Israel – The next hot item in the haredi fight against immodesty is debuting this summer – professional photographers hired by the Committee for Preserving Sanctity and Education to catch yeshiva students on film at “immodest” concerts.
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Rabbi Mordechai Baloi, chairman of the committee, recently announced that whoever attends the mixed-gender rock concerts of haredi performers Yakov Sheweky and Avraham Fried may be putting at risk his and his children’s chances of being accepted into various yeshiva frameworks.
According to Baloi, the committee has arrangements with a number of the show’s organizers to hand over pictures taken during the concert because they do not want be in trouble with the rabbis.
“Once, we used to send photographers to the concerts. But now we have officials in the organization who send us pictures of those participating in the events,” said Baloi. “Everyone who goes to these concerts knows that he was there. Everyone knew he was there, unless he disguises himself. We will bring this to the attention of the leaders of the educational institutions,” explained Baloi.
The event managers themselves explained that the concerts are not directed at the haredi public, but are intended for the National Religious crowd. However, Baloi does not accept their claims, and says the fact that the artists are being billed as haredi attracts many haredim to the concerts, even if they are not officially part of the target audience.
Not only mixed-gender concerts are being targeted by the Committee for Preserving Sanctity and Education.
According to Baloi, the committee sent photographers out on motorbikes on the eve of the World Cup final to document yeshiva students watching the game.
“We dispatched three motorcycles with cameras to the streets to pass through restaurants, coffee shops, and bars in the city,” elucidated Baloi. “The photographers are not haredim, but are secular professionals.”
Baloi explained that the committee has no problem with the soccer game itself, but with things surrounding it, such as advertisements. He added that many of the yeshiva students left the venues when they saw the flashes go off.
The Committee for Preserving Sanctity and Education explained that they do not usually hand over photographs to the yeshiva heads the first time a student is caught, unless they are specifically asked by the yeshivas with which they are in contact.
very scary, are they going to follow everybody
put cameras in all yeshivas and rebbies offices
1- we will have evidence that can be provided to authorities when yeshiva personal lie when they fill out papers to receive government money
2. do the same in all houses so we can know who lied to receive welfare and section/8
3. maybe cameras all over will prevent child molestation.
If only the powers to be would put the same amount of effort to prevent molestation and to educate the frum public that fraud is unacceptable they can make a difference.
however it seems making sure boys do not go to concerts is of more importance and is a bigger risk to klal yisreoal
How can the photographers go to the concerts? Won’t they go off the derech from this experience that is supposedly so bad that we have to asser it? And they can’t hire a Frei Yid because they”ll go off just by looking by him!?
Talk about a Hillul HaShem! Secular photographers?! They must be having a great laugh at the Torah’s expense.
stupid idea with new technology they can implant gps and tracking devices in every child and (maybe even real time video in the future)
Va’ad HaTznius once “caught” my wife when she was a teenager with a boy & reported it to her school. It turned out that it was her brother. What a crime! All I can say is, “Nebach.”
We read articles like this all the time where meshuganas (who usually are not involved in real talmud torah themselves) go out and make terrible chilulei Hashem and impose ridiculous and counterproductive chumros and bans.
I think think that it is time that we (serious frum people) actively speak out against these forms of meshugas and not just view these actions as “very frum” or a bit “extreme.”
Who made these people gods messengers? I can’t wait for the day somebody decides to fight back. I’m sure there’s dirt on everyone.
There are times when I hear about a contemporary ‘rabbinic decree’ that inherently makes sense to me but I question whether enforcing something through pushing it down the masses’ throats is the best way of conveying the message…and then there are time where the decree is totally baseless and we should be opposed to very foundation on which it is based – this case!
Bottom line, frum people whether “charedi” or more “modern” or whatever one calls him/herself, should not be totally disallowed from having any fun other than enjoying a ‘geshmake tosfos.’ We are supposed to be a normal people and while we obviously set ourself boundaries, going to Shwekey concerts certainly fall within the line. Let’s stop the fanaticism.
These fantatics will push more and more Yidden away from Yiddeshkeit. It’s no wonder that the number of Yidden in the world keeps declining.
This reminds me of the religious police in Saudi Arabia and the Taliban in Afghanistan, who follow people around to see if they are not properly dressed, or doing things that they don’t approve of.
wow they still so bust with this …you would think after all the problems in todays world they will finally give up oh oh oh what did they do they went to hear some yiddishe songs so force them away and then wonder why there in other concerts or looking for some types of enjoyment..!
why are these ppl so busy running around taking pics and minding everyones business? go clean up meah shearim and all the other places that those animals from all the hafganos come from and take pics of them and throw all of them outta yeshiva and discipline them and you will have alot less of a problem when they get older………………..
#1you hit the nail on its head you told it as is great piece
the holier then thous are at it again imitating 1984 orwell who knows they might even suceed there are many fools who follow them
Says, you’re missing a crucial element. The tracking collars have to be fitted with GPS and electroshock. Anywhere outside a shul during prayers – mild shock. Lipa concert, heart palpitations. Untznius clothing store (women only), persistent convulsions. Moving faster than walking speed on Shabbos, death.
So if I go to a cultural event that my child’s yeshiva doesn’t approve of, my child will be blacklisted!? It is an illusion that children follow exactly in their parents’ path. Within the Torah world over the past twenty years, children have often moved to the right of their parents. Now we are being told that our children will not be allowed to do this. They will have to be exactly like me – which is not exactly a threat to me, although I resent this attempt to stunt their spiritual growth. However, if yeshivas actually act on these reports, they are not fit to be spiritual guides to young people.
This creation of a “caste” system within the Torah world is the opposite of Torah. Those who would not be acceptable in yeshiva under these terms: Rabbi Akiva and Avraham Avinu.
Maybe the camera-wielders should be told that they are guilty of bitul Torah and lashon hora!
Where are the gedolim???!!!
What’s next, putting blinders on when walking in the street?
Just reading about this makes me so mad. Who gave these self rightous rabbis the right to ruin someones life? I would love hear how they will defend themselves after 120.
A certain Vaad Hatznius ruined my first marriage and because of them I have not seen my daughter in almost 15 years. I will never forgive them this injustice.
All they accomplish is pushing Yidden further away from the jewish religion, instead of showing love and compassion they show hate and vengeance, if this animals are not stopped they will do irreparable damage to Klal Yisroel.
They are the biggest sinners themselves.
Gut Shabbos
Like everything else they’ve tried to coerce their bochurim to stay on the derech, this will fail. Each time they issue another “issur”, they create new incentives for those same bochurim to cross the line. There are plenty of frum yeshivot in EY so being thrown out of one has no really negative implications since there are many other options.
“Baloi explained that the committee has no problem with the soccer game itself, but with things surrounding it, such as advertisements.”
I don’t think soccer games have commercials.
#10 . Seriously. “Committee for Preserving Sanctity and Education”? I suppose getting kicked out of Yeshiva isn’t as bad as being marked by the Taliban, but really. Who are these rabbis who are reviewing these pics?
To all the holy kanoim, now turned private investigators, fighting those holy wars in the name of god. try worrying strictly about your own spirituality. I know… it’s not as fun.
The problem is that we all vent here (online) or at our shabbos tables. How many of us actually denounce this fanatical behavior in a public venue to really to put an end to this?
More importantly, which big rabbonim will actually speak out against this and the individuals who are behind these crazy ideas?
The answer to both questions – probably none 🙁
Why don’t they just march up and down in front of the concerts, wearing sandwich boards, (like R’ Y. Y. Herman ZT”L, “All For The Boss”) in front of the event, if they feel it is ossur. Tochocho is one thing but, threatening people is another.
Frankly, I dont give a rats tuches what these maniacs do anymore. If this is how the yeshivas want to work, by threatening my family with their shtusim, I would sooner send my kids to public school. If I want to go to a concert or a movie or watch tv, it is none of their business. If the roshei yeshivos accept these pix, they should not be roshei yeshivos; They ate feeble minded men. Its really no wonder so many are going of the derech. They will answer to the bes din shel maalah for causing all this. This is beyond sick.
how about sending photographes to all the demonstations & take picture of the bochurim who are burning garbage, turning over cars, vendalizing
Is there no end to meshugas? Will these committees scare us all into Olom Haboh or I they aiming for something hotter?
“Committee for Preserving Sanctity and Education”
Two lies for the price of one.
How about calling it “The Committee for the Preservation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice”? They could chastise untznius women, arrest unmarried couples and enforce the penalties against breaking yichud.
The Saudis have already trademarked the name?
Well, dang!
These people are being treated like prisoners this is so disgusting. I’m not a hater against anyone or the lifestyle people chose to live, but I do thank G-d I don’t live this life style I’m sorry to say it. I am not anti charedi I actually have a lot of rabbis who are chareidi, but this is just extremism I’m sorry to say. I’m more modern then anything I know a lot of people are against that on this site,and thats okay I respect your opinion. I just have one question how do people live like this it really beats me.
I think theres about to be a split between charedim. I can picture a branch of charedism coming out but a little more moderate, and the extremes will just go a different direction.
Shades of “1984”. Big Brother is watching you. If these folks have so much time on their hands that they can spend it “tailing” some youths who wish to enjoy themselves for a few hours, then they should be spending more time studying Torah In fact, perhaps they should be studying Jewish Ethics and learn how unethical these actions are. Is it any wonder that many of these young people choose to opt out of the traditions of their parents. This could backfire in the committee’s faces and end up producing an entire generation of non-practicing Jews. What a loss.
This is great! So now the bochurim and girls will go to Elton John instead of Avrom Fried, atleast there they wont get caught…this is seriosly so gross. Also if he has no problem with soccer game- the yeshivas should have set up a big screen in the rec room for the guys to watch it in a heiliger environment…woah would that be progressive. At least we’d’keep the boys where they belong!
Rabbi Mordechai Baloi, chairman of the committee, recently announced that whoever attends the mixed-gender rock concerts of haredi performers Yakov Sheweky and Avraham Fried may be putting at risk his and his children’s chances of being accepted into various yeshiva frameworks.
find out which yeshiva he is talking about and do not send you kids there or send any money to them
Let the cameras people take pictures of me, I’ll give them something to take a picture of; I want to start a new trend of women flashing the cameras. Let the rosh yeshivas see that when looking through the pictures.
can anyone of you”FREE PEOPLE” Explain What Is Wrong With Yeshivas Enforcing Their Policys On Their Students And Familys?
to poster #16 , jewish grandmother: Why put the blame on the photographers? They’re simply hired hands. And why are you asking where the gedolim are? These ARE the gedolim that are doing this!
to poster #18 : I don’t think we should have to wait ‘until after 120’ for these self-righteous jerks to be taught normalcy. Their yeshivos should be boycotted, no one should give them a dime, no one should enroll their children. That’s the only way they’ll learn.
They are not like the taliban! There is no punishment… They just want you to know that if you are to lead a double life we will expose you!
I was at the swekey concert last week, and was accepted at yehiva this week, do you think there was a delay in the Rosh Yeshiva receiving the pics? Incidentaly there was some seperate seating at the shwekey concert in caesaria. So there was an option!
Kol Haposel Bemumoi Posel
This is a great initiative. These crackpots are produced by those very yeshivos; the ones led by “Rabbi’s” sufficiently deranged to think kicking a bochur out of yeshivah for going to a concert constitutes hadrachah.
B”H these yeshivohs will start working hand in hand with their misformed fruits. It will make it clear to the normal and balanced baal habayis were he SHOULDN’T send his children, and we can begin the long overdue segregation of the frum and “chassid shoteh” communities
People, Saudi Arabia has something almost exactly the same, a Morals Police. Is that what you people out there really want? When my daughter was going to school, I was told that many schools will not take you if you have either the internet or television. I said fine. This smacks of fascism anyway! My daughter went to school just fine and I dare anybody to try and take away my cable television and internet! Just try!
“RABBI” blow or bloi whatever U wanna call him is clearly a deranged mind who sees only evil… he is the one person responsible for eliminating separate seating concerts in israel so now the people given no choice will go 2 mixed seating concerts… Btw. his own daughter sits in the front row of all these concerts maybe that’s why he’s lost it completely… Mr Blow Y don’t U get yourself a real job & get busy w yourself rather than trying 2 destroy the last drop of simcha we have left in this bitter golus… and just incase you don’t know Jewish music brings yidden closer to Hashem… unlike what you do which turns people away from yiddishkeit…
I am against those concerts, games with pritzus.
But why can’t we make good small conserts for our kids and let the kids participate!
Make a game yourself and bring your kids to play with you!
Only the reason they go overthere – becouse there is nothing exating for them overhere!
Open a nice pool for them to swim, make a nice gym for them to go to, but make it affordable, not like most of the places.
We have enough money to do so (one multimillioner can sponsor all the jewish m’koimos of Torah in America, and B”H we got few. One sportCenter’d cost 3-5 million $.
I am personally can run one of them.
You precious children won’t need to go to any other place, they be much more healthier, feel better and learn with more koichos, we won’t need any moisrim to do this unpleasant job and we won’t have all this machloikesim!
Agute voch and should have a lot of nachas from your children!
whos paying for this???
If i would ever go to a public concert (which I don’t), my first choice would be a classical music one.
That would be the most attractive place for me, yet I don’t think i will encounter any of thos cameras there!
Why not? Is such a concert yiddishkeit? [maybe yes!]
I think its crazy thing & whoever can stop it should do it