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Supporters and detractors of Issac Feder (not pictured), argue about the rights of the Century Village resident who bought a second condo there an turned it into a makeshift synagogue, at the start of a code enforcement hearing Wednesday, March 2, 2011, in West Palm Beach. Supporters and detractors of Issac Feder (not pictured), argue about the rights of the Century Village resident who bought a second condo there an turned it into a makeshift synagogue, at the start of a code enforcement hearing Wednesday, March 2, 2011, in West Palm Beach.

Century Village, FL - Jewish civil war brewing in Century Village took a road trip Wednesday afternoon to a Palm Beach County code enforcement hearing room, turning what is normally a sleepy venue of mostly empty seats into a mob scene of agitated retirees who tested both the limits of the building’s fire code and each other’s patience.

For weeks, residents of the condominium complex near West Palm Beach had been spreading the word to show up for the hearing on whether resident Issac Feder was improperly using one of the two condos he owns at Century Village.

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Feder, 64, part of a small but growing sect of Orthodox Jews in Century Village, is a snowbird from Monroe, N.Y., who lives part of the year in a unit in the Kinswood building. But he owns another unit in the adjacent Golf’s Edge building, which he and the other members of his religious sect have turned  into a makeshift synagogue for the past two seasons.

Men dressed in traditional black garb and formal hats walk from other buildings in Century Village to conduct twice-daily prayer services in Feder’s spare condo.

This has infuriated other condo residents, who are mostly Jewish but not Orthodox and don’t want their building turned into an ultra-religious house of worship. And they’ve complained to the county, which initiated a code enforcement action against Feder.

“It’s really not about zoning,” said Sam Koenig, 64, an Orthodox Jew who lives in a different Century Village building and is sympathetic with Feder. “This crowd doesn’t want this because it reminds them of an Eastern European shtetl, and makes them feel as if they’re going back in time.”

It wasn’t hard to find confirmation of that opinion.

“I see their women davening and dressing like they’re in Alaska,” said Frances Merel, a Jewish resident in a nearby building. “I don’t want to see it. They feel like the rules aren’t for them. They’re arrogant.”

Her husband, Maynard, chimed in: “If they win, I’m going to turn my apartment into a mosque.”

Aron Sandel, one of the seasonal Orthodox Jews who lives in Century Village, says most of his critical Jewish neighbors are overreacting to people who are simply practicing their religion.

“We don’t have weapons. No guns. Everything is quiet,” Sandel said. “In order to pray, we need a minyan, and that’s 10 men. Sometimes we have a hard time making the minyan.”

The group has shunned the Orthodox synagogue outside the gates of Century Village. Last year, when the dispute began, Feder said he was too frail to walk outside Century Village to pray, so he used his spare condo as a gathering spot.

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 Mar 02, 2011 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

As usual, there is a small cadre of frumies acting outside of the rules. Virtually all of these Florida condos prohibit any use of their facilities for any non-residential use. This arrogance and insensitivity to the rules "l'shem mitzvah" is a busha. It should be stopped before C'V the same behavior spreads to other South Florida condos.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 12:42 AM charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 12:51 AM ALLAN Says:

Maybe if I were retired and lived there my opinion of what is going on could be different. From what I am reading here we have secular Jews who are ashamed of their more observant brethren and don't want them to practice their common religion at a higher level. I for one coming from a secular background can't find it in my heart to react this way to the more observant and hope that the community finds it in their hearts to do the the same thing. We are our own worst enemies.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 12:40 AM Anonymous Says:

if they are simply davening there and not holding any Purim festivals or simchas, whats the problem? I f I own a condo and I decide to eat lunch every day with my friends why should anybody care?? Its pure antisemitism and old bored scared yidden that simply do not want to be reminded about their Jewishness!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:35 AM shvigger Says:

As usual the secular crowd cannot tolerate the orthodox Jew.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 03:28 AM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #2  
charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

charlie, that's not your business. in america we have freedom of religion. Besides being there quite a few times myself,most of the retirees living there have no life. So, they have nothing better to do than complain,or make a commotion over anything. They are bored out of their minds.
A friend of mine who has lived there for years,told me that it took him 6 months to get approval from his condo bldg PRESIDENT just to store his bicycle under the stairs,of his bldg.
Gimme a break, the ones who protest against the heimishe crowd there, are just a bunch of frei so called yidden. Or, as Meir Kahane zl used to call em "self hating jews"
Who and why in hell, does it bother the other people, if 10 people get together in a private apt, and form their own minyan?
It reminds them of the SHTETEL? too bad. (sounds like the secular Israeli voice)
You hate being identified as a practicing jew? than conver
Are they doing anything wrong? No. not at all. This is not a break away minyan,chassidim have a right to their own private minyan,and minhagim. They are not stealing other mispallelim from the main shul. If the other frei people dont like this, it's just too bad. DEAL WITH IT!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 03:31 AM schwartzi Says:

contd. Miserable old bags, with no reason to live! just to cause strife and division in the community. They should be happy, that there are other jews,out there who are happy with their judaism,and not afraid to show it.
Some of these secular jews are worse than goyim. The goy respects his religion,and is not afraid to show it. The secular jew is. fecch!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:40 AM Man u Says:

Its really sad, that guy is gonna open a mosque in his apartment but wont even be able to pray in it as he is Jewish, if he likes it or not!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:17 AM cbdds Says:

This is a very common point of contention in Florida Condo developments.
I am sure that if a condo owner decided to invite 9 friends to a weekly party or even a series of daily card games there would be no issue. the issue here seems to have been verbalized very clearly; it is based of their mode of dressing. That is definitely bias. Even if some of us are fortunate never to have needed it, have you never seen a minyan formed in the house of a choleh that was too weak to walk to shul?

Remember, this is a hot climate and it is hard to walk 100 yards, much more so to walk to the shul that is quite a walk even if it is right outside the gates. This development is a multi building widespread development.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Check out the ones who are bring the complaint and see how many of there children are intermarried, living together and other things. The want to daven together and this is a crime to them. They should also be davening and that is really what bothers them. The pintele Yid is what causes them to be upset.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:48 AM Babishka Says:

It sounds like the people who are opposed to the shul don't like the way their neighbors dress and talk. If their neighbors dressed in droopy pants and spoke Spanish, that would be RACISM. Why is it different because they dress in black and speak Yiddish?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

He said in the article that it's too far to walk - also I am not sure which Century Village you mean - there are two - if there is only one Orthodox shul, they would need permission from them to start their own shul - when the Satmar Ruv zya started his camp in Kerhonkson, NY, he sent Reb Yossel Ashkenazi zl to ask permission from the rabbi of the shul there to have his own minyan.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

He said in the article that it's too far to walk - also I am not sure which Century Village you mean - there are two - if there is only one Orthodox shul, they would need permission from them to start their own shul - when the Satmar Ruv zya started his camp in Kerhonkson, NY, he sent Reb Yossel Ashkenazi zl to ask permission from the rabbi of the shul there to have his own minyan.

But if there are two - which I think may be the case - as I think there is a chabad and a young israel already, then they dont need permission as there are already two shuls

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:00 AM skoenig Corrects Says:

Corrrection: What I said was "that in Miami" all buildings went thru this process and prevailed. I was not there in support of Mr. Feder but something else. The issue of the shul is a zoning legal question. There is a question of Loy samod aal dam Reecha.. Over 600 people full of Hatred s a has showed up with anti-semitic prejudice against a handful of people. Comments such as "we don't mind ILLAGE Black people, but not these blacks!" After the meeting, In front of board members of this section in dispute who claimed like the President of the village "they are only here regarding the shul" FI you VE RANDOMLY selected women and asked them " why are you here today?" and all answered "because we don't want the Chassidim here."
7,800 units with 15,000 residents of all ethnic backgrounds AND RACES BUT 30 CHASSIDIC FAMILIES BRING OUT 600-700 STROKE VICTIMS..NOT AGAINST THE SHUL BUT THE VENOMOUS ANTI Semitic comments by the majority people there. That is why I came Lo saamod aal Dam Reeacha. Orthodox people in other parts of Century VILLAGE WERE harassed even
before the shul. Less than a minyan came from the Orthodox shul with hundreds
0f members.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:05 AM JICKY Says:

Reply to #2  
charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

Because he had a Stroke 2 years ago and every step he does is very hard for him

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:07 AM Oldtimer Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

if they are simply davening there and not holding any Purim festivals or simchas, whats the problem? I f I own a condo and I decide to eat lunch every day with my friends why should anybody care?? Its pure antisemitism and old bored scared yidden that simply do not want to be reminded about their Jewishness!

Sorry, they may be or may not be old bored and scared, but they have a right not to be reminded of their Jewishness if they don't want to be - assuming that is even the case. If the rules say no non-residential use, they should be followed. Period.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:08 AM ich shaym zich nisht Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

if they are simply davening there and not holding any Purim festivals or simchas, whats the problem? I f I own a condo and I decide to eat lunch every day with my friends why should anybody care?? Its pure antisemitism and old bored scared yidden that simply do not want to be reminded about their Jewishness!

the fact is the shul will not allow them to daven sfard and Mr. Feder has had stro
and a few of the people are old and cant walk that far. T hey are allowed to have a
meeting or assembly in less than 750 ft and less than 50 people . That is the law and there are other minyanim Friday night.. The shul was not the issue. 15000 people don't like "these chassidim!" as they all said. Last tihatme I looked we were in a free county with anti discrimination laws or don't u believe in t.hat Charlie??

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

As usual, there is a small cadre of frumies acting outside of the rules. Virtually all of these Florida condos prohibit any use of their facilities for any non-residential use. This arrogance and insensitivity to the rules "l'shem mitzvah" is a busha. It should be stopped before C'V the same behavior spreads to other South Florida condos.

An easy solution to that would be to give the condo to a friend to live in

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:39 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #6  
schwartzi Says:

charlie, that's not your business. in america we have freedom of religion. Besides being there quite a few times myself,most of the retirees living there have no life. So, they have nothing better to do than complain,or make a commotion over anything. They are bored out of their minds.
A friend of mine who has lived there for years,told me that it took him 6 months to get approval from his condo bldg PRESIDENT just to store his bicycle under the stairs,of his bldg.
Gimme a break, the ones who protest against the heimishe crowd there, are just a bunch of frei so called yidden. Or, as Meir Kahane zl used to call em "self hating jews"
Who and why in hell, does it bother the other people, if 10 people get together in a private apt, and form their own minyan?
It reminds them of the SHTETEL? too bad. (sounds like the secular Israeli voice)
You hate being identified as a practicing jew? than conver
Are they doing anything wrong? No. not at all. This is not a break away minyan,chassidim have a right to their own private minyan,and minhagim. They are not stealing other mispallelim from the main shul. If the other frei people dont like this, it's just too bad. DEAL WITH IT!

Schwartzi, your "Freedom of Religion" only applies to the GOVERNMENT. The fact is that when you buy a condo you agree to abide by the rules of the condo association. You have no "freedom" from your contract. This Century Village has a shul right outside the gates. There is no need for this.

All of the Century Village properties have Orthodox shuls and in most cases a Chabad shul either on property or just outside the property. There is no reason for this other than to flaunt the rules and make a terrible chillul H".

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:44 AM kollelfaker Says:

why is it we cant do anything correctly there are strict rules and regulations as well as zoning rules but as usual we feel they are for everyone else there are shuls in this community seems this group monreo feel they can do anything and will yell anti semitism and as to sam koneig soory bro you are in an area that has been there longer then your arrival try living there in peace and use the existing shuls maybe there will be harmony among jews

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:01 AM charliehall Says:

Reply to #6  
schwartzi Says:

charlie, that's not your business. in america we have freedom of religion. Besides being there quite a few times myself,most of the retirees living there have no life. So, they have nothing better to do than complain,or make a commotion over anything. They are bored out of their minds.
A friend of mine who has lived there for years,told me that it took him 6 months to get approval from his condo bldg PRESIDENT just to store his bicycle under the stairs,of his bldg.
Gimme a break, the ones who protest against the heimishe crowd there, are just a bunch of frei so called yidden. Or, as Meir Kahane zl used to call em "self hating jews"
Who and why in hell, does it bother the other people, if 10 people get together in a private apt, and form their own minyan?
It reminds them of the SHTETEL? too bad. (sounds like the secular Israeli voice)
You hate being identified as a practicing jew? than conver
Are they doing anything wrong? No. not at all. This is not a break away minyan,chassidim have a right to their own private minyan,and minhagim. They are not stealing other mispallelim from the main shul. If the other frei people dont like this, it's just too bad. DEAL WITH IT!

We do have freedom of religion. But we also have property rights. And the condo association has the right to restrict use as long as they don't treat one religion differently from others. If you don't like the condo rules you don't have to live there.

And you are not correct regarding "chassidim have the right to their own private minyan, and minhagim". Halachically when you move to a new community you must conform to the minhagim of that community.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:05 AM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #17  
ich shaym zich nisht Says:

the fact is the shul will not allow them to daven sfard and Mr. Feder has had stro
and a few of the people are old and cant walk that far. T hey are allowed to have a
meeting or assembly in less than 750 ft and less than 50 people . That is the law and there are other minyanim Friday night.. The shul was not the issue. 15000 people don't like "these chassidim!" as they all said. Last tihatme I looked we were in a free county with anti discrimination laws or don't u believe in t.hat Charlie??

The shul has an absolute halachic right -- and maybe even the obligation -- to insist on its minhagim and to prohibit nusach Sfard.

Condominiums are private entities and they can restrict the use of individual units almost in whatever way they wish as long as they don't engage in illegal discrimination. And since they would also prohibit a church, I don't see what is illegal here. One can argue very strongly that they should let this shul happen, but in America the Right of Private Property often trumps everything else.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:23 AM mewhoze Says:

let them spend 5 minutes before or after davening doing some yoga and they can say it is a yoga group meeting twice a day.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:45 AM yosher Says:

Boy,are the Chassidim waiving the flaf of patriotism and freedoms! Remember when they fought not to let the yuppies live (yup, just live) in Williamsburgh? I guess we may discriminate against them, but inviting outside traffic for a rogue minyan (berov am hadras Melech?) is our constitutional right!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:49 AM Elliot Pasik Says:

Folks, you gotta read the Palm Beach Post article, AND the comments. This is too funny for words. Click on the link. Perfect for Adar. I've been having some of the best laughs of my life.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:01 AM shredready Says:

for all the arrogant people who say they (the non frum residents)do not to be reminded of their Jewishness because of the chassidiam. You got to be kidding, they are not at awe at you at all, they don't consider you the apex of Judaism, they might even think you are a cult based of Judaism but really are not Jewish at all.

The only one who thinks that chassisium or people who wear winter clothing in fl are is the apex of Jewishness are you, no one else.

sorry to burst your bubble.

Now that we have cleared that little fact one can have a discussion about the shul in a rational manner.

And for those who always we have a right to do what we want the music was different when it came to the bike lanes it seems your logic changes to met your needs.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:02 AM CV Says:

we have been living in peace with all our neighbors for sol long. People from the north east are a little more pushy and less tolerant than our southern and local neighbors. one group will have to adapt.
If this is the line in the sand they may not get the separate swimming pool hours, they are working on. they have to pick their battles.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:03 AM ich shaym zich nisht Says:

charlie- n o where did I say the shul was not right -but many shuls across the country accommodate fellow Jews with Sefardic, Sfard, and nusac Ari Minyanim.
Condominium laws do not permit persecution of others as they have done here absent the shul issue. This meeting was a bunch of Chassidic Haters as I was there and not the zoning issue. Hundreds showed up due to their prejudice not the legal issue. None of u were there! I was!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:16 AM OyGevald Says:

Reply to #21  
charliehall Says:

We do have freedom of religion. But we also have property rights. And the condo association has the right to restrict use as long as they don't treat one religion differently from others. If you don't like the condo rules you don't have to live there.

And you are not correct regarding "chassidim have the right to their own private minyan, and minhagim". Halachically when you move to a new community you must conform to the minhagim of that community.

RE: MINHAGIM, Charlie, regarding moving to a community and conforming to their Minhagim, that is only as long as there are no other Minhagim. That does not mean that one may not open a new Shul and have Minhagim set by that Shul. Rav Moshe F. in his Igros Moshe discusses whether America has a set Minhag (regarding Candle lighting times and Maraas Ayin for early Shabbos) and rules that if there are established Shuls doing different things, than there's no Maraas Ayin, no exclusive Minhag etc.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:20 AM rebbeofalltherebbes Says:

Is Jerry Seinfeld's father the president of the condo board?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 10:21 AM fat36 Says:

Reply to #5  
shvigger Says:

As usual the secular crowd cannot tolerate the orthodox Jew.

read #2 there is a shul across the street and i was there a bunch of times

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:

I think this is the one in WPB which has an Orthodox shul outside the gates and Reform/Conservative on e inside the gates. There is no Chabad there. Its anywhere from .5-1.0 mile to walk outside from Kingswood and you have to cross a busy avenue to get to it. The shul website is aitzchaimwestpalm.com‎, they daven ashkenaz and maybe he wants to daven sfard. Bottom line, he bought another condo, pays the maintenance on it and doesnt bring outsiders (they have a gate at the entrance to the condo complex), cars, traffic or noise so whats the big deal?? If he did this in the privacy of his own condo, would it be a problem? If he played cards twice a day with his buddies would it be a problem? SO why is this a problem? BTW- this is the same Century Village that had a problem with ORthodox women wearing swim clothes to the pools that have no Mechitza and are mixed. In the end they let the women wear their spandex swim clothes when they were shown thats its not ordinary street clothes.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:11 AM mj00056 Says:

Read the VIN posting. Did you get the sense that these people are making a veiled threat to become violent? Why do they malke a point of saying "we have weapons/guns"?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:20 AM Yossi Says:

I dont understand the need of a Minyen in a private apartment when there is one across the street...I understand the people who live in the Wmsbg. projects on the higher floors and they need a minyen Friday night or at shalesh sides and also in KJ when the weather is harsh there are many houses who make a minyen. But in Florida with such georgeous weather i believe Mr. Feder and Mr. Sandel can walk across the street and there is NO need for this Machloykes...

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:26 AM marcia Says:

We do not know the explicit contracts that were signed when moving into these condos, they each have their own mishagas, but I know I would not want a "prayer" meeting of the KKK there or the New Black Panthers church, the Baptist church group who show up at soldiers burials to denegrate them, anti-Israel Muslime Mosque prayers 10 times a day, but that's just my opinion!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:49 AM elyeh Says:

There is a federal statute which protects the right of people to gather in their homes and have religious meetings - daven. It is "Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000." There are many court cases with this and zoning rules. A good lawyer can help.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 12:18 PM mj00056 Says:

Reply to #36  
elyeh Says:

There is a federal statute which protects the right of people to gather in their homes and have religious meetings - daven. It is "Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000." There are many court cases with this and zoning rules. A good lawyer can help.

These Condo Commanders are a "law" unto themselves, they are sickening old folks with no purpose in their life other than to be bossy and imagine that they are powerful and important. In their "real" working , previous life they were do nothing cubicle dwellers and "yes" men, now they are trying to over-compensate in their last remaining crummy years. I speak from experience, because I live in FL, and had to move out of one of these insane asylums in Lauderhill ( they don't allow motor-cycles)
One Jewish old man and his wife (self hating, loathsome creeps) complained that my son was wearing tzittzes out, where they could see them, and were "offended" by the sight. They should all live and be well and pass quickly to their 'reward" in the next world.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 12:38 PM Flgroup Says:

Reply to #16  
Oldtimer Says:

Sorry, they may be or may not be old bored and scared, but they have a right not to be reminded of their Jewishness if they don't want to be - assuming that is even the case. If the rules say no non-residential use, they should be followed. Period.

If someone invites 10 friends to his condo Sunday afternoon to watch a Baseball Game on his Large TV, is that Residential use or does it become a Sports Club

If someone invites 10 friends for Lunch or Diner, is that Residential use or does it become a Restaurant or Ball Room

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:06 PM Babishka Says:

Reply to #38  
Flgroup Says:

If someone invites 10 friends to his condo Sunday afternoon to watch a Baseball Game on his Large TV, is that Residential use or does it become a Sports Club

If someone invites 10 friends for Lunch or Diner, is that Residential use or does it become a Restaurant or Ball Room

If someone invites 10 friends to a Friday night poker game, is that residential use or does it become a casino?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:23 PM CV Says:

Building presidents are volunteers, they give of their time and experience to maintain the value and integrity of our investment.
I enjoy my residence throughout the year, we come down summer and winter for weekends
Herring bones and Kichel crumbs left over in a uninhabited unit even for a few hours is asking for trouble. especially in Florida. The bugs migrate to other units
Poeple milling about outside the unit during Minyan or Laining are bothersome to the neighbors who want privacy to enjoy their weekend down south. Let us have respect for their wishes.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:

The Palm Beach Post reports these guys were using the swimming pool as a mikvah.... yep. In public.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:35 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #2  
charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

Have you been to a CV? It is huge like an entire city. If you don't live near the Shul area you have to take your car or golf cart to get there. Some of the Frum areas are at least a 15 minute walk away. Which of course isn't too bad unless you are old and aren't feeling very well, or you are old and it is raining or it is very hot.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 01:53 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #37  
mj00056 Says:

These Condo Commanders are a "law" unto themselves, they are sickening old folks with no purpose in their life other than to be bossy and imagine that they are powerful and important. In their "real" working , previous life they were do nothing cubicle dwellers and "yes" men, now they are trying to over-compensate in their last remaining crummy years. I speak from experience, because I live in FL, and had to move out of one of these insane asylums in Lauderhill ( they don't allow motor-cycles)
One Jewish old man and his wife (self hating, loathsome creeps) complained that my son was wearing tzittzes out, where they could see them, and were "offended" by the sight. They should all live and be well and pass quickly to their 'reward" in the next world.

I too live in South FL.

1. If they don't allow motorcycles, you knew that before you moved in. It was in your contract. You CHOSE to move out. That was YOUR choice, not theirs.

2. Can you name the place where Jews complained to the association and were offended that someone was wearing tzitzis out? What action did the condo association take against your son? I am involved with several kiruv organizations here where we are active in these communities. I would personally take up this case if you can provide the facts. I am surprised that this is the first time I am hearing this story.

3. When you buy a condo you agree to abide by the rules. Period. If you don't like the rules, don't buy a condo there. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain after the fact. I absolutely support Century Village in this action. Century Village is a very strict association. Everyone knows it. Everyone agrees to the rules. If you want to run a shul, buy your own property where there are no condo associations or homeowners associations (or other community bodies) where you will not be under contract to agree to communal rules. How dare these people make such a chillul H"!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 02:19 PM marvelousmar13 Says:

in response to Schwartzy: I so agree with you. Jews never stick together and they never learn from the past. I am not an orthodox jew but I would be so happy if my fellow Jews were worshiping in a location near myself and my family. Maybe they should just go out and try to do some good in this world like volunteering in a hospital or something that would benefit another human being, instead of rioting against fellow lancemen whose only sin is praying. Shame on you menshen.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 02:52 PM anonymous Says:

I have had relatives living at this CV for 30+ years and have visited almost every year. Yes, there is an Orthodox shul, Aitz Chaim, across the street and a Conservative one built on private land accessible to the village. The longest walk to the shul is less than 2 miles, though there are so many available condos that there is no reason to buy that far away. CV's Jewish,population has drastically declined over the past several years and might now be a minority. The frum group in question has been asking for things which are not permitted by the condo association rules, such as single sex hours for swimming pools. They also have been going into pools fully clothed (street clothes, not tsnius-compliant bathing suits). I have seen this. I heard about naked men using the swimming pools for a mikvah- haven't heard from an eye witness, though. They do use the lake, however, to tovel dishes. Part of the objection is that this group essentially shuns the other residents - I was told yesterday that a frum couple fled from the Yiddish Club meeting when they saw that the members were mostly secular. Perhaps some friendly communication would help.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 03:21 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #36  
elyeh Says:

There is a federal statute which protects the right of people to gather in their homes and have religious meetings - daven. It is "Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000." There are many court cases with this and zoning rules. A good lawyer can help.

The law applies to governments. It does not apply to private entities like condo associations.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 03:23 PM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #29  
OyGevald Says:

RE: MINHAGIM, Charlie, regarding moving to a community and conforming to their Minhagim, that is only as long as there are no other Minhagim. That does not mean that one may not open a new Shul and have Minhagim set by that Shul. Rav Moshe F. in his Igros Moshe discusses whether America has a set Minhag (regarding Candle lighting times and Maraas Ayin for early Shabbos) and rules that if there are established Shuls doing different things, than there's no Maraas Ayin, no exclusive Minhag etc.

Actually you may have no right to open a new shul! There was a case in my neighborhood years ago when a new shul was taken to beit din by an existing shul -- and lost!!!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 03:34 PM Babishka Says:

This "using the pool for a mikveh" is a bunch of baloney. Mikvaos have to be build according to very specific criteria. You can't just use a random swimming pool or a bathtub or a fountain. This is just hysteria that some bigot made up in order to fan the flames.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:07 PM mj00056 Says:

Reply to #48  
Babishka Says:

This "using the pool for a mikveh" is a bunch of baloney. Mikvaos have to be build according to very specific criteria. You can't just use a random swimming pool or a bathtub or a fountain. This is just hysteria that some bigot made up in order to fan the flames.

Not so. swimming pools ARE in fact being used, perhaps improperly as Mikvahs, by men , Not women. Also , the filter is temporarily turned off.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
PMOinFL Says:

I too live in South FL.

1. If they don't allow motorcycles, you knew that before you moved in. It was in your contract. You CHOSE to move out. That was YOUR choice, not theirs.

2. Can you name the place where Jews complained to the association and were offended that someone was wearing tzitzis out? What action did the condo association take against your son? I am involved with several kiruv organizations here where we are active in these communities. I would personally take up this case if you can provide the facts. I am surprised that this is the first time I am hearing this story.

3. When you buy a condo you agree to abide by the rules. Period. If you don't like the rules, don't buy a condo there. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain after the fact. I absolutely support Century Village in this action. Century Village is a very strict association. Everyone knows it. Everyone agrees to the rules. If you want to run a shul, buy your own property where there are no condo associations or homeowners associations (or other community bodies) where you will not be under contract to agree to communal rules. How dare these people make such a chillul H"!

I wish to clarify, about my son-They did Not raise a formal complaint to the Association, they made remarks to him, and myself, and his (frum) friends. Mostly murmering under their breath kind of thing. this occurred at "The Manors" of Inverrary.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:16 PM Yossi Says:

I really dont understand why are those people in Florida to begin with..?
I thought the Satmere rebbe zt"l signed the Kol Kora that NO person(except eldery and sick) should NOT be in Florida...Mr. Sandel looks b"h very healthy and so look the others...Pack your bags and come back home to NY and let those neighbors live in peace....

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:18 PM ich shaym zich nisht Says:

Reply to #43  
PMOinFL Says:

I too live in South FL.

1. If they don't allow motorcycles, you knew that before you moved in. It was in your contract. You CHOSE to move out. That was YOUR choice, not theirs.

2. Can you name the place where Jews complained to the association and were offended that someone was wearing tzitzis out? What action did the condo association take against your son? I am involved with several kiruv organizations here where we are active in these communities. I would personally take up this case if you can provide the facts. I am surprised that this is the first time I am hearing this story.

3. When you buy a condo you agree to abide by the rules. Period. If you don't like the rules, don't buy a condo there. You have absolutely no right whatsoever to complain after the fact. I absolutely support Century Village in this action. Century Village is a very strict association. Everyone knows it. Everyone agrees to the rules. If you want to run a shul, buy your own property where there are no condo associations or homeowners associations (or other community bodies) where you will not be under contract to agree to communal rules. How dare these people make such a chillul H"!

I as many agree with u regard to this action by Century Village. But what happens if indeed it is legal. How many years did the people of Etz Chaim daven in apts also 10 years!!!!!!!!!!!1 fact!
Do you agree that the preponderance of people at the Municipal bldg were against these "chassdics buying here" not the synagouge. Find out the harassment Orthodox Jews have from "cookie- the illegal co President of Golfs Edge" who are not Chassidim and before the shul and the hassidim moved in. None of you have a right to deny these people their inalienable democratic rights to buy apts irrespective of their views on Israel or their dress or if the boards feel the rules are not
being adhered to and they should enforce them. Even n the Eitz Chaim members are
so carried away by the satmars view on Israel that they do not see the basic rights of these peoples being trashed without the Zoning issue which will be resolved either way by Law.Rabbi Cohen is a fighter and will not let anyone persecute even the Satmars who he disagrees with politically. Weeks ago he said "there is no such thing as a partial Jew!" in a Shabbos drusha. Hitler put all in the oven- Reformed German and Austrian Jews

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Oldtimer Says:

Sorry, they may be or may not be old bored and scared, but they have a right not to be reminded of their Jewishness if they don't want to be - assuming that is even the case. If the rules say no non-residential use, they should be followed. Period.

If I bought a condo there and I wanted to play cards with10 of my friends 3times a day would that be a problem?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:25 PM Pragmatist Says:

I have owned a condo in Century Village for the past 5 years and am familiar with the situation. Up to very recently, Litvaks, yeshivish types, chasidishe types, yekkes, MO, no label frum Jews, etc., all davened in one shul. However, a few recent newcomers, (mainly from Monroe, NY) don't want to daven with the rest of us and opened up an illegal shul in two condo apartments. This has noting to do with not being able to walk to the existing shul and has everything to do with a small group of non tolerant newcomers that want to force everyone to bend to their whims. Talk about a chilul hashem. Before they purchased their condos they knew that the Century Village Association bylaws, their condo association bylaws and the West Palm Beach laws all prohibits them from doing what they are doing but they don't give a hoot. Their attitude is "I'll decide which rules to keep and which to break". Perhaps we can get some nice Moslems to open a mosque next to these low lifes so that they can can get a taste of their own medicine.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Oldtimer Says:

Sorry, they may be or may not be old bored and scared, but they have a right not to be reminded of their Jewishness if they don't want to be - assuming that is even the case. If the rules say no non-residential use, they should be followed. Period.

"but they have a right not to be reminded of their Jewishness if they don't want to be" really? They have a RIGHT not to be REMINDED? If I was G-d forbid attacked by a dog and I own a condo there do I have a RIGHT to tell all the tenants next to me that I don't want to be REMINDED of my attack so they cant own a dog???

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 04:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Babishka Says:

This "using the pool for a mikveh" is a bunch of baloney. Mikvaos have to be build according to very specific criteria. You can't just use a random swimming pool or a bathtub or a fountain. This is just hysteria that some bigot made up in order to fan the flames.

While I support my fellow satmarer yidden in this, the fact is that you can use a swimming pool for a mens mikva according to the mishnah and the rambam - but the rambam also says you can wear a bathing suit -

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:06 PM PMOinFL Says:

The problem with this story is that people in NY do not understand the culture here in FL. Many (and in some cities MOST) communities are divided into sub-divisions, including condo-communities. Most of these sub-divisions have a governing body which has rules and/or bylaws. When you buy there, you agree to abide by the rules. That agreement is in the deed to your home. It is a binding contract. Even if the governing body of your community (condo association, HOA, etc) makes NEW rules, you agree to abide by the decisions.

This is the real issue.

People move in, from out of state and actively look to disrupt this lifestyle which we long-time Floridians enjoy. Why is it that so many come here and refuse to respect our way of life here?

In other parts of the state there are all sorts of religious enclaves (especially in north-central and north FL). These are (I believe) all xian groups. If a particular group wants to buy the land and build a subdivision with bylaws allowing you to do whatever you want, then you are free to do so. However, you can't come into other people's communities, defaecate on their standards, customs & way of life and expect to be "accepted".

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:09 PM CV Says:

Don't force the men to use the lake as a mikveh, it has alligators especially during the rainy time of year. keep them safe and let them use the pool. please be considerate

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:10 PM sandymoos Says:

Reply to #8  
Man u Says:

Its really sad, that guy is gonna open a mosque in his apartment but wont even be able to pray in it as he is Jewish, if he likes it or not!

Did a Rabbi in Jersusalem just state that it is ok to pray in a mosque?

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:19 PM Yourkidding Says:

Reply to #26  
shredready Says:

for all the arrogant people who say they (the non frum residents)do not to be reminded of their Jewishness because of the chassidiam. You got to be kidding, they are not at awe at you at all, they don't consider you the apex of Judaism, they might even think you are a cult based of Judaism but really are not Jewish at all.

The only one who thinks that chassisium or people who wear winter clothing in fl are is the apex of Jewishness are you, no one else.

sorry to burst your bubble.

Now that we have cleared that little fact one can have a discussion about the shul in a rational manner.

And for those who always we have a right to do what we want the music was different when it came to the bike lanes it seems your logic changes to met your needs.

You live in a dream world. You canbet your bottom dollar that theiir conscience can't deal with this. In addition they know and envy the generational continuence that they see before them. Interview them or get some life experience

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:34 PM mj00056 Says:

Reply to #59  
sandymoos Says:

Did a Rabbi in Jersusalem just state that it is ok to pray in a mosque?

why don't you act a little bit intelligent- a mosque would Not be forbiden to a Jew, as Islam is Not idolatry/avodah zara, in the sense of a Catholic Church, with images, crosses, idols, etc.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 05:34 PM Man u Says:

Reply to #59  
sandymoos Says:

Did a Rabbi in Jersusalem just state that it is ok to pray in a mosque?

Please explain what you mean. Thanks.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 06:44 PM Anonymous Says:

I continued this article on the original website, and I was amazed to see that so many of the comments were pro the chassidim--simply because of freedom of speech and democracy! I copied a few of them over here:

Perfect story for the PBP. Not worthy of the news, but perfect for the racists to vent. Cerabino's not a reporter, he's a garbageman.

Wow, I can't believe how intolerant these people are! The people they're upset about aren't harming anyone, causing any crime, property damage, etc. These curmudgeons have way too much free time on their hands - they need to get a new hobby!
get a life
11:13 PM, 3/2/2011


A ROOM FOOL...OPPS...FULL OF ATHEISTS......

"If they can get three or four people on the board, they can get control of a building," said resident Elaine Brown. "And then they can change the rules. This is the greatest threat to the Village we've ever seen."

CAN YOU SAY DEMOCRACY?

D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y.....DEMOCRACY.....AGAIN....

D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y.....DEMOCRACY.....THERE YOU GO !!!

FIRST AMENDMENT

People have been gathering for ages in homes to have church. If they have been gathering for two years, you think they would have said something earlier. It's not like they haPeople have been gathering for ages in homes to have church. If they have been gathering for two years, you think they would have said something earlier. It's not like they have to fill up a parking lot or block the road to get there. If I were them, I would set up a few tables and play a few hands of gin rummy too! and um... Pray to win :) There is nothing wrong with being traditional. If anything, it's refreshing.
Gidge
11:35 PM, 3/2/2011
REPORT ABUSE
This IS Hilarious....for such a persecuted group to NOW be PERSECUTING each other...What a Joke!! You can't have it both ways People!!

You are just making folks even more unsympathetic to your cause.....talk about BLOWING IT!!

Haven't you ever heard of the saying "Live and Let Live"?
This IS precisely....going to be your downfall!!

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:37 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #21  
charliehall Says:

We do have freedom of religion. But we also have property rights. And the condo association has the right to restrict use as long as they don't treat one religion differently from others. If you don't like the condo rules you don't have to live there.

And you are not correct regarding "chassidim have the right to their own private minyan, and minhagim". Halachically when you move to a new community you must conform to the minhagim of that community.

Charlie Hall. You are absolutely right. when in rome do as the romans do. I hold that everyone MUST abide by the rules of any board or condo rules and regulations. AND any and ALL laws of this country as well.
We jews are a law abiding people,we LIVE by the book. Maybe you mis understood me in my comment.
What i mean to say is, that the general (frum) population should hold together and should daven with the shul period. IF on the other hand,some find it too hard to walk (and it is a long walk for some residents) or feel uncomfortable davening in the shul,( as some do) I feel they have the right by all means to daven in their own apts. I am not referring to starting a major minyan,just a small one.
I see nothing wrong with doing this.
And with all RESPECT to all the ridiculous rules and regs, of this retarded place ( and i have my personal reason for making this outlandish statement) The chassidim are not doing anything wrong(again in my opinion) by davening by themselves.
as the saying goes,different strokes for different folks. AND the SECULAR so called JEWS shouldnt have a word to critisize the chassidim.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 07:52 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #21  
charliehall Says:

We do have freedom of religion. But we also have property rights. And the condo association has the right to restrict use as long as they don't treat one religion differently from others. If you don't like the condo rules you don't have to live there.

And you are not correct regarding "chassidim have the right to their own private minyan, and minhagim". Halachically when you move to a new community you must conform to the minhagim of that community.

and here i am going away from the subjec at hand and point out some facts. 1) when was the last time any of the secular jews in Cent. Village did ANYTHING for yiddishkeit? (except going to temple on the holy days,and maybe making an appeal for UJA) Who started Hatzolah,Misaskim,Bikkur cholim,Tomche Cholim,Chaverim,Tomche shabbos, etc,etc etc. Mi k amcha Yisroel! Yes WE have what to be proud of. We dont practice religion in our heart. WE LIVE RELIGION.
So, Please ( and i know one thing has nothing to do with the other) give the hassidim some slack.They truly deserve it.
Me, i, am a Mod. Orthodox,Young israel type,(who by the way loves to spend my passovers in CANCUN,and not in florida) so,i am not taking sides here,although some of my best friends are hasids.
So, I, dont want to sound too extreme in my views in the hasid's favor. I just feel and believe in live and let live.
And as i mentioned before,some of the old folks have nothing in their lives, and nothing to live for,except watch the grass grow in front of their apts, or sit and do nothing at the club house,or at the pool. They shouldnt utter a word in critisizing anyone. they should just take their EX LAX, and GEITOL

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 08:31 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Reply to #58  
CV Says:

Don't force the men to use the lake as a mikveh, it has alligators especially during the rainy time of year. keep them safe and let them use the pool. please be considerate

I was so disgusted when reading the story and many posts. But then I saw yours. I laughed so hard. I still am. My kids are staring at me.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 09:55 PM Supporter Says:

Reply to #34  
Yossi Says:

I dont understand the need of a Minyen in a private apartment when there is one across the street...I understand the people who live in the Wmsbg. projects on the higher floors and they need a minyen Friday night or at shalesh sides and also in KJ when the weather is harsh there are many houses who make a minyen. But in Florida with such georgeous weather i believe Mr. Feder and Mr. Sandel can walk across the street and there is NO need for this Machloykes...

If you have not read yet, the shul is a good 20 min walk, and NOT across the street. Its outside of the entire village fenced in gate.

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 Mar 03, 2011 at 11:55 PM ish emmes Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

As usual, there is a small cadre of frumies acting outside of the rules. Virtually all of these Florida condos prohibit any use of their facilities for any non-residential use. This arrogance and insensitivity to the rules "l'shem mitzvah" is a busha. It should be stopped before C'V the same behavior spreads to other South Florida condos.

last year they lost as a house of worship summons so now they t rying as "unlawful assembly". I am suddenly a respiratory patient and cant go 20-25 minutes to the shul
on hot days and Mr. Feder has recently had many mini strokes as some have nwheelchairs. Many residents get together for card and dance meetings. For 20 years
Miami co ops residents NOT CHASIDIM fought this battle against self hating Je ws h
who make your "frummie " comments. May u be healthy and not need a close minyan
for sickness.

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 Mar 04, 2011 at 12:16 AM ish emmes Says:

Reply to #54  
Pragmatist Says:

I have owned a condo in Century Village for the past 5 years and am familiar with the situation. Up to very recently, Litvaks, yeshivish types, chasidishe types, yekkes, MO, no label frum Jews, etc., all davened in one shul. However, a few recent newcomers, (mainly from Monroe, NY) don't want to daven with the rest of us and opened up an illegal shul in two condo apartments. This has noting to do with not being able to walk to the existing shul and has everything to do with a small group of non tolerant newcomers that want to force everyone to bend to their whims. Talk about a chilul hashem. Before they purchased their condos they knew that the Century Village Association bylaws, their condo association bylaws and the West Palm Beach laws all prohibits them from doing what they are doing but they don't give a hoot. Their attitude is "I'll decide which rules to keep and which to break". Perhaps we can get some nice Moslems to open a mosque next to these low lifes so that they can can get a taste of their own medicine.

Your hem "low lifes" indictes your sinas Yisroel and makes anything you write irrelevant. Hitler did not care whom he put into the oven. Long before the shul, board members cut the
he power of Orthodox people in century village because "they don't want the Orthodox".
Before the Chassidim came. Shame on you for low point in name calling these old yiddden holocaust 'low lifes" how low have u stooped??

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 Mar 04, 2011 at 12:21 AM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #40  
CV Says:

Building presidents are volunteers, they give of their time and experience to maintain the value and integrity of our investment.
I enjoy my residence throughout the year, we come down summer and winter for weekends
Herring bones and Kichel crumbs left over in a uninhabited unit even for a few hours is asking for trouble. especially in Florida. The bugs migrate to other units
Poeple milling about outside the unit during Minyan or Laining are bothersome to the neighbors who want privacy to enjoy their weekend down south. Let us have respect for their wishes.

their "weekend" most of the folks there already have a foot in the grave. why make it miserable for the jewish ones? it sounds like the JUDDENRAT in hitler's army.

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 Mar 04, 2011 at 12:36 AM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #37  
mj00056 Says:

These Condo Commanders are a "law" unto themselves, they are sickening old folks with no purpose in their life other than to be bossy and imagine that they are powerful and important. In their "real" working , previous life they were do nothing cubicle dwellers and "yes" men, now they are trying to over-compensate in their last remaining crummy years. I speak from experience, because I live in FL, and had to move out of one of these insane asylums in Lauderhill ( they don't allow motor-cycles)
One Jewish old man and his wife (self hating, loathsome creeps) complained that my son was wearing tzittzes out, where they could see them, and were "offended" by the sight. They should all live and be well and pass quickly to their 'reward" in the next world.

mj0006 youre so right. you hit it on the head! these old miserable,jewish anti semites,have nothing better to do with useless lives,than to start trouble at every chance.
such useless corpes.

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 Mar 04, 2011 at 10:01 AM Berel_E Says:

Reply to #2  
charliehall Says:

I few minutes of internet searching led to the discovery that there does indeed appear to be a perfectly reasonable Orthodox synagogue directly across the street from the entrance to Century Village. Why is there need for another?

there are 3 different Century Villages. I think the Century Village with the Orthodox synagogue accross the street is the CV in Deerfield beach. The CV in the article is in West Palm

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 Mar 04, 2011 at 12:59 PM Florida Bound Toady Says:

You can buy a condo near a shul in these place for less than the price of a car. You can keep it up for less than the cost of 4 restaurant meals (couple with wine) a month. It's a no brainer, Boca has 2 shul's ( 1 orthodox 1 conseravtive) on the premises and a new Rav coming in. for the Orthodox Shul. Deerfield and Boca are in the middle of the fastest growing Jewish community in North America. Our brethren from Monroe and Willianmsburg discovered this during the last Spring and bought in West Palm Beach. They left their shovels and boots up North and come down as Snowbirds, for weekends or longer We welcome all newcomers.

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 Mar 05, 2011 at 09:34 PM BubbeRifka Says:

Reply to #72  
Berel_E Says:

there are 3 different Century Villages. I think the Century Village with the Orthodox synagogue accross the street is the CV in Deerfield beach. The CV in the article is in West Palm

Wrong. There are four different Century Villages. I live in Century Village in Pembroke Pines. We have a beautiful Orthodox Shul right inside the village. It is a Young Israel. I bought my condo two years ago since I could see the Shul from my patio. The prices are great right now. This Century Village is the newest and was completed in 1998 and the Shul opened in 2002. As they say: Come on down. Our membership is small enough that we are a family. People really care for each other. The kosher restaurants and stores are close. And we also have our washters/dryers in the unit which is wonderful. Check out our website which is youngisraelpembrokepines.com Buy where there is an Orthodox established Shul already instead of fighting the laws which has been established. Don't fight, just enjoy Florida living.

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 Mar 05, 2011 at 09:39 PM Bubbe Rifka Says:

Reply to #67  
Supporter Says:

If you have not read yet, the shul is a good 20 min walk, and NOT across the street. Its outside of the entire village fenced in gate.

Come to Century Village in Pembroke Pines. I see my Orthodox Shul from my patio and there are lots of condos available close to the Shul. We are a Young Israel. Check us out on our website: youngisraelpembrokepines.com Instead of fighting, come and enjoy living down here where an Orthodox Shul already exists.

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 Mar 05, 2011 at 09:53 PM BubbeRifka Says:

Please do not leave out Century Village of Pembroke Pines. It is the newest and we have an Orthodox Shul within the Village. It is a Young Israel. Visit our website and you will see pictures of the Shul. I see the Shul from my patio which is why I bought one two years ago. I live here all year and love it. Come on down.

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 Mar 06, 2011 at 01:12 PM thinking of investing Says:

Hey Pembrooke great to hear from you. I heard its nice there, Seems that each place has its own mailos and chisronos. WPB . inexpensive but a little older, Deerfield close the beach but more hurricane prone. Boca ine the heart of Jewish Community, buggier but less hurricane prone. How is the bug situation at Pembrooke, you are further inland?? are bugs a problem, what about kosher amenities

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