“ We await the rebbe's side of the story. With that said... I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.

1) Are residents allowed to pray at a different shul than that of the rebbe's. If they are not, how is this not coercion?
2) Did the rebbe ever rebuke his people when they damaged cars and other property of the assaulted individual?
3) When protests were held at the assaulted individual's house, what was the purpose? If this was not encouraged, why did the rebbe's son pass by in a car and not tell the people to stop harassing this person? ”

“ I think this is a bit of damage control in response to the overwhelming condemnation of both the attack itself and the subsequent failure of the rebbe to speak out more forcefully. I'm even more surprised that Rav Frankfuter needs an interpreter to communicate with the Rebbe. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the rebbe would be fluent in English. However, its really a shock that the editor of Ami wouldn't be able to speak in Yiddish and needs the guy in the middle to interpret. ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ We await the rebbe's side of the story. With that said... I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.

1) Are residents allowed to pray at a different shul than that of the rebbe's. If they are not, how is this not coercion?
2) Did the rebbe ever rebuke his people when they damaged cars and other property of the assaulted individual?
3) When protests were held at the assaulted individual's house, what was the purpose? If this was not encouraged, why did the rebbe's son pass by in a car and not tell the people to stop harassing this person? ”

“ I think this is a bit of damage control in response to the overwhelming condemnation of both the attack itself and the subsequent failure of the rebbe to speak out more forcefully. I'm even more surprised that Rav Frankfuter needs an interpreter to communicate with the Rebbe. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the rebbe would be fluent in English. However, its really a shock that the editor of Ami wouldn't be able to speak in Yiddish and needs the guy in the middle to interpret. ”

“ I Know Rabbi Frankfurter very well for 30 something years and Yiddish is his mother tounge. Check your facts before commenting on a photo based on your assumptions and speculation. ”

“ Perhaps then it was the rebbe who needed the interpreter. If not, what is the guy in the middle doing? ”

“ Allow me to explain a bit:
1)the Rebbe's father ZT"L sacrificed himself to build this community for the sake of yiddishkeit. He made takanos and the Skever Rebbe follows it strongly. If you do not wish to abide by those rules, no one is stopping you from moving out!
2)The couple of times that I have been zoche to meet the Skvere Rebbe, proved to me what a soft hearted person he is with love for every jew. I cannot imagine that if he did hear about an incident as you discribe, that he would not react.
3) You cannot prove the details of the media, true or false, as, much of the information was not accurate since they were coming from individuals who resent the community due to personal issues... ”

“ I think this is a bit of damage control in response to the overwhelming condemnation of both the attack itself and the subsequent failure of the rebbe to speak out more forcefully. I'm even more surprised that Rav Frankfuter needs an interpreter to communicate with the Rebbe. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the rebbe would be fluent in English. However, its really a shock that the editor of Ami wouldn't be able to speak in Yiddish and needs the guy in the middle to interpret. ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ Thanks for the explanation. It still does not sit with me though. For one, the Rebbe does not own the entire town so he cannot force people to pray at a certain venue. If the Rebbe does not know what is going on in his tighknit community, is he still fit to lead? These are people that consult the rebbe, for most decisions right? I imagine that your correct, that there are people who resent the community.At least some people must be justified. Like the gentelman who was burned. ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ People should give the rebbe the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he is I fact innocent and didn't know that his house bochor was going to pour a flammable liquid on a fellow Jew and then set him on fire.
Maybe he didn't know gAsoline is flammable either. He is a big tzaddik. He doesn't get involved in little gashmius things like we do. Show some bitachon rabosai. ”

“ We await the rebbe's side of the story. With that said... I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.

1) Are residents allowed to pray at a different shul than that of the rebbe's. If they are not, how is this not coercion?
2) Did the rebbe ever rebuke his people when they damaged cars and other property of the assaulted individual?
3) When protests were held at the assaulted individual's house, what was the purpose? If this was not encouraged, why did the rebbe's son pass by in a car and not tell the people to stop harassing this person? ”

“ I think this is a bit of damage control in response to the overwhelming condemnation of both the attack itself and the subsequent failure of the rebbe to speak out more forcefully. I'm even more surprised that Rav Frankfuter needs an interpreter to communicate with the Rebbe. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the rebbe would be fluent in English. However, its really a shock that the editor of Ami wouldn't be able to speak in Yiddish and needs the guy in the middle to interpret. ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ in his last interview with the Mishpacha Magazine the Skvere Rebbe exclaimed that there are no dropouts in Skver. (like Ahmadinejad claimed in an interview that there are no g••s in Iran)

Last time the interview with the Skvere Rebbe appeared right after the pictures with the Clintons were publicized and it was a clear PR stunt to switch the topic. Rumors were circulating then that Skver spent $20k for that PR stunt.

In my humble opinion skver is doing the right thing by going public with its denunciation, and I hope it's a real strong message for Skver and for non Skver alike.

As my mom always used to say "Better late than never!" ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ People should give the rebbe the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he is I fact innocent and didn't know that his house bochor was going to pour a flammable liquid on a fellow Jew and then set him on fire.
Maybe he didn't know gAsoline is flammable either. He is a big tzaddik. He doesn't get involved in little gashmius things like we do. Show some bitachon rabosai. ”

“ Allow me to explain a bit:
1)the Rebbe's father ZT"L sacrificed himself to build this community for the sake of yiddishkeit. He made takanos and the Skever Rebbe follows it strongly. If you do not wish to abide by those rules, no one is stopping you from moving out!
2)The couple of times that I have been zoche to meet the Skvere Rebbe, proved to me what a soft hearted person he is with love for every jew. I cannot imagine that if he did hear about an incident as you discribe, that he would not react.
3) You cannot prove the details of the media, true or false, as, much of the information was not accurate since they were coming from individuals who resent the community due to personal issues... ”

“ The Skevere Rebbe speaks English very well. The man in the middle of the picture is Reb Shaya, the Rebbe's gabbai. They are probably just sharing a remark together. I don't think he's translating. I have spoken with the Rebbe a few times and never needed a translator. ”

“ by the way, since you brought up the title "house bochor", i want to make it clear: this boy was NOT a house bochor in the least bit. This rumor was a false one. ”

“ i think he should say a drushe in public why it happened! ”

“ I will be looking for a few key pieces of information.
Who are you to look for this? Who is even interested in what ur thinking about this whole story!!!????? ”

“ I agree with #1, #28, & #30. Bottom line: a human being was set on fire. Don't try & excuse it as an unfortunate accident: the lunatic was trying to burn the house down while people slept. Either way, he intended this family serious harm & he succeeded in harming Mr. Rottenberg.

I just don't get what's wrong with the rest of you. Have you seen the video? Have you ever been to a burn unit & seen (& heard) the screams of agony from burn victims when their dressings are changed? I have.

Whether or not the Rebbe knew is another issue. I don't think we'll ever know but speculation is rife. Meanwhile, I too have a hard time with anyone equating the victim & the perpetrator. The term "alleged" assault?? How much more proof is needed?

I wish this Spitzer a refuah shleima, then he can rot in jail for 20 years. I honestly believe this is a case of collective community responsibility. No one has come forward to speak out in support of this family. Is there a gag order? What help & support is the family getting? Are they getting anything? Or are people saying it's their own fault & they are still treated as pariahs? Glad I don't live there. Ahavas Yisrael, anyone?

Hateful. ”

“ The story comes to show how low people can be, people who have no idea about Skver they do not know any details of the rabbi and his views, they did not know who Rotenberg was and how much tzar and trouble he caused the rabbi, yet they are happy to comment, texting jumping with all kinds of non sense and Lushen Hora and bezoin talmud chachumim. no! your not better then anyone your trying to condemn in fact you're much worse, since you're considering your self educated.
This Story should have not happen no question about it, but yet the details are unclear, what the media says is 100% not true as we see all the time, we all know what the media likes, and we all know to whom the media spoke, a bunch of Bums. ”

“ Whether or not the Rebbe knew is another issue. I don't think we'll ever know but speculation is rife. Meanwhile, I too have a hard time with anyone equating the victim & the perpetrator. The term "alleged" assault?? How much more proof is needed?

they always use alleged assault I guess for legal reasons.

whether the rebbie knew or did not know might be an unknown. however, what is known is that he created an atmosphere . of oppression that lead to this event. And he still does not address that issue. ”

“ One question explains it all!

Did the Rebbe visit Rottenberg?

If not, WHY???????? ”

“ One question explains it all!

Did the Rebbe visit Rottenberg?

If not, WHY???????? ”

“ I think this is a bit of damage control in response to the overwhelming condemnation of both the attack itself and the subsequent failure of the rebbe to speak out more forcefully. I'm even more surprised that Rav Frankfuter needs an interpreter to communicate with the Rebbe. I had assumed, perhaps incorrectly, that the rebbe would be fluent in English. However, its really a shock that the editor of Ami wouldn't be able to speak in Yiddish and needs the guy in the middle to interpret. ”

“ I heard from an inside sauce that he was the house bochur. You are 100% wrong. ”

“ People should give the rebbe the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he is I fact innocent and didn't know that his house bochor was going to pour a flammable liquid on a fellow Jew and then set him on fire.
Maybe he didn't know gAsoline is flammable either. He is a big tzaddik. He doesn't get involved in little gashmius things like we do. Show some bitachon rabosai. ”

“ Allow me to explain a bit:
1)the Rebbe's father ZT"L sacrificed himself to build this community for the sake of yiddishkeit. He made takanos and the Skever Rebbe follows it strongly. If you do not wish to abide by those rules, no one is stopping you from moving out!
2)The couple of times that I have been zoche to meet the Skvere Rebbe, proved to me what a soft hearted person he is with love for every jew. I cannot imagine that if he did hear about an incident as you discribe, that he would not react.
3) You cannot prove the details of the media, true or false, as, much of the information was not accurate since they were coming from individuals who resent the community due to personal issues... ”

“ Your "sauce" may be true, but if your "sauce" is speaking to you, you should probably see a mental health professional.
I personally do not believe people who talk to sauces or other inanimate objects. ”

“ The story comes to show how low people can be, people who have no idea about Skver they do not know any details of the rabbi and his views, they did not know who Rotenberg was and how much tzar and trouble he caused the rabbi, yet they are happy to comment, texting jumping with all kinds of non sense and Lushen Hora and bezoin talmud chachumim. no! your not better then anyone your trying to condemn in fact you're much worse, since you're considering your self educated.
This Story should have not happen no question about it, but yet the details are unclear, what the media says is 100% not true as we see all the time, we all know what the media likes, and we all know to whom the media spoke, a bunch of Bums. ”

“ Allow me to explain a bit:
1)the Rebbe's father ZT"L sacrificed himself to build this community for the sake of yiddishkeit. He made takanos and the Skever Rebbe follows it strongly. If you do not wish to abide by those rules, no one is stopping you from moving out!
2)The couple of times that I have been zoche to meet the Skvere Rebbe, proved to me what a soft hearted person he is with love for every jew. I cannot imagine that if he did hear about an incident as you discribe, that he would not react.
3) You cannot prove the details of the media, true or false, as, much of the information was not accurate since they were coming from individuals who resent the community due to personal issues... ”

“ Would you?????????? is this his future to back the sonim from Square??? no common sense at all!!! ”

“ Reply # 59 I wanna understand what your saying, rav pollack was willing to give away his olem habo but not let him sell the house. This is quite contradicting. ”

“ The story comes to show how low people can be, people who have no idea about Skver they do not know any details of the rabbi and his views, they did not know who Rotenberg was and how much tzar and trouble he caused the rabbi, yet they are happy to comment, texting jumping with all kinds of non sense and Lushen Hora and bezoin talmud chachumim. no! your not better then anyone your trying to condemn in fact you're much worse, since you're considering your self educated.
This Story should have not happen no question about it, but yet the details are unclear, what the media says is 100% not true as we see all the time, we all know what the media likes, and we all know to whom the media spoke, a bunch of Bums. ”

“ I want to add one important point to No one, Why when someone buys a house in Skver he pays more than its value and when Skver desides he must go he gets less than nothing?. ”

“ I have a bigger issue with Rabbi Frankfurter making comments about how wonderful Skver is. A reporter needs to be objective and should let his opinions influence his/her reporting, otherwise he is a columnist/opinionator. In this case he should report what the Rebbe and whomever else he's interviewed said . His comments suggest that they were the condition for him being granted the interview with the Rebbe that will surely guarantee the selling out of the issue. I'll take the gamble and say now, before i'ts been published, that Ami will portray Skvere, The Skvere Rebbe and shtetl as the perfect and ideal place on earth to live, ”

“ I agree with #1, #28, & #30. Bottom line: a human being was set on fire. Don't try & excuse it as an unfortunate accident: the lunatic was trying to burn the house down while people slept. Either way, he intended this family serious harm & he succeeded in harming Mr. Rottenberg.

I just don't get what's wrong with the rest of you. Have you seen the video? Have you ever been to a burn unit & seen (& heard) the screams of agony from burn victims when their dressings are changed? I have.

Whether or not the Rebbe knew is another issue. I don't think we'll ever know but speculation is rife. Meanwhile, I too have a hard time with anyone equating the victim & the perpetrator. The term "alleged" assault?? How much more proof is needed?

I wish this Spitzer a refuah shleima, then he can rot in jail for 20 years. I honestly believe this is a case of collective community responsibility. No one has come forward to speak out in support of this family. Is there a gag order? What help & support is the family getting? Are they getting anything? Or are people saying it's their own fault & they are still treated as pariahs? Glad I don't live there. Ahavas Yisrael, anyone?

Hateful. ”

“ who didn't let him sell the house? this is totaly false! he was offered $350,000 for his small house, way above the market value, and he only wanted to get $500,000.
originaly when he bought this house, he signed a document that since its near the mikva he will not be able to expand his house or to build on the adjacent lot. thats why he got this for a bargain. now the kehila took down this restriction, so he was able to sell it for much more than what he originaly paid. he had no interest to have things settled peacefully... ”

“ who didn't let him sell the house? this is totaly false! he was offered $350,000 for his small house, way above the market value, and he only wanted to get $500,000.
originaly when he bought this house, he signed a document that since its near the mikva he will not be able to expand his house or to build on the adjacent lot. thats why he got this for a bargain. now the kehila took down this restriction, so he was able to sell it for much more than what he originaly paid. he had no interest to have things settled peacefully... ”

“ there is no such a thing "Skver decides"...
everyone who moves into Skver knows beforehand the rules and regulations, and if YOU decided to live there it means that you feel that you could go along with that. if you decide later that you want to change your lifestyle and move out, you should not have a problem to sell your house for the market value as there is a shortage and people are looking to buy apartments. just because you decided to sell an old house for a specific amount and no one is intersted to pay that enormous price, you cant blame Skver... ”

“ there is no such a thing "Skver decides"...
everyone who moves into Skver knows beforehand the rules and regulations, and if YOU decided to live there it means that you feel that you could go along with that. if you decide later that you want to change your lifestyle and move out, you should not have a problem to sell your house for the market value as there is a shortage and people are looking to buy apartments. just because you decided to sell an old house for a specific amount and no one is intersted to pay that enormous price, you cant blame Skver... ”

“ What bargain? He bought it from a Skverer who left to settle elsewhere and be a free man. With the buyer he sure didn't sign any agreement, and with Skver he didn't have to sign because he won't get the permits anyway if they think that he shouldn’t build. A person should have a right to sell his property for whatever he thinks its worth. His was prime property between the mikva and the beis hamedrash. He had a right to refuse only $350,000; I heard he was only offered $300,000. ”

“ Allow me to explain a bit:
1)the Rebbe's father ZT"L sacrificed himself to build this community for the sake of yiddishkeit. He made takanos and the Skever Rebbe follows it strongly. If you do not wish to abide by those rules, no one is stopping you from moving out!
2)The couple of times that I have been zoche to meet the Skvere Rebbe, proved to me what a soft hearted person he is with love for every jew. I cannot imagine that if he did hear about an incident as you discribe, that he would not react.
3) You cannot prove the details of the media, true or false, as, much of the information was not accurate since they were coming from individuals who resent the community due to personal issues... ”

“ I know this Rottenberg and his family and he is not what they would like to portray him. Shame on them for trying to character assassinate him? It’s a shame what they said on the family when everyone knows that his mother is a tzadeikes and his father was an emessa Ehrlicha Yid, who didn’t chepa a butterfly. Pray tell me what tzar and trouble he caused the rabbi for Davening in an old age home outside of Square?

The question remains: does someone living in Square have a right to Daven outside the town? Yes, or no? If that is a Takuna, then it should be changed; no one owns anybody. ”

“ What bargain? He bought it from a Skverer who left to settle elsewhere and be a free man. With the buyer he sure didn't sign any agreement, and with Skver he didn't have to sign because he won't get the permits anyway if they think that he shouldn’t build. A person should have a right to sell his property for whatever he thinks its worth. His was prime property between the mikva and the beis hamedrash. He had a right to refuse only $350,000; I heard he was only offered $300,000. ”

“ Maybe he didn't know gAsoline is flammable either. He is a big tzaddik. He doesn't get involved in little gashmius things like we do. Show some bitachon rabosai.”

Wow! Simple brilliance. Maybe he didn't kow gasoline is flammable???.
It's elementary knowledge. You don't have to be a gaon to know it. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ the takuna in skver is that people living there must daven shabbos with the only minyan.
al pi halacha a kehila has the right to make a takuna and it must be obeyed.
the poskim write about a town where there was a takuna that you must buy matzo from the kehila, that those who buy matzo from elsewhere may not make a brucha because of the halacha of "Botzeah Beirach...".
you may chalenege that this is not democratic, as you could chalenge many halochos.
after all the torah is not always according to the democratic rules. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ both could be true, someone offered $300,000 and someone offered $350,000.
the bottom line is that he had no restricions on selling his house if he was realy interested... ”

“ "everyone who moves into Skver knows beforehand the rules and regulations, and if YOU decided to live there it means that you feel that you could go along with that. if you decide later that you want to change your lifestyle and move out,"

NS is an incorporated village in the State of New York in the United States of America. It is NOT a private country club. The Bill of Rights and civil liberties rule personal choices not dicta from the Rebbe. US Constitution 101 holds all the answers. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ the takuna in skver is that people living there must daven shabbos with the only minyan.
al pi halacha a kehila has the right to make a takuna and it must be obeyed.
the poskim write about a town where there was a takuna that you must buy matzo from the kehila, that those who buy matzo from elsewhere may not make a brucha because of the halacha of "Botzeah Beirach...".
you may chalenege that this is not democratic, as you could chalenge many halochos.
after all the torah is not always according to the democratic rules. ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ the takuna in skver is that people living there must daven shabbos with the only minyan.
al pi halacha a kehila has the right to make a takuna and it must be obeyed.
the poskim write about a town where there was a takuna that you must buy matzo from the kehila, that those who buy matzo from elsewhere may not make a brucha because of the halacha of "Botzeah Beirach...".
you may chalenege that this is not democratic, as you could chalenge many halochos.
after all the torah is not always according to the democratic rules. ”

“ He is different.
He does not follow the rules of the community.
He does not belong.
We need to get him out.
We will do whatever is needed.
No one cares about him.
We'll use fire to get rid of him.
That will also teach others.
Final Solution in NS. ”

“ Excuse me sir, but the way Rottenberg brings his kids up is none of your beeswax!

I'm no fan of hip length custom sheitels, short skirts, and tight shirts -but to say that she behaves like a "goyte" is crossing over a few red lines. His son-in-law, clean-shaven and MO as he may look, and his daughter presumably keep Shabbos, Kashrus, and Taharah -they don't live in New Square, so why is the chinuch that the Rottenbergs give/gave their daughter a justification for a murderous attack against him?

Additionally, I am sure that R' Chaim Aharon (whom I do not know) would have been pleased if his kids would be fine chassidisher chunyukkes -who doesn't want good kids (not that I think they aren't good kids the way they are, I just mean to say that he would probably be perfectly happy if they would be frummier than him)? But that's not the way they are. Is that inherently BAD? And even if you think so, is it really "his fault"? Many would say that it is the fault of the Skverer community that "has no drop outs whatsoever" etc. k'yaduah leyodei davar...

It seems that in your opinion, anyone who doesn't meet your standards is a goy/goyte.

Shem zich! ”

“ there is no such a thing "Skver decides"...
everyone who moves into Skver knows beforehand the rules and regulations, and if YOU decided to live there it means that you feel that you could go along with that. if you decide later that you want to change your lifestyle and move out, you should not have a problem to sell your house for the market value as there is a shortage and people are looking to buy apartments. just because you decided to sell an old house for a specific amount and no one is intersted to pay that enormous price, you cant blame Skver... ”

“ I am personally glad that VIN posted a story about Skver that reflects the chasidus as it was intended. The commenters on other threads unleashed enormous amounts of vicious, hateful comments, suggesting that the atrocities are consistent with the derech of Skver, and even sanctioned and approved by the rebbe. Nothing can be further from the truth. Even the most luscious fruit can have pits. Perfection is not a trait expected from humans. Every so often, Hashem displays the imperfections for all. That is our personal message to never take spiritual life for granted, and to make the mission of existence in this world to remain ever conscious of His will. I have not read the article either, but I do know the rebbe. I fear that the same vengeance that led to the horrific accusations and blind judgments will repeat themselves in the comments on this thread.

There is no derech of Avodas Hashem, not the many branches of chasidim nor the yeshiva world that are blemish free. Does Lakewood's freezer make sense? Does only the Rosh Yeshiva getting Sidur Kidushin make sense? How about the many splits between families in Satmar, Bobov, Vizhnitz,etc? No one condones horror. Achdus! ”

“ The rebbe who is the boss of the town knows when the guy down the street sneezes. It is impossible for him not to have known about the ongoing situation which led to this attack. There were numerous other attacks that the rest of the NY area knew about so there is no way any sane person can say the rebbe didn't know. There were many opportunities to stop the terror. The rebbes word becomes law. The rebbe by not stopping the terror enabled another person to carry out an act that would have resulted in mass murder. Nice attempt on his part trying to spin this one. ”

“ The story comes to show how low people can be, people who have no idea about Skver they do not know any details of the rabbi and his views, they did not know who Rotenberg was and how much tzar and trouble he caused the rabbi, yet they are happy to comment, texting jumping with all kinds of non sense and Lushen Hora and bezoin talmud chachumim. no! your not better then anyone your trying to condemn in fact you're much worse, since you're considering your self educated.
This Story should have not happen no question about it, but yet the details are unclear, what the media says is 100% not true as we see all the time, we all know what the media likes, and we all know to whom the media spoke, a bunch of Bums. ”

“ I'm reading VIN for a nice couple of years. And following this news what happened in Skver from the beginning. Saw all the comments of all type of people. But... What makes me throw up is the few people who're bashing all the Chasidem for this or any other story. From the comments they write I see that there is the same few people thay when ever it comes up an issue of Chasidem they're up and about...

Let me ask you a few questions.
1) I know their are fights in Satmar, is there any other Chasides or even community in the world who is doing soooo much Chesed for someone else??? When it comes to help there will be not even one Satmar Chused who will look which Chused he is. They'll even help any Tziyoini who cursed them out on any blog or site and titled them as Sonei Yisroel... I'm not gonna say that this makes them right. But, don't talk with such a big mouth against the whole issue of Chasides! Don't come up that not this was wanted by the Baal Shem Tov Hk', I'm sure that what you do especially talking and knocking hundreds of thousands of Yiden was also not wanted by your Gedoilem & the Gr"u ztz"l.

2) Let's look into your circle. There was major fight in Ponvitz Yeshiva, not Chasidem! Were you also there to condemn the incident? Or you closed your eyes? Did any of the Rushei Yeshivas or sides come out to say that we did a big mistake? They also went to court & fought non stop, wasn't it such a Chilul HaShem as when any Chasudes went to court?

3) Yes! Problem happens all over. But... As long there is a benefit for others (the competition in Satmar brought us Chasina Takunas & high standard of Kashrus & many more) just sit aside and watch. So far fights between the modern people & Litvisha didn't bring anything to Klal Yisroel!!!

Thanks for listening... I wanted to write this so long ago, but now I felt I have to... ”

“ number 103 you are crazy and a danger to the publick or you must be trying for some reason to hurt and shame skver ”

“ number 103 you are crazy and a danger to the publick or you must be trying for some reason to hurt and shame skver ”

“ No. 91 you are comparing heaven to earth a kehila can force it members to buy matzah from them but can not force them to daven where they do not want as long as it is al pi haloche ”

“ Its against civil rights and democracy to force anyone which matzah to buy. As long as you reside in the democratic USA you may not say anything to anyone. ”

“ Are you saying that he and his house were burned, and that it was fair, because he asked for too much money for his house??? ”

“ I AM NOT SKVERE BUT I HOLD OF ALL FRUM YIDDEN. From what I understand the one making the fire did not know anyone was home because they were away for Shabbos and came home at 2 am. So I dont think anyone would burn down a house with people inside. If the victim would of just gave a loud yell the kid would of run away and nothing would of happened but instead he confronted the kid and tried pulling away his scarf to get his identity. This caused both of them to get injured as in any fight both sides get hurt if there is a physical confrontation.. The Rebbe never told anyone to burn down a house ,certainly not a kid who just turned 18 years old that day. No one would trust a kid to do such a job. SKVERE HAS DIFFERENT LEVELS OF PEOPLE LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE. They need to create another skvere community to seperate the elite chassidim to the more materialistic types. Just as there is a marines and navy seals as elite units compared to the regular army which is less elite. Maybe just maybe a shidduch could be made with the victims daughter and the 18 year old and that could of been the purpose of this unfortunate incident. ”

“ That is not true. It is against civil rights to deny a woman the right to initiate divorce against her husband. But the Torah law is clearly different. Any kehila can establish its own takunos. It is a concept that many find hard to understand because the concept of kehila is almost foreign. Some parts of the Sephardic community have a kehila, and in some of these kehilos they do not recognize any form of geirus. While not practiced today, bigamy is optional for many Sephardic kehilos. Our shuls have separate seating with mechitzos. Women may not daven for the amud. A Kohain preceds a Levi who precedes a Yisroel. These are direct violations of equality, and are forms of bigotry according to American Law. Kehilos may say quite a bit, and membership in that kehila is voluntary - but you accept to follow the rules. I accept on myself Tarya"g mitzvos every day. I respect the Constitution, but Kabolas HaTorah is not superseded by civil rights or democracy.

No, I am not in any way defending arson, murder, attempted murder, bullying, or harassment. One can wish that certain takunos were revisited and modified, but kehilos do not need govt approval. ”

“ Happy 18th birthday, Mr. Spitzer. Now that you are legally an adult, you can be tried as an adult. Get ready for a nice long time in a cell with Leroy, Jamal & Bubba. ”

“ "No, I am not in any way defending arson, murder, attempted murder, bullying, or harassment. One can wish that certain takunos were revisited and modified, but kehilos do not need govt approval. "

Yes, they do, as will be seen when this arsonist is prosecuted. Yes, they do, when they violate a person's civil rights.

You seem to forget that NS is not a free nation, but a town under US law and legal system, and subsisting mostly on US taxpaid programs like food stamps and housing and more.

MOST IMPORTANT is your statement that [condoning] arson, murder, attempted murder, etc., are takonos that we might wish to have revisited and should probably be modified, but they are what they are and don't need government approval!

It is shameful when simple huminty and decency has to be based on government law because self-described "tzadikim" find a heter to terrorize, burn and try to kill other kill. ”

“ You are very funny: The VICTIM caused the REBBE tsar? How? By not davening in his shul?

The media spoke to NS chasidim, as seen is the VIN video posted a few days ago. bad enough that NS chasidim are illiterate in English, but it is clear that your rationalization doesn't hold up -your "talmidei chachomim" are simply terrorists,much worse than al queda, as al queda attacks their enemies, not their own kind. ”

“ there is no such a thing "Skver decides"...
everyone who moves into Skver knows beforehand the rules and regulations, and if YOU decided to live there it means that you feel that you could go along with that. if you decide later that you want to change your lifestyle and move out, you should not have a problem to sell your house for the market value as there is a shortage and people are looking to buy apartments. just because you decided to sell an old house for a specific amount and no one is intersted to pay that enormous price, you cant blame Skver... ”

“ How dare you infer that I find criminal behavior tolerable! NEVER! There is NO HETER to terrorize, damage, or harm anyone. Not them, nor their property. I said no such thing. I responded to the insinuation that takunes of a kehila must adhere to goyishe ideas. All I said was that kehilos can assur things that other kehilos do not. That is their option. Joining a kehila is becoming a member in a club - one accepts the rules. A kehila does not have the right to create a takuna that violates halacha. Included here would be harming another person or property. No individual can overrule halacha, nor can a kehila. If a kehila requires their members topatronize their own, they may, and do not need to look to US civil rights law to guide them. I have not forgotten that NS is incorporate under US law. But it is a kehila. I will never excuse crime, and I am watching to see the perpetrator prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That has nothing to with takunos. ”

“ YOU are rationalizing the crime. ”

“ Absolutely not! There is no excuse. That does not mean a kehila can't make takunos. These are separate issues. Takunah is not a reason for crime, and the consequences should not be diminished in any way because of the takuneh issue. ”

“ I have a bigger issue with Rabbi Frankfurter making comments about how wonderful Skver is. A reporter needs to be objective and should let his opinions influence his/her reporting, otherwise he is a columnist/opinionator. In this case he should report what the Rebbe and whomever else he's interviewed said . His comments suggest that they were the condition for him being granted the interview with the Rebbe that will surely guarantee the selling out of the issue. I'll take the gamble and say now, before i'ts been published, that Ami will portray Skvere, The Skvere Rebbe and shtetl as the perfect and ideal place on earth to live, ”

“ What a self rightoues person you are! Suddenly you are looking for the truth (?) Where have you been until now when the media has unabashadly repeatedly portrayed the whole story ONE SIDED!!! ”

“ Absolutely not! There is no excuse. That does not mean a kehila can't make takunos. These are separate issues. Takunah is not a reason for crime, and the consequences should not be diminished in any way because of the takuneh issue. ”

“ "a_one Says: “ What a self rightoues person you are! Suddenly you are looking for the truth (?) Where have you been until now when the media has unabashadly repeatedly portrayed the whole story ONE SIDED!!! ”

really? What's the OTHER side? That there was no arson attempt? That the rebbe had "tsar" from Rottenberg? That therre are "takonones" in place?

There IS no other side to this stupidity by simpletons who think they are being frum by violating every odom-le'odom mitzvah that exists.

They should re-name New Square if they are so insistent on their honesty and call it "Chelm" instead. At least then other Jews would know what they were dealing with. ”