Jerusalem – Rav Wosner Speaks Harshly About ‘Kavod Beis Knesses’, As Thousands Attend Funeral For Sifrei Torah

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    Rav Wozner chose sharp words as he tried to inspire the crowd about the topic of Kavod HaTorah and Kavod Beis Knesses.  'Our gedolim have already explained why Sefardim were not affected by the Holocaust,' said Rabbi Wozner. 'Because they are extra stringent when it comes to showing proper respect for a Beis Knesses.'   Jerusalem – Rivers of tears flowed today in the Vishintz Beis Medrash in Bnei Brak. On a specially erected platform were twelve clay jugs, covered with taleisim, each one telling the sad story of what transpired on Succos. Twelve jugs, twelve sifrei Torah consumed by flames the electrical system powering the ventilation inside the Aron Kodesh malfunctioned.

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    All over the world, members of the Vishitz community have been consumed with introspection in the wake of the terrible tragedy. Today, Erev Rosh Chodesh Mar Cheshvan, a funeral was held for the twelve sifrei Torah, whose letters flew up into the air as the parchment they were written on burned. Thousands of Jews from all over the country, from all walks of life, all Chasidic sects, came to pay their respects to the twelve sifrei Torah.

    Vishnitzer Chassidim fasted this morning and spent their day immersed in learning and in prayer, preparing themselves for the somber funeral. As 2 o’clock drew near, thousands of people swarmed into the Beis Medrash, all visibly moved by the sight of the twelve clay jugs bearing the remains of the Torahs.

    The funeral commenced with the entire assemblage saying the entire second, fourth and fifth seforim of Tehillim, one passuk at a time, followed by broken hearted selichos.

    Rabbi Shemuel Ha-Levi Wozner chose sharp words as he tried to inspire the crowd about the topic of Kavod HaTorah and Kavod Beis Knesses. “Our gedolim have already explained why Sefardim were not affected by the Holocaust,” said Rabbi Vozner. “Because they are extra stringent when it comes to showing proper respect for a Beis Knesses.”
    Ultra-Orthodox Jews attend the funeral for a Torah scroll in the Vishnitz synagogue in Bnei Brak, outside Tel Aviv, Israel on 07 October 2010. Hundreds of Ultra-Orthodox attended the funeral for the Torah scroll which recently burned during an electrical fire in the synagogue.  photo by yossi zeliger flash90
    Rabbi Wozner spoke very harshly about the phenomenon of cell phones in Shul, saying “It is the obligation of every individual to maintain the sanctity of the Beis Knesses. Do not eat, do not use phones and do not talk about trivial matters while in a place of such holiness. There are Shuls that will turn half the Beis Medrash into an Ezras Nashim for a simcha. This is completely forbidden. There are other mitzvos that people are lax about. Loving your fellow man, respecting your parents, speaking lashon hara. We must strengthen ourselves in these areas.”

    R’ Moshe Landa, Rav and Av Beis Din of Bnei Brak spoke about the grief that is felt when a sefer Torah is destroyed. “When a person is niftar, the grief ends after a certain period of time. In the case of a sefer Torah that was burnt, that grief never ends.”
    Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men take part in a burial ceremony in Bnei Brak near Tel Aviv for Torah scrolls that were destroyed in a fire, October 7, 2010. Eleven torah scrolls were damaged in a fire that broke out in a synagogue during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot following a short circuit in the Holy Ark. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun
    R’ Yisroel Hager, son of the Vishnitzer Rebbe called upon the crowd to distance themselves from destructive influences and to strive to attain a higher level of Kedusha. “It is imperative to respect a Beis Knesses and not to talk during davening,” he admonished the thousands of listeners. R’ Hager also warned the crowd to be more stringent in z’manei Tefila and spoke out against the practice of women wearing long wigs.

    All through the funeral, the Vishnitzer Rebbe remained in his room, near the Beis Medrash, participating from there in the sad event. Close to 5 PM, the procession moved out to the streets of Bnei Brak. Members of the Vishnitzer Beid Din carried the clay jugs containing the remains of the sifrei Torah, followed by thousands of mourners. R’ Aron Leib Steinman led the procession to the Beis Hachaim, were the sifrei Torah were laid to rest as the mourners were occupied with thoughts of teshuva, promising to do whatever they could to heed the obvious warning call that was sent from Above.

    The Vishnitz Beis Din has asked community members to refrain from all speech while they are learning Torah from now until Pesach. Additionally, the community has been asked to make donations for new Sifrei Torah to be written, which are expected to be finished by next Succos.

    Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men take part in a burial ceremony in Bnei Brak near Tel Aviv for Torah scrolls that were destroyed in a fire, October 7, 2010. Eleven torah scrolls were damaged in a fire that broke out in a synagogue during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot following a short circuit in the Holy Ark. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun

    An Ultra-Orthodox Jewish man looks at the burial ceremony in Bnei Brak near Tel Aviv for Torah scrolls that were destroyed in a fire, October 7, 2010. Eleven torah scrolls were damaged in a fire that broke out in a synagogue during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot following a short circuit in the Holy Ark. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun

    Ultra-Orthodox Jewish men take part in a burial ceremony in Bnei Brak near Tel Aviv for Torah scrolls that were destroyed in a fire, October 7, 2010. Eleven torah scrolls were damaged in a fire that broke out in a synagogue during the Jewish holiday of Sukkot following a short circuit in the Holy Ark. REUTERS/Ronen Zvulun


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    13 years ago

    I followed everything till I got to the long wigs. What dors that have to do with burning Sifrei Torahs. Maybe its because some men cut their beards or payos. Maybe because the men don’t say shma with kavoneh. What mit deh wig business?

    13 years ago

    cant be why they werent in the holocaust.
    anyway, werent they kicked out of spain?

    shredready
    shredready
    13 years ago

    this is truly a sad event

    but for anybody to say they know why or happened or why the Sefardim did not suffer during the holocaust is pure speculation and foolish. They really do not know.

    The Sefardim did not suffer as much is no surprise, no miracle, no proof of anything since the Nazis did not invade Spain. Very simple explanation.

    yosher
    yosher
    13 years ago

    maybethe fight of R.Yisrael and R Mendel was contributory

    13 years ago

    once again they haven’t failed to mention the women’s tznius.not sure what the relation between long shaitels and burned sifrei torah is. how about starting with all the fighting?? the division between the chassidus while the rebbe is still alive???

    Babishka
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    Babishka
    13 years ago

    The entire community of Greek Jews were wiped out in the Holocaust, and they were all Sephardim.

    Honorabledude
    Honorabledude
    13 years ago

    or could it possible be that (A) we don’t know anything and should stop pretending that we do. (B) we should stop pretending that we are all such great Tzadikim and should stop trying to prove to Hashem how great we are. Or maybe instead of always looking for the bad in all of us we should start searching for the good. It amazes me that no matter how many good things we accomplish, or how many mitzvahs we do, we always seem to be knocking ourselves down..maybe the problem is not that we’re not doing enough, rather that we are not appreciating and looking at the good that we doing…..Hashem is judging us favorably, we are not judging ourselves…

    woodmerejoe
    woodmerejoe
    13 years ago

    Rabbi Lau, the former chief rabbi, put it beautifully.”We are not G-D’s accountants”

    13 years ago

    #1 , maybe it’s felt that the long wigs look too much like real hair and like the woman is not married and like it’s not Tznius-dik. Maybe it’s felt that the longs wigs attract too much of the wrong attention.

    13 years ago

    # 2 & #3, the Rov, Shlita, may be speaking about Sefardic Jews in Middle Eastern countries, not in Spain. Because they were extra stringent when it comes to showing proper respect for a Beis Knesses, Hashem could have caused their countries not to be invaded, in this Zchus.

    Maier
    Maier
    13 years ago

    “There are other mitzvos that people are lax about.Loving your fellow man”
    You mean like two brothers fighting who should yarshen the rabbista – while Pappa is still alive???

    shredready
    shredready
    13 years ago

    this is truly a sad event

    but for anybody to say they know why or happened or why the Sefardim did not suffer during the holocaust is pure speculation and foolish. They really do not know.

    The Sefardim did not suffer as much is no surprise, no miracle, no proof of anything since the Nazis did not invade Spain. Very simple explanation.

    come-on-r-u-serious
    come-on-r-u-serious
    13 years ago

    12 Sifrei Torah were buried and 7 of the 1st 8 comments here are the reason why!!! It is absolutely disgusting to read and disheartening to know that there are people who at a time like this when clearly Hashem is sending such a strong message and people spew their apikursus.

    Our Gedolim spoke. Period. End of story! You agree with them then do a Cheshbon Hanefesh and be a better Yid. You don’t agree? too bad on you but don’t share it with us.

    If Rav Wosner said this is why things happened then that is 100% Emes. He is one of our greatest leaders. He is certainly better connected to the almighty then any of us.

    I cried today for the Sifrei Torah lost. I cry now for the Neshomos of people who commented here that clearly are lost

    shredready
    shredready
    13 years ago

    Anonymous Says:

    # 2 & #3, the Rov, Shlita, may be speaking about Sefardic Jews in Middle Eastern countries, not in Spain. Because they were extra stringent when it comes to showing proper respect for a Beis Knesses, Hashem could have caused their countries not to be invaded, in this Zchus.

    please, in Europe the yiddin did not wear the fancy wigs like they where now so the reasoning in not logical .

    according to your logic hashem is wanted the nazis to invade the other countries or let it happen. it has to work both ways.

    shredready
    shredready
    13 years ago

    how come they never mention child molestation is the cause or maybe we should not do anymore fraud and that is why it happening.

    it seems that is a bigger problem amounts not only yiddin but many organizations?

    Easy to blame woman and others and never look within oneself. It is never them always others

    HaNavon
    HaNavon
    13 years ago

    Who said the s’fardic community wasn’t harmed in WWII?
    These could only be the words of a person who is so unfamiliar with history that he doesn’t know that the Greece lost over 90% of its Jewish population, the Jews of Italy, Croatia, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, France, Bosnia, Macedonia, etc. were almost all killed out in the holocaust.

    Glassman
    Glassman
    13 years ago

    #4 ,#5,#12 You have absolutely no idea. 1st of all there has been no fighting between the CHASSIDIM for at least 2 years. And more importantly R Yisroel never ever fought with anyone. You will never find a bigger baal midos anywhere. So #12 stop being motzi shem ra about fighting over yarshening. He would be the last person to do that.

    shredready
    shredready
    13 years ago

    Chaim Says:
    Reply to #3
    fornally Says:

    “ this is truly a sad event

    but for anybody to say they know why or happened or why the Sefardim did not suffer during the holocaust is pure speculation and foolish. They really do not know.

    The Sefardim did not suffer as much is no surprise, no miracle, no proof of anything since the Nazis did not invade Spain. Very simple explanation. ”

    The sefardim were not in Spain during the Holocaust – They were kicked out during the INQUISITION MORE THAN 400 HUNDRED YEARS EARLIER.

    makes no difference they where in countries that the nazis did not invade.

    so his point is nonsense

    lamdan
    lamdan
    13 years ago

    As soon as it happened I was shocked why did hashem cause such a tragedy knowing this particular chasidus where they have shalom and don’t talk lashon hora & don’t hit each other? Now B”h following the news I hear that in vishnitz the women wear long wigs that’s why hashem caused the fire. Btw I think in Flatbush the ladies wear longer shaitlich & I don’t remember hearing a fire in aron kodesh

    Glassman
    Glassman
    13 years ago

    #16 , child molesters and fraudsters are not going to be stopped by a Rav’s mussar

    13 years ago

    I am tired of hearing the women being blamed. As far as I can remember from my Bais Yaakov days, it was always the women’s zechuyos which carried the day. Golus Mitzrayim, Chet Haegel…..I would like to see the Rabbonim chiding the men for a change. We all need to do teshuva; it is divisive to point fingers. Maybe that’s why the Torahs burned.

    JamesDean
    JamesDean
    13 years ago

    Maybe this will get the Bnei Brak Chasidim to stop stealing streimlich on Shabbos. When they stop that we can start on long Sheitels.

    yossief
    yossief
    13 years ago

    formally #19 puts forth a facetious argument ” the nazis didnt invade spain” since im sure hes cognizant that as frum jews we belive everything is ordained above in shomayim as u just prayed so ardently mee yichye mee yoomis.. Rav Vosner was explaining why the nazis didnt in fact invade spain. furthermore the holocaust was by far more serious than the inquisition. The former .was a program of extinction, the latter expulsion. But the arrogance rankles. would he have the gall to argue, with S. Hawkings re: singularites, or debate Einstien or Hsienger re: Quantam wave particles? So why would you persume to argue with Rav Vosner ? arguably from the top 5 poskim in the world. If you dont trust such rabboninm there is no mesorah & consequently no yiddishkeit

    shmielglassman
    shmielglassman
    13 years ago

    hello # 18 & 21 which glassman are you ??

    13 years ago

    I see there are a sense here to stereotype and find problems. So if to stereotype I see a pattern here in the last few years we had already 2 incidents with sifrei tora both in viznitz and at the same time of the year. (i am talking about the tora dropping by the monsey viznitz rabbi). Can someone explain the correlation between the 2 incidents?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    13 years ago

    There are some really strange elements to this story. First, why would the Vishnitzer rebbe not want to attend this event rather than hanging around his apartment.? Did he have some schduling conflict? Also, why was this another opportunity for Wosner to bash ysiddeshe women (sheitels are too long??). Also, why is it inappropriate to create a separate ezras nashim in the shul for big simchas? Does R’ Wosner prefer mixed seating with no mechitzah which I doubt. And to poster No. 23, I have never heard any accusation or anything in this article suggesting that the Vishnitzer rebbe or his chassim “steal streimlach in Bnai Brak” as you suggest. Very strange article.

    13 years ago

    Was following the article intently and was moved untill the wig part. Had to ruin it with that nonsense. And the sephardim thing, Ehhh. Why not say pedophiling! And the cheating in business! And the money laundering with the huge chilul hashem! No, wigs and text messaging. Gimme a break already.

    Joe-Shmoe
    Joe-Shmoe
    13 years ago

    lolifes! 12 torahs were burned and the only thing you can say is “what does wigs have to do with burning torahs!” Have you no shame! there is a story of a man that converted to Christianity prior to WWII. the nazi ba_tards came to him, he said “I’m not jewish” they told him here you have a torah spit on it! he said “!NO!” Enough I have sinned against this torah, you want me to spit on it too! he and he killed himself!

    Here we have 12 torahs burned, and YES IT IS A NAGGING PROBLEM! ladies do go dressed as attractive as they can dress, and we say, Whats the problem! (that’s saying quietly lo sosiru achrei levavchem is not applicable to me!, I dont get induced by that!) Problem is that these people are the biggest sinners and are therefore trying to belittle others so that they will feel better. WHAT A SHAME!

    If you want to say you yourself have other problems you want to work on, KOL HAKAVOD. but dont belittle somebody who KNOWS at least 5 more stories than you and knows what the problems are with watching videos, no, they are not tsniusdig, and yes they do influence and they do bring much too many problems.

    Please for the sake of the torahs lets try to be mechazek each other.

    newtransplant
    newtransplant
    13 years ago

    The Rebbe shlita, is not a well man, he does not go out much, in this case I assume the tzorus was too much for him and he stayed closeted in his room asking for rachamei shomayim – as so many of our great Rebbes have done over the years.

    Joe-Shmoe
    Joe-Shmoe
    13 years ago

    # 27

    Sit down and start learning. Rav Vosner did learn and you should not have the chutzpa to bash his rulings without having asked his opinion (which is based on the torah and halacha) especially where you obviously dont have any daas torah.

    1)Shul in halacha does have kedusha and bringing in ladies might not be really appropriate, (I DONT have daas torah, but I do have the respect to at least try understanding it myself, even though this might not be the reason of rav vosner)

    2)The viznitzer rebbe is very frail and very not well. his room is right next to the shul with a door they open for prayers,

    3)According to halacha, saar b’isha erva which means that one may NOT make brachos in the presence of uncovered ladies hair, there are many previous gen, poskim who are very against hair as they look like real, and therefore attract, (lo sosuru,

    dont be sooo against everything a posek claims has to do with yiddishkeit, for then you will never listen or ridicule the truth just to cover up your guilty conscious.

    13 years ago

    I am still in shock that instead of taking some Mussar on the chin, from one of the pre-war Gedolim, who we are still zoiche to have with us, people are commenting on rights to reason?? What do you think A Godol is = Hashem gives a special Siyatta Dishmaya to a select few who have toiled in torah for decades, and we are than fortunatley able to get the relevant messages passed on to us. If we are stupid enough to ignore these messages, we will only have ourselves to blame, and be held accountable in the Beis Din Shel Malloh that awaits us all!! Remember this is not only a sign from Hashem to Wisnitz Chassidim but to all G-d fearing jews.
    Lastly a reply to comment number 27: The Wisnitzer Rebbe Shlita’ suffers from severe Altzheimers and was in a private room attached to the Main shool throughout the Hespedim and Levayah.

    MyNachas
    MyNachas
    13 years ago

    Come on people!

    This is a tremendous tragedy and you are all arguing, helping to bring about another tragedy Chas V’shalom. We all have to be Mesaken our faults to the best of our abilities and stop causing more a bigger Chilul Hashem by bashing Gedolim Brabim.

    lakewooder
    lakewooder
    13 years ago

    The Vishnitzer Rebbe is unfortunately suffering from Alzheimers. (Alternatively he is half in heaven conversing with Malochim). The fire burnt Sifrei Tora, maybe the remez is that we should start keeping the Torah and everything it says there. Pretty simple.

    The argument that the Nazis did not kill jews in Syria, Iraq, Iran etc. because they did not invade them is ludicrous. Why did H-Shem allow them to invade Poland and not Iraq? They did not manage on their own strength. See Eichah for all this. H-Shem sent us a messenger called A.Hitler and his men and that messenger was not sent to most of the places where Sefardim lived. That is the point.

    13 years ago

    Everyone seems to be looking for something on which to place blame for this terrible tragedy. There is no correlation between wig styles and this event and anyone who chooses to believe this is living in a dream world. How about the fact that some sort of electrical defect in the fan in Aron Kodesh caused the blaze?? Perhaps if some reasonable maintenance of the building were maintained, this tragedy might have been averted. The one positive outcome of the fire (according to the article) is that people from all walks of life and all chasidishe sects came together to honor the torahs. We need more unity in Klal Yisroel – not just when a tragedy occurs.

    13 years ago

    to #35 the electrical defect was that the maintenance guy was kicked out 6 months ago and he used to close the fan onece a month for 24 hours so do to him not being there anymore it was ruuning for 6 months and over heated!!!!!!!!!!!

    13 years ago

    Rav Wosner said “Love your fellow Man”. Not just your fellow ‘Yiddishe man’.

    He’s 100% right, because by showing HKB”H, that we teach our children to love all of Mankind, Yid and Non-Yid, HKB”H will, Never-Again, instill hatred into Umos, against us.

    13 years ago

    #38

    Well Yonah also thought that its not important to save a Goyishe City , but Hashem Thought otherwise.

    Normal
    Normal
    13 years ago

    Lehavdil, this reminds me of golda meir’s : “Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us”.

    Here, there will be peace between jews, when they love each other as much as they love their sefrei torah.

    Glassman
    Glassman
    13 years ago

    To #36 . That fan has not been working for about 6 years, so there seemed to be no reason to check on it.

    lakewooder
    lakewooder
    13 years ago

    Yonah was never told to love them.

    13 years ago

    Many sephardim did suffer severely under the hands of the nazis. Greece Yugoslavia, holland etc.

    As far as the wigs, perphaps longer shaitles are more likely to catch fire.

    Emes10
    Emes10
    13 years ago

    I understand your mixed feelings about the statements issued by the leaders of our Generation.

    Regarding the Holocaust, teh Gedolim at the time of teh Churban stated that there were Sefardi communities that were not destroyed due to their Kedushas Beis Hakneses. there were many stories where the Nazis arrived to teh outskirts of their countries and for no reason turned away.

    In regard to the long sheitels, It’s very often teh men who demand from the women to wear long sheitels which causes harm to other men……… This is all against teh Torah, where Hashem unfortunately has to send a nasty message that we must respect the Torah in order to merit keeping it.

    This is a lesson for all us Jews around teh globe as Am Yisrael is One.

    Lets not speak any bad about anyone, especially our great leaders and lets just unite in repentance and merit the long awaited arrival of teh Messiah!!