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New York - The state has finally passed an alternative no-fault divorce law.
Like most states, New York requires grounds (reasons) for divorce and resolution of financial matters and minor children-related issues. Under existing no-fault law, a separation agreement and one-year waiting period constitute the “grounds,” with the other issues resolved within that agreement.
If either spouse does not want a divorce, or if they cannot agree on the other issues, they can sue in New York State Supreme Court.
Currently, once a spouse requests judicial intervention from the court, the game changes and “fault” must be established. New York is notorious for its rigid grounds for divorce, and difficulty of proof. It was not unusual for couples to live apart for years, unable to reach an agreement, only to be denied a divorce in court, or obtain a divorce, but with unexpected financial rulings. Most often this happened when one party had a monetary advantage and knew his or her spouse would have a tough time getting a divorce.
Under the new no-fault law, anyone who wishes a divorce, but has an uncooperative spouse, can apply to the court, and be granted a no-fault divorce without grounds other than the marriage has irretrievably been broken down for at least six months. This part seems reasonable, as it eliminates the “hostage” situation so many married New Yorkers have, or might have, experienced. However, as I understand it, the new no-fault law requires that the court (meaning the judge) decides all the financial, property and custody issues.
As a financial educator and former divorce consultant, I see a huge glitch in this new legislation. In each case, the presiding Supreme Court justice will unilaterally make life-altering permanent decisions. This is the same procedure under our current law. I have seen dozens of judges’ rulings that clients have shown me that I view as patently unfair or mind-numbingly arbitrary, or simply based on an apparent lack of understanding of money and finance. Similar cases often receive wildly dissimilar rulings, depending on the judge.
Judges are trained in law, but usually not in financial planning. To them, it may be “case closed,” but the futures of litigants and their children are forever impacted, sometimes irretrievably. Judges are also humans, and susceptible to bias when there is little restraint or transparency. As I understand the new law, at least future income of both parties will now be taken into consideration.
It is my fervent hope that our state Legislature will do the following: Limit the power of judges regarding division of property by establishing fairer guidelines, or replace our “Equitable Distribution” system with Community Property law. Let both parties submit proposals by professional financial advisers that judges must be required to consider, and allow litigants to return to court within a reasonable length of time should it be found that “inconsistent” financial information was submitted, without having to go through the costly, and usually unsuccessful, appeals process.
Otherwise, you may now be able to get a divorce in New York when before you couldn’t but also not expect a better financial outcome than under our current system.
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Jul 14, 2010 at 08:00 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This news could help me a allot
[my x-wife needs a doctor before a GET]
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Jul 14, 2010 at 09:08 PM Meir Says:Report as Inappropriate
of course the writer hates this law - it cuts out the lawyers and all the financial advisors
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Jul 14, 2010 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This news could help me a allot
[my x-wife needs a doctor before a GET] ”
Give a GET! You and many other "frum" men have lots of reasons why you don't give your wives a GET but you're really just abusing the halacha to hold your wife hostage. It is disgusting.
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Jul 14, 2010 at 09:45 PM Kofoui Tov Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This news could help me a allot
[my x-wife needs a doctor before a GET] ”
May g-d punish you severely for being a kofoui tov (ingrate), and for talking negatively about Women. You are the one who is at fault and may you suffer in both worlds for this!
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Jul 14, 2010 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This news could help me a allot
[my x-wife needs a doctor before a GET] ”
How do you know that your X-Wife needs a Doctor before a Divorce? I think vis-virsa That you need a Doctor
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Jul 14, 2010 at 10:50 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
So what else is new that the laws that the clowns in Albany wrote don't make sense?
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Jul 14, 2010 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
# 3 & 4 whoeber u r u r very biased towards # 1. he didn't mention anything about his situation & u have already accused him when u don't know him or his ex & there situation.
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Jul 15, 2010 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ How do you know that your X-Wife needs a Doctor before a Divorce? I think vis-virsa That you need a Doctor ”
You are so wrong to judge people without knowing the full situation. I do not know number 1, but I do know that people are too quick to judge. The men are not always at fault! The woman has as much of a chance to go mentally unstable, be abusive or otherwise be a "bad parent" and a disgusting person as much as the man does.There are many cases where the woman leaves the husband for no reason (admits he did nothing wrong) and keeps the child from seeing his father and lying on . What type of person would allow that to happen? A sick one indeed.
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Jul 15, 2010 at 08:45 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The trouble is that anything that will be kinder to the men will be seen as oppressive to women, and whatever is kinder to women will be seen as unfair to men. Creators of law cannot win.
As matters currently stand, most divorces require agreements on division of marital property, custody/visitation, child support, alimony, etc. These agreements are generally done as part of the get process, but not necessarily by rabbonim or batei din. Either way, signed agreements do not have the option of returning to anyone, neither beis din nor court, for changes related to non-compliance or changed circumstances. The alternative of legislating through the court (often done with heter rabbonim if couple fails at negotiating) is costly, with more ending up in lawyers pockets than is left for either spouse or the children.
I think this law has its merits, and is the product of frustration of the current "fault - grounds" law that makes the process get stuck in the mud almost every time.
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Jul 15, 2010 at 09:21 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Paradoxically, the fact that the economic outcome hinges on judicial wisdom (an oxymoron?) should serve as more of an impetus to the parties to resolve the financial, custody, matters between themselves. The new provisions will hopefully remove the leverage of the spouse who does not want the divorce against the other (this scenario typically plays itself out with a husband (more often than not) who wants out of a dead marriage without having "grounds" under the prior legislation. He was subject to having to buy his way out of the marriage to secure the wife's consent. The new legislation should level the playing field as the final economic outcome is still subject to judicial scrutiny. This is probably bad for trial lawyers (although as an attorney I am much in favor of it) but good for the public since divorce is usually considered "elective surgery". I do not believe that the provisions that apply to gittin (removal of all barriers to remarriage) are affected by the legislation.
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Jul 15, 2010 at 09:25 AM Cuckolded Says:Report as Inappropriate
The author of this article forgot to mention that the 'wealthier' spouse has to pay the legal expenses of the 'poorer' spouse! Even if she ran off with her paramour!
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Jul 15, 2010 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
excuse me . new york was the ONLY state that had fault divorce laws. they are cruel, inhuman and barbaric
im a woman going through a divorce and we are treated like criminals, by the judges.
if i was married three decades and i need to finally get away from this hell im in, a judge should have the right to tell me "you dont have grounds?
who in the world do these judges think they are
i dont care if your frum, not frum, jewish not jewish. divorce is misery;, and instead of letting it be over with, its dragged for YEARS.. teh ONLY PEOPLE WHO PROFIT ARE THE LAWYERS. THEY ARE THE ones fighting the no fault,,like raul felder, etc.
theyre parnassoh is out the window
but we, the victims are allowed to get on with our lives.
its about time this law passed.. what you think that theres eer equitable distribution??what a laugh.
dont ou know how many 'men' , the minute theyre hit with papers, suddenly are 'broke'??? go talk to the women in court. go talk to the judges. everyone knows it
this law isnt making it worse financiall,, its making it better, because in stead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on legal fees, its over!!!
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Jul 15, 2010 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Give a GET! You and many other "frum" men have lots of reasons why you don't give your wives a GET but you're really just abusing the halacha to hold your wife hostage. It is disgusting. ”
how about when the woman doesnt want to accept the GET nobody screams anything, or when the woman doesnt want to fairly split their finances or custody. Stop bashing the men when the problem goes both ways
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Jul 16, 2010 at 12:11 AM Truth Says:Report as Inappropriate
#1 - You sound like me!