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Holon, Israel - A prominent Israeli rabbi has issued a religious decree forbidding Jewish women from driving or learning to drive unless absolutely necessary.
The order by Rabbi Avraham Yosef prohibits women from driving, especially in Israeli cities predominantly inhabited by ultraorthodox Jews, Ahram Online news website reported.
Yosef is the chief rabbi in the city of Holon and is the son of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef—Shas’ spiritual leader.
The Jewish figure justified the decree by saying that driving for women does not reflect modesty or chastity, especially in cities mostly inhabited by religious people.
The influential rabbi, Avraham Yosef, has said women should not get behind a wheel unless absolutely necessary.
He has justified his decree by saying that driving for women does not reflect modesty or chastity, especially in cities inhabited by religious people.
Yosef is reportedly not the first Jewish rabbi to issue such an order.
Rabbi Shmuel Halevi issued a similar prohibition forbidding women from driving, arguing seductive appearance of women distracted men drivers and thus resulted in a large number of traffic accidents.
Member of Knesset and head of the house’s committee on the status of women Tzipi Hotovely criticized the order, saying it negatively affects the assimilation of Israeli women and described driving as a daily routine a woman must perform.
Hotovely said that taking into consideration religious Jewish families have a large number of children, driving becomes a necessity.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:14 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This decree makes no sense at all. If a woman is dressed modestly, why can't she be permitted to drive? In Saudi Arabia, women are also prohibited from driving.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:20 AM Normal Says:Report as Inappropriate
Is driving a horse and cart ok?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:21 AM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
That's right!
Women should stay home and raise a family, not have to go out and work to support deadbeat husbands!
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:21 AM lamdan Says:Report as Inappropriate
My Rebbe was way ahead of him he banned women driving all ready in the early 1980s
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:30 AM Babishka Says:Report as Inappropriate
If Iranian media is the only source for this story, then it's a bunch of baloney.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:36 AM 5towns Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is scary..... How about if we get tinted windows? I am not one to bash rabbonim but ...
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:39 AM yaakov doe Says:Report as Inappropriate
Great idea! This should apply to Boro Park and Fltabush too. Think of the improvement in traffic flow and parking if we can get those cell phone using SUV driving women off the road. Added benefits in addition to the improved modesty.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 08:50 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
So it's ok for women to be the breadwinner as long as she does it by foot or bus (sitting in the back of course). Why a woman would want to be a bt in this day of so called leaders would be definition of insanity and masochism. Can you imagine working your fingers to the bone and getting no recognition just one punishment after another.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:01 AM 12345 Says:Report as Inappropriate
anyonw whos been to boro park can tell you that if safety is the concern the should just ban all Jews from driving.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:02 AM jewishmother Says:Report as Inappropriate
Fine. Now provide every woman with a husband who will work to support her, run errands, treat her properly so she doesn't end up divorced, not die and leave her with a bunch of kids to support and transport, and make it totally unnecessary for her to drive.
If you want women to act as ideal women, tell the men to start living up to their responsibilities as men. And if HaKadosh Baruch Hu puts a woman in a situation where she has to take on roles which you deem "immodest" then take it up with Him.
As to the "unchaste" accusation - in Muslim countries where women are not permitted to work in "manly" capacities, widows are forced to support their children through begging and prostitution. Limiting women's capacity to work in the world is the single driving force for unchastity there.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:03 AM YOELYG Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thanks rabbi yosef,
כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה
Women belongs @ home its against the Torah & not idle to be outside
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:17 AM cantoresq Says:Report as Inappropriate
Consider the source of this story: Press TV. Here is there self styled description:
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
YOELYG
How do you explain the countless gedolim who were supported by working women?
The chofetz chaim's wife owned a store did she not?
There are many chumros coming out of eretz yisrael lately. I have no chiyev to take them on when not one of the gedolim in recent history supported this point of view.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:40 AM PrettyBoyFloyd Says:Report as Inappropriate
The roads would definitely be safer.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:40 AM Isaac1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Fine. Now provide every woman with a husband who will work to support her, run errands, treat her properly so she doesn't end up divorced, not die and leave her with a bunch of kids to support and transport, and make it totally unnecessary for her to drive.
If you want women to act as ideal women, tell the men to start living up to their responsibilities as men. And if HaKadosh Baruch Hu puts a woman in a situation where she has to take on roles which you deem "immodest" then take it up with Him.
As to the "unchaste" accusation - in Muslim countries where women are not permitted to work in "manly" capacities, widows are forced to support their children through begging and prostitution. Limiting women's capacity to work in the world is the single driving force for unchastity there. ”
They skipped that part of the torah. In fact, I have no idea why we still bother signing a kesubah today, since everything the husband obligates himself with is total sheker. SHE should be giving HIM the kesubah. This is a whole new concept in yiddishkeit. It was never thus throughout our history. And then they want to talk about mesorah...
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Jan 04, 2011 at 09:52 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:Report as Inappropriate
I think women should be banned from existence. We should reproduce by cloning males. Ubiarta hara mekirbecha. Only then will we hasten the coming of moshiach tzidkeinu. Also, we should censor out all the females from the heilige toireh. Enough will all of this pritzus.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:04 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ YOELYG
How do you explain the countless gedolim who were supported by working women?
The chofetz chaim's wife owned a store did she not?
There are many chumros coming out of eretz yisrael lately. I have no chiyev to take them on when not one of the gedolim in recent history supported this point of view. ”
Indeed.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Thanks rabbi yosef,
כל כבודה בת מלך פנימה
Women belongs @ home its against the Torah & not idle to be outside ”
Continued....
So if they expose their pinky, it is their fault that men go astray and have bad thoughts. It is not the responsibility of men to watch and be careful of what we look at. “Lo Sasurru Achari Levavchem …V’Anachem” means thatWOMEN should not make men go after their hearts desires and eyes wants.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:12 AM TorahTruth Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ My Rebbe was way ahead of him he banned women driving all ready in the early 1980s ”
Your Rebbe also still wears clothing from the 18th century... what's your point???
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:14 AM KACH613 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Just like there is no drinking and driving so 2 no women should be driving it will save a lot of lives!!
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:17 AM Shlomo2 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Rav Yosef said no such thing.
Here is the direct quote:
האם יש בעיה מבחינת צניעות שאישה נוהגת ברכב ? האם מותר לה ?
התשובה:
מאת: הרב אברהם יוסף
בכל מקום יש לנהוג כפי הוראות הרבנים במקום, ולכן בני ברק ראוי להימנע.
וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:29 AM Nobody Says:Report as Inappropriate
Until there is a more reliable source for this story, I'm not buying it. Especially the quote from "Rabbi Shmuel HaLevi" (Did they mean Vosner?). That sounds very Muslim in attitude.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:37 AM clear-thinker Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So it's ok for women to be the breadwinner as long as she does it by foot or bus (sitting in the back of course). Why a woman would want to be a bt in this day of so called leaders would be definition of insanity and masochism. Can you imagine working your fingers to the bone and getting no recognition just one punishment after another. ”
You are being silly. The bocher will take time off from his studies to drive his breadwinner to work and then home again. If she makes enough money maybe she can take a taxi. Wait the yeshiva can hire school buses to take the women to work. Why would she sit in the back of the bus when all the men are learning?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:52 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:Report as Inappropriate
"seductive appearance of women distracted men drivers and thus resulted in a large number of traffic accidents..."
I have no words.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just like there is no drinking and driving so 2 no women should be driving it will save a lot of lives!! ”
What a brilliant analogy.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 11:05 AM davidj Says:Report as Inappropriate
What yeshiva did Rabbi Avraham Yosef attend and where does he give lectures (shiurim)?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 11:27 AM cantoresq Says:Report as Inappropriate
I seem to recall, some time ago, a controversy surrounding women and seat belts. Apparently, the shoulder strap was deemed immodest for women or girls looking for shidduchim.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 11:32 AM Moish Says:Report as Inappropriate
I guess the chareidi women will start bicycling instead to raise the level of tznius in Bnei Brak.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 11:46 AM Kol Kvodah bas Melech Penima Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Rav Yosef said no such thing.
Here is the direct quote:
האם יש בעיה מבחינת צניעות שאישה נוהגת ברכב ? האם מותר לה ?
התשובה:
מאת: הרב אברהם יוסף
בכל מקום יש לנהוג כפי הוראות הרבנים במקום, ולכן בני ברק ראוי להימנע.
וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח. ”
His words are taken completely out of context.
How do all Yidden understand what Chazal say: "Kol Kvodah bas Melech Penima"?
It means not a "ban" and not and "issur" but rather what is preferable for a Bas Melech for her greater Kovod.
Even a Ben Chomesh Lemikra, a 5 year old who learns Chumash knows that Dina suffered the worse consequences that any women can ever fear, as a result of being outside to much (the opposite of Penima).
It is not a "sin" and nor is there any "ban" nor "issur" for a women to even WALK outside "too much" or unnecessarily.
As for the general terms (NOT a ban) of his words: "וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח
That applies even to WALKING outside לצורך מותרות and it is the best guarantee to avoid a situation which made Dina suffer.
In this regard לצורך מותרות walking or driving is the same - it's preferable to stay inside" if you can.
As for using a taxi, that is a million times worse. It is FAR better for a women to drive than use a Taxi since 99.99% of all Taxi's are men and that is not just a matter of Hidur, nor excessive "Tznius" since it has happened even in NY that women have had Dina type of consequences as a result.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ His words are taken completely out of context.
How do all Yidden understand what Chazal say: "Kol Kvodah bas Melech Penima"?
It means not a "ban" and not and "issur" but rather what is preferable for a Bas Melech for her greater Kovod.
Even a Ben Chomesh Lemikra, a 5 year old who learns Chumash knows that Dina suffered the worse consequences that any women can ever fear, as a result of being outside to much (the opposite of Penima).
It is not a "sin" and nor is there any "ban" nor "issur" for a women to even WALK outside "too much" or unnecessarily.
As for the general terms (NOT a ban) of his words: "וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח
That applies even to WALKING outside לצורך מותרות and it is the best guarantee to avoid a situation which made Dina suffer.
In this regard לצורך מותרות walking or driving is the same - it's preferable to stay inside" if you can.
As for using a taxi, that is a million times worse. It is FAR better for a women to drive than use a Taxi since 99.99% of all Taxi's are men and that is not just a matter of Hidur, nor excessive "Tznius" since it has happened even in NY that women have had Dina type of consequences as a result. ”
That's right. Keep them home barefoot and pregnant where they belong.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ His words are taken completely out of context.
How do all Yidden understand what Chazal say: "Kol Kvodah bas Melech Penima"?
It means not a "ban" and not and "issur" but rather what is preferable for a Bas Melech for her greater Kovod.
Even a Ben Chomesh Lemikra, a 5 year old who learns Chumash knows that Dina suffered the worse consequences that any women can ever fear, as a result of being outside to much (the opposite of Penima).
It is not a "sin" and nor is there any "ban" nor "issur" for a women to even WALK outside "too much" or unnecessarily.
As for the general terms (NOT a ban) of his words: "וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח
That applies even to WALKING outside לצורך מותרות and it is the best guarantee to avoid a situation which made Dina suffer.
In this regard לצורך מותרות walking or driving is the same - it's preferable to stay inside" if you can.
As for using a taxi, that is a million times worse. It is FAR better for a women to drive than use a Taxi since 99.99% of all Taxi's are men and that is not just a matter of Hidur, nor excessive "Tznius" since it has happened even in NY that women have had Dina type of consequences as a result. ”
29: I've never seen a taxi that's a man. They're mostly cars, but some are SUVs.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:08 PM Isaac1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ YOELYG
How do you explain the countless gedolim who were supported by working women?
The chofetz chaim's wife owned a store did she not?
There are many chumros coming out of eretz yisrael lately. I have no chiyev to take them on when not one of the gedolim in recent history supported this point of view. ”
So you're saying that the countless men learning today are of the caliber of the chofetz chaim! That IS something.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:12 PM ShatzMatz Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ His words are taken completely out of context.
How do all Yidden understand what Chazal say: "Kol Kvodah bas Melech Penima"?
It means not a "ban" and not and "issur" but rather what is preferable for a Bas Melech for her greater Kovod.
Even a Ben Chomesh Lemikra, a 5 year old who learns Chumash knows that Dina suffered the worse consequences that any women can ever fear, as a result of being outside to much (the opposite of Penima).
It is not a "sin" and nor is there any "ban" nor "issur" for a women to even WALK outside "too much" or unnecessarily.
As for the general terms (NOT a ban) of his words: "וככלל אין להתיר לצורך מותרות אלא במקום שיש הכרח
That applies even to WALKING outside לצורך מותרות and it is the best guarantee to avoid a situation which made Dina suffer.
In this regard לצורך מותרות walking or driving is the same - it's preferable to stay inside" if you can.
As for using a taxi, that is a million times worse. It is FAR better for a women to drive than use a Taxi since 99.99% of all Taxi's are men and that is not just a matter of Hidur, nor excessive "Tznius" since it has happened even in NY that women have had Dina type of consequences as a result. ”
Actually, Dina was ounished because she stayed inside. (Look it up in Rashi, she was hidden in a box when they met Eisav, because Yakov didnt want Eisav to fall for her, that is the reason she fell in with Shechem.)
But what you are saying about taxis and car services is true. People have a problem with women driving, but they have no problems sending their wives and daughters with low-life cabbies at all hours of the night, all dressed up for a wedding. This is the ultimate hipocracy.
The same people who object to women driving also make sure to have a bunch of kids. It is inevitable that everyday children have to dropped off at school, doctor etc.. It is just cruel.
The lifestyle we have chosen for ourselves in the 21st century absolutely requires driving. It is one of the least objectionable parts of our choice of living in busy metroplitan areas.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:16 PM Internet-Assur Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I think women should be banned from existence. We should reproduce by cloning males. Ubiarta hara mekirbecha. Only then will we hasten the coming of moshiach tzidkeinu. Also, we should censor out all the females from the heilige toireh. Enough will all of this pritzus. ”
Great Idea!
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Jan 04, 2011 at 12:43 PM MeirYaakov Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ YOELYG
How do you explain the countless gedolim who were supported by working women?
The chofetz chaim's wife owned a store did she not?
There are many chumros coming out of eretz yisrael lately. I have no chiyev to take them on when not one of the gedolim in recent history supported this point of view. ”
The Chofetz Chaim and his wife both worked at the store; she managed it and he did the bookkeeping (he was known for being very good at mathematics, which was very important in those days when the accounting had to be done by hand) in addition to working.
Both husband and wife working at the family business was not uncommon in Jewish communities in Europe.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 01:35 PM Crusty Says:Report as Inappropriate
Wahabbi or Haradi?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This idea is ludicrous. If driving for women is immodest because it will cause men to look at them, and cause accidents, then we must also ban walking for women, or an avenue which will put women in a public forum. Maybe men should drive with paper bags over their heads, for I am sure it will not affect the quality of their driving.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 02:27 PM What happened to Dina and WHY? Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Actually, Dina was ounished because she stayed inside. (Look it up in Rashi, she was hidden in a box when they met Eisav, because Yakov didnt want Eisav to fall for her, that is the reason she fell in with Shechem.)
But what you are saying about taxis and car services is true. People have a problem with women driving, but they have no problems sending their wives and daughters with low-life cabbies at all hours of the night, all dressed up for a wedding. This is the ultimate hipocracy.
The same people who object to women driving also make sure to have a bunch of kids. It is inevitable that everyday children have to dropped off at school, doctor etc.. It is just cruel.
The lifestyle we have chosen for ourselves in the 21st century absolutely requires driving. It is one of the least objectionable parts of our choice of living in busy metroplitan areas. ”
ShatzMatz,
I'm surpirsed you don't know a befereshe Posuk in Chumash with Rashi:
The Torah says: “Vatetze Dina bas Leah”, Dina the daughter of Leah went out. Rashi wonders why she is called Dina the daughter of Leah and not Dina the daughter of Yaakov.
Rashi quotes the well-known Midrash and says that Dina learned how to be a “yatzanis”, one who “goes out” - she learned this sort of behavior from her mother Leah, says Rashi.
Every 4 or 5 year old who learns Chumash, in Cheder, knows this.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I am embarrassed for our people when the people given the opportunity to lead our religion are debating topics that were never a problem, never will be a problem and only cause more problems.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 02:55 PM Lot Tosifu Veloy Sigreu Says:Report as Inappropriate
There is a famous vort from our sages on the Pasuk of Loy Sosifu Veloy Sigreu that the Loy Tosifu causes the sin of Loy Sigreu.
Once you start to make up your own "Chumros" (not al pi Torah), it leads to the opposite - ultimately one will end up doing less Torah and Mitzvos not more.
For example:
Hashem said not eat the Eitz Hadaas.
But Chava wanted to make her own new "CHUMROS"
Chava decided on the "CHUMRA" and so she said it may also not be touched.
Then she shows that she can touch it and nothing happens.... This CHUMRA YESERA, caused the Chet Eitz Hadaas.
Once you start making up your own Torah, there is no end to how far you can go. The Conservative and Reform hit bottom in this but it begins with making Chumros which are invalid al pi Torah.
Remember that everyone lost all respect for all Rabbonim when they started making isurim against Shmeltzer and other concerts.
When a rav starts making Chumros Yeseros, in the end people mistakenly disregard, not only the Chumra Yesera, but ultimately take lightly and disregard whatever this rav will say later, even an absolute Chiyuv, thinking that IT TOO, is only a Chumra Yesera.
Kol Hamosif Goreah
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Jan 04, 2011 at 03:07 PM basmelech Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ YOELYG
How do you explain the countless gedolim who were supported by working women?
The chofetz chaim's wife owned a store did she not?
There are many chumros coming out of eretz yisrael lately. I have no chiyev to take them on when not one of the gedolim in recent history supported this point of view. ”
the Chofetz Chaimand his wife didn't have a car. Life was much different in those days. People rarely traveled out of their shtetls and if they did they probably took a train or hired a horse and wagon. Our modern lifestyle doesn't leave much choice. Kids don't walk to school and when they don't have buses who's going to take them to school? How are the errands supposed to get done - shopping, doctor appts. , dry cleaning, etc. Not everyone can afford taxis all the time. I don't know how the Chassidishe women do it, but, I need a car and I am very frum and tsniusdik. I think it is more tsniusdik to drive your own car than to go with public transportation or with a male taxi driver.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 03:11 PM ShmuelG Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "seductive appearance of women distracted men drivers and thus resulted in a large number of traffic accidents..."
I have no words. ”
Thar's interesting. Usually when readers have nothing to say, they don't post. But this one thinks he is so important that others are just dying to hear what he has to say. So as a service to us all he is in a hurry to tell us that he indeed has nothing to say. Thank you!
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Jan 04, 2011 at 03:26 PM Yerachmiel Says:Report as Inappropriate
For once I am speechless. But nowadays a charedi rav has no future if he can't outdo the other on chumras. It just hurts the community but it is good for a career. The shulchan aruch has become irrelevant.
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Jan 04, 2011 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So it's ok for women to be the breadwinner as long as she does it by foot or bus (sitting in the back of course). Why a woman would want to be a bt in this day of so called leaders would be definition of insanity and masochism. Can you imagine working your fingers to the bone and getting no recognition just one punishment after another. ”
Great idea. The pregnant woman, holding tons of shopping bags while running errands after finishing work plus running to pick up her baby from the sitter and pushing that stroller should walk , while her lazy able-bodied husband drives around in his comfortable car. Nice. Taliban anyone?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 06:09 PM delusional people Says:Report as Inappropriate
It is a terrible shame that our Jewish community has become so weak-minded that they cannot see a woman driving without their hormones overcoming their self-control.
Hundreds of millions of non-Jewish drivers appear to be able to drive alongside women drivers without going sex-crazy,
It is a real pity that it is only the tiny fraction of frum, ultra-ultra-desirable women drivers are causing a problem for frum Jewish men.
Obviously less modest non-Jewish drivers do not appear to be of any concern, which is hard to understand.
If female drivers in general make frum male drivers incapacitated with desire, since we can't ban shiksa drivers, wouldn't it make more sense to keep the MEN off the roads until they learn to control themselves?
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Jan 04, 2011 at 06:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Great idea. The pregnant woman, holding tons of shopping bags while running errands after finishing work plus running to pick up her baby from the sitter and pushing that stroller should walk , while her lazy able-bodied husband drives around in his comfortable car. Nice. Taliban anyone? ”
You may be on to something! Perhaps if she wears a Burka, she'll be allowed to drive!
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Jan 04, 2011 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Men in cars can just as easily be distracted by a women crossing the street. Is this about "tzinius" or a way of preventing women from seeking serious means of education, employment, independence, etc...
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Jan 04, 2011 at 10:43 PM Rabbi Pinchos Woolstone Says:Report as Inappropriate
This may influence a minority of religious families, but will have no effect on the majority.
There seems to be an ever increasing desire in certain Rabbinic circles to look to restrict people in any way possible.
Let us follow the "Middle Path" of the Holy Rambam.
The Torah should not become Jihadist in its interpretation.
The People of Israel both in our Holy Land and the Diaspora will not be drawn to our Mesorah by extreme prounoucements by thoughtless leaders.
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Jan 05, 2011 at 12:42 AM ablydec Says:Report as Inappropriate
Reply to #42. "Usually when readers have nothing to say, they don't post.". Hee hee. That's the funniest line I read all night!
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Jan 05, 2011 at 02:51 PM 5TResident Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ anyonw whos been to boro park can tell you that if safety is the concern the should just ban all Jews from driving. ”
Gut gezugt!
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Jan 05, 2011 at 03:09 PM Yerachmiel Says:Report as Inappropriate
The title of this story should really be "Israeli Rabbi Bans Women." The point of tznius is to have women be able to do necessary transactions in public. What next? Will someone invent a way to have women be invisible except to their family and even then not at all times?