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Rabbi Amnon’s ‘judicial panel’, with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to ‘rid him of his sins’.Jerusalem - A singer who performed in front of a “mixed audience” of men and women was lashed 39 times to make him “repent,” after a ruling by a self-described rabbinic court on Wednesday.
Rabbi Amnon Yitzhak, founder of the Shofar organization aimed at bringing Jews “back to religion” (hazara betshuva), has made it his recent mission to fight against musical performances for both men and women.
His “judicial panel,” with Rabbi Ben Zion Mutsafi and another member, sentenced Erez Yechiel to 39 lashes in order to “rid him of his sins.”
In a video clip of the court posted on the Shofar Web site, Ben Zion said that those who make others sin (mahtiei rabim), such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come.
He displayed a leather strip he said was made by his father from ass and bull skin, with which Yechiel was to have been whipped.
Yechiel, who said, “I accept upon myself the lashing for my sins,” was ordered to stand by a wooden poll with his head facing north (“from whence the evil inclination comes”), his hands tied with a azure-colored rope (“a symbol of mercy”), and served his “sentence.”
Erez Yechiel preforming at a concert in 2009
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Aug 27, 2010 at 07:41 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
It's an old minhag
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Aug 27, 2010 at 07:44 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Never heard in todays days about 'malkas', since the singer himself came to the panel to ask them for a teshuva so it makes sense, otherwise would be very weird..
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Aug 27, 2010 at 07:53 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Taliban is alive and well in Israel. No Beit Din has that type of authority today. Rabbi Yutzchak has done some amazing things, but he and his Bais Din should be arrested for assault.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Nice circus, would have been a nice presentation at a concert. Did the beis din see how the sins are flying away after the lashes?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:11 AM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
Incidentaly,
What's wrong with concerts??
Jewish concerts have been going on since the time of the first beis hamikdash.
Remenber the Story of King Achav and Navos. The midrash relates that Navos was a great singer and he would perform in front of the people who were 'Ole Regel' in the Har Habayis /beis Hamikdash because he had a beautiful voice. One year he decided not to go (unknown reason), so his fate was seen as punishment for his NOT wanting to go.
If that is not a jewish concert I don't know what is...
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
is slavery next
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:18 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Soon they will initiate stonings hangings Etc.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:20 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
singing in front of men and woman malkas
million dollar fraud child molestation nothing happens weird
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:26 AM bubii Says:Report as Inappropriate
the retards are at it again most probably this is all a hoax he wont be hit hard just little spanking theese mindless morons act like 2 year olds want attention all the time
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:29 AM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
It also looks like it's the first time for these people.
Is that a cell phone at 5:58 ?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:33 AM AlbertEinstein Says:Report as Inappropriate
Who were the aidim, did they give hasra'a?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:49 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Their priorities are so screwed up! child molesters and fraudsters get protected but someone giving a kosher Jewish concert with the audience being willing participants gets lashes. Please tell me how this is not screwed up!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:54 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Very emotional. I have but two questions.
1) Although Erez Yechiel came to this Bais Din by himself looking for a Thsuva, it still is a serious matter. Why make a play out of it? What are cameras and video cameras doing there?
2) I happen to be an admirer of Harav Amnon Yitzchok. I listen to him, see his clips, and go to see him when I have an oppertunity. The question is, when is the Rav Amnon going to have non mixed audiences at his own lectures?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:55 AM Matzoslocal101 Says:Report as Inappropriate
#4,
"The Taliban is alive and well in Israel. No Beit Din has that type of authority today. Rabbi Yutzchak has done some amazing things, but he and his Bais Din should be arrested for assault."
It might behoove you to open a Choshen Mishpat and look at the second siman rather bragging of your ignorance of all things Jewish.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:57 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Malkis is given for being over on a laav. which laav are you over if you sing?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 08:59 AM Matzoslocal101 Says:Report as Inappropriate
#6,
"The midrash relates that Navos was a great singer and he would perform in front of the people who were 'Ole Regel' in the Har Habayis /beis Hamikdash because he had a beautiful voice."
If had bothered to open a chumash you would notice that by aliyah liregel it says "kol zichurchah, all males. Aliyah liregel was not a family picnic. It was a serious religious service performed by males.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:01 AM The-Macher Says:Report as Inappropriate
Promotion for both Erez Yechiel (a great singer BTW) and Rav Amnon. Rav Amnon does do great things but sometimes his penchant for using shock methods gets way out of hand.
Lipa getting his tuches'l whipped on stage would be some act for his next concert!!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:03 AM Matzoslocal101 Says:Report as Inappropriate
AlbertEinstein,
"Who were the aidim, did they give hasra'a?"
Another genius that learned a few dapim when he was in Yeshivah and never opened a Shulchan Aruch. See my reply to #4.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:08 AM destro613 Says:Report as Inappropriate
this is a publicity stunt, the lashes were given as lite taps!!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:41 AM pinny Says:Report as Inappropriate
this whole episode was purely symbolic as can be seen 5:25 min of the video .in the reflection in the glass of the bookcase. you see him being "hit" by barely tapping on his back. but wait till you read this story in "the ny times" and see how they will make us look.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:44 AM kollelfaker Says:Report as Inappropriate
burkas and stoning are not far behind but did i reaqd right this group is trying to spread yiddishkiet and bring people back if so they are doing a great job whats next surgically severing a mans spine because of an accident
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:45 AM Sol Says:Report as Inappropriate
Amnon Yitzchok is yesterdays news, he has lots of competition these days from the Batzri's & Pintos, so he is yearning for some attention and recognition.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:50 AM kollelfaker Says:Report as Inappropriate
#9 wrong they want to stone the parents that want them punished for their CRIMES
actually hitting with a belt as a form of repentence is done by moslems during ramadan when they self inflict wounds on themselves as a form of repentence
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:50 AM Was there Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Incidentaly,
What's wrong with concerts??
Jewish concerts have been going on since the time of the first beis hamikdash.
Remenber the Story of King Achav and Navos. The midrash relates that Navos was a great singer and he would perform in front of the people who were 'Ole Regel' in the Har Habayis /beis Hamikdash because he had a beautiful voice. One year he decided not to go (unknown reason), so his fate was seen as punishment for his NOT wanting to go.
If that is not a jewish concert I don't know what is... ”
Find one rabbi that permits singing at a mixed performance. R' amnon yitzhok was by R' shteinman this week discussing this issue, and shwekey, after hearing about shwekeys upcoming performance R' shteinman asked 'is he a chiloni'. You could read more on the israeli hebrew website, bechadrei charedim.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 09:53 AM Joe-Shmoe Says:Report as Inappropriate
#4
This man asked for it! he wanted it! and look in the reflection and tell me if you really didnt realize that it was more monumental than painful, in the reflection you can see him giving the malkus, and doesnt pick up the stick more than 4 inches, which is the reason this man did not moan even once. sooo sitting in our sofas doesn't make us aware of the facts.
#7 and #8
Typical jew bashers, nothing happened in this story and nobody is talking about a spine for a spine (read recent news in saudi arabia).
#10
You really blew it! a little spanking = idiots? this man did ask for it! you hear it in the proclamation and this rabbi is much bigger and gets much more attention than you will get in a lifetime of even full time 24 hrs bashing them. they dont need this for attention, however you do. and you would get a drop more attention by all other jew bashers here on vin which entitles you RIGHTFULLY as a moron.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:10 AM Smarty pants Says:Report as Inappropriate
Its a sephardi minhag this time of year to give malkos, I rememberr as a child my motherr doing it to my father . Tou people out there are just so smart "NOT"
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ singing in front of men and woman malkas
million dollar fraud child molestation nothing happens weird ”
You know what the definition of a sadist is? Someone who refuses to hit a masochist.
These people are nuts & I totally agree with #9. Priorities, people, priorities! It's not like this guy sang with women. I also agree it's a publicity stunt & it makes a mockery of a real Beis Din that takes its role seriously.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is perversion.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM CountryYossi Says:Report as Inappropriate
What a JOKE...My rebbe in cheder gave me much bigger Makes (maybe not 39) but defenite much more painful ones. And some took my pants off and hit me on my bare behind till i finally understood the Gemureh he teached us..
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM Amnon Says:Report as Inappropriate
I believe R'Amnon Yitzchok may be Mashiach, He accomplishes more in one day than most of yourr readers do in a lifetime
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:36 AM charliehall Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Find one rabbi that permits singing at a mixed performance."
Rav Soloveitchik z'tz'l and Rav Hutner z'tz'l attended the opera together in Berlin.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:52 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Minhag yerushalyim is to give and receive symbolic malkos on erev Tom kippur, this minhag is mentioned in shulchan oruch hilchos erev yom kippur and can be seen in the zichron moshe shteiblach.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:56 AM jakyw Says:Report as Inappropriate
Look at the faces of the bucherim at the concert. They are shining with the spirit of simcha and ruchniyus. Take away these concerts and they might seek an outlet elsewhere-goyishe outlets. Is that a better idea? stupid, stupid, stupid.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 10:59 AM TorahTruth Says:Report as Inappropriate
I just lost all respect for Amnan Yitzchok! How hypercritical! I have never seen anyone play more to the camera then Amron Yitzchok as well as in mixed audiences. What a total distortion! I never heard of this singer but who is to say that his method of Kiruv through music is any less valuable than Amnan Yitzchok. I’m DISGUSTED!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Still funny and weird, but;
1. This singer came to the Rabbis to give him a tikkun teshuva, they didn't call him to 'punish' him, so it was his choice.
2. The 'Malkes' didn't really hurt him, they were very soft whips, just the vidui and teshuva were the main, plus the 'zecher lemalkus'.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Was his concert mixed seating? It didn't look like it was on the video.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
To # 32
And do you have a clue what rav hutner said about it in his later years, he openly admitted that he was far from elokus at that time. By the way if I recall the rebbeh was there as well, but kayaduah he was to holy to grasp what was going on lol.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Taliban is alive and well in Israel. No Beit Din has that type of authority today. Rabbi Yutzchak has done some amazing things, but he and his Bais Din should be arrested for assault. ”
I do not need to defend the Rabbis. Still let me ask you, Mr. Bigshot. in your dirty eyes would you also see Malkis a Bais Din has given when we had the Bais Hamikdash a Talibani act?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
He takes one chilul hashem and perpetuates an even bigger one in which the rabbonim themselves are complicit. He clearly derives some sado masochistic pleasure from the lashing and the associated publicity and they just played into his hands. I'm willing to be that we will soon see his "Makos Set to Music" video and CDs being marketed all over the internet. Don't these rabbonim understand what pritzus they have been a party to??
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM papper Says:Report as Inappropriate
Charlie:
What evidence do you have of these aspersions you are casting against Gedolim?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM leftbrooklyn Says:Report as Inappropriate
Serves him right. It is Elul these people should be learning Torah and doing tshuvah. These concerts only lead to no good.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:40 AM TorahTruth Says:Report as Inappropriate
To 38: What nonsense… do you just make this stuff up? Pure Sheker… to his last years Rav Hutner was even Mattir listening to classical music during Sifira. Throughout the ages it has always been a convenient strategy to lie and say people were Chozer on their death bed… hey they say it about Rambam too so why not.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Reply to #31
I'm not sure he is defintely Moishicach, but I agree that based on his acomplishments there certainly is a much higher probability of it being true than some others rumored here frequently to be moishiach.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:00 PM KACH613 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just lost all respect for A Y they should all be locked up.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:14 PM levigold Says:Report as Inappropriate
I personnaly love this video.
It shows the beauty in the diversity, and distinct Minhagim each and every part of Judaism expresses.
The Sefardim and their Minhagim like Heter Kelalos, Malkos, Tikun Kures, Tanis Dibur, and much more, is what shows the beauty in Am Yisroel.
I view these Minhagim as a symbolic act to remind ourselves to do Teshuva, and a resemblence to the severity of transgressing the laws of the Torah.
Wish i would get these Malkos!!!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:29 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
To # 17
Although Aliya Le Regel is an OBLIGATION (Chiyuv) for men, women also were present. and often went as well.
If people brought Korban Pesach their wives also had an obligation to eat it, in Yerushalaim!! Women also would go up for Succos because there is a seperate Mitzva of Simcha and Chagiga which involve Korbanos of Which women also had to partake. In addition, on Succos you have the Simchas Beis HaShoeva, and women did attend as is evident from the Mishnayos in Succah and Chagiga.
Furthermore, every seven years you also have the mitzva of Hakhel were women also came up to listen to the King read the Torah.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:31 PM sylmoss Says:Report as Inappropriate
Ben Zion said that those who make others sin (mahtiei rabim), such as artists who make men and women attend performances or dance together, have no place in the world to come."
This little quote should be sent to all the gals who think and say "it's none of your business how I dress:” They make silly comments like “why do they look?” or “the women in Manhattan dress just as bad or worse so they see it there anyway” or “too bad their wives are fat and sloppy, that’s why they look” etc etc.
Shame on these ignorant ladies! The reason we have halachas regarding tznius is exactly because a man is created to notice. He is simply “wired” that way. The role of a tznua is to dress in a way that does not cause him unnecessary difficulty. It’s like putting ice cream in front of an ice cream lover who is trying desperately to lose weight.
These gals don’t realize that are merely a “shtik fleish” that they are uncovering thus causing a normal healthy man to look. (this goes for extremely tight clothes too) The lookers are not “in love” with these women. They are not even thinking about them as “people” they are merely looking like a dog in the street chases after another dog
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
To # 31 and # 44
What accomplishments did Amnon Yitzchak do to even contemplate his being Moshiach.
He is Not a Melech..
He is not even a Nassi
Nor has he waged any Milchemes Mitzva
Nor has he established a religious state.
Where are you getting your Moshiach requirements...certainly not the RambaM!!
What accomplishments are you measuring and who are you to measure?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:33 PM SandmanNY Says:Report as Inappropriate
Based on this beis din, we're going to have to assur the singing that goes on at all chassunahs now. Those are clearly mixed audiences. No more singing by the chuppah either. Now - for the record - where in the TORAH do we see that men cannot sing before a mixed audience?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:37 PM TorahTruth Says:Report as Inappropriate
To LeftBrooklyn #42: Perhaps if you spent more time going to concerts you would spend less time on the internet... a much greater danger.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 12:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Perhaps he enjoys being whipped, and they enjoy whipping him.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Was the concert wrong? YES! Absolutely, mixed concerts are prohibited and usually bring to no good.
See gemora Sukah (peirik 5) about simchas beis hasoavah.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
#6, concerts never took place by real frum yidden, only by lo grade and am ha'aratzim, and mixed concerts never took place by observant yidden, the maskilim reformers, etc. Used to organize mixed events to be coteh umachtie es horabim.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 01:39 PM BinderDundat Says:Report as Inappropriate
as someone who was born and raised in a frum home, all I can say is that this is not the yiddishkeit that I know. You people are all insane, Good Shabbos,
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Aug 27, 2010 at 01:54 PM WiseDude Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Wise Dude speaks:
This is really sick. Our Orthodox culture has gotten a little crazy. This is what happens when you ban work for a generation. The Mishna warns agains this : Perkei Avos 2:2.
The Wise Dude has spoken.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 01:56 PM HaNavon Says:Report as Inappropriate
While it is true that Beis Din retains the authority to meet out punishments that are "Makin V'Onshin Sh'lo Min HaDin", even to the point where they may give Misas Beis Din without 'Hasra'ah', this is only when the Beis Din will stop the nation from going away from "Torah values", whatever that may be, and in a case where the whole nation is at risk.
There is no place for this in the modern world, and this is only the beginning of a potentially nightmarish scenario in which people who have never read a science textbook will feel that they have the power to kill "heretics"....
This is scary.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:06 PM HaNavon Says:Report as Inappropriate
#54
You are incorrect! There are tshuvos from achronim that are matir mixed dancing, which has been happening among religious Jews since before the advent of the reform movement.
Also, please refrain from categorizing maskilim as reformers, this is patently untrue! The Maharatz Chayes refers to himself as a maskil, and so do many other great rabbunim of the time.
There is a clear difference between the Haskalah, which saved Klal Yisroel from destruction, and the Reform movement, which lead to a clear destruction of our people.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:16 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:Report as Inappropriate
Much ado about nothing. Many people have this minhag erev yom kippur. The guy wasn't lashed, he was "lashed." I would be the first one to say this is nuts and a perversion of Torah but in fact if the guy is on a teshuva kick, as he should be - it is Elul - and he feels he did something wrong, whether al pi din or lifnim meshras hadin, that's his business. He didn't get actual malkos, you can see claerly on the video tape he wasn't harmed one bit. Nothing wrong with what happened.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
What's going on here? One of the members of the judicial panel (with the white beard and the kaftan) also appears in the video of the 2009 concert of Erez Yechiel on stage. Was he a member of the band? What was he doing on the panel? Was he a witness? an informant?
In any case, I found the video of the "Malkus" very entertaining. I think it would be even more entertaining if it was re-released with Devo's 1980 hit "Whip It" as the musical background. The lyrics are very appropo:
"When a problem comes along
You must whip it.
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it.
When something's going wrong
You must whip it.
Now whip it
Into shape.
Shape it up.
Get straight.
Go forward.
Move ahead.
Try to detect it.
It's not too late
To whip it -
Whip it good."
Ba ba ba ba ba - ba ba
Ba ba ba ba ba - ba ba
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
#58, the term maskil that maharatz chayos is using has nothing with haskalah movement, this movement didn't save klal yisroal, it was a big churban and was slicing big chunks of klal yisroel, third generation maskilim were hardly shomer shabbos, please check history.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I do not need to defend the Rabbis. Still let me ask you, Mr. Bigshot. in your dirty eyes would you also see Malkis a Bais Din has given when we had the Bais Hamikdash a Talibani act?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:41 PM SHEKERBUSTER Says:Report as Inappropriate
"Find one rabbi that permits singing at a mixed performance. R' amnon yitzhok was by R' shteinman this week discussing this issue, and shwekey, after hearing about shwekeys upcoming performance R' shteinman asked 'is he a chiloni'. You could read more on the israeli hebrew website, bechadrei charedim."
"...Watch the video and you will see that Rav Shteinman hardly says what Rav Yitzchak is trying to get him to say. Most of the time he says nothing in response. Rav Amnon Yitzchak says he has people destroying disks by the thousands in Florida, and Rav Shteinman simply asks if that is really true. At the end he asks for a bracha and if he is doing the righ thing.
Rav Shteinman doesn't seem to understand a lot of what Rav Amnon Yitzchak is saying. He doesnt seem to understand who Shwekey is and what he does. He doesnt understand what music albums are and what disks are. He doesnt understand what the internet is and how Shwekey uses it. Yet Rav Amnon Yitzchak persists until he can get Rav Shteinman to approve...."
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:44 PM Formerly Known as Yodea Sefer Says:Report as Inappropriate
Charlie Hall:
What bearing would the fact that these two men did something have on Halacha? At that time neither of them were "higia l'horaah".
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:46 PM TorahTruth Says:Report as Inappropriate
To Shaul: The Shiite Muslims have the same Minhag, what's your point... just one more distortion in Klal Yisrael...
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:48 PM kispista Says:Report as Inappropriate
#39 the trouble is when a private thing is publisized to this degree then it becomes a circus and a perversion who cares what he does in private i dont think anyone does
the orthodoxy has become the butt of jokes with this kind of infantile behaviour
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Take a kid who is wavering as to whether or not he really wants to live a sheltered frum lifestyle and show him this article. He will be joining the Reform temple in to time flat - even he will still identify with Judaism.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ The Taliban is alive and well in Israel. No Beit Din has that type of authority today. Rabbi Yutzchak has done some amazing things, but he and his Bais Din should be arrested for assault. ”
Assault is (legally) defined as an unconsented offensive touching. Erez did not object to the lashing- thus no assault.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
focus on important things - for gods sake, get a job and stop condemning pesople and burning dumpsters
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Aug 27, 2010 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
A dumb publicity stunt for all concerned.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I would strongly advise to all normal Yidden to stop sending off their children to be schooled by these fanatical maniacs.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Hanavon #58,you can't forge history, all gedolei yisrael were fighting haskolah all the way, you can still find in many sforim the outcry on the maskilim and the disaster that they brought upon yiddishkeit.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
#47, what a comparison.. Playing music for people passing by are not to compare to sitting hours and enjoying a concert men and women together.
BTW, the olei regel were mostly men, a very smal percentage was women, surely not enough to cause taaruvos.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:20 PM Keves Says:Report as Inappropriate
This stupidity is a chilul hashem. I work in Kiruv and this pathetic video was emailed to me by someone Im trying to help get a bit closer to orthodoxy. Thanks to this "beis din" this young man basically said " what"s the difference between you and the Moslems?"
I never heard of this clown but he is dangerous
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:24 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
Charliehall #32, what's your source?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is one of the sickest stories I have read here and wonder why so many think it is uplifting. The reality seems to be that he gets off on the publicity of being "whipped" and possibly even derives so sick satisfaction from it. Its not a "minhag" that any normal yid would engage in and having these rabbonim participate makes it even more disgusting.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:31 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Teshuva is a beutiful thing and we should all learn from this regardless if we believe what he did was wrong that Hashem is a Merachem and gave us pathways to do teshuva
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The guy is nuts
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ What's going on here? One of the members of the judicial panel (with the white beard and the kaftan) also appears in the video of the 2009 concert of Erez Yechiel on stage. Was he a member of the band? What was he doing on the panel? Was he a witness? an informant?
In any case, I found the video of the "Malkus" very entertaining. I think it would be even more entertaining if it was re-released with Devo's 1980 hit "Whip It" as the musical background. The lyrics are very appropo:
"When a problem comes along
You must whip it.
Before the cream sits out too long
You must whip it.
When something's going wrong
You must whip it.
Now whip it
Into shape.
Shape it up.
Get straight.
Go forward.
Move ahead.
Try to detect it.
It's not too late
To whip it -
Whip it good."
Ba ba ba ba ba - ba ba
Ba ba ba ba ba - ba ba ”
That comment required too much effort and time to post. What a dork.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
#60 if you listen to goyishe music & can even quote it verbatim, of course your farshtupteh kup can't understand anything jewish!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
to poster #40:
Smartest thing I've read so far.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 04:10 PM chabadtefillin Says:Report as Inappropriate
listen they can start writing up their own gemara and torah as well.... i thought we don't have a true beis din now in days anyways, so how can they give malkas? you might as well start brining carbon pesachs!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 04:30 PM Pragmatist Says:Report as Inappropriate
Since the end of the sanhedrin era there is no such thing as a Bais Din meteing out Malkos. I hope this was all voluntary but even then, videoing and posting it by the "Bais Din" makes all of us resemble a bunch of Saudi or Afghan fundamentalists. Rav Amnon Yitchak's participation in this play act disappoints me greatly.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 04:43 PM Shmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
#67 Says, is that what happen to you?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Where does this meshugaas end? Can a beis din in galus (and we are all in galus even in EY until zman moishiach) impost "malkos" for someone who loses a din torah on some petty commercial dispute? Is a rav allowed to administer malkos to a woman who is not his wife?....a child? What are the rules governing this distortion of daas torah?
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Aug 27, 2010 at 05:26 PM stevenberger Says:Report as Inappropriate
Wait til the video of the makos appears on the internet. Woo boy!
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Aug 27, 2010 at 05:28 PM brooklyn Says:Report as Inappropriate
This just blows my mind. It’s not anyone’s business what people do in private, but to videotape this procedure and put it online is totally improper. Why did they make it public? To prevent other performers from possibly doing the same thing? I’m not even talking about the reaction of secular media when they learn of it. Jews will be portrayed as barbaric and backward people. We certainly don’t need this kind of publicity. I don’t know how good this is for kiruv, which Rav Amnon Yitzchak has been pursuing for so many years.
When we go through our personal teshuva, it has a different taste, it is between us and Hashem, or us and other people we hurt. It is not between us and the whole world.
I was actually crying throughout the whole thing – not from compassion but from frustration. I have a very bad taste from this.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #4,
"The Taliban is alive and well in Israel. No Beit Din has that type of authority today. Rabbi Yutzchak has done some amazing things, but he and his Bais Din should be arrested for assault."
It might behoove you to open a Choshen Mishpat and look at the second siman rather bragging of your ignorance of all things Jewish. ”
This sits isn't meant for people that are interested in looking what the Shulchan Urich says,you got the wrong address.we voice our own understanding opionions.
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Aug 27, 2010 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To # 31 and # 44
What accomplishments did Amnon Yitzchak do to even contemplate his being Moshiach.
He is Not a Melech..
He is not even a Nassi
Nor has he waged any Milchemes Mitzva
Nor has he established a religious state.
Where are you getting your Moshiach requirements...certainly not the RambaM!!
What accomplishments are you measuring and who are you to measure? ”
Hechzir es H'oilem L'tshuvah. Look in Rambam
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Aug 27, 2010 at 06:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
about the lashing all i have to say is poor performance. i would expect a much harder whipping than that!
actually, thats not all i have to say, i also have to say those are some twisted rabbis....
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Aug 28, 2010 at 04:38 PM mnmys1987 Says:Report as Inappropriate
There is no Sanhedrin nowadays, so how is it that they decided that they had the right to apply such sentence???
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Aug 29, 2010 at 02:31 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
A Bunch Of VIN Morans, the Idea of Malkes is only to remind you that back in the days you would've recived it for real - which was to the extend of possible death.
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Aug 30, 2010 at 10:40 AM favish Says:Report as Inappropriate
#32 what rubbish, what fantasy..on the former i might believe but not on the latter...unlless he was on a much lower madreigah in his younger years....
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Aug 31, 2010 at 10:55 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I will use my name just that people should know this is not just slander in Chodesh Ellul.
I said all my life that Amnon Yitzchak is a whako!!!!!!!!!
You can't be mekarev the way he does scaring jews that they will burn in hell,and telling them to take off all their gold and giving it to him for a crown for a sefer torah.
Mark my words (and don't call me a prophet when it happens) he will be in jail very soon for all the crap he does.