“ How do they know that the murderer didn't put the gun there to deceive the investegation after the murderes fled?! ”

“ How do they know that the murderer didn't put the gun there to deceive the investegation after the murderes fled?! ”

“ How do they know that the murderer didn't put the gun there to deceive the investegation after the murderes fled?! ”

“ OMG!!!

Suicide/Homocide at chasidim!! bad bad bad. ”

“ OMG!!!

Suicide/Homocide at chasidim!! bad bad bad. ”

“ OMG!!!

Suicide/Homocide at chasidim!! bad bad bad. ”

“ How do they know that the murderer didn't put the gun there to deceive the investegation after the murderes fled?! ”

“ Who said "Chasidim"? The article says observant, and you conclude chasidim. ”

“ OMG!!!

Suicide/Homocide at chasidim!! bad bad bad. ”

“ Dear Bubby,
Outside of the Torah world, there are actually very scientific, technical and brilliant Jews serving humanity in a variety of professions, including forensic analysis. I am sure that Israeli crime scene analysts know very well how to do their job and if there was a third person possibility, that would be investigated. Leave it up to the experts. ”

“ please remove chareidi from the title. ”

“ WHAT? Gay partners are called observant?
Bad news anyway... Scary... BDE ”

“ Until there is verification (ie. photos) of these men, there is no reason to assume they are Chareidi. VIN should change the title unless it has been 100% confirmed. ”

“ Oh My God! What have we come to?? Murder! Gay! What else? ”

“ Oh My God! What have we come to?? Murder! Gay! What else? ”

“ Who said "Chasidim"? The article says observant, and you conclude chasidim. ”

“ I hear the mother of one of the victims fainted when she found out!! That's bad :( ”

“ You make the most sense of all. Lets hope it is your thought process. May the neshomas have alyiahs ”

“ Who said "Chasidim"? The article says observant, and you conclude chasidim. ”

“ You are nothing less then brilliant I would not be surprised if the FBI would recruit you based on this comment alone!! ”

“ I saw their pics. They ARE chasidim ”

“ Only Chareidim and chasidim are observant. ”

“ Yes, people, of course there are charedim who are gay. And there are gay people who are charedim. One of the most famous charedim of the old Yishuv was gay. Like anyone with a yetzer horo, some manage to control it all the time and some don't. Some form relationships, which while far from ideal may help them keep from straying in other directions; not only can they be mechazek each other in mitzvos in general, they can also minimize the issurim that they do together.

There are also charedim who do other averos, in response to their respective yetzarim ro'im. There are charedim who have affairs, charedim who steal, charedim who occasionally sneak in some treif when nobody but Hashem is looking, etc. Charedim are humans like anyone else; what distinguishes them is their commitment to doing the right thing, whether they succeed or fail.

None of which proves that these two people were either gay or frum, let alone both. All we know is that one of them was from a charedi family; that doesn't tell us anything about where he stood. And about the other one we know even less. This is all speculation piled upon speculation, and nothing anyone says is more than a wild guess. ”

“ Aberman is from Alexander yeshiva! ”

“ dear anonymous,
outside of your angry and self-hating personality there are people in "the torah world" who are also professionals and they too serve humanity. dont vent your anger on the yeshiva world which you were brought up in and failed to succeed to become anything by using these comments. see a psychiatrist or start learning. ”

“ I saw their pics. They ARE chasidim ”

“ Eda chradit are chassidim.... ”

“ Eda chradit are chassidim.... ”

“ Eda chradit are chassidim.... ”

“ Come on, this "gay" thing is total speculation. They can't possibly know that within a few minutes of the deaths. It is completely irresponsible to report based on total speculation.

the second thing is, as has been pointed out, if they both had MULTIPLE gun shot wounds, how could it be murder-suicide? ”

“ How could they both end up with *multiple* gun shot wounds? ”

“ I saw their pics. They ARE chasidim ”

“ How can you know that he killed himself after he killed his friend? Who told the story when non of them is alive? Could be the gun belongs to a 3rd party?? ”

“ Yes there cold have been non fatal shots prior to the final blow . ”

“ I don't know if it's the news teem or the cops, but someone is messing up this story! 1 who would call for a traffic accident when it was a murder (besides a freaked out murderer)? How can someone think a shooting is a traffic accident? 2- How can both of them have multiple gunshot wounds and it be a murder suicide? How many times can a guy shoot himself? 3 Religeous and gay? I don't know if each question is a question by itself, but when they are together it needs explanation! ”

“ Yes, people, of course there are charedim who are gay. And there are gay people who are charedim. One of the most famous charedim of the old Yishuv was gay. Like anyone with a yetzer horo, some manage to control it all the time and some don't. Some form relationships, which while far from ideal may help them keep from straying in other directions; not only can they be mechazek each other in mitzvos in general, they can also minimize the issurim that they do together.

There are also charedim who do other averos, in response to their respective yetzarim ro'im. There are charedim who have affairs, charedim who steal, charedim who occasionally sneak in some treif when nobody but Hashem is looking, etc. Charedim are humans like anyone else; what distinguishes them is their commitment to doing the right thing, whether they succeed or fail.

None of which proves that these two people were either gay or frum, let alone both. All we know is that one of them was from a charedi family; that doesn't tell us anything about where he stood. And about the other one we know even less. This is all speculation piled upon speculation, and nothing anyone says is more than a wild guess. ”

“ you people are something else...awhile back you all cried because a Jewish murderer of a girl(ranger?)was given death.Oh how you cried for the murderer and now so sadly these two ended up in such a horrible situation.Yet you are more concerned about their orientation and level of frumkeit...THIS IS WHY MOSHIACH hasn't come.No one seems to mourn the two lives regardless of the details.It's horrible. ”

“ Who said "Chasidim"? The article says observant, and you conclude chasidim. ”

“ they can tell if it was suicide by analogizing the gunshot wound it is called forensic science (i know some do not hold science as being accurate)

Gay not gay who cares two people probably made a suicide pact for whatever reason, and that is sad.

(maybe the newspaper had a tip from the gay community that knew them if true)


t being gay is not against the Torah, it is the act that is assur.
and if they were gay does that make it ok, and maybe they where attracted to each other but never did anything and the pain was to much.

for the commentators gay frum but frum ganov child molestor money lunderer you understand.

PS many of the child molesters being caught are with boys who where 16-17-15
THAT MAKES THEM GAY ”

“ Yes, people, of course there are charedim who are gay. And there are gay people who are charedim. One of the most famous charedim of the old Yishuv was gay. Like anyone with a yetzer horo, some manage to control it all the time and some don't. Some form relationships, which while far from ideal may help them keep from straying in other directions; not only can they be mechazek each other in mitzvos in general, they can also minimize the issurim that they do together.

There are also charedim who do other averos, in response to their respective yetzarim ro'im. There are charedim who have affairs, charedim who steal, charedim who occasionally sneak in some treif when nobody but Hashem is looking, etc. Charedim are humans like anyone else; what distinguishes them is their commitment to doing the right thing, whether they succeed or fail.

None of which proves that these two people were either gay or frum, let alone both. All we know is that one of them was from a charedi family; that doesn't tell us anything about where he stood. And about the other one we know even less. This is all speculation piled upon speculation, and nothing anyone says is more than a wild guess. ”

“ Yes, people, of course there are charedim who are gay. And there are gay people who are charedim. One of the most famous charedim of the old Yishuv was gay. Like anyone with a yetzer horo, some manage to control it all the time and some don't. Some form relationships, which while far from ideal may help them keep from straying in other directions; not only can they be mechazek each other in mitzvos in general, they can also minimize the issurim that they do together.

There are also charedim who do other averos, in response to their respective yetzarim ro'im. There are charedim who have affairs, charedim who steal, charedim who occasionally sneak in some treif when nobody but Hashem is looking, etc. Charedim are humans like anyone else; what distinguishes them is their commitment to doing the right thing, whether they succeed or fail.

None of which proves that these two people were either gay or frum, let alone both. All we know is that one of them was from a charedi family; that doesn't tell us anything about where he stood. And about the other one we know even less. This is all speculation piled upon speculation, and nothing anyone says is more than a wild guess. ”

“ I don't know if it's the news teem or the cops, but someone is messing up this story! 1 who would call for a traffic accident when it was a murder (besides a freaked out murderer)? How can someone think a shooting is a traffic accident? 2- How can both of them have multiple gunshot wounds and it be a murder suicide? How many times can a guy shoot himself? 3 Religeous and gay? I don't know if each question is a question by itself, but when they are together it needs explanation! ”

“ I hear the mother of one of the victims fainted when she found out!! That's bad :( ”

“ I am sorry but to all the commentators who cry that pple are worried about these people being shomer Torah- YES it does make a difference because if they had left the "path" the sad part is when they left the path! It's true that its sad no matter if they were Shomer Torah or not, but you can't compare the death of a private to the death of a general! I am if the truth hurts! ”

“ "Observant Jews ... gay partners"
hmmm.
Truth is often sadder than fiction. ”

“ If they wore the chareidi levish and had a beard and payos then they were chareidi, regardless of how they behaved and what their beliefs were, when a Journalist sees a person like that he/she sees a Chareidi. ”

“ there are live witnesses! ”

“ Wow, Millehouse, this sentence really got to me: "Some form relationships, which while far from ideal may help them keep from straying in other directions." Are you saying that while it is "far from ideal" to be a faggot, things could be worse - like wearing a kipa sruga, chas v'chalilah. Are you saying it is better to be a faggot than to miss a shiyur in the kolel? You are truly defining a new form of liberalism. ”

“ Multiple wounds - maybe he could not aim. ”

“ I saw their pics. They ARE chasidim ”

“ Hey, read the heading of this article. It does not say anywhere that they where Chasidim. ”

“ multiple wounds can be a sign a a struggle ”