“ Whose camp? ”

“ I hope they shut them ALL down.

Most of these camps are health hazards that put on a nice dog and pony show for inspectors anyway.

This whole camp thing is a "Gezeirah". which most people cannot afford, (gezeirah shein rov hatzibur yechoilin laamod boh) but it has become a "must".

I understand all the benefits of camp... fresh air, not exposing our children to the pritzus of the city, etc... after all is said and done it is a luxury.

It has gotten to the point where most people simply cannot afford it.

My question is: in the era of chasuna tkunos: why are our own kehilas forcing us to participate in this "luxury"?

It is not like you have an option, try and explain to your child's moised that you cannot afford it. you will get at best a few dollars off you bill, but will have to endure thousands of dollars of camp bills, on top of your tuition that you can barely scrape together.

I just finished listening to a friend literally crying about this very subject. ”

“ who is being protected by not mentioning the name of the camp

it only harms the children and parents

and helps the people who wanted to put children in dangers

makes no sesne ”

“ I hope they shut them ALL down.

Most of these camps are health hazards that put on a nice dog and pony show for inspectors anyway.

This whole camp thing is a "Gezeirah". which most people cannot afford, (gezeirah shein rov hatzibur yechoilin laamod boh) but it has become a "must".

I understand all the benefits of camp... fresh air, not exposing our children to the pritzus of the city, etc... after all is said and done it is a luxury.

It has gotten to the point where most people simply cannot afford it.

My question is: in the era of chasuna tkunos: why are our own kehilas forcing us to participate in this "luxury"?

It is not like you have an option, try and explain to your child's moised that you cannot afford it. you will get at best a few dollars off you bill, but will have to endure thousands of dollars of camp bills, on top of your tuition that you can barely scrape together.

I just finished listening to a friend literally crying about this very subject. ”

“ I dont know where you live. Maybe in Monsey on an acre of land. Maybe in Boro Park on a block where many families with children stay home. Maybe your children find what to do on the long friday and shabbos afternoons. Call me unlucky but the block I lived on for 13 years in Boro Park almost all my nieghbors were grandparents, my younger children never had any one to play with. Now I live on a semi commercial block my immidiate neighbors are mexicans my children were literaly going bonkers this past Shabbos afternoon. I personally stay home but send my boys and girls over 10 to sleepaway camp. This is is not a luxury this is hatzalas nefoshos. How I pay? I just try to come up with the money somehow. ”

“ I dont know where you live. Maybe in Monsey on an acre of land. Maybe in Boro Park on a block where many families with children stay home. Maybe your children find what to do on the long friday and shabbos afternoons. Call me unlucky but the block I lived on for 13 years in Boro Park almost all my nieghbors were grandparents, my younger children never had any one to play with. Now I live on a semi commercial block my immidiate neighbors are mexicans my children were literaly going bonkers this past Shabbos afternoon. I personally stay home but send my boys and girls over 10 to sleepaway camp. This is is not a luxury this is hatzalas nefoshos. How I pay? I just try to come up with the money somehow. ”

“ I hope they shut them ALL down.

Most of these camps are health hazards that put on a nice dog and pony show for inspectors anyway.

This whole camp thing is a "Gezeirah". which most people cannot afford, (gezeirah shein rov hatzibur yechoilin laamod boh) but it has become a "must".

I understand all the benefits of camp... fresh air, not exposing our children to the pritzus of the city, etc... after all is said and done it is a luxury.

It has gotten to the point where most people simply cannot afford it.

My question is: in the era of chasuna tkunos: why are our own kehilas forcing us to participate in this "luxury"?

It is not like you have an option, try and explain to your child's moised that you cannot afford it. you will get at best a few dollars off you bill, but will have to endure thousands of dollars of camp bills, on top of your tuition that you can barely scrape together.

I just finished listening to a friend literally crying about this very subject. ”

“ Your children are going bonkers because you live on a semi-commercial block and your " immediate neighbors are Mexican?" Perhaps you are projecting? Why would you live in such an incredibly diverse city if this is how you feel? ”

“ I hope they shut them ALL down.

Most of these camps are health hazards that put on a nice dog and pony show for inspectors anyway.

This whole camp thing is a "Gezeirah". which most people cannot afford, (gezeirah shein rov hatzibur yechoilin laamod boh) but it has become a "must".

I understand all the benefits of camp... fresh air, not exposing our children to the pritzus of the city, etc... after all is said and done it is a luxury.

It has gotten to the point where most people simply cannot afford it.

My question is: in the era of chasuna tkunos: why are our own kehilas forcing us to participate in this "luxury"?

It is not like you have an option, try and explain to your child's moised that you cannot afford it. you will get at best a few dollars off you bill, but will have to endure thousands of dollars of camp bills, on top of your tuition that you can barely scrape together.

I just finished listening to a friend literally crying about this very subject. ”

“ as per your opinion Car makers should stop making luxury cars, Home builders should stop building expensive homes, and Clothing labels should seize making expensive cloths, Jewelers should stop making expensive jewelry, All for the sake of those who cannot afford them, So the don't have to shed away their last penny so to look like everyone else???

where do people get this twisted stupid opinions? last I checked it was a communist ideology to make the universe equal, so no one gets jealous on their well to do neighbors fortune.

You don't want anyone sending their kids to camp, even those who can afford it? so those less fortunate wont ditch their last penny so their kids to look different? how about you teach your kids LO Sachmod, Do not put your jealous mind on someone else's property, wife, house.

What's next? You're going to tell people which cars they are allowed to Drive? Which Wedding halls they're allowed to wed their kids? how much money they can spend on grocery's? this is ridiculous. ”

“ You certainly have my sympathy, because I agree with you. New York City in 2011 is not the New York City of the 1970's. There is no shortage of things to do. With that said, I am not impressed with what the day camp did with my kids last year, so I am keeping them home for half the summer. I know I can keep them occupied in this city and give them some much deserved relaxation and truly free time. ”

“ Whose camp? ”

“ as per your opinion Car makers should stop making luxury cars, Home builders should stop building expensive homes, and Clothing labels should seize making expensive cloths, Jewelers should stop making expensive jewelry, All for the sake of those who cannot afford them, So the don't have to shed away their last penny so to look like everyone else???

where do people get this twisted stupid opinions? last I checked it was a communist ideology to make the universe equal, so no one gets jealous on their well to do neighbors fortune.

You don't want anyone sending their kids to camp, even those who can afford it? so those less fortunate wont ditch their last penny so their kids to look different? how about you teach your kids LO Sachmod, Do not put your jealous mind on someone else's property, wife, house.

What's next? You're going to tell people which cars they are allowed to Drive? Which Wedding halls they're allowed to wed their kids? how much money they can spend on grocery's? this is ridiculous. ”

“ Formelly,

You said "makes no sesne". What does that mean? What you wrote makes no sense at all. ”

“ owned by Klausenburg! rented to the other Bobov! ”

“ that's enough of these types of stories every year.there has to be real consequences for those running these camps and the higher ups they represent. ”

“ maybe she can't afford better.
don't be a snob.
plenty of people can't pay the summer bills ”

“ Yea you're right there has gotta be greater consequenses. I think they should all be tarred and feathered and then be shot and then hung. Hey brother. Why the venom. The inspectors closed them down like they should have. Period. Why so much anger and hatred? ”

“ I hope they shut them ALL down.

Most of these camps are health hazards that put on a nice dog and pony show for inspectors anyway.

This whole camp thing is a "Gezeirah". which most people cannot afford, (gezeirah shein rov hatzibur yechoilin laamod boh) but it has become a "must".

I understand all the benefits of camp... fresh air, not exposing our children to the pritzus of the city, etc... after all is said and done it is a luxury.

It has gotten to the point where most people simply cannot afford it.

My question is: in the era of chasuna tkunos: why are our own kehilas forcing us to participate in this "luxury"?

It is not like you have an option, try and explain to your child's moised that you cannot afford it. you will get at best a few dollars off you bill, but will have to endure thousands of dollars of camp bills, on top of your tuition that you can barely scrape together.

I just finished listening to a friend literally crying about this very subject. ”

“ Many chassidish schools REQUIRE that parents send their kids to the school's camp. It is not optional. ”

“ I can understand the anger, because the people running this camp were negligent, and it's terrifying that children, entrusted to these individuals, could have been hurt or worse. It's a good thing it was shut down! ”

“ I can understand the anger, because the people running this camp were negligent, and it's terrifying that children, entrusted to these individuals, could have been hurt or worse. It's a good thing it was shut down! ”

“ Dear 'EinYid,'
Coming into greater 'union' with HaKodush Boruch Hoo, through Eloquim, (Nature) appreciating His beautiful world, experiencing camaraderie with peers, adventure and a lot of physical activity may not be a 'luxury.'
Ask you local rabbi or 'frum' therapist.
I would pay one dollar a week (Along with others here in NY City) to insure that every child, Jew or non-Jew, go to summer camp at least one month. ”

“ as per your opinion Car makers should stop making luxury cars, Home builders should stop building expensive homes, and Clothing labels should seize making expensive cloths, Jewelers should stop making expensive jewelry, All for the sake of those who cannot afford them, So the don't have to shed away their last penny so to look like everyone else???

where do people get this twisted stupid opinions? last I checked it was a communist ideology to make the universe equal, so no one gets jealous on their well to do neighbors fortune.

You don't want anyone sending their kids to camp, even those who can afford it? so those less fortunate wont ditch their last penny so their kids to look different? how about you teach your kids LO Sachmod, Do not put your jealous mind on someone else's property, wife, house.

What's next? You're going to tell people which cars they are allowed to Drive? Which Wedding halls they're allowed to wed their kids? how much money they can spend on grocery's? this is ridiculous. ”

“ When I was in Mirrer Yeshiva for mesivta, the official policy was that our parents were required to submit proof to the administration that we were registered for camp for the summer or else we would not be permitted back in the fall. ”

“ Dear 'EinYid,'
Coming into greater 'union' with HaKodush Boruch Hoo, through Eloquim, (Nature) appreciating His beautiful world, experiencing camaraderie with peers, adventure and a lot of physical activity may not be a 'luxury.'
Ask you local rabbi or 'frum' therapist.
I would pay one dollar a week (Along with others here in NY City) to insure that every child, Jew or non-Jew, go to summer camp at least one month. ”

“ I trust that the Town Of Thompson officials are doing the right thing in closing this and any other camp that is unsafe. I would hope that the other towns in Sullivan and Ulster Counties take a seriously hard look at the issues of safety at ALL summer camps.
This camp is on the grounds of a former secular hotel whose name escapes me at this time. I pass this camp multiple times a week and have always enjoyed seeing the children enjoying themselves since the play area is right on Rt 17B. I hope for the sake of all involved that the operators of the camp clean up their act in time to have the town allow them to open. I for one will miss the site of the happy children playing. ”

“ I just cannot understand how we in Britain have managed for hundreds of years WITHOUT sending our children to a so-called "camp". ”

“ that's enough of these types of stories every year.there has to be real consequences for those running these camps and the higher ups they represent. ”