Jerusalem - R’ Elyashiv Refuses to Sign Israeli Ban On Chasidic Music |
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Jerusalem - In the ongoing battle that plagues the Chasidic Music industry in Israel, Israeli news source B’chadrei Charedim 
reports that R’ Amnon Yitzchak went to the home of R’ Elyashiv tonight, in an attempt to get him to sign on a Kol Korey that would not only ban concerts that were not “up to the standard of purity and holiness”, but would also forbid people to buy albums produced by singers who did not live up to R’ Yitzchak’s standards.
R’ Elyashiv reportedly listened carefully to R’ Yitzchak’s request, but refused to sign his name to the Kol Korey. Sources close to R’ Elyashiv indicate that the Rov felt that there are more pressing issues facing Jews today and this particular issue was not one that R’ Elyashiv had any interest in taking on at this point in time.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 07:43 PM harvey Says:Report as Inappropriate
he has better things to do with his time
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Oct 04, 2010 at 07:54 PM woodmerejoe Says:Report as Inappropriate
i am glad to hear that Rabbi Elyashiv can think for himself and cannot be pushed and shoved around
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Oct 04, 2010 at 07:58 PM BinderDundat Says:Report as Inappropriate
Kudos to Rav Elyashiv, finally standing up to the BS. Rav Amnon, please stop wasting your time and ours, we dont really care about ur meshigas.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:00 PM LouKay Says:Report as Inappropriate
Now, that's an emesedigeh Godal!
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:01 PM joseph Says:Report as Inappropriate
Inaccurate. Rav Elyashev put it under consideration. He hasn't made a decision yet on this issue.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:15 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:Report as Inappropriate
So there is hope after all!!
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:34 PM cheskyvin Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just curious, if the rav would sign it - will he still be "an emesdiga godul" or than u will find an excuse why not to listen to him...
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Simply saying "NO" to the 'kol koreh' is a good start. The real question is why Elyashiv and none of the other gadolim who were approached by this lunatic would not speak out publicly and clearly against this growing abomination of imposing extreme prohibitions that seek to squeeze out every last little bit of joy and entertainment for frumm yidden. Yitzchak is a greater threat to yiddeshkeit than gay pride parades or w parking lot that stays open on shabbos.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
To No. 5
I hope your are wrong or misinfomred. If Rav Elyashiv even "considers" this insane proposal, he will lose much of his moral authority as a gadol and posek.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 09:03 PM X Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Simply saying "NO" to the 'kol koreh' is a good start. The real question is why Elyashiv and none of the other gadolim who were approached by this lunatic would not speak out publicly and clearly against this growing abomination of imposing extreme prohibitions that seek to squeeze out every last little bit of joy and entertainment for frumm yidden. Yitzchak is a greater threat to yiddeshkeit than gay pride parades or w parking lot that stays open on shabbos. ”
Who are you Mr anonymous that you dare call the Gadol Hador by his last name? Just for the fact that he is likely old enough to be your great grandfather even without his great Torah knowledge and Tzidkus, you should call him Harav!!!
Tremendous Chutzpah.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 09:05 PM Lodzker Says:Report as Inappropriate
A posek who can say 'yes' is a true posek. its easy to pasken machmir on everything, anyone can do that.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 09:05 PM X Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Kudos to Rav Elyashiv, finally standing up to the BS. Rav Amnon, please stop wasting your time and ours, we dont really care about ur meshigas. ”
Rav Amnon Yitzchok is a great man don't belittle him. However he is making a big mistake trying to ban music when we have much bigger problems. I don't understand his hang up with music.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 09:13 PM Liepa Says:Report as Inappropriate
To # 8 Whilst I don't agree with Reb Amnon Yitzchock on this, at all I do respect his powerful following and accomplishments in the kiruv baal tshuvah movement. That's his claim to fame. Besides your vile mouth (or pen) what's your claim to fame, moron.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 09:29 PM enlightened-yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
Charedim should set up a system like U.S. Supreme Court with diverse judges. 9 or 11 "gadolim" of different views from "liberal" to much more "conservative" (radicals like this Ammon Yitzchak) and then decide the fate for hundreds of thousands that follow social decrees from other men. If majority bans music then followers will have to hum their own tunes. How can people's lives be in hands of 1 or 2 gadol who is a century years old and can not relate to today's social challenges and generational changes no matter how genius and learned they are.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 10:02 PM fornally Says:Report as Inappropriate
sanity returns great,
Maybe R’ Elyashiv was being polite. and said no in a nice way
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Oct 04, 2010 at 10:14 PM musicguy Says:Report as Inappropriate
im shocked that out of all things he is making a fuss about todays music when there are a lot of more pressing issues he should bring to r elyashiv. im glad and surprised that r elyashiv didnt sign he is usualy one that is machmir.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 10:17 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
While not there or privy to inside information, I seem to read that Rav Elyashiv did not reject the idea about some so-called "chassidic music" being abominable. He simply chose to limit the process of Kol Koreys and banning things to issues that are of greater importance. On the music issue, I agree completely with the rape of Jewish music that has affected so much of what is mislabeled "chassidic music". I am thoroughly nauseated by Yiddish rap, and there are many singers today whose chassidishe garb cannot convince me to go easy on them, since what they sing is sickening to me. My feelings on this are stronger than I have expressed in words. But I agree that the issue does not warrant Kol Koreys or banning, and doing this would cheapen the signatures of gedolim.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 10:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
unfortunately it seems the current generation of gedolim dont have a mind of their own and can be manipulated. it would be intersting to know if rav moshe would ban the music.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 11:13 PM TrueJew4ever Says:Report as Inappropriate
zemer yivani!!!!!!
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Oct 04, 2010 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Yitzchak is obcessed with music as the tool of the satan to lure away frum yidden from the derech. He considers almost any sort of music outside of davening or singing zmirot at the rebbe's tisch as a form of avodah zorah akin to the partying moshe rabenu experienced when he came down and discovered the egel ha'zahov.
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Oct 04, 2010 at 11:33 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I think this is great news! I think that most of Chassidic music is done appropriately, and if we ban it the kids will go to listen to secular music!!!!
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Oct 05, 2010 at 12:35 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
There was a video on the web a few weeks ago of reb shteinman also rejecting him.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 07:41 AM janda3 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just wondering if Rav Yitzchak would put a Kol Korei out on Rav Shlomo Carlebach if he were alive today? In his day he & his music were criticized.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 07:48 AM Normal Says:Report as Inappropriate
And you wonder why kids are freiing out.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 08:34 AM BinderDundat Says:Report as Inappropriate
I think I'll stick top good old 60/70s rock and roll. now THAT is music.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 09:04 AM kollelfaker Says:Report as Inappropriate
and who will check the new checkers and then will we need someone to watch them as well what ever happened to self control if you dont like or approve of something dont listen to it and explain why then it is our right to listen or ignor it the rav was right to say there are more pressing issues confronting us like child abuse children being turned off by our yeshivas and a lack of real emunah in our people how about alcholism previlant in our shuls during kiddushim music bothers him stop ignoring the real issues and help solve them first
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Oct 05, 2010 at 09:29 AM OMG, WTF!!!!! Says:Report as Inappropriate
So let me understand this:
If a person is not 100% pure and holy, if he has yahrzeit and is the chazan before the amud, he would have to speak davening instead of singing parts with nigun because his singing will somehow corrupt the kehila?
Also, what if two groups are singing the same song, but one is chassidish, and the other is modern orthodox, or less, can you only listen to the one version, because the other is dangerous?
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Oct 05, 2010 at 09:44 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I think that Rav Yitzchak is concerned because music can affect the Neshama, and a lot of music that is labeled "Jewish" today sounds like Judaized rock 'n roll.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 09:45 AM anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Now, that's an emesedigeh Godal! ”
response to # 4.. R Elyashiv has made many chumrahdika rulings that pretty much stifle any bit of life and happiness that his followers have left...their only happiness that they now posses is the ability to look down on other Jews who aren't as machmir as they are...the thought of being better then other yidden brings them to their joy...how pathetic..
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Oct 05, 2010 at 09:45 AM I mean, seriously? Says:Report as Inappropriate
this is a good idea.
Let's have monitors watch our internet activity, and censors deciding whose music we can listen to.
Maybe soon we can stop using the title Rav for these poskim and elevate their titles to Ayatollah!
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Oct 05, 2010 at 10:16 AM Joe-Shmoe Says:Report as Inappropriate
#11
Well put! (BUT it's up to the gadol where to be machmir and where to be lenient, AND as long as you didn't even ask him for the basis on being machmir or it's ASUR I know you "know by your guts", but as long as you are not a posek, and you didn't even ask him, you are wrong)
#18
"unfortunately it seems the current generation of gedolim dont have a mind of their own and can be manipulated. it would be intersting to know if rav moshe would ban the music."
Really! could you prove that you do have a mind of your own? either way, in yiddishkeit, (go learn) we are taught not to have a mind of our own! (just like justice system in usa) Precedence, takes precedent over your "mind of your own" (aka opinion). halacha, too takes precedent over "mind of your own" (opinion), just like the law in usa takes precedent over "mind of your own" (opinion)
SOOOO Mind of your own, please mind your own unless you really understand (by questioning your "FOE" for the basis of his ruling) halacha and precedence.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 11:31 AM DavidMoshe Says:Report as Inappropriate
Good for him. Banning things is not only idiotic, it's counterproductive. It also has the tendency to make people who sign the bans look like fools. I'm glad R' Elyashiv showed some good judgment here.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 11:31 AM stormin Says:Report as Inappropriate
Rav Moshe Zatzal opposition to music was based on Zecher L'Churban. There is a vast difference between guidance and krumkeit
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Oct 05, 2010 at 11:54 AM ShmuelG Says:Report as Inappropriate
#25: "I think I'll stick top good old 60/70s rock and roll. now THAT is music."
Maybe. But for the rest of us who don’t wish to enhance the experience with pharmaceuticals, that music is basically unlistenable.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 11:59 AM fools Says:Report as Inappropriate
I never realized how lucky SMR is until read this article. He doesn't have to listen to devil-worship hebrew concerts, he doesn't have to have his internet monitored, he doesn't have to worry about walking on the same sidewalk as women, he doesn't have to see immodestly-dressed women walking in the street with skirts above their knees, he doesn't have to ride the bus with women on the same side of seats, he is b"h protected from all these dangers.
Maybe these great poskim could work out a way where we could ALL go to prison and be kept away from these everyday dangers lurking on every street and in every activity.
Maybe more realistic is to make a gated community like seagate where we could all have our individual cells and wardens watching us, and not have to interact with the tumeddigah outside world more than necessary, because we don't have the moral strength that goyim and even animals in the street do to control ourselves, we need all these gedeirim to protect us.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 01:31 PM Aaron Says:Report as Inappropriate
A REAL SHAME !!
You are all choosing your positions on each and every topic and than those Gedolim that agree are the true Gedolim. What a shame !
It works the other way around. You choose a Gadol Hador and you take his opinions if you like it or not
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Oct 05, 2010 at 02:15 PM whatever Says:Report as Inappropriate
I wish he would sign that thingi about the jewish music. Go ahead and sign it and we'll all be listening to goishe music.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 02:35 PM machmir4life Says:Report as Inappropriate
@ #8,
as #10 stated, how dare you open your liberal fresh mouth and spit such slander as you did. I am not going to tell you to call the Gadol Hador by his title of Rabeinu Shlitah, because your mouth does not deserve to say EVEN THAT!! Chutzpan.
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Oct 05, 2010 at 11:31 PM basmelech Says:Report as Inappropriate
Maybe Rav Elyashiv Shlita did not give a psak outright banning concerts because he knows many people wouldn't listen to his psak anyway. I personally don't go to concerts, but, I do listen to music. Concerts should have separate entrances and seating for men and women, and then why would it be so wrong? (Maybe because since the churban Habayis we should not be listening to music)
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Oct 06, 2010 at 05:19 PM illiterates Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to #39: Aaron Says: "A REAL SHAME !! You are all choosing your positions on each and every topic and than those Gedolim that agree are the true Gedolim. What a shame ! It works the other way around. You choose a Gadol Hador and you take his opinions if you like it or not"
You can't even write a few simple sentences without making so many basic spelling and grammar mistakes, why would I care about your opinion of ANYTHING?
You are obviously very uneducated!
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Oct 06, 2010 at 05:22 PM Hypocrite! Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to 41 machmir4life Says: as #10 stated, how dare you open your liberal fresh mouth and spit such slander as you did. I am not going to tell you to call the Gadol Hador by his title of Rabeinu Shlitah, because your mouth does not deserve to say EVEN THAT!! Chutzpan.
Hey, "Machmir", if you're such a moirahdicka yid, what are you doing on the internet insulting strangers? Isn't that bittul Torah?
Why don't you ask your poisek if you should be on the internet reading and writing and minding other people's business instead of sitting and learning? I'd be interested to hear what he has to say about it.
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Oct 06, 2010 at 05:29 PM completely clueless Says:Report as Inappropriate
reply to #42: "Maybe because since the churban Habayis we should not be listening to music"
Or eating pleasant-tasting food. or sitting on comfortable furniture. And for sure we should look for extremely unattractive people with bad midos and terrible personaities for shidduchim, because we should not enjoy our relationships, either.
Yours was an extremely insightful and well-thought-out comment.
Also your point about not giving a psak against it because many people would go anyway is very very good! If we would give a hashgocha to McDonald's, because many non-religious Jews eat there anyway, think how many Jews who now go there would no longer be eating traif!