Jerusalem – Israel Bank Chief Warns Ultra-Orthodox: Get a Job

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    Photo ilustrationJerusalem – God himself labored for six days before resting on the Sabbath — but at least two-thirds of Israel’s ultra-orthodox Jewish men aren’t working at all, and it’s becoming a major economic problem.

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    The governor of Israel’s central bank warned on Monday that the rising number of ultra-orthodox men who refuse to join the workforce could trigger “social conflict” unless they take a lesson from the Bible and get to work.

    Israel’s robust economy, fueled by a generation of high-tech entrepreneurs, has helped the “Start-Up Nation” weather the global recession ahead of the U.S. and Europe. Also, Israel earlier this year won admission to the OECD, the exclusive club of the world’s top economies. Israel’s expenditure on R&D, at nearly 5 percent of Gross Domestic Product, is the highest in the world and its booming technology sector has brought enviable economic growth and stability at a time of global crisis.

    But the growing ultra-orthodox population, their deepening poverty, noninvolvement in the labor force and private school system that encourages a nonproductive, scholarly lifestyle, could threaten the country’s future economic stability.

    Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer told reporters on Monday that poverty was still a major challenge among Israeli Arabs and ultra-orthodox Jews.

    He said that while poverty is falling among Israeli Arabs, who make up 20 percent of the country’s population, it is increasing among the 10 percent of Israelis who are ultra-orthodox. That’s largely because of an agreement allowing religious students exemption from military service that over half a century has mushroomed into almost an entire community living off the state. In order to claim the exemption, seminary students must remain at their studies until age 28.

    The problem has become a major issue in political power-play between the secular majority parties and the tiny religious parties that hold the balance of power in Israel’s fragile government coalitions. The 700,000 ultra-orthodox among Israel’s population of 7.5 million are Israel’s poorest sector. They have large families, with an average of nearly seven children per couple. Sixty percent of the community lives below the poverty line and the proportion is rising.

    “This is not sustainable,” warned Fischer. “We can’t have an ever-increasing proportion of the population continuing to not go to work. So it’s going to change, somehow or the other. The question is does that change happen in social conflict, in political conflict, or can it be helped to happen consensually and constructively?”

    “Around 70 percent of the men don’t work in the formal labor force. This is an absolute guarantee of being poor, if you don’t work,” Fischer said. “This is not a problem in the United States among the haredi [ultra-orthodox] community — there, they work,” Fischer said. “It is a problem in Israel. The question is why.”

    He said government incentives encouraging haredi students to claim welfare contributed to the problem and required a change in government policy. Last month, Israel’s Supreme Court ruled that giving stipends to needy seminary students while denying them to secular university students is illegal. Religious parties have vowed to change the law.

    Fischer’s views are shared by Dan Ben-David, director of the Taub Center for Social Policy Studies in Israel, who says nonemployment in the ultra-orthodox sector has skyrocketed in recent years. Ben-David says nearly one in five Israeli men between ages 35 and 54 are not part of the labor force — 60 percent higher than the average among nations in the OECD.

    “People say that the haredim don’t work, that it’s a religious or a cultural thing, but that isn’t true,” Ben-David said. “Thirty years ago they did work. Then, the rate of nonemployment was 21 percent. Now it’s 65 percent. It grew threefold.”

    “It is still possible to change direction,” he added. “The government must understand the implications of these trends and adopt a comprehensive program to change them without delay,”

    The OECD highlighted the problem in accepting Israel to its ranks, urging “profound policy changes” and “efforts to encourage the Haredim to strengthen their vocational skills as part of a drive for a more self-sufficient — and less poverty-ridden — balance between religious worship and work.”

    But Moshe Gafni, chairman of the Finance Committee of Israel’s Knesset parliament and a legislator for the ultra-orthodox United Torah Judaism Party, told a government conference on religious sector employment last month that it was Bible study by haredim that had saved Israel from the global economic crisis.

    “The haredim, who 30 years ago were foretold as the market’s ruination, have prospered, and with them Israel, which suffered last from the global recession and was the first to recover. I would say this is a case of divine providence,” Gafni said.

    He said the low work rate among the ultra-orthodox was due to employer discrimination.

    “Not a day goes by that I don’t get a call from a haredi man asking me to help him find a job. What can I do? When a haredi man applies to a high-tech company he is the last one to be hired,” he said. “I can understand the employers, too. After the media paints haredim as flag-burning rioters who have to take maternity leaves all the time, why would they hire them? We are not parasites. We want to work and contribute to the gross national product, but 80 percent of those looking for work can’t find it.”


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    isreali
    isreali
    13 years ago

    What the Isreali government is not aware is that they might not work in isreal but they have full time jobs in the US. Shnoring and not having to report.

    bp
    bp
    13 years ago

    The governor of Israel’s central bank warned on Monday that the rising number of ultra-orthodox men who refuse to join the workforce could trigger “social conflict” unless they take a lesson from the Bible and get to work.

    sichel brosh
    sichel brosh
    13 years ago

    Man your mistaken, you might be a bank chief but far from a scholar
    Man was created right before Shabbos to show that work is after Shabbos not before, so you should be a shomer shabbos before talking about what comes first.

    Torah Truth
    Torah Truth
    13 years ago

    What Gafni is saying is complete and total rubbish! I am “Chareidi” and used to be an executive at Amdocs, one of the largest high tech companies in Israel. I had hundreds of people in my organization and would have loved to higher Frum Chareidi employees. They were not to be found! The people that did want jobs had no formal education and had an attitude that they have a “Torahdika Kup” and could do anything. I don’t doubt their intelligence but their Kup did not provide them with an deep understanding of Telecommunications or Java and C#. I applaud the drive for Benei Torah to enter the business world, but we must provide training to make that happen. A 3 month crash course in computer science won’t cut it in most cases. This is not the case with the “Dati” crowd that flourishes in high tech in Eretz Yisrael. Just as the “Kippa Seruga” crowd is not discriminated against because of their political right leanings, so too the Charedi crowd is not discriminated (in the work force) because of their political leaning… they just need to be educated and there needs to be cultural training that is unfortunately lacking in our community.

    Lekish Bear
    Lekish Bear
    13 years ago

    What apikorsis in the first sentence of this aricle. G-d did not “labor” for even one second to create the universe. Maybe he should go to a Haredi school and become educated.

    arbeiter
    arbeiter
    13 years ago

    ye ye truly right a country cannot exist without labors, imagine yourself 65% of american jewry kvetching the bench in kolel …

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    If they would change the policy about the draft that charidim are exempt like charidi women you’ll see a big difference in the labor force TRY IT

    Torah Truth
    Torah Truth
    13 years ago

    To #5 : Apikorses? I’m afraid we see the product of your Charedi education in your post. The word “labor” means to work. How do you understand the Passuk of VaYechul (Beraishis 2:1), “By the seventh day HaShem completed his work… and He abstained on the seventh day for all His work…?

    Milhouse
    Milhouse
    13 years ago

    If he thinks that haredim simply “refuse to join the workforce” he’s a moron. “This is not a problem in the United States among the haredi community—there, they work…It is a problem in Israel. The question is why.” The answer is obvious: in the USA, once someone’s family is big enough that he needs to leave kollel and support it, he can go straight out and get a job. In Israel he can’t get a job until he’s first gone to the army. He needs the job now, not in a few years. So his incentive to enter the system in the first place is much diminished. It makes more sense to stay in kollel and scrape by.

    If he wants to solve the problem, all Israel needs to do is recognise that Torah is essential to the country’s defense, and therefore allow men to do their army service learning Torah full time, in a military yeshivah, for the benefit of the country. That way when the time comes to leave kollel, after five or six years of learning, they will be able to get a job immediately and they will do so just as they do in the USA.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    In order to claim the exemption, seminary students must remain at their studies until age 28 says it all

    shimonyehuda
    shimonyehuda
    13 years ago

    didnt the satmar rebbi ask his people to be self supporting?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    Gafni’s comment illustrates the problem. Employers want to make money, they could care less what you have on your head. I worked in hi-tech in Israel and the problem with the few Israeli haredi applicants we had was their lack of secular education.In hi-tech even if you are self taught and have certification you need English skills. In America this obvivously isn’t a problem and we had many charedi olim from anglo countries with very shtark backgrounds who nevertheless had basic math and fluent English skills.

    Until the education system changes a litte in Israel there will continue to be plenty of charedim in hi-tech but they will all be olim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    If a person isn’t fit to go into the army, no matter how much they want to, the army doesn’t allow it. In the same way, some (many) of the people who are learning ad infinitum are not fit to be doing so. They will not become the kind of people who can protect us with what they have learned, the same way that some people cannot become the kind of soldiers who can protect us with their strength or military knowledge. The Rebbeim in charge should take responsibility for this-with power does indeed come responsibility and if the Rebbeim are worthy to have power they should do what is right. Most of these full time learners are getting a free ride on the backs of the young Jewish men who are keeping them safe.

    I'm just being honest
    I'm just being honest
    13 years ago

    It’s the fault of the Rebbunim who keep the chraidem isolated and “don’t” let them develop their own unique self esteem and talents…they end up scared to deviate from
    their own circles, and since their own circles don’t offer them any parnassa training except to be a maggid shiuir, so they end up with nothing….

    Boochie
    Boochie
    13 years ago

    We need to start Torah based trade schools like they have in America – I am sure classes would fill up before you turn the lights on if only the Rabbis were on board …

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I’ve been in Israel for about 3 months ago and i see everyone had a job, some ppl full time and some part time, and they working vary hard to bring home
    some ₪

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    are the charidim of isreal the welfare receipents like many here and to those who wish to change them please dont use a four letter word that is forbiden in lakewood-W-O-R-K.

    Yudi
    Yudi
    13 years ago

    Perhaps Stanley Fischer hasn’t heard of the Kemach Foundation – http://www.kemach.org

    They’re training thousands upon thousands of Kollel men to enter the work force. Give them a few years and the demographic in Israel will change drastically.

    And oh, it’s founded and funded by Chareidim too…

    Terrible
    Terrible
    13 years ago

    I’ve worked on outreach and this is a complaint against the ‘frume’ that comes up very often, some people look at us like ‘Shnorers’ feeding off other peoples money.
    What happened to the Yisochor-Zevulun partnership?
    This is a big Chilul Hashem.

    Eat My Shorts
    Eat My Shorts
    13 years ago

    I always thought the reason they don’t work is because they don’t go to the army or something. Has that been resolved?

    Yankl
    Yankl
    13 years ago

    Nobody is saying the obvious. While there are thousands of Talmidei Chachamim who belong in Kollel and are the future gedolim, yeshiva rebbeim and pulpit Rabbis of the future, there are many jews who do not belong there. Get them out and you will see the problem’s acuteness dissipate.
    There is nothing wrong with serving in the army either. All the kosher and tznius facilties do exist by now and the jews who should not be in Kollel past the first year after marriage can serve.
    I live in the US and every Israeli I meet is either a commando or special forces. Well there is need for mechanics and jeep drivers and clerks too. The kollel jews can take these. Once these jews get their basic on-th-job training in the army they will be ready to take on these blue collar jobs in civilan society too.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    While it’s true that more Charedim should be working, the secularists aways leave out what the Charedim do bring to the Israeli economy. That is hundreds of millions of dollars in tourism from around the world in the form of the tens of thousands of charedim from around the world who visit Israel ONLY because of the Charedim. The thousands of Yeshiva and Seminary students who come to Israel with their money too, the thousands of students come on Kiruv trips/Yeshivos, etc.
    Then there are the hundreds of millions put into the economy in the form of tzedakah contributions to Israeli organizations (the top ten ones all charedi) and to families.
    It may not be “right” that they are being supported by Americans, but the fact remains that altogether BILLIONS of dollars flows into their economy all because of the charedim.
    Contrast that to the hundreds of millions that the Israeli government loses in subsidies to the communist money losing kibbutzim.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I think it would be smart for Israeli government to encourage their charedim to move to United States in next 20-30 years. This will lessen the burden on Israeli economy and security. Their wealthy Satmar and Bobov and other brethren will be delighted to support all of these great dedicated talmidim chachomim and their extended families. They will bring Torah enlightenment to North American Torah learning institutions.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    All you guyes take it easy this part of anti chridi wind going on now .evry peacfull protast is called a riot .all the rabbis tel them to vendelise . Don’t want to work ETC. You all know its not thru.but I understend your problem .admit it you are jalos on the values and happenes of what the chridi life style brings .in the usa you say the same on the chridim .but you know fare well

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    The governor of Israel’s central bank is right and correct. its a machleh that charaidim in Israel dont work. Take a lesson from charaidim in the usa who work hard and run successful businesses. No kidding companies dont want to hire charadim, who would??? charaidim demonstrate all day call the police nazis and all other carzy things. it is important that charaidim become part of the work force and into human society.

    M.E. Analyst
    M.E. Analyst
    13 years ago

    An objective look   the total hareidy picture gives us a different outlook.
    Hareidim are very agressive and succesfull businessmen. They have a drive like no ones got! They also are very good   netwroking and enterprenership.
    The problem in israel stems from the idiotic way the israeli government and the hareidy leaders created some loophole to allow hareidim not to enter army.
    The only way to save the hareidim from this crazy nonworking mentality (which btw goes against orthodoxy!)Is by putting an end to this outdated settlement.
    Hareidim should have higher tax rate instead of army service and the hell with it.
    Or have a choice to do city jobs for 2 years.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    It’s the day after TIsha B’Av and the insults are flying again on VIN. You can pretty much forget about Moshiach. The Ta’anis was in the stomach not the heart.

    Green Tea
    Green Tea
    13 years ago

    Milhouse- you’re usually right on target but this time I must say – way off.

    Aryeh
    Aryeh
    13 years ago

    There are only about 91,000 Haredi men, out of a population of 7,500,000 KA”H. That is just over 1% of the overall population. How is this a major financial crisis to Israel? If 20% of all Israeli men between ages 35 – 54 aren’t working, it proves that the majority of unemployed, able bodied men are NOT RELIGIOUS!!! Wake up!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I don’t believe for one minute that the learning of these able bodied men is protecting Israel.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    when god threw adam out of gan eden it wasnt to go to kollel….IT WAS TO WORK!!!

    Anon Ibid Opcit
    Anon Ibid Opcit
    13 years ago

    For crying out loud. “The man who doesn’t teach his son a trade teaches him to steal.” “A man should first learn a trade, build a house, plant a vine and only after that find a wife.”

    Every penny able-bodied kollel schnorrers spend takes food from the mouths of responsible people who work for a living. There should definitely be job training or real education for them. If jobs simply aren’t there or a person is incapable of working there should be government assistance. Beyond that, if you don’t work, you don’t eat. If you have breed children in litters and refuse to provide for them you shouldn’t have them.

    It really is that simple.

    GREAT
    GREAT
    13 years ago

    At least he has the temerity to tell the truth.

    By eliminating all support to Kollel “timewasters” they will have to go to work. The Gemure says 1 in 1000 grow up “YOITZE LEHOIRUE” do you expect a better statistic in Bnei Brak or Jerusalem?

    Where are all the GEOINIM? if 50000 young men learn, then 50 GEOINIM should grow up each generation. A generation is about 15 years. SO can you name 50 geoinim who grew up in last 50 years in Israel? ADRABE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Satmarer Rebbe, Divrei Yoel, Z”L, did not want a Kolel until he was literally forced into it! He said “he want ehrliche balei batim” HOW SMART A TZADIK HE WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    zionist
    zionist
    13 years ago

    The Charedim have nothing against work. The problem is they dont have time to work because (nebach) the Goverment forces them to burn garbage cans.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    You’re all forgetting the requirement of joining the military if you’re going to work. Fortunately Yeshiva men are exempt from the military. There isn’t a problem of Ultra Orthodox men not wanting to work any where else in the world.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    I am amazed at the number of people that feels that work is important.
    Dont get me wrong. I do too. Its just that I thought this site is a chareidi website and not working would be defended by the majority of readers.

    Baruch Bendit
    Baruch Bendit
    13 years ago

    Kollel Judaism is a form of racism.

    There needs to be “term limits” for the majority of the “Avreichem”. Except for the best of the best, it should be “two years and out!”.

    actual Jew
    actual Jew
    13 years ago

    this (and the terrible economy) is why i stopped writing checks to these people long ago. only yeshiva tuition, my shul and my local Chabad for helping makarv me to yiddishkeit. other than that, get a job. i have two and my wife does too.

    Officer, SBJC
    Officer, SBJC
    13 years ago

    The following is related to Tisha B’Av and this thread. Up front, I acknowledge that the the following is not a standard interpretation of scripture. I have heard it said of the spies that their underlying intension was not to sin by lying and misleading the people. Israel was at an extreme high level of spiritual being–they were learning Torah from Moshe Rabbeinu. Thus, they had no reason to work since Hashem provided them all their physical needs. The one thing that the spies feared was giving up this spiritual state by entering Israel where they would have to both “conquer” and “work” the land as commanded by Hashem through Moshe and the Torah. The spies would have to allocate time for both war and working. It appears that many Haredim fail to fulfil this Biblical obligation by their not participating in the IDF (“conquering the land”) nor being employed (“working the land”). They, just like the spies, appear to be fearful of giving up even a bit of their studies. If they had true emunah in Hashem, they would have no such fears.

    yid
    yid
    13 years ago

    people should be taught a trade in yeshiva besides learning gemarrah the whole day!
    look at chassidei satmar! ok , they aren`t very educated but almost all work…