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Lakewood, NJ - A local couple were arrested after police say they kidnapped a man and beat him before dropping him off in New York.

David Wax, 48, and Judy Wax, 46, both of Somerset Avenue, here, were charged with kidnapping. David Wax was also charged with criminal restraint, luring, aggravated assault, theft and robbery, and Judy Wax was charged with conspiracy.

Sometime after 9 p.m. Saturday, David and Judy Wax handcuffed Yisrael Bryskman, 36, and moved him into a room at their home on Somerset Avenue before beating him and ordering him to call his family and demand money, according to Lt. William Addison.

Bryskman, of Brooklyn, N.Y., was staying in Lakewood, and was seeking employment with the Waxes when they assaulted him, said Addison.

After being dropped off in Brooklyn, Bryskman went to the hospital and was treated for a broken nose, several cuts to his head and black eyes, according to Addison.

He went to Lakewood police headquarters and reported the incident to the watch commander around 12:15 a.m. Tuesday, said Addison.

Bryskman’s Palm Pilot, thumb drive, hat, coat and $200 to $300 in cash were stolen. Police don’t believe the Waxes received any money from Bryskman’s family.

This case is being investigated by detectives Steven Wexler and Daniel Pworkoski.

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Bail was set at $750,000 for David Wax and $400,000 for Judy Wax and both are being held at the Ocean County Jail in Toms River


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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:33 PM yeedle Says:

Its a get issue

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:38 PM benvin Says:

What the H???? Who are these people? And what kind of employment was he seeking?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Was this case involving an Aguna?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:40 PM Freilich Says:

They run the Taryag Heritage Foundation.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:45 PM avida ligulyei Says:

lets just say there is MUCH more to the story & we'll see who everyone will side with once the story breaks.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:

A shanda! A Yiddisha couple beating a fellow Yid! If they are convicted, they should get the book thrown at them.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:51 PM ComeOn Says:

I hope the comments stay kosher.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 02:52 PM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

Before anyone comments do a google search pm ayisroel Meir Briskman.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:00 PM Briskman Says:

This animal has left his poor wife penniless, homeless and alone, no hope for a normal happy life.
HE is holding his wife hostage. HE is the kidnapper, HE should be prosecuted.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:00 PM harvey Says:

oh, my god.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:03 PM PhillyYid Says:

what - this sounds insane and there must be more to the story

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:08 PM Thoughtful Says:

Can someone with a little "inside" information clarify this story to me?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:

The frum Israeli victim (a Choshuva Kolel Yungerman), is a mechaber of Seforim,
The couple arrested, along with others, were paid by his father in law to force a Get from him despite the original Psak Bes Din (Charedi) in Israel that his wife was a Moredes.
His FIL ($$$$) then went to the Raba'nut' Bes Din of his friend and got a psak that drove him from the country.
Rav Shmuel Kaminetzki has already said that this a Get Meusa. They will get what they deserve.

EMES

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:14 PM There are laws Says:

The person that was beaten up is refusing to give his wife a get. He has many gedolim is Eretz Yisroel that have backed him in this, because there are many issues here. We live in america, and violence is not what we do. Now let us all go and cry pidyom shvuim, and raise money, and blame the guy who was beaten to a pulp!!!

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:24 PM Anonymous Says:

to # 9
you obviously don't have a clue! the bais din was bought off by her rich father. she is not penniless or homeless by any means. that is such a lie its ridiculous. she is living the good life that she wanted & kept his kids from him. its all her parents fault

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:30 PM EMES2 Says:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet about YMB. He has a Psak from the Chareidi Bes Din in his favor. (They called his wife a Moredes). He tried to settle but they would not. They went to a second Bes Din that paskened against him. (against Halacha) They took away his son from his custody. (also against halacha)
There is a lot more to this story, but censorship on these forums don't allow the truth to come out.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:43 PM the truth Says:

her parents started this, now they will get what they deserve. don't judge briskman w/o knowing the whole true story. and even if you disagree w/ him, what the wax's did was WRONG. ( to put it mildly)

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

True he might not have given his wife a Get yet, however, this is not Taliban country we have laws that we have to obey.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:57 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

The frum Israeli victim (a Choshuva Kolel Yungerman), is a mechaber of Seforim,
The couple arrested, along with others, were paid by his father in law to force a Get from him despite the original Psak Bes Din (Charedi) in Israel that his wife was a Moredes.
His FIL ($$$$) then went to the Raba'nut' Bes Din of his friend and got a psak that drove him from the country.
Rav Shmuel Kaminetzki has already said that this a Get Meusa. They will get what they deserve.

EMES

A Get Meusa means a forced Get, but doesn't mean that the Me'agen has a right to be Me'agen his wife as you are suggesting Rav Shmuel Kaminetzki allows. I don't know anything about this story, and Moredes or not Moredes, a husband has NO right to be Me'agen his wife, and vice versa, period. I will scream bloody murder to anyone (husband or wife) who does this.

Now regarding a Get Me'usa, I suppose this Get was done in a Kosher Beth Din Kedas Moshe VeYisroel (no pun intended), and there is an Issur to be Motzi Laaz on a Get. Rabbeinu Tam puts someone in Cherem for doing this. So how do you come out and say a Get "Meusa"? Rather a Get Ah Miesa.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:57 PM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

I don't know all the details of this case, but that that he got a psak by a "chareidi" bes din SEEMS to have nothing to do with anything! Even if she is a moredes why hasn't he given a get? A moredes gets given a get even against her will, she doesn't get sent away without a get! Besides, did he have a hetter to to moser on wax? I don't know much and I'm sure there is much more to the story, but I'm definitely confused!

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 03:58 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #14  
There are laws Says:

The person that was beaten up is refusing to give his wife a get. He has many gedolim is Eretz Yisroel that have backed him in this, because there are many issues here. We live in america, and violence is not what we do. Now let us all go and cry pidyom shvuim, and raise money, and blame the guy who was beaten to a pulp!!!

It is wrong to beat anyone and it is wrong to be Me'agen. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:01 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

to # 9
you obviously don't have a clue! the bais din was bought off by her rich father. she is not penniless or homeless by any means. that is such a lie its ridiculous. she is living the good life that she wanted & kept his kids from him. its all her parents fault

If she keeps his kids from him, then she is also wrong, no if's and's or but's. So both are wrong, she for not letting him see his kids, and he for being Me'agen his wife. Why should WE take sides? Rather we should see to it that she let hims see his kids and him giving his wife a Get. Plain and simple?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:01 PM OMG, WTF! Says:

Reply to #12  
Thoughtful Says:

Can someone with a little "inside" information clarify this story to me?

Almost every single comment here on this story is complete Loshon Hora WITHOUT QUESTION.

And #12 "Thoughtful" (is that eName a joke?) is Choteh U'Machateh, actually ASKING for gossip.

I doubt that any of you writers know personally all the details, and even if you did, repeating them here is Loshon Hora.

Ask your local Rabbi if you don't understand this yourself.

What is VIN turning into? "PEOPLE" Magazine?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:07 PM Yankala Says:

Anyone who went threw a Get in Israel like myself can testify, that the Butei Dinim there are full of it..., you can't trust them, and especially the the Rabanut, they will always be on the side of the woman no matter what.
lets make it clear, that i don't know this case, but it looks to me that she wanted to take away the best he had ever had - his kids + all his money for child support and so on, so he will never be able to start a new life again, and if this is the case he is totally right for refusing to give her a Get.
i can just hope, that the Rabunim will come out and say clear that this Mordas (according to the comments above) is still married to him Al Pee Halachah, and was a Get Misha.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:07 PM what!!??? Says:

you get permission to moser abt a financial issue, if someone beats u up like this, u run to report it!

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:09 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #16  
EMES2 Says:

Don't believe everything you read on the internet about YMB. He has a Psak from the Chareidi Bes Din in his favor. (They called his wife a Moredes). He tried to settle but they would not. They went to a second Bes Din that paskened against him. (against Halacha) They took away his son from his custody. (also against halacha)
There is a lot more to this story, but censorship on these forums don't allow the truth to come out.

My blood boils when I hear the word Moredes, and even more when I hear about trying to "settle". You mean extortion! Call the animal by its name.

If a husband doesn't give his wife a Get even if she is entirely wrong, he is causing her to go sin; and that's not acceptable. If a woman doesn't let her husband see his kids unless he gives her a certain amount, that too is extortion, and also not acceptable. When will we learn that in almost all Get cases there is no one 100 percent wrong and the other one being 100 percent right? It's always in between, and most of the time smack in between meaning 50/50. Let's stop this circus of whose ox is being gored.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

no matter what he did, as yidin, we do not beat pple up when we have a problem or a fight w them! we are not like the goyim

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:14 PM Yankala Says:

Reply to #20  
ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

I don't know all the details of this case, but that that he got a psak by a "chareidi" bes din SEEMS to have nothing to do with anything! Even if she is a moredes why hasn't he given a get? A moredes gets given a get even against her will, she doesn't get sent away without a get! Besides, did he have a hetter to to moser on wax? I don't know much and I'm sure there is much more to the story, but I'm definitely confused!

for your info, if she a Mordes in certain ways, she will have to pay him, and she go's out without Ksiba.
maybe this was the fight.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:44 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #24  
Yankala Says:

Anyone who went threw a Get in Israel like myself can testify, that the Butei Dinim there are full of it..., you can't trust them, and especially the the Rabanut, they will always be on the side of the woman no matter what.
lets make it clear, that i don't know this case, but it looks to me that she wanted to take away the best he had ever had - his kids + all his money for child support and so on, so he will never be able to start a new life again, and if this is the case he is totally right for refusing to give her a Get.
i can just hope, that the Rabunim will come out and say clear that this Mordas (according to the comments above) is still married to him Al Pee Halachah, and was a Get Misha.

If she wanted to take away his kids he is still wrong for refusing to give her a Get. Mordas has its Halochess and Me’iseh has its Halochess and she doesn’t become a Mordas just because we want her to, and the Get doesn’t become Me’iseh just because we want it too. We don’t get to decide what we like.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 04:55 PM stavnitzer Says:

Reply to #23  
OMG, WTF! Says:

Almost every single comment here on this story is complete Loshon Hora WITHOUT QUESTION.

And #12 "Thoughtful" (is that eName a joke?) is Choteh U'Machateh, actually ASKING for gossip.

I doubt that any of you writers know personally all the details, and even if you did, repeating them here is Loshon Hora.

Ask your local Rabbi if you don't understand this yourself.

What is VIN turning into? "PEOPLE" Magazine?

With a screen name like your....peoples magazine would not accept ur comments

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 05:06 PM fruppy1 Says:

He got his palm pilot taken? Who still owns a palm pilot?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 05:10 PM Anonymous Says:

No. 6 would you say the same if your daughter were to remain an Aguna and will never be able to marry again. Silence is a great virtue before you put your foot in your mouth (while wearing your winter boots)

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

29 comments. 29 maybe's. 29 I really don't know what happened. 29 useless obsevations without knowing the facts.

How about one No comment. Let the Rabbonim / legal authorities deal with facts. Treat the situation as if it were your daughter and grandchildren and as if he were your son. Take off your sunglasses.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 05:52 PM curious Says:

What is clear here is that nothing is clear. That said, no one today has the authority of kofin oso ad sheyomer rotzeh ani, against the psak of another beis din. All it provides is fodder for chilul shem shamayim.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:02 PM Yankala Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

29 comments. 29 maybe's. 29 I really don't know what happened. 29 useless obsevations without knowing the facts.

How about one No comment. Let the Rabbonim / legal authorities deal with facts. Treat the situation as if it were your daughter and grandchildren and as if he were your son. Take off your sunglasses.

Hey, how about... that there has been for years going on a massive dirty campaign against this Yingerman, (make a Google search in Hebrew and you'll see how low and dirty people can go).
so when you wash your dirty clothing in public people like to help you out...

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:05 PM mendel from 52 street Says:

i wonder what the people who beating up were thinking
this is america if you beat up you go to jail
did they think he wont make a police report?
its after 9-11 if you beat up someone he goes to the police

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:17 PM Anonymous Says:

CAN ANYONECONFIRM were they released yet

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:19 PM The_Truth Says:

Does anyone know the REAL story here, not just speculation?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:26 PM Gregaaron Says:

Reply to #31  
fruppy1 Says:

He got his palm pilot taken? Who still owns a palm pilot?

Not him anymore.

40

 Oct 20, 2010 at 06:49 PM hmmmm Says:

Reply to #23  
OMG, WTF! Says:

Almost every single comment here on this story is complete Loshon Hora WITHOUT QUESTION.

And #12 "Thoughtful" (is that eName a joke?) is Choteh U'Machateh, actually ASKING for gossip.

I doubt that any of you writers know personally all the details, and even if you did, repeating them here is Loshon Hora.

Ask your local Rabbi if you don't understand this yourself.

What is VIN turning into? "PEOPLE" Magazine?

WTF. What does that for ? Shame on you!

41

 Oct 20, 2010 at 07:06 PM in-the-know Says:

facts...
was "explained" what he has to do (by hired professionals), in front of askanim and rabanim involved, and forced to sign the get, which he did after some "convincing" !!!

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
mendel from 52 street Says:

i wonder what the people who beating up were thinking
this is america if you beat up you go to jail
did they think he wont make a police report?
its after 9-11 if you beat up someone he goes to the police

what in the world does this have to do with 9/11?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 07:23 PM Normal Says:

This case sounds complicated and I think people should not be commenting when they don't know all the details. Why not wait and when all the correct details are made public, then you can comment.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 07:46 PM BeKind Says:

Could someone please explain what a Moredes is. Thank you.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 08:08 PM Mooty Point Says:

The whole argument about get is a pointless argument, and NOONE knows what is going on! What IS known, to the press, the world and the FBI, is kidnapping and assault. THEY don't care a bit about get m'useh, kofin oso, moredes, etc. THEY care about locking up kidnappers.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 08:16 PM Oy vey Says:

What kind of world are we living in? If someone would tell me the story without using names, I would never believe that this was a frum couple beating people up.

Never mind the Chillul Hashem caused here. Beating up people is not my religion.

A shanda, to say the least.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 08:29 PM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

אמר שלמה ראיתי דמעת העשוקים ואין להם מנחם וכל מי שמתיר עגונה אחת בזמן כאלו בנה אחת מחרבות ירושלים העליונה להציל בחינה אחת מן אשת חיל וד"ל." (שו"ת ב"ח החדשות סימן סד).

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 09:25 PM bobov chossid Says:

Its very hard to know facts as long as you are not involved

There is a yungerman in boro park who doesn't want to give a get and goes arounds convincing the whole world how right he is and since he has a good mouth many people believe him
But when they get involved to help him they suddenly see how abusive he is to his wife and to everyone who thinks a bit different then him

This teaches me a lesson never take sides without knowing the facts

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 10:00 PM bigwheeel Says:

Poster # 20 (Proud Orthodox Jew); I know even less than you about this story. (And I usually don't comment on private conflicts or accusations about individuals.) But one point in your post cracked me up laughing. You ask (rhetorically) whether Mr. Briskman had a "Heter" from Rabbonim to go "Mosser" on the Waxes. How should he have gone to Bais din?!, in a wheelchair, all bloodied up with a broken nose. Probably, with some teeth missing, too.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 10:27 PM SHEPSEL Says:

If The Moredes is trying to take the kids,his money, his house and everything else this poor guy worked for, then he is right for not giving her a GET.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 10:58 PM mendel from 54 st Says:

I don't know who is right since I don't know the case
But there is no question that if someone gets beaten up he has to call police and not a ruv this is the halacha

Only am hahratzim claim that you need a ruv when you use violence shulchen aruch and poskim claim otherwise

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 11:03 PM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

Reply to Bigwheeel: lol but to be perfectly honest I wonder what the Halacha is in such a case. Would he have to get a hetter IF his LIFE isn't threatened?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 11:19 PM sanzerbubby Says:

Reply to #51- nobody is ever right in not giving his wife a get- but this unfortunate youngerman, a big talmid cacham, just wanted custody of his son, which the beis din gave him-many things happened to force him to leave Israel, and this site won"t let me post them here,but do not believe everything you hear. Her parents flew here Thursday and left here Sunday with the get, but we all know how much such a get is worth.They probably thought he would be too scared to maser on the thugs hired to beat him up-B'H it did'nt work out that way, and the story is out.

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 11:26 PM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

SOME MORE ABOUT YHE CASE: On Tuesday it was reported in the EY Chareidi press that after 4 years of not giving a get the infamous Briskman has finally given a get. The way it was reported there was that the husband and wife both come from choshuver families got married, had kids, but the shiduch didn't work out. When they went to BD briskman said he wants the apartment and until he gets it he won't give a get. He then ran away and over the past few years showed up all over the world. There were many letters from BD about him but to no avail. He even is (was) a wanted man in Israel for not giving a get and wasn't permitted to leave the state. He managed to escape and ran from place to place.
It is interesting to note that in none of the Hebrew chareidi articles that I read was there a mention of the guy getting a heter from any BD whatsoever! Morever his case made such headlines in Israel that it was even reported by Arutz Shevah that this guy wouldn't give his wife a get!
Somewhat more recently the BD in EY put him in complete cherem barring anyone to count him in a minyan hire him or help him in any which way weather regarding this issue or any thing else!
The story is reported that recently when the family Of the girl heared that he was in NY they hired the italion mafia to work on the situation.
A week ago the family was told that they may catch the guy and the girl and her mother flew in to America. The mafia caught the guy and although it's not known what the mafia did by the next day the guy came to a BD and said he wants to give a get. The girl quickly came and got the get and arrived back in EY yesterday!
It's interesting to note that this story came out before the wax's were arrested and before anyone knew anything about this case!
Another point to ponder is If it really was the Wax's who beat him how dumb would they be to show there faces?

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 Oct 20, 2010 at 11:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Yankela #24, you are wrong. Botei Din in EY rarely take the side of the wife. I know, I'm very involved with a case there & I got my secular lawyer cousin to look into the case. HE says the wife needs a cut-throat, no holds barred lawyer to destroy the husband before he kills his wife.

Which he tried to do, in front of their children. And yes, he did sit B"H. Not long enough, unfortunately.

Excuse my ignorance, but the only term I read here that I'm not familiar with is Moredes. Definition, please.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM Mooty Point Says:

Moser on someone who beat the kishka out of him??!!! You're kidding me!
I wonder if you, Mr. #20, get beaten to a pulp by a fellow Yid --- would YOU go to a bais din? I doubt it.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Askupeh Says:

If she keeps his kids from him, then she is also wrong, no if's and's or but's. So both are wrong, she for not letting him see his kids, and he for being Me'agen his wife. Why should WE take sides? Rather we should see to it that she let hims see his kids and him giving his wife a Get. Plain and simple?

yes you are right but you are forgeting that fathers live for their children and must do everything to get akesher with thier children. if he gives the get there is nothing to be machayiv her to let him see his son.so he has no choicebut to use the get as a weapon and rightfully so when it comes to children NOT FOR MONEY

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

אמר שלמה ראיתי דמעת העשוקים ואין להם מנחם וכל מי שמתיר עגונה אחת בזמן כאלו בנה אחת מחרבות ירושלים העליונה להציל בחינה אחת מן אשת חיל וד"ל." (שו"ת ב"ח החדשות סימן סד).

very true but who is an aguna? every lady who decides they hate their husbands and push them out of the house? then they limit visitation rights too and if you dont sighn final arrangements the way they want it oh aguna? As far as I know in all the poskim an aguna is only when the husband leaves by his choice (even not because of sholom bais problems ex overseas and the wife is stuck alone. an aguna is not when the wife throws him out then cryes get or aguna

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:00 AM mendel from 55 st Says:

Your life doesn't have to be in danger to get a heter to go to police
Any violence physical or even financial violence needs to be reported to the police al pi halucha
If you get beaten up go to the police

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 07:01 AM KAHANAwasRIGHT Says:

People making their own Torah, amazing. He didn't give a get so beat him up, besides how Sick this story is this is also a Get Me'Usoh, she is a Aishes Ish, L'chol Hadeios.

And those Animals that beat him up....

Lock 'em up & throw away the key!!!!

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

once a marraige is unfixable a get needs to be given -if she got the get -job well done -the waxs are very respectable people & i can see how ones blood can boil when either side is acting like abnoxious brat
this will be a fine get

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

#55- thanks for the good points

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 11:33 AM rav miller z"l Says:

said many times that witholding a get is a ONE WAY TICKET TO HELL -by no means are the woman always right but if the marraige has no way of working out - both neshomos need to move on and only after a get are the neshomos DISCONNECTED SPIRITUALLY & can be granted new lease on life

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 11:35 AM what!!?? Says:

#63...its not a kosher get if its forced.
#64....#55's story is not the whole truth. he was given his son, who was kept from him.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:00 PM honestly Says:

nobody would sit back and let their children be kept from them. that's what was done to the victim here. anyone that has kids would fight to see them. unless a man is abusive, his kids are his too.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:19 PM wooow Says:

Its no such thing not to give a get in hold hostage a bas yisrael not by Jewish Lew in not by american Lew, (2 if he is the zatik why didn't he call the wax couple to din torah

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 12:33 PM sanzerbubby Says:

I agree w/you- #55's story is not true- he could not ask for the apartment in the get process, as they did'nt own it- his father, a chasuv rav, gave his half of the money for the apartment, and her wealthy parents never came up w//their half- so she has the money now. This get was about him getting custody of his son, as was awarded to him by the first beis din, and they have the documents to prove it . When you have the arrogance to think you can go against halacha, play dirty to get your way, and publish lies about the other side, you may end up w/a get- but we all know what a forced get is worth- Maybe this will be a lesson to us all, and to her parents when trying to get a new shidduch for their daughter.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:00 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

yes you are right but you are forgeting that fathers live for their children and must do everything to get akesher with thier children. if he gives the get there is nothing to be machayiv her to let him see his son.so he has no choicebut to use the get as a weapon and rightfully so when it comes to children NOT FOR MONEY

I understand all this, but if this is acceptable then anarchy will reign supreme. The only solution I see to this and to every similar case is that the husband needs to give a Get unconditionally and Beth Din should then do everything in their power that he sees his kids fair and square. This horse trading that he will only give a Get if he gets custody of the children, or he will only give a Get if her father gives him a specific amount of ransom money, these tactics must stop. If my brother or sister did this I would not support them either. I would castigate them for this. If anything we should take the Botei Din to task for not doing their job. For those who don’t know, it was always an option of intimidating a man into giving his wife a Get, but all within reason, and supervision of a Vaad that deals with this. The Kapisher Rov ZT”L used to be the address for those cases in the sixties and seventies, dozens of Me’agnim were intimidated into giving their wife a Get and it was done with a Jewish heart, both for the husband and wife. Fin Vanet Nemt Men Ah Kapisher Rov? Fin Vanet nemt Men Ah Reb Yechezkal Wertzberger?

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:09 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

very true but who is an aguna? every lady who decides they hate their husbands and push them out of the house? then they limit visitation rights too and if you dont sighn final arrangements the way they want it oh aguna? As far as I know in all the poskim an aguna is only when the husband leaves by his choice (even not because of sholom bais problems ex overseas and the wife is stuck alone. an aguna is not when the wife throws him out then cryes get or aguna

What you are talking about is "revenge". A woman doesn't forfeit a Get just because she acted nastily. All this should be mitigated by a Beth Din, and husband and wife have no right to take matters into their own hand, where it is Kol De'alim Gevar, I hire the Italian Mafia and you hire the Russian Mafia.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:37 PM he tried Says:

to #70 & 71
he tried everything the right way but he couldn't get anywhere bc the problem was her father & his $$$.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:40 PM Truth Says:

It's hard for anyone to judge. I can hear both sides, but like they say there is always three sides -his, hers and the truth. I'm sure the truth will come out in court, sooner or later. My advice is don't get divorced, unless there are no other options. Go to one therapist to another- don't give up unless they all tell you to. One problem is you see that there are corrupt Battei Dinim. How could two botei dinim argue? There is only one metzious. We need to clean up these Botei Dinim ASAP!

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 01:46 PM bigwheeel Says:

Poster # 53 (Proud Orthodox Jew); Now, that I stopped laughing, I'm beginning to think that your question wasn't so out of range, after all. I am reminded of a case where one Religious person gave another a "Black Eye". The recipient went to the Emergency Room, where they asked him how it happened. He kept insisting that he fell. Protecting the "Puncher" who would have been arrested.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 02:01 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #72  
he tried Says:

to #70 & 71
he tried everything the right way but he couldn't get anywhere bc the problem was her father & his $$$.

I have no clue what happened in this particular story and you may be very much right, but what prompted my comments is my lifelong observation of this problem from every angle possible and it boils down, that we as a people have failed in dealing with this; that's why so many husbands and wives take advantage of this. My aim is to open up peoples eyes and maybe make a difference.

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 02:07 PM Askupeh Says:

Reply to #74  
bigwheeel Says:

Poster # 53 (Proud Orthodox Jew); Now, that I stopped laughing, I'm beginning to think that your question wasn't so out of range, after all. I am reminded of a case where one Religious person gave another a "Black Eye". The recipient went to the Emergency Room, where they asked him how it happened. He kept insisting that he fell. Protecting the "Puncher" who would have been arrested.

I just started laughing - after I just Chapt. Serious, this recipient is a Tzadik who did Lefnim Meshuras Hadin, Schorcho Harbeh Me'oid. If only we were all like that then all Gittin would go through peacefully, or even better, there would be no need for a Get. Who wouldn’t want to stay married to such a Tzadik or Tzadeikess?

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Askupeh Says:

I understand all this, but if this is acceptable then anarchy will reign supreme. The only solution I see to this and to every similar case is that the husband needs to give a Get unconditionally and Beth Din should then do everything in their power that he sees his kids fair and square. This horse trading that he will only give a Get if he gets custody of the children, or he will only give a Get if her father gives him a specific amount of ransom money, these tactics must stop. If my brother or sister did this I would not support them either. I would castigate them for this. If anything we should take the Botei Din to task for not doing their job. For those who don’t know, it was always an option of intimidating a man into giving his wife a Get, but all within reason, and supervision of a Vaad that deals with this. The Kapisher Rov ZT”L used to be the address for those cases in the sixties and seventies, dozens of Me’agnim were intimidated into giving their wife a Get and it was done with a Jewish heart, both for the husband and wife. Fin Vanet Nemt Men Ah Kapisher Rov? Fin Vanet nemt Men Ah Reb Yechezkal Wertzberger?

if your brother did this because he wanted visitation rights to his chil;dren you WOULD support him . at the end of the day the mother has the kids. And yu have no clue how much power she has to stop the kids from seeing thier own father. For those of us that have children this is the WORSE toture that a person could get in his life. Theonly tool to stop her from withholding visitation rights is not giving a get . what else should someone do. Once agin for money we don't live foi and therefore it is wrong to play around with the get for money but children are every fathers life

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
rav miller z"l Says:

said many times that witholding a get is a ONE WAY TICKET TO HELL -by no means are the woman always right but if the marraige has no way of working out - both neshomos need to move on and only after a get are the neshomos DISCONNECTED SPIRITUALLY & can be granted new lease on life

Rav miller held divorces are always assur no such thing as not working out you stay married and continue fighting. I must of heard it from his outh about 100 times that line

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 03:07 PM Alteh-Bucher Says:

Reply to #79  
Anonymous Says:

Rav miller held divorces are always assur no such thing as not working out you stay married and continue fighting. I must of heard it from his outh about 100 times that line

Are yop saying that R Miller was unaware of a parsha in the Torah?

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Alteh-Bucher Says:

Are yop saying that R Miller was unaware of a parsha in the Torah?

No but the parsha was said for extreme and I repeat extreme situations. he always use to say by his shurim how the mezbach cries by divorce. listen to his tapes his shita about divorce is very obvious it's not just one line that hethrew out once likeI said I heard him condemn divorces daily

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 07:37 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #78  
Anonymous Says:

if your brother did this because he wanted visitation rights to his chil;dren you WOULD support him . at the end of the day the mother has the kids. And yu have no clue how much power she has to stop the kids from seeing thier own father. For those of us that have children this is the WORSE toture that a person could get in his life. Theonly tool to stop her from withholding visitation rights is not giving a get . what else should someone do. Once agin for money we don't live foi and therefore it is wrong to play around with the get for money but children are every fathers life

78 anon. - I'll tell you what I did -took her to court. I don't know the legal system in Israel, but I'm sure the secular courts there would give him visiting rights. (If he isn't an abuser!) To withold the Get is pure torture. Are you allowed to torture somebody for money? Like I said this isn't because Bais Din took away his kids -he had the option of going to secular court. Better to go to court than to torture another human!

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 Oct 21, 2010 at 08:53 PM jackclock Says:

it really amazes me how pple can read a few paragraphs on the internet and then decide to condemn and pass judgements on the Waxes. as someone who is intimately involved in this case i can tell you that most of you have no clue what your talking about and are missing many many facts. the story is alot more complex then you think.

and no im not going to answer all your questions.

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 12:07 AM Yankala Says:

Reply to #83  
jackclock Says:

it really amazes me how pple can read a few paragraphs on the internet and then decide to condemn and pass judgements on the Waxes. as someone who is intimately involved in this case i can tell you that most of you have no clue what your talking about and are missing many many facts. the story is alot more complex then you think.

and no im not going to answer all your questions.

if you were involved in this case now after all details on the case came out, i hope you end up in Jail, on 700,000 bail, like this Tzadick mr. wax.

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #83  
jackclock Says:

it really amazes me how pple can read a few paragraphs on the internet and then decide to condemn and pass judgements on the Waxes. as someone who is intimately involved in this case i can tell you that most of you have no clue what your talking about and are missing many many facts. the story is alot more complex then you think.

and no im not going to answer all your questions.

here is the real story, writen in Hebrew, (can someone be so kind and translate it?)
הבעל הגיע לבית משפחת ווקס במוצ"ש בהמשך לסדרת ראיונות שנערכו במטרה להתקבל לעבודה בפרויקט תרי"ג מצוות אותו ניהל ווקס. הוא הוזמן לארוחת ערב ע"מ לסגור את פרטי העסקתו "ומכניסי האורחים" אף הגישו לו מרק ("הסעודה האחרונה"). במהלך הארוחה הכניסו ה"מארחים" את הבעל לחדר השינה בביתם באמתלה כלשהי. מיד עם כניסתו לחדר התנפלו עליו בריונים, קשרו את עיניו כפתו את ידיו ואת רגליו באזיקי ברזל והפילו אותו לרצפה כשפניו כלפי מטה. הם החלו לחבוט ולבעוט בו ללא רחם במשך דקות ארוכות כשמלבד קללות גסות הם אינם אומרים לו דבר. כל הזמן הזה "העסקן החשוב" ווקס משתתף במסע ההרג באופן פעיל. לאחר דקות ארוכות כשפניו טובלות בבריכת הדם, המכים עצמם מקריאים לו את נוסח הגט ומצווים עליו למנותם לשליחי הולכה של הגט. כל זאת תוך המשך מכות ובעיטות. וכאן מגיע החלק הנורא מכל, לאחר ש"הגט" בידיהם ממשיכים הבריונים ובתוכם ווקס להכות את האברך במשך מס שעות. בתוך כך מתקשר ווקס לאביו של הבעל המתגורר בישראל ומודיע לו כי בנו נתן את הגט אך כעת הם דורשים כופר תמורת שחרורו. הוא מודיע לאב שיש לו שעתיים להעביר 100000$ לידי משפחת שכטר ואם לא הם יהרגו את בנו. הוא מוסיף עוד כי גם לאב מצפה גורל דומה וכי מישהו ממתין מתחת לביתו של האב מוכן ומזומן לתקוע לו כדור בראש. לאחר

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 12:24 AM hotstuff Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

no matter what he did, as yidin, we do not beat pple up when we have a problem or a fight w them! we are not like the goyim

i agree you cant go around beating up ppl especially if your in the business of writing seforim, what is it one of the taryag mitzvos to beat a jew if you think he's wrong, and why did his wife "get " involved in beating up this guy, that really sounds nuts.

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 12:46 AM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

#85: Where are you quoting this version of events from? Which website?

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 12:56 AM ProudOrthodoxJew Says:

#85 as for me I'll bring sources. The following is from srugim.co.il בשורות טובות. סרבן הגט ישראל מאיר בריקסמן, אותר במקום מחבואו והסכים לתת גט לאישתו, כך מפרסם היום אתר "כיכר השבת". בכך מגיעה לקיצה פרשה ארוכה של עגינות, שגרמה להרבה חילול השם בעולם החרדי.

הפרשה מתחילה לפני קרוב לעשר שנים, כשהנישואים בין בני הזוג, שניהם ממשפחות מיוחסות ומכובדות, לא עלו יפה. במהלך הדיונים בבתי הדין, העלה בריסקמן דרישות שונות על מנת שיאות לתת את הגט. בין השאר דרש כי הילדים יישארו בחזקתו, לאחר שהושגה פשרה בעניין, דרש גם חצי מסכום הדירה שהובטחה לזוג אך לא נקנתה.

לאחר דיונים ארוכים ומתישים, בהם הוא מתחמק ממתן הגט, נעלם יום אחד בריסקמן ולא נראה עוד, כשההערכה הייתה כי הצליח להמלט מהארץ, על אף צו עיכוב היציאה שהוטל עליו ככל סרבן גט.

במשך השנים הופעל לחץ כבד על אביו, הרב משה זלמן בריסקמן, רב בית כנסת בשכונת קטמון בירושלים, כי ייצור קשר עם בנו ויורה לו לשלוח גט לאישה העגונה. מדי פעם עלתה ברשת קריאה לבריסקמן לחזור בתשובה ולתת גט, כשמציינים את מספר ימי העגינות של אשתו.

גם בית הדין של הרבנות הראשית נחלץ לטובת העגונה ולפני כשנתיים הטיל על בריסקמן נידוי בו נאמר כי אין לצרפו למניין, אין להיטיב עימו בכל צורה שהיא, כולל הכנסת אורחים וביקור חולים, אין לאפשר לו ללמוד וללמד במסגרת ישיבתית או במסגרת כולל לאברכים וכמו כן, אין לאכסן אותו בין בתשלום ובין שלא בתשלום".

גם נידוי זה לא הועיל, ולכן הכניס בית הדין את בריסקמן לרשימת "המבוקשים", סרבני הגט, בו הם מבקשים עזרה מהציבור בכל פרט שיכול לסייע לאיתורו.

כאמור, בימים האחרונים, אותר מקום מחבואו של בריסקמן והוא שוכנע או אולץ לכתוב ולחתום על גט לאישתו.

בבית הוריו של בריסקמן, סירבו להגיב. במשרד בית הדין, נמסר כי הם מנועים מלהתייחס לנושאים כאלה.

מקורבים לעגונה המשוחררת, מסרו, שאין לתאר את התרגשותה ושמחתה, על כך שתוכל להקים מחדש בית בישראל. הגורם ציין כי מדובר באישה איכותית שנפלה קורבן למצב שנוצר.

איננו יודעים מי אחראי על סיום הפרשה, אבל ראוי לצטט במקרה זה את דברי ר' יואל סירקש בעל ה"בית חדש" בתשובותיו: "אמר שלמה ראיתי דמעת העשוקים ואין להם מנחם וכל מי שמתיר עגונה אחת בזמן כאלו בנה אחת מחרבות ירושלים העליונה להציל בחינה אחת מן אשת חיל וד"ל." (שו"ת ב"ח החדשות סימן סד).

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 01:06 AM hotstuff Says:

putting the story of the husband and wife aside for a minute, beating up another person is not the right thing to do, with out a psak from bais din, esepcially for some one who is involved in writing seforim, is it one of of the taryag mitzvos to beat a fellow jew, weard, boy whats this world up to, i really hope its not true, besides did mrs W help her husband in beating up this guy thats double strange, tznyeus??? im sure it cant be true, and whats their shaychos to the whole case, reb w isnt a violent person at least i didnt think so, hes got to get back to playing basketball swimming and learning.

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 01:28 AM the truth Says:

the israeli newspapers were told the 'italian mafia' story by the girls father $$$. he can't tell the truth...that he got someone to beat up his son in law, bc then that's accesory & leting everyone know the get isn't kosher bc it was forced.

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 Oct 22, 2010 at 02:19 PM sanzer bubby says Says:

Just imagine the implications if our justice system was as corrupt as the system in Israel. If you don't like the verdict in the Beis Din, just make sure you get a second one w/buddies on it, and a verdict you like. If your son-in-law doesn't play ball, and like going to jail, how unfair of him to leave the country! So now you're forced to look for him for years, and pay big bucks to get a forced get out of him. So be careful w/your wealthier in-laws, and if things don't work out, let's hope they are erhlich enough to follow halacha and not take things in their own hands.

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 Oct 23, 2010 at 09:05 PM bklyn Says:

Were they released?

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 Oct 24, 2010 at 12:34 AM jackclock Says:

Reply to #84  
Yankala Says:

if you were involved in this case now after all details on the case came out, i hope you end up in Jail, on 700,000 bail, like this Tzadick mr. wax.

so because i know the truth therefore i belong in jail?

if you didnt sound so stupid i would think you were joking.

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 Oct 24, 2010 at 12:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #92  
bklyn Says:

Were they released?

yes baruch hashem

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 Oct 24, 2010 at 09:45 PM joseph Says:

Only Judy Wax was released on 400,000 bail. David Was is still in jail being held for 750,000 bail.

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 Oct 25, 2010 at 09:46 PM jackclock Says:

they were both released

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 Oct 25, 2010 at 10:59 PM ProudGetWithholder Says:

None of us know what the facts are. There is no document from the bais din which is anyways controversial. Most here don't even have an idea what the stakes are. Often, a get is the only michayev to have the woman comply to let him get his rights. and just because one party simply wants a get doesn't make them entitled to it.Also it is important to realize that the unfortunate fact is that too many botei dinin, nowadays cannot be trusted.

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 Oct 26, 2010 at 03:42 AM yashrus Says:

I am not going to argue which version of the story is true, nor even get into which side is right . But you're missing the point. Maybe - just maybe - an argument can be made in favor of forcing a husband who refuses to give a get to give a get. Maybe-- just maybe -- such a get is kosher But that is not the real crime. I heard the recording of the phone call to the husband's parents. Nobody bothered to hide the phone number from which it came -- Wax. The person on the other side (presumably Wax ) said in American Hebrew that it was all over, Yisroel had given a get, but that now there was a special gift for him (the husband's father) a כדור בראש -- a bullet in the head. He seemed to like the sound of that phrase because he repeated it several times. He also said that the same fate awaited his son. He showed how he knew the movements of the father, and said that if $100,000. were not given within 2 hours to the wife's family they would both be dead. When the father asked what they wanted from him since the get was already given, and protested that he did not have that kind of money, he just said that that was his problem. That crime cannot be condoned in any way!

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 Oct 26, 2010 at 09:56 PM Mivakesh Emes Says:

Anyone who is foolish enough to think that Judy Wax had ANYTHING to do with this is simply operating in the dark. Not only would she never ever touch a man, but she would never touch ANYONE in a harmful way. Dovid Wax also never laid a hand on the me'agen. He is simply not a violent person. The truth will come out.

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 Nov 01, 2010 at 09:08 PM joseph Says:

So who beat him to near death in the Wax's home?

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