New York – The New Square Kashrus Council has announced that all types of Cascade Action Pacs dishwasher detergent should not be used as the gel packet containing the soap is made out of non-kosher materials, placing them in the category of nevayla/treifa.
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All Cascade Action Pacs, no matter when they were purchased, should be discarded.
This announcement affects only Cascade Action Pacs and all other Cascade products bearing reliable supervision may be used.
Asked if use of this item created any kashrus problems in either the dishwasher itself or items that were in the dishwasher at the time of use, a spokesman at New Square Kosher told VIN News “Our Rabbonim said that the keilim are not a problem, but it is a appropriate to run the dishwasher through one cycle, without dishes and with no soap.”
I don’t get it…if the soap capsule was treifus and keylim that would ‘aborb treifus” through heating were in the dishwasher, why isn’t this a problem for the dishes washed with this soap over several years??
NSK hashgucha does always an amazing job. I always prefer to eat from their hashgucha as I respect their thorough research and knowledge. Keep up!
Oh please stop with this nonsense. I mean it’s not like I’m gonna eat it it’s just for washing dishes. How are the dishes made? maybe it has treifene chemicals and your not allowed to use dishes?
If its nevele why are we not obligated to kasher the utensils?
But rabbi, it’s just soap! It’s not food, so why should we pay you for a kosher certification? Who’d care if their soap is unkosher? I mean, nobody eats soap, right?
You just watch me, you little pisher. Either pay up, or I’ll put the word on the street that nobody can buy your soap!
If the Keilim are not a problem, then why cannot this be used?
the problem is the pack which is made of pork gelatin and it is not nifsal m’achilas kelev…
even its botul b’shishim, and you dont need to kasher the keilim, you may not be a mevatel issur leketchila and put in treife gelatin together with your keilim.
please dont compare soap or the utensils themselves, to gelatin.
if you dont understand this, ask a rav and he will explain it to you. its very simple for someone who knows the halacha.
The halochos of taruvos are very complex and the average layman cannot expect to understand. There are many many details. Please, if a heart surgeon said something would you also say “but why, bla bla bla”? Trust a rabbi, this is their area of expertise.
Whats with the “new” announcement? Every other Cascade product has an OU on it. This one has been out for years. No certification should make it obvious there is a problem here.
Why is every one asking so many questions…If you rely on New Square hashguche just follow their Daas Torah and if NOT go ask your local Poysek who paskens all your other Shaless..There is no need to debate this Cascade issue between bale batim…
isn’t this the equivalent Halacha to Bishul Akum or Pas Palter?
” the gel packet containing the soup”
Soup?? Who washes dishes (or anything else, come to that) with soup?
So long as drugs are kosher, who cares?
Aren’t these items reliably kosher certified ???
Oyyy Veyy Zmir !!! ?I use this brand the whole time! In fact i just bought a new pack.. So what brands can we use?
I still don’t get why if the batul bashishim means that we don’t have to kasher the keylim that had been previously washed with this soap “capsule”, it is assur for any future use. Either it is kosher or not.
I guess with all the trouble we go through to maintain kashrus at home, the thought that many of us have been washing our dishes with pork fat-based soap, however small the amount, is very upsetting. I doubt anyone else cares but it bothers me.
I just put down the phone listening to the new interview on the Yiddish Hotline ‘Kol Mevaser’ (114 on the menu) where the Mashgiach Rabbi Gruber from New Square Kashrus explains that the Keilim need indeed be Kashered if possible. You can all listen to it on your own.
I just called a Cascade representative. She read the ingredients of the packet to me, and said they may contain traces of animal products, even though they are mostly plastic. I always trusted Cascade to be kosher, and didn’t even check for the hechsher on the bag. I was actually running a load in my meat dishwasher as I read the article, and am thoroughly disgusted.
No wonder they are so tasty!
The bottom line here is that if you are concerned you need to ask your rov. I could tell you that in the mainstream kashrus industry this is not a problem. There is plenty to rely on that the gelatin is mutar l’chatchila since by nature it is nifsal. Anyone who knows how gelatin is made would understand. Granted we try and take the up and up so we dont accept non reliably certified gelatin. Soap by definition is from a fat and most fats are shmaltz. Soaps that have hashgocha such as the OU are not made from animal shmaltz.
Again, ask a shayla from a COMPETENT Rov but it should really not be a problem. And if you are concerned, dont use it again but dont make yourself mishiga!