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Published on: April 13, 2011 05:29 PM
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New York - In a major development, sending shockwaves through Borough Park’s tight-knit Jewish community, VIN News has confirmed that a Brooklyn rabbi who was sentenced to a 10 ½ to 32 year prison term for child molestation a year ago was released on $250,000 bail and house arrest pending the appeal of his conviction, after it was determined that witnesses who had testified against him had been paid to falsely claim that they had been molested by 60 year old Rabbi Boruch Lebovits.

Lebovits was represented on appeal by high-power attorney Alan Dershowitz and his original defense lawyer Arthur Aidala.

As was reported earlier on VIN News, Samuel Kellner, 49, was arraigned today in Brooklyn Supreme Court for 10 counts of grand larceny, perjury and conspiracy that can land him behind bars for up to 21 years.

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In an exclusive interview with VIN News, Brooklyn Assemblyman Dov Hikind stressed the importance of making sure that no one is ever convicted of a crime they didn’t commit.

“It is reprehensible and an embarrassment when someone does something like this and I don’t care what his motives were.  I don’t know what the end result will be in this case, but we need to be extremely careful so that even a single innocent person isn’t falsely accused.  I can’t tell you how many cases we have on a regular basis and we are so careful because I wouldn’t want to be the one being accused of a crime that I didn’t commit.”

According to the NY Daily News, Kellner pleaded not guilty and his lawyer Israel Fried described him as an advocate of sexual-abuse victims, which made him a lightening rod in the ultra-orthodox neighborhood.

“It seems reasonable that people in the community who are aware of him bringing people to justice will have a vendetta against my client,” he said.

Kellner allegedly attempted to extort $400,000 from Lebovitz after learning in 2008 that a young man had brought charges of sexual abuse against Rabbi Lebovits. 
When the family refused to pay, Kellner allegedly paid off witnesses to lie and claim that Lebovits had abused them as well, resulting in greater charges being brought against him.

An investigation into Lebovits - a wealthy man who owned a travel agency - began when Kellner’s close relative accused the rabbi of inappropriate touching, sources said.

Lebovits was hit with a misdemeanor, but when a second accuser - the one paid by Kellner - came forward, the rabbi was slapped with felony counts, prosecutors said.

The charges relating to Kellner’s relative were eventually dismissed, and the second accuser later refused to testify at trial.

Meanwhile, representatives for Kellner told the Lebovits family to pay up or another victim would come forward, prosecutors said.

When the family refused, a third accuser stepped forward and gave testimony in March 2010 that led to Lebovits’ conviction.

A source told the Daily News that third accuser was also tainted, having been offered $50,000 to take the stand.

“We believe everything was premeditated all along. All they wanted was the money,” said a relative of Lebovits who asked not to be named. “The DA has him on recordings.”

Lebovits is expected to use these new developments to challenge his original conviction.


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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:

B"H

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:32 PM sugnur Says:

chasdi Hasham - let this sfuff come before a beth din and formal hasruas beth din - this going to courts should stop chasdie hasham

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:34 PM CHASDE HASHIEM! Says:

at end he was right he didnt plead guilty! chasde hashem ! burich mater asirem!

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:35 PM shredready Says:

this is the right thing to do, and if there is other evidence against him retry him, but the original case is now very tainted and someone should not sit in jail after sucha disclosure.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:40 PM airtravelar Says:

chasdei hashem

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:41 PM Tina1 Says:

wow

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:41 PM simplelogic Says:

CHASDEI HASHEM!!!! great news for pesach! and great news for justice. "IF" Kelner is guilty of what he is accused of then he should do the time instead of lebowitz.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:46 PM shianbet Says:

B"H, God is running the show after all...

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:55 PM friend Says:

Mazel tov. This is really a big geula lekuvod passover.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:57 PM Shmoger Says:

which Samuel Kellner is this?

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 05:59 PM Moshko Says:

I hope to G-D that this will be the beginning of the end for N Rosenberg.
Boorich Hashem.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:00 PM bestnewsline: Says:

chosdi hashem: i dont know how to thank hashem for doing this: this is a lesson for guys who are looking to find bad things by somone. should look on himself and he will find it. i'm so happy that finely he is out: like i send out before on twitter he is on the way home. to boro park

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:05 PM shvigger Says:

So Kellner, the tzadik, who sticks up for abuse victims may not be such a tzadik after all.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:10 PM jewishtaliban Says:

12 commens saying chasdie hashem!! For what??? Now instead of one creep in jail we will have two?? It still says lebowitz is guilty(that's a fact ) just not as many
And now this clown is going into jail for extortion what's the chasdie hashem??????

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:15 PM jewishtaliban Says:

Reply to #11  
Moshko Says:

I hope to G-D that this will be the beginning of the end for N Rosenberg.
Boorich Hashem.

What's wrong with you?? Nuchum rosenberg is the best thing that happened to the frum community he is a saint wait till its your kid then we will see if you just want to sweep it under the rug and let the pervert still be a rebbe LO SAMOD AL DAM RAECHA.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:18 PM HaMaven Says:

"Lebovits was represented on appeal by high-power attorney Alan Dershowitz and his original defense lawyer Arthur Aidala."

Note: Unfortunately many individuals suffer through prison terms, simply fore they do not have the financial ability to prove their innocents.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:19 PM MrSmith Says:

I hope next is Rubashkin I'yh bakoroiv

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
simplelogic Says:

CHASDEI HASHEM!!!! great news for pesach! and great news for justice. "IF" Kelner is guilty of what he is accused of then he should do the time instead of lebowitz.

V'asisem lo k'aasher zommam.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:28 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #17  
MrSmith Says:

I hope next is Rubashkin I'yh bakoroiv

No evidence anyone ever created fraudlent evidence or testimony in that case. Rubashkin really did apply for those loans.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
jewishtaliban Says:

12 commens saying chasdie hashem!! For what??? Now instead of one creep in jail we will have two?? It still says lebowitz is guilty(that's a fact ) just not as many
And now this clown is going into jail for extortion what's the chasdie hashem??????

If only the media will boast about this as they did when BM was arrested, which caused a grave Chillul Hashem (even according to you), and some posters here were dancing for this chillul hashem.
Now this will reverse it all and cause a kidush hashem. Too bad for Samuel Kellner.

You can say chasdie hashem for the release of an innocent 60 yr old man who was sentenced for 32 years, which means for life.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 06:45 PM bestnewsline Says:

Reply to #15  
jewishtaliban Says:

What's wrong with you?? Nuchum rosenberg is the best thing that happened to the frum community he is a saint wait till its your kid then we will see if you just want to sweep it under the rug and let the pervert still be a rebbe LO SAMOD AL DAM RAECHA.

Shame on you. dont talk like that.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:08 PM shredready Says:

hold on a minute let think for a minute,
to pick this case as proof that molestation accusation is nonsense in most cases and that it does not happen and whatever, is wrong. It is like bringing in one story of a person who is alive because they did not wear seat belts. (if I have to explain I would be wasting my time)

this does not by any chance disqualify any other case and definitely does not mean one should not go to the police. It that would happen that would be very sad and give molesters free rein. This sadly will be used by the naysayers, that abuse does not happen in the community and nothing needs to be done

why are so many quickly to to defend lebowitz that he innocent and the kelner guy who is also frum guilty. Does it make more sense that a yid would extort money and destroy another yids life just for some cash?

In addition to all who are now screaming see he was innocent, we do not know and remember their were more than one boy who accused him there where a few.

Most likely kellner heard that lebowitz was being accused and saw an opportunity to make some fast cash from lebowitz's son.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:10 PM shredready Says:

if true let them both rot

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:25 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

If only the media will boast about this as they did when BM was arrested, which caused a grave Chillul Hashem (even according to you), and some posters here were dancing for this chillul hashem.
Now this will reverse it all and cause a kidush hashem. Too bad for Samuel Kellner.

You can say chasdie hashem for the release of an innocent 60 yr old man who was sentenced for 32 years, which means for life.

what kidush hashem this is really a big Chillul Hashem a yid extorting money from another yid

PS How do you know he is innocent and what about the other boys who accused him way before Kellner got involved

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:26 PM sugnur Says:

Reply to #19  
charliehall Says:

No evidence anyone ever created fraudlent evidence or testimony in that case. Rubashkin really did apply for those loans.

its a shame that we have such people in our community

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:30 PM Sherree Says:

BL is a child molester and there are enough victims who came forward. Even Daskalowitz admitted that he was a victim of Boruch Lebowitz. Furthermore upon his conviction he shrugged and said he too was a victim of child molestation. Why would he say that if he wasn't guilty. Use your brains people. This is all a ploy to get him out. It makes no sense and it will all come out later that this too was a lie. Hashem yirachem, what does it take to get through to the Rabbonim and the general public that this a plague on our people????

How many lives need to be destroyed before this is taken seriously? I don't know for sure what this story is about, but it is really fishy and smells to high heaven. How convenient and neat that this happened in in just one day Hynes has let him out. Give me a break, this is all tied up in a nice little package. I'm not buying it. It is too contrived.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:39 PM Zman Chariseinu Says:

Mazal Tov! At least the truth came out

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
jewishtaliban Says:

What's wrong with you?? Nuchum rosenberg is the best thing that happened to the frum community he is a saint wait till its your kid then we will see if you just want to sweep it under the rug and let the pervert still be a rebbe LO SAMOD AL DAM RAECHA.

With few exceptions, most askanim and mental health professionals who work with issues of abuse are horrified by NR's actions. It is characteristic that he mutilates the reputations of innocent people. He uses the tool of his publicity without regard to guilt or innocence, and his own investigations (if there are any) have never been subjected to any verification. So it's only his word. He does get the credit for bringing this issue to light. But it is high time that he be seen for the menuval he has been. Don't anyone get the numbers about the popularity of his hotline as an indication of how serious the problem is. The majority of callers are children who are informed of the pornographic nature of his hotline, and they dial the number repeatedly. That does not indicate an epidemic of abuse. There certainly is a serious problem, and it is being dealt with, perhaps slower than many would like. But NR's days of accomplishing anything moral are long over. Yes, there is abuse, and there is no safer place for a pedophile than jail. But the public chatter as NR does it has no Torah or moral basis.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:44 PM MrSmith Says:

Reply to #19  
charliehall Says:

No evidence anyone ever created fraudlent evidence or testimony in that case. Rubashkin really did apply for those loans.

Yes he applied for the loans & made each & every payment on time on those loans. They came after him for illegal immigrants & shut his business so he had to default on the loans. No one in history got that sentence for a false entry on a bank loan application.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 07:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
MrSmith Says:

I hope next is Rubashkin I'yh bakoroiv

SMR was never implicated in any sort of child abuse nor was he convicted on the testimony of one or two witnesses. There is no comparison between these matters. While I agree 100 percent his sentence was too long, no one is suggesting he was totally innocent of all the crimes of which he was convicted.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:20 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #27  
Zman Chariseinu Says:

Mazal Tov! At least the truth came out

what truth,

I do not see why this means lebowitz is innocent there where a few victims and the third who testified was not the one who got paid.

Of course a new trail is need to ascertain his guilt or innocence.

Amazing people will go to any length to deny molestation in the community

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:16 PM enlightened-yid Says:

The case is confusing. We either have a completely innocent man convicted based on lies from witnesses, or we still have a rich child molester who was being taken advantage of in an extortion scheme. Fortunately for other child molesters in these tight-knit frum communities, allegations will be shrugged off as extortion schemes or lying witnesses, but this case will be a set-back for real victims in the frum communities who already face pressure and resistance to bury these allegations from public eyes.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:18 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #29  
MrSmith Says:

Yes he applied for the loans & made each & every payment on time on those loans. They came after him for illegal immigrants & shut his business so he had to default on the loans. No one in history got that sentence for a false entry on a bank loan application.

he was defaulting before the raid please

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:26 PM MrSmith Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

SMR was never implicated in any sort of child abuse nor was he convicted on the testimony of one or two witnesses. There is no comparison between these matters. While I agree 100 percent his sentence was too long, no one is suggesting he was totally innocent of all the crimes of which he was convicted.

I wasn't trying to compare the 2 cases. Nor did I say that SMR is completely innocent. All I said was he got much more punishment that is warranted for such crimes & I hope he will be released very very shortly, like right now I'yh.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:28 PM reb yona Says:

I beleived that all this encouraging in the last few years for "victims" of abuse to come foward, rather encouraged money hungry or attention hungry people to come foward.
Together with all of klal yisroel, this is a very happy day for me

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:30 PM grund Says:

B"H I was zocha to hear this great news, lekuved pessach ahhh thank you hashem, borich matir asirim, yeshias hashem keherv eyen

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
MrSmith Says:

I wasn't trying to compare the 2 cases. Nor did I say that SMR is completely innocent. All I said was he got much more punishment that is warranted for such crimes & I hope he will be released very very shortly, like right now I'yh.

I doubt he will be "released very shortly". He was sentenced to about 27 years and has probably served less than 2 years of his sentence. Hopefully, he will be released while he is still alive to see his children and grandchildren.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 09:05 PM Lo Saamod? Lo seshakru? Din eidus? Says:

Look how low we have fallen! Someone gets accused of the lowest, (molestation) and everybody pounces on him! "he's done it to sooo many kids" Everybody knew it all along! Well if all of you "know" he did it, why didn't you report him to the authorities much earlier! (Being that all of you know hallacha, that it's what must be done). Even worse, when the authorities sense it's not such a clear cut case, and free him on bail, you "know" he did it to many more kids! (just the prosecutor doesn't know it, otherwise he would've never agreed to bail! being that he still has a healthy case!). Sadly people have a problem swallowing that a yid goes free, must be (imho) that they just hate yiddin! the more he can be stepped on, rather than be hurt that another yid is sick, they feast on another yids woes!

I'm not saying he didn't do it. I'm not saying if he belongs in jail or not, that's up to the prosecutor (if he has a case), Eitherway, I believe that wherever it happened, it must be dealt with asap!, it's just to my sorrow that my own brothers are fueling the flames of anti semitism by being happy at a brothers downfall, desease, etc. King david says, binfol ovecha, even more ur brother.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't know anything about this particular case, but I do know of two other cases where disturbed individuals falsely accused upstanding individuals of molestation. The consequences were devastating. There's a good reason that the law deems the accused "innocent until proven guilty." Too many people in VIN and similar venues are happy to attack anyone accused of molestation.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 08:52 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #19  
charliehall Says:

No evidence anyone ever created fraudlent evidence or testimony in that case. Rubashkin really did apply for those loans.

Maybe, but I hope you're not implying that the punishment fits the crime vis a vis SMR.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 09:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
charliehall Says:

No evidence anyone ever created fraudlent evidence or testimony in that case. Rubashkin really did apply for those loans.

charlie youre always showing your self hating jewish side. nothing new here. cant you ever find a nice thing to say about rubashkin? the govt was out to get him. it's called "selective enforcement" but when charlie rangel who writes our tax laws lol rips off the govt,all he gets is a slap on the wrist,and a wink.did did ever criticize him?

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Liepa Says:

Maybe, but I hope you're not implying that the punishment fits the crime vis a vis SMR.

Again, stop implying that SMR was ever alleged to have committed child molestation. Its NOT true. He was convicted for white collar crimes and the sentence was clearly much longer than he deserved. Several former AGs have supported a reduction in his sentence and would never have done so if he was charged with any form of abuse.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 09:40 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #35  
shredready Says:

he was defaulting before the raid please

so what if he was? is that a crime? how many americans defaulted on their loans in the last 4 years? florida # 2 in the nation @ 75,000 and Vegas @ 93,000 and youre looking at rubashkin? go look at charlie rangel. nuff said.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 09:41 PM kneidel Says:

Intresting that I was just talking with friends about him, even if he did do what they say he did he shouldn't of gotten 32 years. I hope and pray that he should be released soon...

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 10:14 PM Truth Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

With few exceptions, most askanim and mental health professionals who work with issues of abuse are horrified by NR's actions. It is characteristic that he mutilates the reputations of innocent people. He uses the tool of his publicity without regard to guilt or innocence, and his own investigations (if there are any) have never been subjected to any verification. So it's only his word. He does get the credit for bringing this issue to light. But it is high time that he be seen for the menuval he has been. Don't anyone get the numbers about the popularity of his hotline as an indication of how serious the problem is. The majority of callers are children who are informed of the pornographic nature of his hotline, and they dial the number repeatedly. That does not indicate an epidemic of abuse. There certainly is a serious problem, and it is being dealt with, perhaps slower than many would like. But NR's days of accomplishing anything moral are long over. Yes, there is abuse, and there is no safer place for a pedophile than jail. But the public chatter as NR does it has no Torah or moral basis.

So tell me Mr. Anon. -Let's say I agree with you that NR is a menuval, so how do you want the Jewish community to deal with molestors?
A. Pretend there aren't any.
B. Like the case I personally know of a principal who lives near me and the yeshiva fired him, but didn't say why and he was first picked up as a Rebbe first and then as a Menahel someplace else.
C. Have the Bais Din investigate and ridicule and destroy any witnesses against the pervert.
We as Yidden with our Bais Dinim have Failed to protect our children!
The Rambam says if you want to change a middah you have to go to the opposite extreme. This is what Rosenberg is doing. It might not be ideal, but it raises the awareness. Unfortunately, there are many people like you who are in denial and this why we have the situation of these predators. Instead of constantly complaining about this guy, why don't you and most of the frum " sleeping sheep"
community start demanding from our Rabbonim, Yeshivos & Botey Dinim to get rid of these people in our midst -Ooveartah Hora Mekirbecha!
BTW, I never met this guy Rosenberg in my life. He might have to give a Din V'chesbon on what he does, but the enablers of molestors are worse!

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM yidNYC Says:

This should also serve a strong warning to the Vaad Hatznious in Wiliamsburg who are known to have extorted money from people, that they might be next.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
yidNYC Says:

This should also serve a strong warning to the Vaad Hatznious in Wiliamsburg who are known to have extorted money from people, that they might be next.

The Vaad of Williamsburg does not engage in "extortion". Any "fees" they impose are legitimate charges to offset their administrative expenses needed to protect yidden in the neighborhood from all sorts of pritzus.

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 Apr 13, 2011 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
jewishtaliban Says:

What's wrong with you?? Nuchum rosenberg is the best thing that happened to the frum community he is a saint wait till its your kid then we will see if you just want to sweep it under the rug and let the pervert still be a rebbe LO SAMOD AL DAM RAECHA.

Can someone please explain to me how the American justice system works?? Any stupid person can stand up ant testify against someone that he molested him, and they put him in jail for 30 years?!? I mean I could just take anyone I hate, take him to court and testify that he molested me as a child, and off he goes to jail for 30 years? Is this ridiculous or crazy or what? Where's justice? Why take the word of the plaintiff who could be the biggest lowlife and bum, against the word of the defendant, who's usually a respected member of the community? Please explain as I am baffled about how the injustice system works.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:02 AM shvigger Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Can someone please explain to me how the American justice system works?? Any stupid person can stand up ant testify against someone that he molested him, and they put him in jail for 30 years?!? I mean I could just take anyone I hate, take him to court and testify that he molested me as a child, and off he goes to jail for 30 years? Is this ridiculous or crazy or what? Where's justice? Why take the word of the plaintiff who could be the biggest lowlife and bum, against the word of the defendant, who's usually a respected member of the community? Please explain as I am baffled about how the injustice system works.

Yes. That's how it works. And sometimes innocents will plead guilty to lesser charges even if they haven't committed the crime to avoid long drawn out expensive court cases. What's even more baffling is that VIN commentators who rage against lying, conniving Rabbonim who have ulterior motives, take it for granted that the American justice system is just and fair and that nobody twists the facts just to get even or to gain fame.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:43 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Can someone please explain to me how the American justice system works?? Any stupid person can stand up ant testify against someone that he molested him, and they put him in jail for 30 years?!? I mean I could just take anyone I hate, take him to court and testify that he molested me as a child, and off he goes to jail for 30 years? Is this ridiculous or crazy or what? Where's justice? Why take the word of the plaintiff who could be the biggest lowlife and bum, against the word of the defendant, who's usually a respected member of the community? Please explain as I am baffled about how the injustice system works.

There was more than one victim that testified against him, and more than one victim in court. So why should he be let out on bail, even if this story is true, and I don't believe it is.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:50 AM google Says:

Reply to #26  
Sherree Says:

BL is a child molester and there are enough victims who came forward. Even Daskalowitz admitted that he was a victim of Boruch Lebowitz. Furthermore upon his conviction he shrugged and said he too was a victim of child molestation. Why would he say that if he wasn't guilty. Use your brains people. This is all a ploy to get him out. It makes no sense and it will all come out later that this too was a lie. Hashem yirachem, what does it take to get through to the Rabbonim and the general public that this a plague on our people????

How many lives need to be destroyed before this is taken seriously? I don't know for sure what this story is about, but it is really fishy and smells to high heaven. How convenient and neat that this happened in in just one day Hynes has let him out. Give me a break, this is all tied up in a nice little package. I'm not buying it. It is too contrived.

You admit that you're not sure what this story is about, then you went on a tirade against lebovitz. Shame on you !!

You're full of hot air!! What is a "child molester" ?? Is a 17 year old buchir a "child" ? ?? Cut it !! BML never raped anyone, all that he did, if he did was conscientious, he never touched anyone who was not "in it". Not to say that its right, of course not!! Just don'd make it look worse to further your agenda.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 01:33 AM yidNYC Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

The Vaad of Williamsburg does not engage in "extortion". Any "fees" they impose are legitimate charges to offset their administrative expenses needed to protect yidden in the neighborhood from all sorts of pritzus.

The Vaad are bullies and manipulators.. no one hired them, they have zero profession in their hands, except for creaming and harassing

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 03:22 AM Paskunyak Says:

Reply to #10  
Shmoger Says:

which Samuel Kellner is this?

The Liar Samuel Kellner.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 08:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Truth Says:

So tell me Mr. Anon. -Let's say I agree with you that NR is a menuval, so how do you want the Jewish community to deal with molestors?
A. Pretend there aren't any.
B. Like the case I personally know of a principal who lives near me and the yeshiva fired him, but didn't say why and he was first picked up as a Rebbe first and then as a Menahel someplace else.
C. Have the Bais Din investigate and ridicule and destroy any witnesses against the pervert.
We as Yidden with our Bais Dinim have Failed to protect our children!
The Rambam says if you want to change a middah you have to go to the opposite extreme. This is what Rosenberg is doing. It might not be ideal, but it raises the awareness. Unfortunately, there are many people like you who are in denial and this why we have the situation of these predators. Instead of constantly complaining about this guy, why don't you and most of the frum " sleeping sheep"
community start demanding from our Rabbonim, Yeshivos & Botey Dinim to get rid of these people in our midst -Ooveartah Hora Mekirbecha!
BTW, I never met this guy Rosenberg in my life. He might have to give a Din V'chesbon on what he does, but the enablers of molestors are worse!

I have zero tolerance for child molesters. No jail sentence is long enough. Perhaps one can credit NR for being part of the raising of awareness. But his job inthat has already been completed. All he accomplishes today are: Broadcasting frank pornography on his hotline, maligning people who HE accuses based on as little as casual reports, and proclaiming to be the expert in the field. None of these are either moral or honest.

Yes, you are correct that our rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and batei din need to do much more. They have begun to listen, and they are in constant dialogue with those in the know. For some obvious reason, any askan, any former victim of abuse, or any professional that seeks to meet with any Rov is first asked whether they represent or have any connection with NR - which, if yes, ends the meeting. I still credit NR for the initial bringing to light of the problem (he was one of several), but his role no longer has anything positive. He has my birchas hedyot that he find another cause that can benefit Klal Yisroel, and that he lend his energy to improving things for Yidden.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weingarten is next iy"H - there is much more corruption from the prosecution side against him than you can ever imagine - hopefully his neveilah of an ex wife will go away for a long long time - he just never had the strength to stand up against her

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 10:32 AM clear-thinker Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Can someone please explain to me how the American justice system works?? Any stupid person can stand up ant testify against someone that he molested him, and they put him in jail for 30 years?!? I mean I could just take anyone I hate, take him to court and testify that he molested me as a child, and off he goes to jail for 30 years? Is this ridiculous or crazy or what? Where's justice? Why take the word of the plaintiff who could be the biggest lowlife and bum, against the word of the defendant, who's usually a respected member of the community? Please explain as I am baffled about how the injustice system works.

The American justice system works with the idea that a person must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable. doubt. It states that a single witness is enough to convict someone. Are there mistakes? Of course. Can people lie? Yes? Still it is probably the best system that secular authorities can come up with.
Isn't it lucky that any fool can rant on this site? A rant that asks where is justice and whose solution seems to be?

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 10:53 AM reb yona Says:

Reply to #53  
Sherree Says:

There was more than one victim that testified against him, and more than one victim in court. So why should he be let out on bail, even if this story is true, and I don't believe it is.

i'm sure the court is aware of all your "facts". obviously, if they let him out there's is reasonable doubt in the whole case

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM stamanaar Says:

Reply to #11  
Moshko Says:

I hope to G-D that this will be the beginning of the end for N Rosenberg.
Boorich Hashem.

i couldnt agree with u more.this and stuff like it is the reason that daas torah should reign supreme.daas baal habais just cannot see things the same way.this is what atzas hashem means. a daas torah has siyata dishmaya.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
shvigger Says:

So Kellner, the tzadik, who sticks up for abuse victims may not be such a tzadik after all.

his actions speak for themselves.no further explenations are neede.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

I have zero tolerance for child molesters. No jail sentence is long enough. Perhaps one can credit NR for being part of the raising of awareness. But his job inthat has already been completed. All he accomplishes today are: Broadcasting frank pornography on his hotline, maligning people who HE accuses based on as little as casual reports, and proclaiming to be the expert in the field. None of these are either moral or honest.

Yes, you are correct that our rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and batei din need to do much more. They have begun to listen, and they are in constant dialogue with those in the know. For some obvious reason, any askan, any former victim of abuse, or any professional that seeks to meet with any Rov is first asked whether they represent or have any connection with NR - which, if yes, ends the meeting. I still credit NR for the initial bringing to light of the problem (he was one of several), but his role no longer has anything positive. He has my birchas hedyot that he find another cause that can benefit Klal Yisroel, and that he lend his energy to improving things for Yidden.

wow.you realy chap.n r has outlived his usefulness quite a while back.he is currently on a ego trip.he has definetly done good. but at this point its begining to be yotzo schoro behfsedo.the good being done by him is being erased by all the eye opening information that he is providing to all who had no idea of the birds and the bees.and also all the titles he is bestowing on ALL the rabonim,indiscrimenatly.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

I have zero tolerance for child molesters. No jail sentence is long enough. Perhaps one can credit NR for being part of the raising of awareness. But his job inthat has already been completed. All he accomplishes today are: Broadcasting frank pornography on his hotline, maligning people who HE accuses based on as little as casual reports, and proclaiming to be the expert in the field. None of these are either moral or honest.

Yes, you are correct that our rabbonim, roshei yeshivos, and batei din need to do much more. They have begun to listen, and they are in constant dialogue with those in the know. For some obvious reason, any askan, any former victim of abuse, or any professional that seeks to meet with any Rov is first asked whether they represent or have any connection with NR - which, if yes, ends the meeting. I still credit NR for the initial bringing to light of the problem (he was one of several), but his role no longer has anything positive. He has my birchas hedyot that he find another cause that can benefit Klal Yisroel, and that he lend his energy to improving things for Yidden.

How do ou know that his reports are casual. How do you know how many victim / survivors come to bare their souls to him and speak frankly to him? Which Rabbonim that you know have invited ANY victim / survivors over to even listen to one story that they have to tell? I would love to know of even one. I would love to hear that Chaim Zwiebel or the Novominske Rav has finally invited survivors to a conference and finally allowed them to voice their nightmares so they can fully understand the truth. When that happens then NR has completed his job and not before.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Sherree Says:

How do ou know that his reports are casual. How do you know how many victim / survivors come to bare their souls to him and speak frankly to him? Which Rabbonim that you know have invited ANY victim / survivors over to even listen to one story that they have to tell? I would love to know of even one. I would love to hear that Chaim Zwiebel or the Novominske Rav has finally invited survivors to a conference and finally allowed them to voice their nightmares so they can fully understand the truth. When that happens then NR has completed his job and not before.

NR has used his hotline to blast even the staunch advocates who accomplish more than he does. If you don't know that yet, just ask him. I know several rabbonim who have begun to listen to victims, not to judge but to collect information. As far as CD Zweibel and the Novominsker Rebbe, they have had meetings with victims/survivors. I know because I participated in arranging the meetings, and I spoke to the survivors after the meetings to verify that they occurred as planned, and to describe to me what they found in the reactions to them. NR has clearly outlived his usefulness in this area, and would serve the Klal better by directing his efforts to building something, not blasting and defaming those he disagrees with. I am fully aware that there is much about our established leadership, including Agudah and other organizations that is far behind in making this world safe for our children. And I have not a shred of mercy on a pedophile. As for BML, I have zero knowledge of any details of the case. I have no problem believing he is innocent or guilty. The system here did not work, and the truth is yet to unfold. Meanwhile, much can be done without NR.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 04:31 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #61  
stamanaar Says:

i couldnt agree with u more.this and stuff like it is the reason that daas torah should reign supreme.daas baal habais just cannot see things the same way.this is what atzas hashem means. a daas torah has siyata dishmaya.

the people who claim there are daas torah have failed failed again and again.

A few facts the boy who was bribed DID NOT testify at the trial it was another boy. In
addition there are more complaints against him. So do not say your nonsense that this makes him innocent, since there where more com[plaints against him.

quote from another web site from hynes
"Hynes pointed out that the bribed witness did not testify against Lebovits at trial, and Hynes’ office strongly opposed releasing Lebovits on bail pending appeal. Even so, yesterday a judge granted Lebovits $250,000 bail."

also the Private investigation who uncovered the extortion plot said

“Lebovits is not a tzaddik,” Levine said. "I think he is a child molester. Whether he deserves 5 years [in prison] or 32 years [in prison] is a different story…People think I’m on his side, but I’m not…I want people to know I’m against child abuse and I fight child abuse and crime.” But that includes fighting extortion and witness tampering, which are also crimes.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 04:33 PM shredready Says:

Reply to #61  
stamanaar Says:

i couldnt agree with u more.this and stuff like it is the reason that daas torah should reign supreme.daas baal habais just cannot see things the same way.this is what atzas hashem means. a daas torah has siyata dishmaya.

yes they did a great job before so let them continue since they have such a great record

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 07:37 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

NR has used his hotline to blast even the staunch advocates who accomplish more than he does. If you don't know that yet, just ask him. I know several rabbonim who have begun to listen to victims, not to judge but to collect information. As far as CD Zweibel and the Novominsker Rebbe, they have had meetings with victims/survivors. I know because I participated in arranging the meetings, and I spoke to the survivors after the meetings to verify that they occurred as planned, and to describe to me what they found in the reactions to them. NR has clearly outlived his usefulness in this area, and would serve the Klal better by directing his efforts to building something, not blasting and defaming those he disagrees with. I am fully aware that there is much about our established leadership, including Agudah and other organizations that is far behind in making this world safe for our children. And I have not a shred of mercy on a pedophile. As for BML, I have zero knowledge of any details of the case. I have no problem believing he is innocent or guilty. The system here did not work, and the truth is yet to unfold. Meanwhile, much can be done without NR.

Sorry i don't believe you. If they indeed met with victims the news would have been widespread.

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 Apr 14, 2011 at 11:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Sherree Says:

Sorry i don't believe you. If they indeed met with victims the news would have been widespread.

If not for confidentiality and anonymity, I would share names and dates with you. I'm sorry you wish to challenge facts that don't fit with your agenda. (That was accusatory, more deserved by other activists.) If you have a clue who I mean, you may ask them. I am speaking from first hand knowledge, not hearsay or belief. The meetings I mentioned were catalysts in producing some of the bolder statements made on the subject at the Agudah Convention this year, for which I am in agreement that these were long awaited, but still not far enough. I give credit for the moves made thus far. No one can convince me that NR and his hotline will result in further positive movement.

May I also add that there is a public presentation on reporting on abuse at an upcoming Agudah sponsored conference. I expect this to go even farther than the statement made by the Novominsker Rebbe at the convention. Yet, there is an activist planned protest. Can't the activists cheer on the progress, or must there always be name calling and bizyonos?

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 Apr 15, 2011 at 06:09 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

If not for confidentiality and anonymity, I would share names and dates with you. I'm sorry you wish to challenge facts that don't fit with your agenda. (That was accusatory, more deserved by other activists.) If you have a clue who I mean, you may ask them. I am speaking from first hand knowledge, not hearsay or belief. The meetings I mentioned were catalysts in producing some of the bolder statements made on the subject at the Agudah Convention this year, for which I am in agreement that these were long awaited, but still not far enough. I give credit for the moves made thus far. No one can convince me that NR and his hotline will result in further positive movement.

May I also add that there is a public presentation on reporting on abuse at an upcoming Agudah sponsored conference. I expect this to go even farther than the statement made by the Novominsker Rebbe at the convention. Yet, there is an activist planned protest. Can't the activists cheer on the progress, or must there always be name calling and bizyonos?

When the Agudah comes to the same conclusion as Rav Eliyashuv did, that these cases must be reported to the police who can handle them the best, and put it to rest by putting the molesters in jail and out of business. Then I will believe you. What announcement did the Agudah make in this regard? All I heard was more double talk. I would like to hear clear instructions about mandatory reporting and individual reporting. I want to hear how every yiddishe neshoma is important and can not be a kaporah for the ill or evil. I want to hear how one must go to the police so a second, third, forth or 50th child is not victimized.

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 Apr 17, 2011 at 08:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Sherree Says:

When the Agudah comes to the same conclusion as Rav Eliyashuv did, that these cases must be reported to the police who can handle them the best, and put it to rest by putting the molesters in jail and out of business. Then I will believe you. What announcement did the Agudah make in this regard? All I heard was more double talk. I would like to hear clear instructions about mandatory reporting and individual reporting. I want to hear how every yiddishe neshoma is important and can not be a kaporah for the ill or evil. I want to hear how one must go to the police so a second, third, forth or 50th child is not victimized.

Sherree:

You are intoxicated by your own agenda. In reality, things change in a gradual manner, and this is doing the same. The rantings of the activists cannot speed up that process. You will discover that Agudah will reach the same conclusion, and I fault them, in a sense, for taking too long to accomplish that. They did not make the "statement" yet, because they have inched much closer to that conclusion, but they have not reached it yet. At the end, they will require reporting from everyone, not just mandated reporters and the like. I am also impatient, but I prefer to work "with" the system, not against it. I have entry to Agudah at any time. The activists who choose to waste their energy on being mevazeh the Agudah and its leaders will accomplish nothing. What's so hard to understand? Time takes time. I wish it would go faster.

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