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Brooklyn, NY - Police: Molester Lures Children Into 'Belz' Borough Park Shul

Published on: June 25, 2011 10:08 PM
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Brooklyn, NY - Police are searching for a man who has lured children into a Brooklyn synagogue, molesting at least one of them.

Police say the sex attack happened during the afternoon on Wednesday, June 22.

Police say the man lured a 12-year-old into Simcha Hall, a Borough Park synagogue located at 50th Street and 15th Avenue.

Once in the basement, police say the man, dressed in tradition Hasidic attire, sexually assaulted the boy.

About an hour later, a second boy, 11, was confronted by the same man in front of the synagogue.

Police say that boy was not sexually assaulted but was lured into the synagogue.

The Special Victims Crime Unit is now handling the case as they search for the suspect.

According to the NY Post, The incidents came to light after one of the victims told his father what had happened. The dad in turn contacted Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, a advocate who works to expose incidents of child sexual molestation in the Hasidic Orthodox Jewish community.

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Rosenberg gave the father the number of an NYPD detective.

“I said go down to the detective, and report it,” Rosenberg said.

David Orlander, whose son Nafatali Orlander manages the shul, said he had hear about the alleged attacks, but did not know who committed them.

“We won’t sweep it under the rug. Nobody is denying it [happened] but, for some reason, nobody knowns anything either,” Orlander said.

“Our shul is open 20 hours a day, and there’s not necessarily someone in the building,” Orlander said. “It’s open, in case anyone wants to come in an study. Even the mailman and the sanitation workers know it’s open and they can use the bathrooms. Anyone can walk in there.”



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 Jun 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM check the cameras Says:

If the Shul is open and unsupervised 20 hours a day I assume there are cameras running 24/6

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM sceptic? yes! in denial? no! Says:

while I'm not going to say it didn't happen, this story sounds like from the horses mouth. I don't believe a story when the sole story teller is nachum rosenberg. I know too much about him. based on my reading this article it seems pretty clear nachum is writing that the father contacted him too.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM Eli Mandel Says:

Reply to #2  
check the cameras Says:

If the Shul is open and unsupervised 20 hours a day I assume there are cameras running 24/6

Don't assume.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:

I hope and pray that my 12 year old knows not to go with strangers even if he looks like a chasidish yid. Education is key though unfortunately sometimes not enough.

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:10 PM benvin Says:

We will hunt him down and put him behind bars

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Any description, maybe this will help to find him? Maybe every public place (inc shuls) should have video cameras .

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:17 PM yeedle Says:

Its a shame the shul has no cameras
How can you let a building open all day with no cameras?
I used to daven in the shul a few years ago in the morning and the pushkes were stolen a few times

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 Jun 25, 2011 at 11:35 PM Anonymous Says:

If the Belz don't have the common sense to have someone watching the shul while it is open, I'm not sure any amount of public outrage will have any affect. Somone could walk in and desecrate the sifrei torah or steal seforim and yet they seemingly don't care if some youngster is abused.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 12:12 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #3  
sceptic? yes! in denial? no! Says:

while I'm not going to say it didn't happen, this story sounds like from the horses mouth. I don't believe a story when the sole story teller is nachum rosenberg. I know too much about him. based on my reading this article it seems pretty clear nachum is writing that the father contacted him too.

read the article he did not report it he only told the father to report it

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 12:40 AM LakewoodNJMom Says:

All of your comments are just reacting to this tragedy instead of trying to prevent future ones. It's time to vaccinate our community's children against abuse by being good pro-active parents.

Take a half hour and watch Rabbi Yakov Horowitz's video on Speaking to Your Kids About Personal Safety http://vimeo.com/25322132
and then sit down and speak to your kids (and not just once either).

Educating your children is the best way to protect them, so they won't follow some guy into Shul or anyplace else, and they'll know better than to allow anyone (relative or stranger) to touch them.

Wake up parents!! There is something you can do to help prevent your children from being molested.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 01:04 AM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

I hope and pray that my 12 year old knows not to go with strangers even if he looks like a chasidish yid. Education is key though unfortunately sometimes not enough.

Strangers are by far the smallest threat to your children. We have many years of good, solid research and police experience on the subject. Child molesters are like other rapists. The overwhelming majority are already known to their victims. The biggest danger is the the relative, the rosh yeshiva, the shopkeeper or the family friend.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 01:57 AM Anonymous Says:

The most important form of crime protection is the vigilance of the victim. The best law enforcement cannot eliminate crime.

Protecting children is the chiyuv of every parent, mechanech, and caregiver. No one is exempt. Teach, teach more, and teach again.

The video by Rabbi Yakov Horowitz is highly recommended.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 07:04 AM mewhoze Says:

place cameras at all the shules. not jsut for molesters but for security as well.
sometimes a camera down the block or accross the street catches what you are looking for. i hope they are contacting neighbors with cameras as well.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 08:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Strangers are by far the smallest threat to your children. We have many years of good, solid research and police experience on the subject. Child molesters are like other rapists. The overwhelming majority are already known to their victims. The biggest danger is the the relative, the rosh yeshiva, the shopkeeper or the family friend.

Definitely true children should be told not to go with anyone unless prior authorized by a parent. May hashem watch over our children and heal all these sick people who want to harm them

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 08:54 AM jay Says:

every public place should have a video recording system, it's a must do.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
jay Says:

every public place should have a video recording system, it's a must do.

Jay:

Would you like to fund the cost of these systems? We are not discussing public places that are for profit. We are dealing with shuls, etc. There is limited funding, all raised from members and donors. These systems are costly. Businesses find it worthwhile to prevent shoplifting and other theft. Our shuls cannot afford it. If you are so set, donate.

There would also be problems with having a system active on Shabbos. The events reported here occurred on a weekday, but Shabbos would be a haven to go undetected by cameras. Don't you think that fact would become known?

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:17 AM Anonymous Says:

I bet dollars to donuts this guy is a "regular" & if it's true, someone saw something. But once again no one seems to have a clue what's going on. Strange, isn't it??? As for cameras...if they don't have any (which I do not believe, sometimes they're well hidden) Belz should have applied for the $75,000 Homeland Security grant to get them. They should have come to me; I write the applications & my clients get awarded.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

If the Belz don't have the common sense to have someone watching the shul while it is open, I'm not sure any amount of public outrage will have any affect. Somone could walk in and desecrate the sifrei torah or steal seforim and yet they seemingly don't care if some youngster is abused.

Your accusation is not just unfair, but baseless. It is a public building, made available for use as a bais hamedrash almost round the clock. Belz is not different from most other shuls in town.

Sifrei Torah are generally in a locked safe. Other seforim are available for stealing. The assumption is that the thief who knows the value of the sefer will also be aware that stealing is against halacha.

I happen to know personally that the Belz community is outraged by this event, and are engaged in the process of catching the perpetrator. They are working with the system, not against it. Stop with your irresponsible, reckless accusations. Say tachanun today, and bang away at דברנו דופי.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
LakewoodNJMom Says:

All of your comments are just reacting to this tragedy instead of trying to prevent future ones. It's time to vaccinate our community's children against abuse by being good pro-active parents.

Take a half hour and watch Rabbi Yakov Horowitz's video on Speaking to Your Kids About Personal Safety http://vimeo.com/25322132
and then sit down and speak to your kids (and not just once either).

Educating your children is the best way to protect them, so they won't follow some guy into Shul or anyplace else, and they'll know better than to allow anyone (relative or stranger) to touch them.

Wake up parents!! There is something you can do to help prevent your children from being molested.

Right before camp, before school starts, before anytime, this should be done. Responsible parents teach their kids about personal safety.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Any description, maybe this will help to find him? Maybe every public place (inc shuls) should have video cameras .

and maybe you are willing to contribute to the cost of doing that? or do you just talk, and have advice for others?

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:46 AM Anonymous Says:

You know what might have happened? The perp, speaking flawless Yiddish, asked the kid to help him look for his Tefillin, or get a sefer down from a high shelf or some other ruse. Our kids, who are taught to help a fellow Yid especially an adult, won't say no. In hindsight, it might be better to teach our children that if it comes to going off with someone to do a "mitzvah", ask an familiar adult to come too.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Your accusation is not just unfair, but baseless. It is a public building, made available for use as a bais hamedrash almost round the clock. Belz is not different from most other shuls in town.

Sifrei Torah are generally in a locked safe. Other seforim are available for stealing. The assumption is that the thief who knows the value of the sefer will also be aware that stealing is against halacha.

I happen to know personally that the Belz community is outraged by this event, and are engaged in the process of catching the perpetrator. They are working with the system, not against it. Stop with your irresponsible, reckless accusations. Say tachanun today, and bang away at דברנו דופי.

And if you think it is cheaper to wait until someone attacked in this unguarded "public" place sues the shul for negligence, you are mistaken.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 10:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Grants are only given for homeland security unless that grant writer (#19) writes false grants. It does does not pay to prevent maniacs roaming the street.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi horrowitz's video works for children in flatbusbh not belz.
The insular culture of Belz, is such that they couldht sit down to talk about these things with their kids at all.
Besides any community that allows children and adults to attend the mikve together, is breeding their own pedophilia....

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 10:42 AM qhman Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

I bet dollars to donuts this guy is a "regular" & if it's true, someone saw something. But once again no one seems to have a clue what's going on. Strange, isn't it??? As for cameras...if they don't have any (which I do not believe, sometimes they're well hidden) Belz should have applied for the $75,000 Homeland Security grant to get them. They should have come to me; I write the applications & my clients get awarded.

Would you be so kind as to share with us how to make this application? Let's try to prevent future problems!!

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi horrowitz's video works for children in flatbusbh not belz.
The insular culture of Belz, is such that they couldht sit down to talk about these things with their kids at all.
Besides any community that allows children and adults to attend the mikve together, is breeding their own pedophilia....

Your comment has too much chutzpah to allow it to go unanswered. The practice of going to mikva together is ancient. It was always a safe thing to do. Fathers took their children. The adults around were responsible, and people did not consider the disrobed state an invitation for action. It was just part of life. Mikvaos do not breed pedophilia. That's utterly stupid. Could a pedophile find the location inviting? Probably yes, but it is unfair, dishonest, and downright abusive to proclaim our community brimming with pedophiles. We have more thieves and cheats than pedophiles. Should there be cameras by every accountant's office?

Belz is certainly not the "insular" community. I bet there are those families that do not have the capacity to have "the talk" with their children. And many are very capable. You reflect ignorance by generalizing anything at all about this.

Instead of fabricating these accusations against those you don't know, try to help the situation. Perhaps you would like to produce a Yiddish translation for Rabbi Horowitz's video lecture?

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 02:32 PM LakewoodNJMom Says:

I'm glad to see that some people are becoming more pro-active about protecting their children. There is no such thing as not having, "the capacity to have the talk" with children. If you can teach your child not to go into the street, not to touch a hot pot, or to wear a seat belt, then you can teach them to avoid people who may try to harm them (whether they know them, are related to them, or not). And it is an absolute "chiyuv" to do so.

Wake up people!!! Cameras only help after the fact (and an intelligent perpetrator will figure out how to avoid the cameras). Teaching your children is your best defense against abusers.

To Number 28: Why don't you ask Rabbi Horowitz to produce a video in Yiddish or even better, invite him to give the speech in Yiddish in Belz? If what Number 20 said is true, "I happen to know personally that the Belz community is outraged by this event . . ." then let them invite the whole community to hear Rabbi Horowitz speak. Actions speak much louder than words.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 04:21 PM Forewarned and Forearmed Says:

(Reply to #26): How right you are. The unfortunate truth is that the more insular and sheltered ANY particular group is from mainstream society and mainstream Judaism, the more fertile the ground for child abuse, molestation, and the inevitable cover-ups that follow. Many studies support this fact.
Molesters know this and take full advantage of it. Mikvehs, as you so astutely noted, have been used by child predators and those looking to exploit our kids and teenagers for years. It was just never spoken of. But it exists, and the denial of this shameful phenomenon is especially harmful to our families and youth. Ignorance and sticking our heads in the sand is never an excuse. The only real "chutzpah" that exists is the brazen refusal to acknowledge these facts. The real "nerve" is the chutzpah of each fool and ignoramus who continues to collude with the abusers, and refuses to become educated about the ugly realities.

We are mechuyavim - obligated - to teach our children the truth about the dangerous "friends, relatives, and strangers" among us. We must adhere to the credo, " Be forewarned and be forearmed!" Our blindness to the exploitation and assault on our defenseless children will not serve us well come Yom Kippur.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 04:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
LakewoodNJMom Says:

I'm glad to see that some people are becoming more pro-active about protecting their children. There is no such thing as not having, "the capacity to have the talk" with children. If you can teach your child not to go into the street, not to touch a hot pot, or to wear a seat belt, then you can teach them to avoid people who may try to harm them (whether they know them, are related to them, or not). And it is an absolute "chiyuv" to do so.

Wake up people!!! Cameras only help after the fact (and an intelligent perpetrator will figure out how to avoid the cameras). Teaching your children is your best defense against abusers.

To Number 28: Why don't you ask Rabbi Horowitz to produce a video in Yiddish or even better, invite him to give the speech in Yiddish in Belz? If what Number 20 said is true, "I happen to know personally that the Belz community is outraged by this event . . ." then let them invite the whole community to hear Rabbi Horowitz speak. Actions speak much louder than words.

What on earth does Belz have to do with this. The perp happen to go there. If he would have done it at a Home Depot, then all Employees there would have to undergo training? If it happened on the street in Brooklyn, then anyone on the street has to get training. How myopic and shortminded can people be.

There is a terrible person (monster) there that needs to be caught. It has zero to do with where this took place. It could just as well as happened in the back of a large grocery or toy store etc. There are a certain group of self hating jews out there , that regardless of what happened jew bashing begins.Yes definately these situations must be investigated and prosecuted but use your heads without being virulent.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 05:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

What on earth does Belz have to do with this. The perp happen to go there. If he would have done it at a Home Depot, then all Employees there would have to undergo training? If it happened on the street in Brooklyn, then anyone on the street has to get training. How myopic and shortminded can people be.

There is a terrible person (monster) there that needs to be caught. It has zero to do with where this took place. It could just as well as happened in the back of a large grocery or toy store etc. There are a certain group of self hating jews out there , that regardless of what happened jew bashing begins.Yes definately these situations must be investigated and prosecuted but use your heads without being virulent.

You are correct. Belz happens to have nothing to do with this. Their bathroom was the address. It is also correct that the perpetrator was a yungerman from the Belz community. That does not make the Belz kehila any more responsible than anyone else to take measures to make our world a safer place.

Reports are that the suspect has been arrested, and that the Belz kehila was instrumental in bring that about. Instead of the toxic bashing that typically follows these tragic stories, we should all be grateful that the "system" worked, including the kehila itself in making sure that the authorities get this case.

The only thing that did not work was the bringing of this to the secular media. That was disgraceful, and the one that did that will get his due in בית דין של מעלה.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
LakewoodNJMom Says:

I'm glad to see that some people are becoming more pro-active about protecting their children. There is no such thing as not having, "the capacity to have the talk" with children. If you can teach your child not to go into the street, not to touch a hot pot, or to wear a seat belt, then you can teach them to avoid people who may try to harm them (whether they know them, are related to them, or not). And it is an absolute "chiyuv" to do so.

Wake up people!!! Cameras only help after the fact (and an intelligent perpetrator will figure out how to avoid the cameras). Teaching your children is your best defense against abusers.

To Number 28: Why don't you ask Rabbi Horowitz to produce a video in Yiddish or even better, invite him to give the speech in Yiddish in Belz? If what Number 20 said is true, "I happen to know personally that the Belz community is outraged by this event . . ." then let them invite the whole community to hear Rabbi Horowitz speak. Actions speak much louder than words.

To LakewoodMom:

The statement about "the capacity to talk" is a recognition of reality. Some parents are more capable of being this frank with their children, and others are not. That is not excusing anyone for inadequate parenting. But it does highlight for the messages about personal safety to come from multiple directions, including schools and yeshivos.

I am not sure if the information is public record, so I will just note that an arrest has been made. Yes, it is a heimishe yungerman. And, yes, the Belz kehila participated in the process of making sure that the suspect was arrested. All the work needed to insure the system worked was without the involvement of the "activists", and was all in place before someone was brilliant enough to report it to the media. The police did NOT involve media. Readers, figure out the rest. What a disgrace.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 06:14 PM What Exactly Are Your Priorities? Says:

To all the folks who care so deeply about the media getting hold of the story.................
Do you care as passionately about protecting our children, YOUR children, someone else's children? Or is it primarily our so-called reputation that needs protecting more than anything else?
Your answer will determine
how much credibility
you retain in the eyes of all Ba'alei Seichel and Yirei Shamayim. And in the eyes of Shamayim.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

You are correct. Belz happens to have nothing to do with this. Their bathroom was the address. It is also correct that the perpetrator was a yungerman from the Belz community. That does not make the Belz kehila any more responsible than anyone else to take measures to make our world a safer place.

Reports are that the suspect has been arrested, and that the Belz kehila was instrumental in bring that about. Instead of the toxic bashing that typically follows these tragic stories, we should all be grateful that the "system" worked, including the kehila itself in making sure that the authorities get this case.

The only thing that did not work was the bringing of this to the secular media. That was disgraceful, and the one that did that will get his due in בית דין של מעלה.

Yes, it had to be reported in the media. When there is a dangerous predator on the loose who is attacking young children, people are entitled to know and to be vigilant. Also, it is important to publicize in case someone has information that would lead to his arrest. You are more concerned with the "image" of the community rather than the well being of our children.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 07:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
What Exactly Are Your Priorities? Says:

To all the folks who care so deeply about the media getting hold of the story.................
Do you care as passionately about protecting our children, YOUR children, someone else's children? Or is it primarily our so-called reputation that needs protecting more than anything else?
Your answer will determine
how much credibility
you retain in the eyes of all Ba'alei Seichel and Yirei Shamayim. And in the eyes of Shamayim.

What have you been drinking? There was zero benefit from the media having this story. It did not help in the arrest one iota. In fact, the police detectives are upset that this information was publicized in the media, since it interferes with their investigation and with the eventual prosecution.

I give of myself for children more than many other people you know. One does not protect children by blasting everything on television or by publicizing the names of the victims of abuse. That needs to be stopped. We need investigations and arrests, not broadcasts. If you disagree, I recommend you see a mental health professional.

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

What number should be called in case this happens again?
Rosenberg is not an option!
Is there anyone else who could be called?

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 Jun 26, 2011 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

To LakewoodMom:

The statement about "the capacity to talk" is a recognition of reality. Some parents are more capable of being this frank with their children, and others are not. That is not excusing anyone for inadequate parenting. But it does highlight for the messages about personal safety to come from multiple directions, including schools and yeshivos.

I am not sure if the information is public record, so I will just note that an arrest has been made. Yes, it is a heimishe yungerman. And, yes, the Belz kehila participated in the process of making sure that the suspect was arrested. All the work needed to insure the system worked was without the involvement of the "activists", and was all in place before someone was brilliant enough to report it to the media. The police did NOT involve media. Readers, figure out the rest. What a disgrace.

Thank goodness, someone reported it to the media! If I lived next door to the molester and had young kids, I would certainly want to know in order to protect them. Not exposing the molester has continued to hurt our children and we absolutely must stop protecting the pedaphiles and covering up their deeds. Who knows how many kinder are now protected because the media printed his name?

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 Jun 27, 2011 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

Thank goodness, someone reported it to the media! If I lived next door to the molester and had young kids, I would certainly want to know in order to protect them. Not exposing the molester has continued to hurt our children and we absolutely must stop protecting the pedaphiles and covering up their deeds. Who knows how many kinder are now protected because the media printed his name?

Shame on you. You should be protective of your children regardless of who your neighbors are. The media was alerted long before the investigation was completed, and this information did not help you one bit to protect your children from an identified pedophile. Go back and read those articles. There is nothing other than a juicy story there that blackens the eyes of Klal Yisroel. There was no to'eles from those reports. The ones running to the media need to be stopped from their involvement in this subject. They hurt more than help. They can no longer boast that they are protecting children.

Now that there is an arrest, it becomes useful information, though the drama this is getting in the press is still a chilul Hashem. May those who are committing the useless chilul Hashem be zocheh to do teshuvah, though according to the gemora, teshuvah alone does not help.

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 Jun 27, 2011 at 01:06 PM Here's the To'eles Says:

(Reply to #39): The to'eles is that the awareness of this existing scourge of child molestation is heightened. Every single time it happens, it needs to be reported and publicized.
If people become aware of just how rampant in our communities these predators and their crimes are,
there is hope that it will be addressed, dealt with, and eliminated. We have failed to take it as seriously as we should have until now.

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 Jun 27, 2011 at 04:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Here's the To'eles Says:

(Reply to #39): The to'eles is that the awareness of this existing scourge of child molestation is heightened. Every single time it happens, it needs to be reported and publicized.
If people become aware of just how rampant in our communities these predators and their crimes are,
there is hope that it will be addressed, dealt with, and eliminated. We have failed to take it as seriously as we should have until now.

The awareness has grown greatly. You are looking to proclaim it as an epidemic. That's speaking vile lashon horoh about Klal Yisroel. Until we need the media to help apprehend someone, it does not belong there. We do not need to stoop to television or newspapers to increase awareness. There is much being done, and more continues to be done, by parents, yeshivos and schools, and by the mainstream organizations in our communities. The secular media did nothing hear except to denigrate Torah observant Yidden. If you want to sponsor the viewing of Rabbi Horowitz's video, the publication of more reading materials for parents, or additional training for yeshiva, camp, and school staff, then call and make your donations. The media campaign is neither acceptable by Torah standards, not helpful to the problem, and a blatant offense against Klal Yisroel.

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 Jun 27, 2011 at 07:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

The awareness has grown greatly. You are looking to proclaim it as an epidemic. That's speaking vile lashon horoh about Klal Yisroel. Until we need the media to help apprehend someone, it does not belong there. We do not need to stoop to television or newspapers to increase awareness. There is much being done, and more continues to be done, by parents, yeshivos and schools, and by the mainstream organizations in our communities. The secular media did nothing hear except to denigrate Torah observant Yidden. If you want to sponsor the viewing of Rabbi Horowitz's video, the publication of more reading materials for parents, or additional training for yeshiva, camp, and school staff, then call and make your donations. The media campaign is neither acceptable by Torah standards, not helpful to the problem, and a blatant offense against Klal Yisroel.

unfortunately it is an epidemic of an enormous proportion,it is absolutely catastrophic,it is reliably estimated that tens of thousands,yes tens of thousands of frum children in the last 60 years have been molested,a sizable percent of teachers and rabbaim in our schools are pedophiles,and that was the reason they chose that particular profession,for the last 60years we have put our heads in the sand and ignored it,and on top of that the rabbonim forbade the victims to go the police,because they considered it mesirah,therefore every pedophile and pervert knew that he had a free pass in the chareidi community to do as he pleases without
any cosequenses

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 Jun 27, 2011 at 07:54 PM Really Important To'eles Says:

It IS an epidemic.
I work with the families, so I know the numbers. But even what I see is just the tip of the iceberg. Do YOU know what's going on out there?
The devastation is compounded by the behavior of people who care more for "image control" than for the welfare of our children.
It is a tragedy of epidemic proportions. Publicity will help reduce the stigma, fear, and shame. Hiding reality will never do us any good.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Try to understand it from the victims' point of view.

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 Jun 28, 2011 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Really Important To'eles Says:

It IS an epidemic.
I work with the families, so I know the numbers. But even what I see is just the tip of the iceberg. Do YOU know what's going on out there?
The devastation is compounded by the behavior of people who care more for "image control" than for the welfare of our children.
It is a tragedy of epidemic proportions. Publicity will help reduce the stigma, fear, and shame. Hiding reality will never do us any good.
Wake up and smell the coffee. Try to understand it from the victims' point of view.

I also work with children and families, and I know numbers as well as you do. The devastation is that our systems for coping with the problem are poor. Perhaps greatly improved from years ago, but still inadequate. For me, even tiny numbers are catastrophic. I am not advocating hiding reality. I am expecting some rhyme and reason in the use of the secular media. My accusation, which I repeat proudly, is that the first media reports on this incident were irresponsible, destructive, and plain chilul Hashem. There was NO benefit to anyone except those who are out to take revenge against Klal Yisroel. This coverage cannot warn anyone about a specific suspect, and it typically interferes with police investigations.

This accusation does not mitigate the irresponsibility and frankly dangerous behavior of the establishment in the past, which has begun to improve, but nowhere near enough. I am not defending anyone, just looking to help a system work. The media attention has its place, but not as was done here.

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