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Albany, NY - UPDATE: Senators Try Get Gay Vote To Floor As Silver Needs To Observe Shabbos

Published on: June 24, 2011 02:41 PM
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Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, leaves Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office after a meeting at the Capitol in Albany, N.Y., on Thursday, June 23, 2011. APAssembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, leaves Gov. Andrew Cuomo's office after a meeting at the Capitol in Albany, N.Y., on Thursday, June 23, 2011. AP

Albany, NY - Legislators worked methodically Friday to clear away a raft of standard bills to make way for a pivotal gay marriage vote as advocates and Republicans who hold the key agreed on one thing: They don’t want the much-anticipated decision to drag on much longer.

Security was tight in the Capitol as opponents and supporters of same-sex marriage clogged the marble hallways after a week of rising tensions and great expectations.

Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous said the 32 Republican senators who hold the majority in that chamber could meet behind closed doors later Friday to decide whether to send the bill to the floor for a vote after they get through other bills.

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Libous, a Broome County Republican, said GOP senators don’t want to further stretch the 2011 session, which was supposed to have ended Monday. He said that if the caucus sends the gay marriage bill out, it could be voted on Friday.

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver is an Orthodox Jew and observes the Sabbath, which means he won’t work between sunset Friday and sunset Saturday. The Assembly is expected to approve several amendments to provide greater protection for religious groups from discrimination lawsuits as a result of a gay marriage law.

There is acute interest nationally in what happens in New York, heightened by the timing: This weekend, events are scheduled around the country to celebrate gay pride, culminating Sunday with parades in New York City, San Francisco and other cities. Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo very publicly attended last year’s gay pride parade in New York with his daughters, which drew sharp criticism from his Republican opponent in the race for governor.

Senate Democrats say the Republicans are mismanaging important bills, including gay marriage.


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 Jun 24, 2011 at 02:54 PM Anonymous Says:

is the shomer shabbos assemblyman in favor of this law?

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 03:58 PM disgusted Says:

How does he decide which mitzva Doraisis he supports. Shabbos yes, same X no????

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:00 PM Anon18 Says:

He's in favor of ANYTHING that gets him elected again. Unfortunately, his district is no longer mostly Jewish. He's got to cater to whatever buys him votes. He's the worst thing that could've happened to the state of NY. He should've been kicked out ages ago!

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:07 PM mewhoze Says:

the shomer shabbos assembly speaker has to vote what the majority of the assembly members want.its not just HIS decision. he is the speaker for ALL of the assemblymembers of new york sstate.
why cant people understand this?
he doesnt just say and do what he feels on his own behalf. as speaker he MUST represent ALL the members.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:19 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #3  
Anon18 Says:

He's in favor of ANYTHING that gets him elected again. Unfortunately, his district is no longer mostly Jewish. He's got to cater to whatever buys him votes. He's the worst thing that could've happened to the state of NY. He should've been kicked out ages ago!

So I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum organizations that can exist today only because of the funding that Silver has obtained for them?

And I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum children that exist only because Silver convinced the legislature to make assisted reproductive technology a mandated coverage under both Medicaid and private insurance? Would you tell such a child at his bar mitzvah that you'd rather he didn't exist?

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:25 PM mewhoze Says:

anon, if you get more info on the responsibility of the speaker of the assembly you would know that he votes as the majority of the assembly want him to vote.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:51 PM kollelfaker Says:

Reply to #3  
Anon18 Says:

He's in favor of ANYTHING that gets him elected again. Unfortunately, his district is no longer mostly Jewish. He's got to cater to whatever buys him votes. He's the worst thing that could've happened to the state of NY. He should've been kicked out ages ago!

amen brother

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:52 PM eastside frum jew Says:

Reply to #3  
Anon18 Says:

He's in favor of ANYTHING that gets him elected again. Unfortunately, his district is no longer mostly Jewish. He's got to cater to whatever buys him votes. He's the worst thing that could've happened to the state of NY. He should've been kicked out ages ago!

yes shelly is in favor of this bill he pushed it thru the assembly nothing moves there without his hand on it

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:54 PM Paulie123 Says:

I hope he enjoys eating his kigel tonight knowing that he openly transgressed a prohibition in the Torah of " lifnei iver lo sitein michshol" among other issurim such as a chilul Hashem of the highest order

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:

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disgusted Says:

How does he decide which mitzva Doraisis he supports. Shabbos yes, same X no????

Idiot it has nothing to do with supporting. He keeps shabbos. What does supporting something politicaly have to do with himself keeping shabbos.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:07 PM kollelfaker Says:

charlie it is not covered by insurance ask a time or bonia olam that helps pay for it man you talk out of your hat and yes to have a frum jew who didnt want to let an erev on the lower eastside because of rav moishs position but pushes thru this this garbage sorry he should be removed he is the REASON NY is the highest taxed state and near bankruptcy

oh yeah medicaid doesn't cover it either check your facts what does is give money to do nothing organizations that we new yorkers pay for

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
charliehall Says:

So I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum organizations that can exist today only because of the funding that Silver has obtained for them?

And I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum children that exist only because Silver convinced the legislature to make assisted reproductive technology a mandated coverage under both Medicaid and private insurance? Would you tell such a child at his bar mitzvah that you'd rather he didn't exist?

i will them they took the place of all the frum kids that were not born because he stubbornly refuses to allow vouchers to come up for a vote- thus struggling frum couples who could use his help have no choice but to have less children.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:34 PM yaakov doe Says:

While I find the bill highly objectionable, I don't see how it will lead to further abhorrent behavior. I assume that those who want this are already engaging in this deviance without matrimony. Soon they will want to legalize beastiality.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:38 PM chachom Says:

Reply to #5  
charliehall Says:

So I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum organizations that can exist today only because of the funding that Silver has obtained for them?

And I presume that the state of NY would be better off without all the frum children that exist only because Silver convinced the legislature to make assisted reproductive technology a mandated coverage under both Medicaid and private insurance? Would you tell such a child at his bar mitzvah that you'd rather he didn't exist?

Whether the stae of NY is better off is not what you and I have to worry about. It is whether Hashem is better off with or without him. Rav Avigdor Miller ZL said Hashem would be better off without him. This should be left to the Gedolei Yisroel.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:44 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Idiot it has nothing to do with supporting. He keeps shabbos. What does supporting something politicaly have to do with himself keeping shabbos.

It does have to do with supporting. If he would vote with orthodox jewish values he would vote against this disgustisting bill. To #4 and #6 no bill goes any where with out the support of the speaker. A few years back when the mayor wanted a stadium on the west side it was the speaker who knocked it down because he thought it would take away $ from his downtown district.
I applaud asemblyman Hikind for sticking up for our torah values.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 05:46 PM mewhoze Says:

oh please, if only people who post here had real background info. they would not be saying bad things about shelly.
he is a wonderful person and his work is a Kiddush Hashem

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 06:52 PM mewhoze Says:

you guys keep posting yet do not understand what i have posted TWICE about the speaker representing the votes of ALL the assemblymembers.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 07:28 PM ishbibele Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Idiot it has nothing to do with supporting. He keeps shabbos. What does supporting something politicaly have to do with himself keeping shabbos.

same as delta with Saudi Arabian Airlines even more

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Glad to hear New York voted for marriage equality. Our freedom depends on respecting the freedom of others.

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 Jun 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Ok... The gay marriage bill has now passed by 4 votes just before shabbos. The governor will sign the bill early next week and it will be the law. Can we now move on to some really important issues for the heimeshe community such as job training funds, rent subsidies and better housing for large families etc. and stop trying to tell others how to live their lives. Obviously, the shevah mitzos bnai noach are not viewed as gospel by the new york assembly and senate. Yiddeshe politicians need to focus on whats important to their constituents.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Now that the bill has become law, its time for many opponents to read the actual legislative languge that Cuomo signed last night. The final version includes provisions to protect anyone who is opposed on religious grounds from having to participate either directly or indirectly in gay marriage ceremonies. No rav will be required to be masader kiddushin for a gay couple and the the simcha halls will not be required to rent their facilities for gay chasanahs.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 09:52 PM PLOinFL Says:

Reply to #4  
mewhoze Says:

the shomer shabbos assembly speaker has to vote what the majority of the assembly members want.its not just HIS decision. he is the speaker for ALL of the assemblymembers of new york sstate.
why cant people understand this?
he doesnt just say and do what he feels on his own behalf. as speaker he MUST represent ALL the members.

Sorry but you got it wrong. He may represent all of the assembly but He can vote any way he wants. Not only did he vote for it he openly pushed and advocated for it. As assembly speaker he does not have to endorse every bill that comes to his desk. He decides whether to bring it for a vote or not but he does not have to endorse every bill.
In this case - since he had a big majority pro gay marriage - he should've brought it to a vote and OPENLY denounce it and PEARSONALLY vote against it. He did none of that rather he openly supported it. Shame on shelly

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:57 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Ok... The gay marriage bill has now passed by 4 votes just before shabbos. The governor will sign the bill early next week and it will be the law. Can we now move on to some really important issues for the heimeshe community such as job training funds, rent subsidies and better housing for large families etc. and stop trying to tell others how to live their lives. Obviously, the shevah mitzos bnai noach are not viewed as gospel by the new york assembly and senate. Yiddeshe politicians need to focus on whats important to their constituents.

The United States stopped observing the 7 Mitzvot Bnei Noach on June 21, 1788, when the ratification of the US Constitution took effect. It allowed an idolater to hold any public office under the United States.

Jews in America were ecstatic, as the very same clause that permitted an idolater to hold any public office also allowed Jews to do the same. The Jewish community participated in a huge celebration of the ratification on July 4, 1788, in Philadelphia.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:59 PM Charlie Hall Says:

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ishbibele Says:

same as delta with Saudi Arabian Airlines even more

United, American, and US Airways have similar partnerships with airlines that fly to Saudi Arabia and would enforce similar policies. It is unfair to single out Delta.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 12:00 AM Charlie Hall Says:

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eastside frum jew Says:

yes shelly is in favor of this bill he pushed it thru the assembly nothing moves there without his hand on it

True, but had he prevented the bill from coming to a vote he would have been replaced as Speaker.

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