Israel - Some Settlements Bar Russian Families Over Fear Residents Not Classified as Jewish by Halakhic Law |
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The West Bank settlement of Nokdim Israel - The Nokdim secretariat ruled two weeks ago to bar non-Jewish Russian-Israelis from buying homes in the small Bethlehem-area settlement where Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman makes his home. The decision came after a frenzied debate between residents over whether the entry of individuals not considered Jewish by religious law would lead to “assimilation” or improper behavior on the part of veteran residents and their children.
The current fracas was sparked after a number of families of Russian origin applied to be accepted in the community. In each of the families, at least one member is not Jewish according to halakha, or religious law. Nokdim is a mixed community of religious and secular Israelis, both native and Russian-speaking, in the Gush Etzion settlement bloc southeast of Jerusalem.
After several residents expressed opposition to admitting the families, the settlement’s absorption committee decided to bring up the issue at a secretariat meeting. Two weeks ago the panel decided the families’ applications would be rejected.
Nokdim’s secretary, Yossi Heiman, told Haaretz: “If there were an easy solution to this issue, we wouldn’t have to hold hearings on it. There are many considerations both ways; there are also strong arguments in favor of accepting these families. But, ultimately, the majority decided they were opposed to such a high number of these families coming in and changing the community’s demographics.
“The biggest problem is that if you accept 10 families in which the mother isn’t Jewish, then soon there will be 30 children, and tomorrow your son could fall in love with the good-looking girl next door. It’s a real problem,” Heiman said.
“It’s difficult enough with the dozens of terrorists who enter each morning,” added Nokdim resident Amit Gruen, in apparent reference to Palestinians employed in home construction in the settlement.
“We have to separate ourselves from the gentiles in commerce and everything else - particularly when it comes to living with them. It could lead to assimilation or idol worship; it opens the door to all kinds of trouble. They might lead us into committing offenses that Jews normally don’t do, like idolatry and incest and all kinds of other perversions. That’s why we have no place for them here,” he said.
“In principle, the fact that they serve in the army is a problem. They must not serve in the army - the fact that the state brought them over doesn’t mean a thing. Just as it brought them over, it can send them back to their own countries,” Gruen said.
Gil Gan-Mor, an attorney heading the branch on housing rights at the Association for Civil Rights in Israel, said any decision not to accept a family as residents in a community on the basis of race, religion or sex is illegal discrimination.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 07:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
good. wish more neighborhoods/communites would set similar rules. and I am writing this not as a chassidish meah shearim dweller, but as a ramat gan resident. it is a real problem.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
How long more you think will jews leave in isreal? Hashem send "mesich" shanel
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Jul 11, 2010 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Watch out! Soon will the idiotic judge (with the Kippah) put you in jail for discrimination....
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Jul 11, 2010 at 08:47 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Watch out! Soon will the idiotic judge (with the Kippah) put you in jail for discrimination.... ”
I hope so
if you think that is ok I am sure you have no problem if secular ban cheridiem since they do not want to change the demographics.
And if here in the usa a community says no Jews you would be fine.
very scary
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Jul 11, 2010 at 08:56 PM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
Jews normally don’t do, like idolatry and incest and all kinds of other perversions. That’s why we have no place for them here,” he said.
very funny seems you are doing these type of things just fine without the goyim how many recent cases of child abuse, molestations, and incest have been in the news recently.
"it can send them back to their own countries,” Gruen said. "
I guess this moron is not a student of history if he would he would know many Jews got killed because of such attitudes
do not want to be infected by their behavior and morals,
again where have I heard that before? I wonder
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Jul 11, 2010 at 09:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Sounds like Jews are repeating Hitler's dream of a pure race but only for themselves. God forbid Russia proposes similar rules to keep Jews out of their neighborhoods using the same argument, the internet will explode with accusation of antisemitism. But when Jews use ugly racism against non Jews, it is acceptable because they think God is on their side.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 09:36 PM Aliyah dude Says:Report as Inappropriate
Finally after all the depressing news we've had lately this is a breath of fresh air. Chazak guys!
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Jul 11, 2010 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Watch out! Soon will the idiotic judge (with the Kippah) put you in jail for discrimination.... ”
Hopefully, this judge will jail all of those whose bigoted and discriminatory behavior is a real chilul hashem. EY is not a remote planet or a ghetto with a wall surrounding it. People have to learn to live with respect for others with a different derech and differnent midos. You don't have to copy them, just let them live.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Stupid decision. They prefer palestinian labour force instead of russians.
Very dangerous development which brings more terrorists.
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Jul 11, 2010 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Finally after all the depressing news we've had lately this is a breath of fresh air. Chazak guys! ”
You find such narrow minded and discriminatory behavior a 'breath of fresh air". Hopefully, others do not breathe the poisonous air that must be making you say such nareshkeit. Your comment is the only really depressing news I've heard lately.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 12:34 AM Lemon Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You find such narrow minded and discriminatory behavior a 'breath of fresh air". Hopefully, others do not breathe the poisonous air that must be making you say such nareshkeit. Your comment is the only really depressing news I've heard lately. ”
Do you live in Israel? Have you seen how some of these Soviet Goyim live? I live in Haifa and let me tell you pal, those Soviet scum have a hate for Jews that's rivaled by the nazis. Heck a lot of them ARE nazis. I'm sick of swastikas and "death to jews" being sprayed all over by these animals. I'm sick of having to fear for mine and my families life every time we step out of our house because we are Jews. Sick of the stabbings and the drunken mobs. You'd think in our land we'd be safe from all this cr*p, but no. Enough is enough!
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You find such narrow minded and discriminatory behavior a 'breath of fresh air". Hopefully, others do not breathe the poisonous air that must be making you say such nareshkeit. Your comment is the only really depressing news I've heard lately. ”
did you make aliya? just asking, because maybe you have no merit for an opinion if you are not in the shoes of the settlers who work HARD to build our beautiful towns, and many times these non-Jewish immigrants come and obscure the goal of the community.....
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:06 AM Dovid from Modiin Says:Report as Inappropriate
Kol HaKavod to Nokdim!!! It seems that everyone who is against the Yesuv's policy has no idea or has never experience living in a small isolated Yeshuv community. It is nothing like Williamsburg, Boro Park Flatbush, or Monsey were you can ignore your neighbors may be say hello and live a normal life.
#9 The Palestinians works don't live their or not integrated into the community. In a perfect world we would only hire Jewish construction workers.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 07:16 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Sounds like Jews are repeating Hitler's dream of a pure race but only for themselves. God forbid Russia proposes similar rules to keep Jews out of their neighborhoods using the same argument, the internet will explode with accusation of antisemitism. But when Jews use ugly racism against non Jews, it is acceptable because they think God is on their side. ”
You aren't Jewish, so why does it matter to you what goes on in Nokdim? Go back to AlJazeerah.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 02:11 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This makes good sense. There is a good reason for a board/secretariat.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Kol HaKavod to Nokdim!!! It seems that everyone who is against the Yesuv's policy has no idea or has never experience living in a small isolated Yeshuv community. It is nothing like Williamsburg, Boro Park Flatbush, or Monsey were you can ignore your neighbors may be say hello and live a normal life.
#9 The Palestinians works don't live their or not integrated into the community. In a perfect world we would only hire Jewish construction workers. ”
In a perfect world did you live in Jerusalem??
Only arabs works in hotels and on aconstruction sides. They buld fancy, expensive houses and drive construction machine into traffic to kill jews.most hotels management are arabs who hire arabs.
you hate russian goims but did you here of any of them killing Israelis???
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Jul 12, 2010 at 07:51 AM Milhouse Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You find such narrow minded and discriminatory behavior a 'breath of fresh air". Hopefully, others do not breathe the poisonous air that must be making you say such nareshkeit. Your comment is the only really depressing news I've heard lately. ”
What exactly is the point of having a Jewish settlement if you then settle goyim there?
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Jul 12, 2010 at 09:50 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What exactly is the point of having a Jewish settlement if you then settle goyim there? ”
then Germany just wanted to have an Aryan country what is the point in you have Jews there
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Jul 12, 2010 at 09:54 AM formally Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ You aren't Jewish, so why does it matter to you what goes on in Nokdim? Go back to AlJazeerah. ”
he is Jewish and know the consequences of racism and bigotry.
Knows it is a dangerous path.
you must not be Jewish since you have not learned what can happen when people look at you as the other.
I guess many on this board not no problems if areas say "NO JEWS PERMITTED"
the people there just do not want to associate with your kind
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:11 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
"at least one member is not Jewish according to halakha, or religious law."
I have a news bulletin for the idiots at the yellowest muckracking rag in Israel, am(haaretz). Hashem decides who is a Jew, not you frei Tzionis, yimach shimechem.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ then Germany just wanted to have an Aryan country what is the point in you have Jews there ”
There's a difference, bonehead. Jews were inconveniently living in Germany for two thousand years before people decided they didn't want us. Israel is supposed to be a Jewish state. It's not, and people like you explain why it's not.
With friends like you leftist humanist apologists, who needs enemas?
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Jul 12, 2010 at 02:14 PM DACON9 ( David ) Says:Report as Inappropriate
WHATS A SETTLEMENT?
I thought all jews are citizens of one NATION
I thought if i make aliyah I will become a CITIZEN and now i may become a settler
I thought if i make aliyah i can rest assured that no one will come to my door telling me i must leave to make room for arabs..
I though KIND DAVID,Daveed Hamelech settle all of this once and for all times...
then comes sharon and barak and livni and bibi and I dont know who else that didnt read that part of the story...They are still reading the koran and obamas memoirs instead of TORAH
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Jul 12, 2010 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ he is Jewish and know the consequences of racism and bigotry.
Knows it is a dangerous path.
you must not be Jewish since you have not learned what can happen when people look at you as the other.
I guess many on this board not no problems if areas say "NO JEWS PERMITTED"
the people there just do not want to associate with your kind ”
Typical of the hyperventilating left who care more for pc thought than Torah.
It isn't racism, these people could become Jews if they wished. Nokdim is a community with an acceptance committee and they have the right to decide who moves in.That's part of the 'deal' when it comes to yishuvim and kibbutzim. They built that community and they shouldn't be forced to accept non Jews if they so choose.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 02:41 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ then Germany just wanted to have an Aryan country what is the point in you have Jews there ”
You're an idiot. Nokdim isn't rounding up non-Jews. Any credibility you may have had or any assumption there may have been that you're intelligent just disintegrated with that example.
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Jul 12, 2010 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "at least one member is not Jewish according to halakha, or religious law."
I have a news bulletin for the idiots at the yellowest muckracking rag in Israel, am(haaretz). Hashem decides who is a Jew, not you frei Tzionis, yimach shimechem. ”
"not you frei Tzionis, yimach shimechem"
YOU do not represent Yiddishkeit on ANY level.