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Published on: February 26, 2011 08:02 PM
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New York, NY - A federal judge in New York is dealing with a case of rabbinical law—whether a vendor can sell kosher food during Mets games on the Jewish Sabbath.

Kosher Sports Inc. says its contract allows it to offer its food at every game, the New York Daily News reported. The New Jersey-based company blames Mets’ management for the ban on sales between sundown Friday and sundown Saturday.

Leo Klein, a lawyer for Kosher Foods, was nervous about possible prejudice from Magistrate Judge Andrew Carter. He said he saw the judge wearing a Mets cap during the lunch break—and then he came into the courtroom with a blue and orange tie, the team colors.

“There’s no need for concern about that,” the judge said.

With the Mets’ first Friday night home game slated for April 8, it remains unclear whether fans will be able to purchase kosher franks, sausages, knishes, pretzels, peanuts and hamburgers.

Kosher Sports Inc. claims it is entitled to serve the glatt kosher fare at every game under a 10-year deal with the ballclub.

The firm claims Mets management barred them from selling on the Sabbath.

Kosher Sports contends there’s nothing unorthodox about selling its food on the Sabbath and said it shelled out plenty of cash to meet the religious requirements.

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The New Jersey-based vendor is seeking at least $1 million in damages for breach of contract.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 08:10 PM Boochie Says:

Is the company owned by a Jew?

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 08:23 PM Mark Levin Says:

What does the Kashrus agency have to say about this? This story has been going on and on, yet no one has heard from the hashgocha.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 08:28 PM bigwheeel Says:

It's an upside down world. The (non-Jewish) management of the Mets is making an effort to comply with Halacha. And the "Jewish" vendor is sui9ng to have their fare dished out on the Sabbath. But, it's all Dollars and Cents.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 08:49 PM Normal Says:

Is it better to mechalel shabbos and eat treif too?

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 09:04 PM DizzyIzzy Says:

I presume that the Mets are not "trying to comply with Halacha" but are instead attempting to interpret a contract as not applying to Saturdays, so that they can get additional money by selling the rights to Saturday games to someone else.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 09:29 PM LearntheFacts Says:

This case from what I understand is about a contract that the Mets have not honored. They are trying to make this a kashrus issue. This company has a very good reputation for adhering to the highest standards of kashrus. Don't be fooled by this misdirection play.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 09:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Normal Says:

Is it better to mechalel shabbos and eat treif too?

“ Is it better to mechalel shabbos and eat treif too?”

In most cases, its more important not to eat treifus than to be mechalel shabbos. Most frum yidden would not be attending a Mets game on shabbos anyway unless its early in the season and kabbalos shabbos and maariv are over early. I rarely see a big heimeshe contingent at games on Friday night or shabbos afternoon so there is no big loss by not having the kosher concession selling food. Also, its not fair to make the mashgiach go to work on shabbos at the ballpark.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 10:16 PM invstm1000 Says:

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Mark Levin Says:

What does the Kashrus agency have to say about this? This story has been going on and on, yet no one has heard from the hashgocha.

the hashgocha is from star K.

I wonder if the mashgiach has to show up on Shabbos.

this a is a disgrace that a jew is fighting a none jew to keep store open on shabbos.

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 Feb 26, 2011 at 11:48 PM Sensible25 Says:

And if he will be open shabbos will the frum people buy from them during the week? Doesn't make sense to me. Who will buy from shabbos? I assume his prices are higher then the non kosher concessions in any case.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM hiijacker Says:

when i was there about half the crowd purchasing were non jews. This is because they are priced exactly the same all the other concession stands.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 01:03 AM leahle Says:

The owners of the Mets, the Wilpons, are Jewish.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 01:38 AM Anonymous Says:

This is about the Mets understanding the needs of the jewish community and the owners trying to make money. When I iyh go to citifield I wont but from them in protest and will let them know too.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 07:54 AM Kanyeshna Says:

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Sensible25 Says:

And if he will be open shabbos will the frum people buy from them during the week? Doesn't make sense to me. Who will buy from shabbos? I assume his prices are higher then the non kosher concessions in any case.

Be sensible.

These are hot dogs. If they are kosher hot dogs, what can someone who is otherwise under reputable hashgacha do to ruin them?

That being said, which reliable hashgacha will continue to keep these people are clients after this?

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 08:24 AM Butterfly Says:

Was there a mashgiach there??

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 09:07 AM Not-Normal Says:

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Normal Says:

Is it better to mechalel shabbos and eat treif too?

Your implication seems to be that since some jews are going to be michalel shabbos and eat treif we should "bend" halacha so at least they wont eat treif.?!
No self respecting kashrus organization should be remotely involved in this. Star K should have removed their name from this a long time ago or at least made some sort of statement justifying their relationship with this company. A jewish owned company that is open on shabbos is not "kosher" no matter what kind of food they are selling.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

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Normal Says:

Is it better to mechalel shabbos and eat treif too?

I for one refuse to buy kosher food at the mets stand. The last time i was there the food was being prepared by 2 hispanic men and the white guy at the register may or may not have been a frum yid. It was impossible to tell with the baseball cap he was wearing and no tzitzus visible. I have standards. I wont buy meat from a stand that cant bother to have a clearly identified mashgiach, and i wont buy meat from a stand that is open on shabbos. Who knows what is being put on the grill on shabbos and frankly if some "mashgiach" is spending his shabbos at a ball game I dont consider him a kosher mashgiach.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 11:16 AM GB_Jew Says:

Personally, I would assume that ALL food served at a baseball or football game is treif meletchila - unless it was proved otherwise by a valid and recognized te'udat hechsher.

And another thing: even though it is possible to buy the tickets in advance, and so not be mechalel shabbat in that respect, which FFF (frum football fan) would buy anything during shabbat?

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 12:05 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

I for one refuse to buy kosher food at the mets stand. The last time i was there the food was being prepared by 2 hispanic men and the white guy at the register may or may not have been a frum yid. It was impossible to tell with the baseball cap he was wearing and no tzitzus visible. I have standards. I wont buy meat from a stand that cant bother to have a clearly identified mashgiach, and i wont buy meat from a stand that is open on shabbos. Who knows what is being put on the grill on shabbos and frankly if some "mashgiach" is spending his shabbos at a ball game I dont consider him a kosher mashgiach.

Are you kidding? Now you are questioning the Star-K and a fellow Jew? There are 2 grills, one that is used on Shabbos and the other the rest of the week. The "weekday" grill is locked by the mashgiach on thursday night. This is not a kashrus issue and the Star-K does not supervise or give hasgacha on Shabbos. Stop printing assumptions and learn the facts. It is amazing to listen to some of this garbage here. The Wilpons stole this guys parnassa by lining their own pockets! Sounds eerily similar to the Madoff situation!

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 12:17 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #16  
Not-Normal Says:

Your implication seems to be that since some jews are going to be michalel shabbos and eat treif we should "bend" halacha so at least they wont eat treif.?!
No self respecting kashrus organization should be remotely involved in this. Star K should have removed their name from this a long time ago or at least made some sort of statement justifying their relationship with this company. A jewish owned company that is open on shabbos is not "kosher" no matter what kind of food they are selling.

You are incorrect; all the major kashrut agencies certify products that come from factories that run 7 days a week and the ownership is irrelevant. Even Rav Aharon Kotler z'tz'l personally gave a hechsher to a Jewish owned bakery that was open on Shabat. (It was not ideal, and Rav Kotler tried to get the baker to close his store on Shabat, but the lack of Shabat observance did not pasul the food.)

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 12:19 PM Kashrus Pro Says:

Reply to #8  
invstm1000 Says:

the hashgocha is from star K.

I wonder if the mashgiach has to show up on Shabbos.

this a is a disgrace that a jew is fighting a none jew to keep store open on shabbos.

For the record, when the kosher stand at Shea was under the Vaad of Queens, they arranged for the Executive Producer Of NY Mets Baseball, a very fine & upstanding Shomer Torah U'Mitzvos, to check out the stand and make sure they were closed. He was able to do this when the Friday night game started at 7 and Shabbos was after 8p because its not that long of a drive to KGH.

There is something to this Mets story that doesn't make sense, which is what is being sold. Maybe the dogs are heated before, are all wrapped and are sold by ayno yehudim which would make it not much different than a store?

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 02:00 PM LearntheFacts Says:

Reply to #21  
Kashrus Pro Says:

For the record, when the kosher stand at Shea was under the Vaad of Queens, they arranged for the Executive Producer Of NY Mets Baseball, a very fine & upstanding Shomer Torah U'Mitzvos, to check out the stand and make sure they were closed. He was able to do this when the Friday night game started at 7 and Shabbos was after 8p because its not that long of a drive to KGH.

There is something to this Mets story that doesn't make sense, which is what is being sold. Maybe the dogs are heated before, are all wrapped and are sold by ayno yehudim which would make it not much different than a store?

Let me ask you this one question; if the same glatt kosher hot dog was sold would that hot dog not be glatt kosher? Better yet if you went into Waldbaum's and bought a package of Abeles and Heymann hot dogs on wednesday are they glatt kosher? Now if you were a non shabbos observing person and walked into that same Waldbaum's and bought that same package of Abeles and Heymann hot dogs on a saturday are they still glatt kosher?!

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Are you kidding? Now you are questioning the Star-K and a fellow Jew? There are 2 grills, one that is used on Shabbos and the other the rest of the week. The "weekday" grill is locked by the mashgiach on thursday night. This is not a kashrus issue and the Star-K does not supervise or give hasgacha on Shabbos. Stop printing assumptions and learn the facts. It is amazing to listen to some of this garbage here. The Wilpons stole this guys parnassa by lining their own pockets! Sounds eerily similar to the Madoff situation!

The Wilpons did not steel anything from him. He made a poor business decision and now he is trying to come up with some Kashrus loophole to stay open on Shabbos. It doesn't matter if he has 81 grills for each game of the season, he paid for the rights to be the sole Glatt Kosher hot dog provider for Mets games and its EXTREMELY misleading for him to have 2 different operations Kashrus wise under the same name. Perhaps he should change his name to Kosher STYLE Sports for Shabbos games...

And if the Star K overlooks something like this, who knows what else they overlook...

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 03:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

The Wilpons did not steel anything from him. He made a poor business decision and now he is trying to come up with some Kashrus loophole to stay open on Shabbos. It doesn't matter if he has 81 grills for each game of the season, he paid for the rights to be the sole Glatt Kosher hot dog provider for Mets games and its EXTREMELY misleading for him to have 2 different operations Kashrus wise under the same name. Perhaps he should change his name to Kosher STYLE Sports for Shabbos games...

And if the Star K overlooks something like this, who knows what else they overlook...

Does Dunkin Donuts have a hashgacha and open on Shabbos? Maybe this company has a non jewish partner who receives all the sales on Shabbos. Does a caterer work on Shabbos? Are there no businesses that operate on Shabbos that are owned by jews?

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:

They are currently closed which is why they are suing. Star K has done nothing wrong yet because they are closed. they are suing for the right to open. at which point im sure they will lose their hechsher.

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 Feb 27, 2011 at 06:16 PM LearntheFacts Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

The Wilpons did not steel anything from him. He made a poor business decision and now he is trying to come up with some Kashrus loophole to stay open on Shabbos. It doesn't matter if he has 81 grills for each game of the season, he paid for the rights to be the sole Glatt Kosher hot dog provider for Mets games and its EXTREMELY misleading for him to have 2 different operations Kashrus wise under the same name. Perhaps he should change his name to Kosher STYLE Sports for Shabbos games...

And if the Star K overlooks something like this, who knows what else they overlook...

I am sure they have found a way to be open that is permissable according to Halacha. I for one find it hard to believe that the owner would jeopardize his entire business for this unless he was advised of a way to do this. I know that they open the "glatt kosher stand" at Cleveland Indian games then re-kasher the stand Motzei Shabbos.

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