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Jerusalem - Livni: Obama's Speech Was Pro-Israel

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Jerusalem - Opposition leader Tzipi Livni slammed Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Friday for “harming the relationship” between Israel and the US.

“Netanyahu spoke about consensus,” Livni said, “and if there is a consensus in Israel, it’s that the relationship with the US is essential to Israel, and a prime minister that harms the relationship with the US over something unsubstantial is harming Israel’s security and deterrence.”

Livni added that such a prime minister should resign. “I am saying this loud and clear.”

“Israel’s deterrence and legitimacy in the world is directly connected to our relationship with the greatest power in the world, the US,” Livni said.

She explained that Obama’s speech on Thursday “is not reason enough” to challenge the US, and said that Netanyahu’s statements were political and meant to maintain the coalition.

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“An American president that supports the two-state vision is representing Israeli interests and is not anti-Israel,” Livni said.

The only way to stop the Palestinians from unilaterally declaring statehood, Livni explained, is to have the US “convince states that plan to support the decision not to do so, but to support negotiations.”


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 May 20, 2011 at 08:05 AM Boochie Says:

Livni - while I understand your party got the most votes, however most of Israel didn't vote for you
It was your party that pulled jews out of gaza and what did that get you

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 May 20, 2011 at 08:12 AM Aron1 Says:

"“Israel’s deterrence and legitimacy in the world is directly connected to our relationship with the greatest power in the world, the US,” Livni said."
Spoken like a true apikoress (apostate).

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 May 20, 2011 at 08:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Why will it deter them from delaring statehood? Doesn't this give them more legitimacy?

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 May 20, 2011 at 08:24 AM dr. Says:

There is no different between a liberal american or israeli they are both so blinded and wrong.

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 May 20, 2011 at 08:49 AM Babishka Says:

Obama's speech WAS pro-Israel. He did NOT say that Israel must withdraw to the "pre-1967 lines" and he DID say that the Palestinians must accept Israel's right to exist if they want to have a state. Also, he did not say that settlement building has to stop.

People are getting all outraged over what AP reported, which was totally wrong, and nobody is paying attention to what the President actually did say.

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 May 20, 2011 at 09:02 AM 12345 Says:

this is the real problem with the "Jewish" state its "leaders" think america is keeping the Jews there.

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 May 20, 2011 at 09:22 AM genmill Says:

Reply to #5  
Babishka Says:

Obama's speech WAS pro-Israel. He did NOT say that Israel must withdraw to the "pre-1967 lines" and he DID say that the Palestinians must accept Israel's right to exist if they want to have a state. Also, he did not say that settlement building has to stop.

People are getting all outraged over what AP reported, which was totally wrong, and nobody is paying attention to what the President actually did say.

Um..... Have u read the text of his speach? He actually did say the solution begins with a two state solution with pre 1967 borders for israel....

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 May 20, 2011 at 09:27 AM charliehall Says:

It was at least as pro-Israel as Bush.

Here are two statements, one by Bush, one by Obama. Can you tell which one is by which President? Can you find any difference in policy between the two? I can't.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. "

"Israel must have secure and rec...ognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949...."

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 May 20, 2011 at 09:58 AM 4dr8er Says:

Reply to #8  
charliehall Says:

It was at least as pro-Israel as Bush.

Here are two statements, one by Bush, one by Obama. Can you tell which one is by which President? Can you find any difference in policy between the two? I can't.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. "

"Israel must have secure and rec...ognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949...."

One said, it's unrealistic to go back to the 1967 borders & one said they should go back to those borders (though maybe Obama meant July 1967 not May 1967). Not real nuanced & one does not need to be a Talmudic scholar to see that.

Bottom line is that this did represent a policy change of this gov't. It boxed in Israel. All PA has to do is sit back & do nothing & watch (which is what they've been doing all along), because they really have nothing to negotiate anyway, so I'm not sure why we bother.

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM MINBP Says:

Reply to #2  
Aron1 Says:

"“Israel’s deterrence and legitimacy in the world is directly connected to our relationship with the greatest power in the world, the US,” Livni said."
Spoken like a true apikoress (apostate).

Exactly what I wanted 2 write !!!

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:03 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #8  
charliehall Says:

It was at least as pro-Israel as Bush.

Here are two statements, one by Bush, one by Obama. Can you tell which one is by which President? Can you find any difference in policy between the two? I can't.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. "

"Israel must have secure and rec...ognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949...."

bringing facts and reality to the fox Obama hater crowd will not work

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #7  
genmill Says:

Um..... Have u read the text of his speach? He actually did say the solution begins with a two state solution with pre 1967 borders for israel....

You lie. You lie. You lie. Go read the speech. It said they would be "BASED ON" 1967 borders, with land swaps for security, etc.

Why must people like you continue to embarrass yourselves and every intellectual Conservative by perpetuating phony stories. Your lies and distortions are being rejected by by the center and independents and are paving the road for Obama's 2nd term. You are destroying any chance REAL Conservatives have of being elected in 2012. We can't even get a decent, electable Conservative candidate to run now because they are afraid of being labeled (like you are) as part of America's "idiot class".

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM The-Macher Says:

Charlie, you selectively quote as usual. Note that Bush's concern was for ISRAEL's borders; he just did what Sharon asked him to do. The first thing the tzoirer in the White House mentioned is a "viable 'Palestine'" and only then a secure Israel. That speaks volumes, Charlie. Get it?

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:

I agree with #'s 5 & 9. The status quo of the last 45 years cannot be maintained indefinitely. It was never, but never, the intention of Moshe Dayan, Yitzchak Rabin, Ezer Weizman, Abba Eban, David Ben-Gurion, or Golda Meir that the occupation would last nearly half a century.

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:33 AM Kanyeshna Says:

Reply to #2  
Aron1 Says:

"“Israel’s deterrence and legitimacy in the world is directly connected to our relationship with the greatest power in the world, the US,” Livni said."
Spoken like a true apikoress (apostate).

Perhaps to ensure that there is no interruption in continuity, the entire Knesset should just step down and appoint an intermediary to carry out the orders of Obama. That would save a lot of Israeli taxpayer money.

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 May 20, 2011 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
charliehall Says:

It was at least as pro-Israel as Bush.

Here are two statements, one by Bush, one by Obama. Can you tell which one is by which President? Can you find any difference in policy between the two? I can't.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. "

"Israel must have secure and rec...ognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949...."

It's easy to spot, if one has a brain. However, it actually doesn't matter. Odering Israel to give up territory to an enemy who seeks its destruction, let alone to indefensible borders, is wrong, and evil.

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 May 20, 2011 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:

And what will Israel receive in return for giving away their land. The same as they received from giving away Gaza - rockets into Sderot.

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 May 20, 2011 at 11:26 AM Tziony Says:

I'm not sure whether it's his hate of Israel (and Netanyahu) or its his sheer stupidity but Obaba didn't learn his lesson from the first time he opened his big mouth. It was his demand for a construction freeze that made it so that Abbas couldn't agree to negotiations with Israel unless they agreed to a construction freeze since he couldn't be less demanding than Obama. Now that Obama opened his big mouth again, the Palestinians will never agree to anything less than pre-1967 borders (not that they would anyway and not that they did even when offered just about that). For those of you who think he's not Pro-Palestinian, that he's just trying to close the gap between Israel and the Palestinians and that "everyone knows that Israel is going to have to give back most of that land anyway". Explain to me why he did not at the same time say that the Palestinian refugees would not be allowed to return to Israel and would have to settle in their own country. Doesn't everyone agree that will be the case as well? The only ones more anti-Israel are the NK jerks, yemach shemam, who were in Iran last shabbos.

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 May 20, 2011 at 11:28 AM Concerneddoc Says:

Don't even publish this idiots comments. She is clearly Eiruv Rav. Dignifying her comments by publishing them give credence to what would normally be considered the ramblings of a non-useful idiot.

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 May 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM Liepa Says:

Now we know for sure why this yenta is dangerous for Israel.

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 May 20, 2011 at 11:48 AM AshMan Says:

What about the speech is unclear? "1967 lines" means May, 1967; borders haven't changed significantly from July 1967 (unless Obama means Israel gets the Sinai back!). "Sovereign and contiguous [PLO] state" means either Israel swaps the whole south for some of Gaza or Yehuda, or the PLO gets to bisect Israel.

"The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state."

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 May 20, 2011 at 12:39 PM Amachad Says:

Tzipi Livni is a sad case of a Jew pandering to the world. Her parents, both strong Likudniks, would not be too happy with her. The sadest thing in all of this is that there are still so many Jews who do not understand the danger Obama has created for ALL of us Jews. He has also made the world a much more dangerous place by turning American foreign policy on its head and for projecting such weakness towards America's enemies. World stability requires a consistent, resolute United States, and under Obama we have a U.S. that is deferrential towards its foes, and undermining of its allies. We are all indebted to PM Netanyahu for standing up to this Paroh!

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 May 20, 2011 at 12:57 PM Reb Yid Says:

Reply to #8  
charliehall Says:

It was at least as pro-Israel as Bush.

Here are two statements, one by Bush, one by Obama. Can you tell which one is by which President? Can you find any difference in policy between the two? I can't.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. "

"Israel must have secure and rec...ognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli populations centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949...."

If Obama is pro-Israel, why are Jewish Democratic supporters telling the Obama campaign to lay off Israel, as reported on VIN?

As for your two quotes, well, you can't judge two whole presidencies from one quote each. The general tenor of the Bush administration was one of saying whatever was necessary in order to avoid ticking off the Arabs too much, while on the whole leaving Israel alone. The general tenor of the Obama adminstration is to say as much as possible to curry favor with the Arabs (by his own admission).

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 May 20, 2011 at 01:14 PM amerikaner Says:

I knew she was DUMB - didn't know she was DEAF ALSO

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 May 20, 2011 at 01:23 PM A_Simple_Chussid Says:

Reply to #2  
Aron1 Says:

"“Israel’s deterrence and legitimacy in the world is directly connected to our relationship with the greatest power in the world, the US,” Livni said."
Spoken like a true apikoress (apostate).

You surely meant heretic. An apostate is a 'meshumad.'

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 May 20, 2011 at 04:37 PM Upset Says:

Livni is trying to undermind Netanyahu's authority because she will do anything to become the PM. She doen't care about israel she only wants to become PM. There will never be peace until the Moshiach comes. To those people who love Obama their messiah has already come and he has brought peace to their world.

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 May 20, 2011 at 06:55 PM am oratzim! Says:

I think Obama is right - Israel should give back the land they won in 1967, as soon as Obama offers the US to go back to the boundaries we had before we took land from the Indians.

And while we're at it, get back the $24, and give back Manhattan to them. We can surely use the money, can't we?


Or we can go with the American plan - keep the land, but let the Palestinians build casinos and sell tax-free cigarettes!

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