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Published on: February 1, 2011 07:50 PM
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New Jersey - The application for a controversial Hebrew charter school in Englewood, N.J., includes letters of support from two prominent Orthodox pulpit rabbis, as well as from several other high-profile Jewish leaders.

Rabbi Menachem Genack, CEO for kashrut at the Orthodox Union and spiritual leader of Englewood’s Shomrei Emunah, contributed a letter of support that was part of Shalom Academy’s 2010 charter application, as did Rabbi Shmuel Goldin of Congregation Ahavath Torah.

Other well-known Jews providing letters of support include author and TV personality Rabbi Shmuley Boteach and Foundation for Jewish Camp CEO Jeremy Fingerman, both Englewood residents.

The application was first posted late last week on the Englewood public school district’s website.

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 Feb 01, 2011 at 11:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Velozhin closed down because the rosh yeshiva felt it necessary to take a stand against mandatory secular subjects. Then yedin came to America and we were forced to accept schools that taught secular subjects but at least we kept religious studies as the primary. Now we have fallen to the level were we can rationalize sending frum kids to a school that isn't even allowed to teach torah!
How can any orthodox rav sign on to this?!

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 08:42 AM Poor_Jew Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Velozhin closed down because the rosh yeshiva felt it necessary to take a stand against mandatory secular subjects. Then yedin came to America and we were forced to accept schools that taught secular subjects but at least we kept religious studies as the primary. Now we have fallen to the level were we can rationalize sending frum kids to a school that isn't even allowed to teach torah!
How can any orthodox rav sign on to this?!

Maybe he can see the writing on the wall. Many jewish day school parents are suffering financially. With little financial assistance from schools there are those who can no longer afford the cost of private schooling for their children. Charter schools does not mean that the children will go without a jewish education. It is almost impossible to keep up with the rising cost of living. It will be more affordable to send a child to a charter school and hire a teacher for a small group of children for a couple of hours a day then it is to send them to a jewish day school full time. I would suggest that the children will benefit more from being in a smaller group instead of a class of 25 to 30.

What would you suggest?

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 08:50 AM DemsBeBabies Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Velozhin closed down because the rosh yeshiva felt it necessary to take a stand against mandatory secular subjects. Then yedin came to America and we were forced to accept schools that taught secular subjects but at least we kept religious studies as the primary. Now we have fallen to the level were we can rationalize sending frum kids to a school that isn't even allowed to teach torah!
How can any orthodox rav sign on to this?!

Yeahivas Vilozhon did not close down for not wanting to teach limudei chol, no matter what rebbe or rabbi told you such nonsense. It was that the limudei chol was being forced as the ikkur, in the morning. Had the govt then allowed it to be like here in the USA, limudei kodeah, then chol, then the Netziv would have kept the Yeshiva open. And before you that I'm nuts or lying, understand that this comes from the Torah Temimah!

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 12:12 PM Anonymous Says:

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Poor_Jew Says:

Maybe he can see the writing on the wall. Many jewish day school parents are suffering financially. With little financial assistance from schools there are those who can no longer afford the cost of private schooling for their children. Charter schools does not mean that the children will go without a jewish education. It is almost impossible to keep up with the rising cost of living. It will be more affordable to send a child to a charter school and hire a teacher for a small group of children for a couple of hours a day then it is to send them to a jewish day school full time. I would suggest that the children will benefit more from being in a smaller group instead of a class of 25 to 30.

What would you suggest?

I suggest home schooling. It would be better to hire a private rebbe/tutor for a bunch of kids and host it in a shul or house. Like the original big yeshivas started in the early 20th century. This can be done for far less than a yeshiva tuition.
Allowing your kids to go to a school where you can't teach torah sends exactly the wrong message to these children. Our ancestors died for the right to teach torah. The early american jews sacrificed everything to start the early yeshivos. So many parents these days put cars, houses, vacations, bungalow colonies etc in their budget and then run to the yeshivos claiming poverty.
If frum parents start sending their kids to charter schools then the kiruv programs will unfortunately have a lot more "business".
Hypocrisy doesn't work with kids. If they see parents sacrificing everything to send them to a yeshiva then they can on some level be machshiv torah.
If they see there parents have no problem sending them to a school that doesnt allow torah then why should they pay attention to the after school learning program? How important can torah be if mom/dad doesn't sacrifice for it? Unfortunately these parents will reap sorrow from this.

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Velozhin closed down because the rosh yeshiva felt it necessary to take a stand against mandatory secular subjects. Then yedin came to America and we were forced to accept schools that taught secular subjects but at least we kept religious studies as the primary. Now we have fallen to the level were we can rationalize sending frum kids to a school that isn't even allowed to teach torah!
How can any orthodox rav sign on to this?!

Velozhin was the exception. You think that all Jews went to yeshivas all day and learned nothing but gemara. The truth is different. My father grew up in a small, very frum shtetl, and every child had to go to Polish school during the morning. In the afternoon, the boys went to cheder; the better-off girls had Hebrew tutors, but most of the other girls didn't.

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Velozhin was the exception. You think that all Jews went to yeshivas all day and learned nothing but gemara. The truth is different. My father grew up in a small, very frum shtetl, and every child had to go to Polish school during the morning. In the afternoon, the boys went to cheder; the better-off girls had Hebrew tutors, but most of the other girls didn't.

You can not institutionalize am haratzus and hope for a good outcome. It didn't work in the early 20th century and it wont work now. How many generations of jews were lost to the public school generations.
This has been done already and it failed. You can not send kids to a public school and expect them to stay frum. And don't tell me charter schools are different just because there is some hebrew taught there. Hebrew without the torah is just a language.
This will cause nothing but trouble. I don't even support it for non frum parents. There should be 3 options, frum yeshivos, frum homeschooling or public schools. That way non-frum parents will have to look seriously at the dreck coming out of public schools and hopefully choose a frum yeshiva. The availablity of another choice, a supposedly "safe" choice gives them another option. And it shouldn't be an option because it is nothing more than a public school with some hebrew.

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

You can not institutionalize am haratzus and hope for a good outcome. It didn't work in the early 20th century and it wont work now. How many generations of jews were lost to the public school generations.
This has been done already and it failed. You can not send kids to a public school and expect them to stay frum. And don't tell me charter schools are different just because there is some hebrew taught there. Hebrew without the torah is just a language.
This will cause nothing but trouble. I don't even support it for non frum parents. There should be 3 options, frum yeshivos, frum homeschooling or public schools. That way non-frum parents will have to look seriously at the dreck coming out of public schools and hopefully choose a frum yeshiva. The availablity of another choice, a supposedly "safe" choice gives them another option. And it shouldn't be an option because it is nothing more than a public school with some hebrew.

''That way non-frum parents will have to look seriously at the dreck coming out of public schools and hopefully choose a frum yeshiva."

Drek coming out of the public schools? My four kids attended public schools, two are MDs, and two are attorneys. All married with children and active in the community. None have been arrested, done drugs, or ate treif.

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 03:04 PM Yankel123 Says:

Isn't choice generally a good thing? Isn't lack of competition the reason why there are no good kosher restaurants on Staten Island? Maybe this will force frum yeshivas to be less junky

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

''That way non-frum parents will have to look seriously at the dreck coming out of public schools and hopefully choose a frum yeshiva."

Drek coming out of the public schools? My four kids attended public schools, two are MDs, and two are attorneys. All married with children and active in the community. None have been arrested, done drugs, or ate treif.

Even if that is true (which based on statistics is probably a pipe dream) think about what your children could have been If only they were exposed to frumkeit every day.
Instead every day they went to a public school and ate in a treif caffeteria, sitting next to goyim whose conversation was profane and vulgar. Every day the topics of conversation was who was sleeping with who, who was having a party were, which drugs are cool.
Imagine what your children could have been if only they were exposed to a true yiddisha upbringing.

And #8
when the choice is frum vs secular, it isn't a choice. And the reason there are no good restaurants in SI is because of a lack of community support (many have tried and failed-I know- I grew up there)

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 06:08 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Even if that is true (which based on statistics is probably a pipe dream) think about what your children could have been If only they were exposed to frumkeit every day.
Instead every day they went to a public school and ate in a treif caffeteria, sitting next to goyim whose conversation was profane and vulgar. Every day the topics of conversation was who was sleeping with who, who was having a party were, which drugs are cool.
Imagine what your children could have been if only they were exposed to a true yiddisha upbringing.

And #8
when the choice is frum vs secular, it isn't a choice. And the reason there are no good restaurants in SI is because of a lack of community support (many have tried and failed-I know- I grew up there)

"Instead every day they went to a public school and ate in a treif caffeteria, sitting next to goyim whose conversation was profane and vulgar. Every day the topics of conversation was who was sleeping with who, who was having a party were, which drugs are cool.
Imagine what your children could have been if only they were exposed to a true yiddisha upbringing."

Give the goyim a little bit more credit and also my kids. Not all goyim talk about sex and curse while they are eating lunch. The frum kids my kids were friendly with who attended Yeshivas were using stolen credit cards even in high school. Their frum friends dropped out of college because the work was too difficult. I'm thrilled with how my kids turned out and my frum friends said if they did it over again, they would have put their kids in public schools.

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 06:48 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

You can not institutionalize am haratzus and hope for a good outcome. It didn't work in the early 20th century and it wont work now. How many generations of jews were lost to the public school generations.
This has been done already and it failed. You can not send kids to a public school and expect them to stay frum. And don't tell me charter schools are different just because there is some hebrew taught there. Hebrew without the torah is just a language.
This will cause nothing but trouble. I don't even support it for non frum parents. There should be 3 options, frum yeshivos, frum homeschooling or public schools. That way non-frum parents will have to look seriously at the dreck coming out of public schools and hopefully choose a frum yeshiva. The availablity of another choice, a supposedly "safe" choice gives them another option. And it shouldn't be an option because it is nothing more than a public school with some hebrew.

I was NOT talking about American public schools. I was referring to shtetls in Poland, and how the children were forced to go to Polish public schools. The children who went there were frum and stayed frum.

By the way, non-frum parents, if given only the choice between frum schools and public schools, will NOT choose yeshivas 99.9% of the time. Better that they have the option of Hebrew taught in a public school. (Some non-frum parents do send their children to Solomon Schechter schools, but I'm sure that you wouldn't consider it a viable choice.)

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 Feb 02, 2011 at 08:44 PM Poor_Jew Says:

Bottom line, give us a choice. No one is forcing you to remove your children from yeshiva. We should explore every option.

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