“ Please stop using the word anti semitism, you can say they're wrong, bad vicious whatever to support your side. Using this word just doesn't do anything good to anyone. ”

“ What Israeli families? I live near this place. They are American Kollel families. ”

“ The housing is a scam to avoid paying taxes. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with following the law. If the people living the cjas v'sholom get sick because the environmental study wasn't done properly would you call Rabbi Zachs an antisemite for endangering yidden? ”

“ These people are not capable of living in peace with their neighbors according to the rules of law. Everything has to be SHTICK. ”

“ Please stop using the word anti semitism, you can say they're wrong, bad vicious whatever to support your side. Using this word just doesn't do anything good to anyone. ”

“ If you knew the whole story you would see that this is not antisemitism. This property acquisition over 10 years ago started in an underhanded fashion and every move that was made was not done without a legal fight or threat. It is not in any village because they built illegally when they purchased it and the village tried to stop them and they sued. They were cut out of the village so that the village would not be bankrupted trying to enforce their laws. They then built non conforming buildings completely out of character with the area. I would only hope that they are forced to raze the area to set an example that you cannot do as you please and the hell with your neighbors L'maan yishmiu v'yirau. Let it be a lesson to all people who buy property with the intention of building or using the property in an illegal fashion because it is cheaper than doing it right. This has been a huge chillul Hashem from day one.The shtick that has been pulled with this property is embarrassing to every frum yid that lives in the area and harms those who want to do things right but will have to deal with an ever growing bureaucracy that makes things increasingly difficult to do. ”

“ o yes it does!!! all that the people who are saying all these comments just don't want a place thats filled with kidusha and with such gidolim b'torah--SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!! ”

“ To be a Gadol you need to follow the laws of the land you live in and have sensitivity to your neighbors. This property violates both. No Gadol would ever dream of living in a home that was established in an underhanded fashion. The chillul Hashem that was created when building this project will chase away any kedusha that you think could exist here. Shame on the owners of this property. They have been an embarrassment to this town. The Chofetz Chaim is rolling in his grave. ”

“ As a long-term New Hempstead resident "in the know" about what is going on, keep in mind that his housing project is based on a lie and a fraud. The developer claimed he had a community of Torah scholars who would move in, hence the "adult student housing" claim. IN fact, there is no community of scholars. This is a building project, pure and simple. The developer put ads in Jewish newspapers looking for tenants. It is designed to make MONEY for the developer. Furthermore, the dense housing does not belong on Grandview Avenue, next to New Hempstead. The entire area all around is single family, quiet neighborhoods. The project is a monstrosity that does not belong and does fit in and no one in the area wants it, with good reason. It is offensive to use Torah as an excuse to do dirty business. ”

“ The Property was purchased by a Yeshiva from the US army. The village of New Hempstead tried to stop that Yeshiva from moving in using illegal tactics and got caught in front of a Federal judge. As part of the settlement (besides paying for all the legal fees) the court agreed that the property was not part of New Hempsted but part of Ramapo.
They built a project under all required Ramapo laws and received a building permit without any "SHTICK". Several surrounding villages who are afraid of the growth of the Yeshiva community went to court with the Town that the law allowing the project was faulty. the Court found the law is valid but the Yeshiva requires a further review due to possible traffic issue.
Additionally Only the VILLAGE OF WESLEY HILLS was found to have any standing to sue the Yeshiva. So we have a properly built Yeshiva that is being chased by the Village of Wesley hills and now must pay 75000 within 30 days.
NU so whats the big news? ”

“ You're wrong. Anti-semitisim is here and its in place. B"h most of Monsey area is Jewish today, I remember Monsey 25 years ago. Anti-samitisim was an understatement. We're slowly getting rid of these freiye yiden who use to teil ois tzures for all shuls & developments. We still got some of them there. ”

“ In the Know?
Where were you at the public hearing where no neighbors opposed the project.
The families living there are all members of the Yeshiva Chofetz Chaim Kollel.
The purported advertisement for kollel men back in 2005 said clearly they were looking for Kollel students only!
As a neighbor i am sick of the lies and twisted comments. The boys living there with their families are real nice. The site looks great. And dont forget it is surrounded on three sides by a old public school campus and the East Ramapo central Kitchens.

By the way you cant make any money off Kollel families, they cost more than they can pay by far! ”

“ Oiber Chachom sounds like he has a problem with the growth of Torah.
Are you a Posek on Chillul Hashem? A project that was built to house Kollel families done properly following all the local zoning laws of the Township is not a Chillul Hashem. Attacking the yeshiva and using the name of the Chofetz Chaim to boot is disingenuous and a transparent attempt to be Mivazeh the entire Mosad Hatorah. ”

“ The biggest joke of this entire story is that if C'V a fire broke out and the town couldn't respond in time because zoning laws were broken, and someone died, these same frummocks would be crying antisemitism over the town abandoning them.

These apartments are illegal. The judge allowed them to live there for over a year. That was a chesed on his part, he didn't have to do that.

Newsflash: It ain't antisemitism if a yid gets shot in the back as he's leaving the bank he just robbed at gunpoint.

The villages have every right to demand that Ramapo follow the law. The streets and the infrastructure are overburdened, and Monsey is looking more and more like Lodz every day. We all know whose ainikel is involved here and he's a crook shebecrook. Let him pay to relocate whatever idiots moved in there to begin with. ”

“ there are some mainly because of the acts of knuckleheads like this developer and many other yeshivas recently in the news and of course laundering ,money. In addition the response from the frummies about the criminal they did nothing wrong blah blah blah never ever owning up to the crime. and of course the public out cry that their members should not face justice of prison time as opposed to every other USA citizen

seems the people who always are screaming antisemitism are involved in doing something wrong illegal or schtick.

There are zoning laws and rules, whenever their development that is different than was was there need to do studies. A yeshiva is no different. ”

“ I have lived in Rockland for 38 years in the same house. I now have 2 illegal Yeshivas with busses and noisy kids on my street. The Yeshivas are in 4 bedroom homes with 3 baths. I have counted between 40-60 kids there daily. If there is a fire, none of these kids would be able to get out. Why can't Yeshivas be built legally and have permits? We are older Yidden who like to take a cap nap daily, but when the kids are outside, it's like a circus. ”

“ They renovated the barracks without a permit during the purchase prior to conveying the deed to the village claiming it was federal property and it is not subject to the village laws. They changed the usage of the property illegally. They were never single family houses and were converted illegally. It was non conforming usage based on the number of buildings to the size of the lot. The village has an obligation to its residents to uphold their zoning laws. The village knew that fighting it win or lose would bankrupt them and were more than happy to avoid this by having them secede from the village. The property is smack dab in the middle of New Hempstead. They then knocked down the former barracks and built a multifamily housing complex. The permit was issued by claiming RLUIPA exeption. A judge found that the permit to build was not properly granted which brings them to the mess they are presently in. Nothing was ever done properly with this property. I stand by my prior post #17. All illegal tactics were on the part of the property owners. ”

“ I have lived in Rockland for 38 years in the same house. I now have 2 illegal Yeshivas with busses and noisy kids on my street. The Yeshivas are in 4 bedroom homes with 3 baths. I have counted between 40-60 kids there daily. If there is a fire, none of these kids would be able to get out. Why can't Yeshivas be built legally and have permits? We are older Yidden who like to take a cap nap daily, but when the kids are outside, it's like a circus. ”

“ there are some mainly because of the acts of knuckleheads like this developer and many other yeshivas recently in the news and of course laundering ,money. In addition the response from the frummies about the criminal they did nothing wrong blah blah blah never ever owning up to the crime. and of course the public out cry that their members should not face justice of prison time as opposed to every other USA citizen

seems the people who always are screaming antisemitism are involved in doing something wrong illegal or schtick.

There are zoning laws and rules, whenever their development that is different than was was there need to do studies. A yeshiva is no different. ”

“ Not opposed to the growth of torah in the least. I live here. It was and still is a chillul Hashem. You don't need someone to pasken that something is a chillul Hashem. When people say "the Rabbi feels that he is above the law" it constitutes a bizayon Hatorah which is certainly a chillul Hashem. The owner who is a descendant of the Chofetz Chaim is mevazeh the Torah with this project. You cannot run roughshod over your neighbors in the name of Torah growth. The end does not justify the means. ”

“ Oiber Chachom sounds like he has a problem with the growth of Torah.
Are you a Posek on Chillul Hashem? A project that was built to house Kollel families done properly following all the local zoning laws of the Township is not a Chillul Hashem. Attacking the yeshiva and using the name of the Chofetz Chaim to boot is disingenuous and a transparent attempt to be Mivazeh the entire Mosad Hatorah. ”

“ WRONG ! they were always single family houses as part of the army, then they were uses as single family homes for the homeless, then it was purchased by a Yeshiva and used once again for single family homes.
No change was made illegally back in 97-98 and everything was done according
the law since. Yes " They Knocked down the former barracks" but only after getting a demolition permit. Once again that how it is supposed to be done.
Wrong! the permit was based on the Town of Ramapo Adult Student Housing law, that was found to be legal by the court.

Wrong! nevertheless RLUIPA is the law of the land and using the law to build is legal in my book.
Yes it is a religious campus for educational religious student use, and it looks great too! ”

“ WRONG ! they were always single family houses as part of the army, then they were uses as single family homes for the homeless, then it was purchased by a Yeshiva and used once again for single family homes.
No change was made illegally back in 97-98 and everything was done according
the law since. Yes " They Knocked down the former barracks" but only after getting a demolition permit. Once again that how it is supposed to be done.
Wrong! the permit was based on the Town of Ramapo Adult Student Housing law, that was found to be legal by the court.

Wrong! nevertheless RLUIPA is the law of the land and using the law to build is legal in my book.
Yes it is a religious campus for educational religious student use, and it looks great too! ”

“ Wrong! They were army barracks. There were no single families living there when the army owned it. No kitchens. Looked like camp bunkhouses. They converted them to homes by building kitchens and making rooms. RLUIPA is very specific and building a apartment complex for rent is not covered under that law. Everyone knows that "adult student housing" is a scam to avoid zoning laws and property taxes. How long have you lived in the area? That is if you live here. I have lived in a 5 mile radius of this barracks for close to 40 years and have lived about 1 mile away for the last 15 years. I am VERY familiar with this property. ”

“ What Israeli families? I live near this place. They are American Kollel families. ”

“ The housing is a scam to avoid paying taxes. This has nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with following the law. If the people living the cjas v'sholom get sick because the environmental study wasn't done properly would you call Rabbi Zachs an antisemite for endangering yidden? ”

“ there are some mainly because of the acts of knuckleheads like this developer and many other yeshivas recently in the news and of course laundering ,money. In addition the response from the frummies about the criminal they did nothing wrong blah blah blah never ever owning up to the crime. and of course the public out cry that their members should not face justice of prison time as opposed to every other USA citizen

seems the people who always are screaming antisemitism are involved in doing something wrong illegal or schtick.

There are zoning laws and rules, whenever their development that is different than was was there need to do studies. A yeshiva is no different. ”

“ it is because every tom dick and harry wants to open a yeshiva and many just do not have the support/money they need to build a yeshiva correctly.

therefore many of these issues is not about Torah growth just power and someone wants to run a yeshiva ”

“ And so far this Yeshiva has won in court numerous times. Many people in the neighborhood are furious with the town. Every time they sue they end up losing because the law is not on the side f the town rather it is on the side of the Yeshiva. The town has had to pay lawyers fees and damages and you know where that comes from? The real estate taxes. They are willing to waste everyone's money just to give the Yeshiva a hard time when they have lost so often. Do you not think that is an indication of discrimination? ”

“ It's amazing - I wouldn't think you're even Jewish the way you talk!! You know nothing about this so maybe keep your filthy lashon hara comments to yourself! I know this situation personally - and they did nothing wrong - except if you call trying to give Kollel famillies an affordable place to live something wrong. Yes it is antisemitism - the villages just don't want the Jews to build more housing. If the goyim build they have no problem with that! There is nothing "illegal or shtick" about this whole situation! Learn your facts before you start spewing hatred on your fellow Jews! ”

“ if they did not follow the rule of law and the courts, they need to be evicted. Rabbi Akiva, Rambam, Rashi - read them on rules of secular law.
also, "Israeli families?" what are they doing here? or do they all speak English as third language and so reporter assumed that they are not American? ”

“ It's amazing - I wouldn't think you're even Jewish the way you talk!! You know nothing about this so maybe keep your filthy lashon hara comments to yourself! I know this situation personally - and they did nothing wrong - except if you call trying to give Kollel famillies an affordable place to live something wrong. Yes it is antisemitism - the villages just don't want the Jews to build more housing. If the goyim build they have no problem with that! There is nothing "illegal or shtick" about this whole situation! Learn your facts before you start spewing hatred on your fellow Jews! ”

“ this whole thing is just a way to be mevaze this esteemed Mosad HaTorah and its Choshive Roshei Yeshiva. Shame on you post #22 Just remember for motzei shame ra there is NO mechila [Rambam:hilchas teshuva] ”

“ if they did not follow the rule of law and the courts, they need to be evicted. Rabbi Akiva, Rambam, Rashi - read them on rules of secular law.
also, "Israeli families?" what are they doing here? or do they all speak English as third language and so reporter assumed that they are not American? ”

“ first why attack me, i just made a general statement and there are numerous other statements saying that they know this was done illegally.

The reason why you attack is because a hit a nerve. Do a search and see how many yeshivas are in trouble with their neighbors. One thing they all had in common was not following zoning rules

"If the goyim build they have no problem with that!"

Please inform the board some projects goyim did in this are and they had no problem. Since you are in the know. If you can't you statement is useless since you really are just guessing.

One or two would be enough, street address and the year the project was completed ”

“ The Developers moved the couples in against the judges orders, the judge was compassionate enough to give a 10 month grace.
I can't understand why Klugman/Bodners Kollel are renting these houses and joining in this chilul hashem. ”

“ it is because every tom dick and harry wants to open a yeshiva and many just do not have the support/money they need to build a yeshiva correctly.

therefore many of these issues is not about Torah growth just power and someone wants to run a yeshiva ”