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Published on: July 13, 2011 05:29 AM
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Brooklyn, NY - The dismembered body of a missing 9-year-old Hasidic boy was found at two locations in Brooklyn and police this morning arrested a suspect in the slaying—who had the child’s severed feet in his freezer, sources told The Post.

Police made the gruesome discovery after raiding a Kensington home and arresting the 35-year-old suspect, who led them to parts of missing boy Leibby Kletsky’s body, stuffed in a suitcase and hidden in a Dumpster outside an auto repair shop about two miles away, sources said.
Police said they found three knives in a butcher block inside the suspect’s apartment.

The suspect was taken into custody at 2:40 a.m. Wednesday at his home on East Second Street in the Kensington section of Brooklyn, and NYPD Deputy Commissioner Paul J. Browne said that during questioning, the man “made statements implicating himself” in the death of Leibby.

It was a tragic end to the “angelic” 9-year-old, who disappeared Monday afternoon after getting lost while walking alone for the first time from his Borough Park day camp and following a man down a busy street, sparking a massive search.

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“There are no words, just no words, to describe the sense of what happened here,” said State Assemblyman Dov Hikind in an interview this morning.
Police did not release the name of the suspect, but sources said they tracked him down by tracing credit card transactions and video surveillance that showed the boy walking behind a bearded man on 45th Street and Dahill Road and possibly getting into a gold-colored car.

Witnesses who saw police raid the suspect’s home at E. 2nd St. and Avenue C recognized the handcuffed, bearded man from surveillance videos. A gold-colored car was also found at the residence, and investigators were seen going over the vehicle inch by inch.

“I’m shocked,” said Rosso Safia, 23, owner of the Park Slope Auto Center. “There’s a little kid in the dumpster we use. I have a little girl of my own. This is the worst thing that has ever happened to us.”

Safia said the store put it’s garbage out around 6:30 last night and that the dumpster is emptied some time between midnight and 3 a.m. He said police told him the dumpster was empty when the boy’s body was discovered.

“When they pick up the garbage they leave the plastic top open so anyone could have tossed it in.”

Kletsky was last seen on surveillance video around 45th Street and Dahill Road walking behind a bearded man in a white shirt and dark pants.
“The boy is standing alone at some point. The male crosses the street in his direction, and the boy follows him on Dahill Road,” said NYPD spokesman Paul Browne, adding that it’s unclear whether the pair exchanged words.

Police have not given a motive for the crime.

“There is no indication at this time that the victim was known to the suspect previously,” Browne said in a statement released Wednesday morning.

“Before establishing his identity, detectives had observed the suspect in a video recorded at 5:30 p.m. on Monday, where he was seen entering a dentist’s office on 18th Avenue in Brooklyn,” Browne said. “Detectives located one of the dentists, who worked there at his home in New Jersey late last night, and established that the suspect had been in the dentist’s office on Monday to pay a bill.”

Police said that, with the assistance of a receptionist and another dentist associated with the practice, detectives tracked down records, found the name and address of the suspect, then went to his home — where he was arrested.


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1

 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:01 AM Ploini Says:

BDE - oy heilige bashefer, send Moshiach already!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 AM roshyeshiva Says:

BDE. ! SO SAD. UNBELIVEL. . . . .

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:16 AM AVERAGE-DUDE Says:

BD'E I Can't handle this!!!
May hashem give strength to his family and friends!! Oh vey!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:17 AM njmom Says:

what sick animal did this to a little kid?????? hashem yinkom damo... my heart is breaking for his poor family. it's every parent's worst nightmare.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:17 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and klal yisrael. So sad.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:18 AM estherl Says:

This is horrific. The poor little boy. Can you please post the details of where the funeral will be and when - I would like to attend.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:20 AM Elazar Says:

BDH

No words...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:20 AM pupa1 Says:

Child was found on E2 between Ave C and courtelyou Rd

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:21 AM Anonymous Says:

I am crying chiles. Going up he was found with missing body parts

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:25 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE. I have no words to express my grief. Not only is this a tragedy for his family, but for Klal Yisroel. I can only hope that eventually his parents can find some joy in their memories of Leiby. Now, let NYPD find the monster that did this - and may he accidentally fall down several sets of concrete steps on this way into custody - and save the state the cost of a trial. Oy mamele, what has this world come to?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:26 AM Ploini Says:

Nkom nikmas dam avodechu!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:29 AM Anonymous Says:

To the VIN editors: Except for the item that I am commenting on, could you please remove the other 10 storylines about this tragedy. It is too painful to see all the details of the search - it is too late now. Please.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Dov Hikind implied the murderers are Jews. Stop the loshen hora garbage. Name every abuser and molester and post pictures. This is a community issue and we must stop hiding behind "frumkeit."

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:39 AM 200,000 PPL LEVAYE Says:

THIS IS A TRAGEDY FOR ALL KLAL YISROEL. RABONIM IN TRI STATE AREA SOULD CALL FOR A BITUL MELUCHA AND TORAH. WE SHOULD COME TO LEVAYE IN THE 1000'S SHOW THE RIBONO AND THE WORLD THAT WE ARE UNITED AND WE ARE ALL CARING FELLOW JEWS.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:40 AM Anonymous Says:

זיי האבן באקומען א טיפ אז די גאלדענע סאדען איז גיווען נעכטן ביי א סעווען עלעווען סטאר און קאני איילענד עקטן זייער סאספישעס! ער האט גיפארקט ביי די סעווען עלעווען נישט ביי די גיווענליכע פארקינג פלעצער! כאטשיג ס'איז גיווען גענוג פארקינג פלעצער!

עס האט גענומען אפאר שעה ווילאנג זיי האבן אנגענומען דעם טיפ ערענסט, ווי נאר זיי האבן נאכגעקוקט די סורוועילינס פון די קעמרע האט זיך די זאך אנגיהויבן רירן, צושויער וואס האבן גיזעהן די עף בי איי ארויס קומען פון די הויז פארציילן אז זיי האבן געוויינט ווען זיי זענען ארויס געקומען!! און איין אגענט האט זיך אנגערופן:
I don't understand why he needed to kill him!!

אבער איין זאך איז זיכער אז די אלע וואלונטירן וואס האבן ארויס גיהאלפן קענען זיך שטארקן מיט דעם אז מען האט גיטראפן די באדי, ווייל שטעלט איך פאהר ווי אזוי מיר וואלטן אויס געקוקט חלילה ווען מען טרעפט ווען נישט דעם קערפער! און די קינד בלייבט ווען א מיסטעריע!!

חזק ואמץ!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:41 AM Anonymous Says:

what a tragic and awful outcome.BDE may the family be comforted .one cannot imagine the pain.beyond all....

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:42 AM MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:43 AM Aussie Says:

Baruch Dayan Emes. I hope the family somehow finds peace.

I hope these m

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:44 AM HBShmoe Says:

The only (albeit tiny) consolation in reading of this catastrophe is that klal Yisroel (if the comments hear are an accurate sampling) are joining to feel and share the grief. Absent are the usual accusations and condemnations and finger-pointing.
Oh great Dayan Haemes, how many more kedoshim much we bear before You send Moshiach?!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:44 AM Aussie Says:

Baruch Dayan Emes. I hope the family somehow finds peace.

I hope the monster(s) that are responsible for this terrible terrible tragedy are swiftly brought to justice, and I DO NOT mean by being placed in a jail cell.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:44 AM Anonymous Says:

The murderer admitted it, it was on the radio. This is when lynching sounds good.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:45 AM SHMOOSER Says:

BDE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are no words that will make the situation better NEBECH
especially when you are involved like the thousands of volunteers, you take your time day and night you feel a connection you take it personnel my heart goes out to the family and friends

T.N.T.B.H.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:47 AM airtravelar Says:

I think fbi should take this Mr. Lavy (wearing a dachik cap with a long beard and yarmeka as seen on the video 18xDahill) to a juge now he should be sentenced to death and they should kill him now. He doesn't desrve 1 more minute here. Let all pray to god that this is the last chiled melestration in our community. T.N.Z.B.H. Light a candle for him

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:47 AM Monseyer Says:

Any motives?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:56 AM airtravelar Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

100%

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:56 AM Anonymous Says:

When my boys were little they looked like Leibby .
We bring them up with midos, with derech eretz. They learn to trust, in order to love; but the other side of the coin is when do we teach them to distrust.
My heart goes out to his family.
My heart is breaking.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:57 AM Anonymous Says:

what can anyone say? How can we go about our normal routines today?

VIN, please post Levaya time & location.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 06:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Bde
This neshuma has a big zechos for being able to bring so many yidden together as one. Unfortunately the ending is not the one we were davenning for. Should we never have to hear any stories like ever again

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:01 AM estherl Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

זיי האבן באקומען א טיפ אז די גאלדענע סאדען איז גיווען נעכטן ביי א סעווען עלעווען סטאר און קאני איילענד עקטן זייער סאספישעס! ער האט גיפארקט ביי די סעווען עלעווען נישט ביי די גיווענליכע פארקינג פלעצער! כאטשיג ס'איז גיווען גענוג פארקינג פלעצער!

עס האט גענומען אפאר שעה ווילאנג זיי האבן אנגענומען דעם טיפ ערענסט, ווי נאר זיי האבן נאכגעקוקט די סורוועילינס פון די קעמרע האט זיך די זאך אנגיהויבן רירן, צושויער וואס האבן גיזעהן די עף בי איי ארויס קומען פון די הויז פארציילן אז זיי האבן געוויינט ווען זיי זענען ארויס געקומען!! און איין אגענט האט זיך אנגערופן:
I don't understand why he needed to kill him!!

אבער איין זאך איז זיכער אז די אלע וואלונטירן וואס האבן ארויס גיהאלפן קענען זיך שטארקן מיט דעם אז מען האט גיטראפן די באדי, ווייל שטעלט איך פאהר ווי אזוי מיר וואלטן אויס געקוקט חלילה ווען מען טרעפט ווען נישט דעם קערפער! און די קינד בלייבט ווען א מיסטעריע!!

חזק ואמץ!

please translate.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:02 AM KACH613 Says:

May Hashem take nikama soon.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

I unfortunately already had to tell one of my kids. It is unfortunate that in this technological world they will hear anyway and better to hear it from a parent than from a kid in school

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:05 AM curious and disgusted Says:

Reply to #25  
airtravelar Says:

I think fbi should take this Mr. Lavy (wearing a dachik cap with a long beard and yarmeka as seen on the video 18xDahill) to a juge now he should be sentenced to death and they should kill him now. He doesn't desrve 1 more minute here. Let all pray to god that this is the last chiled melestration in our community. T.N.Z.B.H. Light a candle for him

is that his name, mr. lavy?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:13 AM opinionated Says:

who said it was a jew?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:19 AM pained Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Dov Hikind implied the murderers are Jews. Stop the loshen hora garbage. Name every abuser and molester and post pictures. This is a community issue and we must stop hiding behind "frumkeit."

I know that neighborhood its predomanantly Arab

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

זיי האבן באקומען א טיפ אז די גאלדענע סאדען איז גיווען נעכטן ביי א סעווען עלעווען סטאר און קאני איילענד עקטן זייער סאספישעס! ער האט גיפארקט ביי די סעווען עלעווען נישט ביי די גיווענליכע פארקינג פלעצער! כאטשיג ס'איז גיווען גענוג פארקינג פלעצער!

עס האט גענומען אפאר שעה ווילאנג זיי האבן אנגענומען דעם טיפ ערענסט, ווי נאר זיי האבן נאכגעקוקט די סורוועילינס פון די קעמרע האט זיך די זאך אנגיהויבן רירן, צושויער וואס האבן גיזעהן די עף בי איי ארויס קומען פון די הויז פארציילן אז זיי האבן געוויינט ווען זיי זענען ארויס געקומען!! און איין אגענט האט זיך אנגערופן:
I don't understand why he needed to kill him!!

אבער איין זאך איז זיכער אז די אלע וואלונטירן וואס האבן ארויס גיהאלפן קענען זיך שטארקן מיט דעם אז מען האט גיטראפן די באדי, ווייל שטעלט איך פאהר ווי אזוי מיר וואלטן אויס געקוקט חלילה ווען מען טרעפט ווען נישט דעם קערפער! און די קינד בלייבט ווען א מיסטעריע!!

חזק ואמץ!

The murderer panicked. Any other explanation?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:23 AM chanief Says:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart is broken for this family and all families of missing / dead children.

To #18, 27 etc. An alternative to "no strangers" is to teach children that if they are lost or need help they should look for a woman with children and approach her for help, or a woman alone if there are none with children around. No strangers EVER can leave a child with no options if they accidentally get lost. It's essential that children have a way to get help if they need it.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:24 AM plainialmaini Says:

1010 wins said the address was 466 east 2nd. A google search indicated that this address is used for a business called schwartzy's windshield. does anyone have details?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
opinionated Says:

who said it was a jew?

Hikind said it.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:25 AM Ploini Says:

CCTV won't help, it can only investigate things after the murder has happened.
I don't see anything serious we can do to stop this, besides teaching our kids NO STRANGERS means NO STRANGERS, don't talk even one word to them.
We live in an imperfect and cruel world, a little tehilim, try to be ehrlich, come to shul and daven, stay away of machlokos and ask hashem he should protect u and ur family.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:25 AM Observer Says:

Reply to #37  
opinionated Says:

who said it was a jew?

Hikind, in the NY Daily News article.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:26 AM bpmommy Says:

i have so many questions but i know i will never get answers. i am speechless,shaken to the core and sick to my stomach. our tefillos did not go to waste,it helped find the little neshume so he can be brought to his final resting place. i cant imagine the horror and fear he faced knowing he will be gone from his family forever. only hashem knows why klal yisroel and his family needs to go through this gutwrenching heartbreak. this heartless monster murdered a heilige neshume and it kills him inside knowing how we all united to find him. uvini shebashumayim...help his parents and family find a nechama...give them strength to go on...comfort them...help them get through this...they need you..you are the only one that we turn to for help. you are our father and you love us but we cant take this pain!! hamokem yenachem eschem, baruch dayan huemes...may the family and klal yisroel only have simcha. all of us need to hug our children a little tighter today and tell them we love them. to all of you that did all you could....only hashem can repay your for your devotion,heart,tefillos,time and money and in this zechus may we never ever face any tragedy ever!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:26 AM Anonymous Says:

1010 wins said the address was 466 east 2nd street. a google search connects this to 'schwartzy's windshield'.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:30 AM Babishka Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Dov Hikind implied the murderers are Jews. Stop the loshen hora garbage. Name every abuser and molester and post pictures. This is a community issue and we must stop hiding behind "frumkeit."

A suspect is already in custody. There should be a death penalty for this type of crime.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:31 AM JudischeFreigedank Says:

Absolutely not. This is a front to push for further imposition into our innocent live's routines. This is not Red Russia where Big Brother looks over our shoulder.

We live in an era of "see-something-say-something." Many find it distasteful and un-Brooklyn like, but we must start getting to know our neighbors. We must begin understanding why the multitudes of individuals in our neighborhood act the way they do. Someone may act weird on rare occasions, but enough to cause alarm. Take note. Reclusive types may be shy and timid; on the other hand, they me be misanthropic and harmful. I don't yet know anything about this character in custody: but don't you think someone might have noticed that he might have been acting weird lately?

As for the sacred neshoma of Leiby Hy"d, face it, it was summoned home by its Creator. He couldn't be in a better place, even as we try to come to some sense over this (which will likely never happen.) As an earlier post said, this spontaneous achdus of all Yidden will be the greatest zechus for Leiby Hy"d.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:29 AM chasidisheshtipers Says:

ye ye nuchem is right!!! May we only hear good news from now.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:37 AM Tayera Kinder Says:

"BDE" MY HEART @ TEARS GO OUT TO THE CHASHUVER AND SWEET FAMILY AND KLAL YISROEL MAY HASHEM CONSOLE YOU AND MAY YOU KNOW ONLY SIMCHOS AND NO SORROW FOREVER!
LEIBY'S PURE NESHAMA WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US @ SUCH A YOUNG AGE, HIS SMILE AND HIS HEILIGKEIT COULD BE FELT BY THOSE WHO KNEW HIM AND ALL OTHERS, HE IS IN HASHEMS EMBRACE NOW, MAY HE BE A MEILITZ YOSHER FOR HIS PARENTS SIBLINGS AND ALL OF HIS FAMILY KLAL YISROEL, LET US ALL BE MEKABEL AN EXTRA TAKANA FOR THE ZECHUS OF LEIBY
& MAY HASHEM HAVE RACHMONES ON HIS TAYERA KINDERLACH AND SEND A QUICK YESHUA AND MOSHIACH NOW I WAS JUST ONE OF THE MANY VOLUNTEERS WHO CAME TOGETHER TO HELP FIND A MISSING BROTHER WHAT A HUGE !!!!! KIDDUSH HASHEM, THE ACHDUS AND LOVE WE SHOWED FOR KLAL YISROEL & HASHEM, THERE WERE LITVAKS AND CHASSIDIM ASHKENAZ AND SEFARDIM MODERN & YESHIVISH FRUM & NON FRUM IT WAS TRULY A NACHAS & I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS HOLY FAMILY A SPECIAL YASHER KOACH & THANKS TO THE NYPD & CAPTAIN FOX AND ALL OTHER NYD OFFICERS FOR THIER TIRELESS HELP ALSO TO HATZALAH AND SHOMRIM & ALL OTHERS WHO PITCHED IN, A SPECIAL THANKS TO BRIAN BRIAR & ALL THOSE WHO HELPED HIM,HAMOKOM YENACHEM ESCHEM BSOCH SHAR AVEILAY TZION VYERUSHALAYIM

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:37 AM abadsa1 Says:

Lets hope this wasn't a known molester from the community protected by various 'leaders'.....

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:38 AM shredready Says:

if the person was a Jew how do we know he was a stranger to leiby
maybe he knew him

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:39 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #40  
chanief Says:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart is broken for this family and all families of missing / dead children.

To #18, 27 etc. An alternative to "no strangers" is to teach children that if they are lost or need help they should look for a woman with children and approach her for help, or a woman alone if there are none with children around. No strangers EVER can leave a child with no options if they accidentally get lost. It's essential that children have a way to get help if they need it.

or police officer

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:40 AM in-the-know Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

1010 wins said the address was 466 east 2nd street. a google search connects this to 'schwartzy's windshield'.

its a private home- google street view

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:40 AM Anonymous Says:

"Hikind said the suspected killer is Jewish."

DEATH PENALTY for this/these dogs. Expose every molester...I don't care who he (or she) may be, what the yichus is & how much Tzedaka they give. We showed incredible Achdus in searching for Leiby A"H, now let's show the same Achdus to protect our children. Rabbonim & family members must stop hiding these animals.

When the pain starts to recede, the anger rises up. Let's channel it to make a "Leiby's Law" in the frum veldt & do something about the Mondrowitzes & Kolkos etc who lurk & prey (not pray) among us.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:47 AM Anonymous Says:

to my fellow jews.
my condolences to all. this is our tragedy too. we all feel the pain. we all searched together in the sweltering heat. we all smashed into backseats of cars, 4 to 5 people in the back at times, to get to our "routes" to search for leiby. those who couldn't be there really wanted to be there. jews from all backgrounds came togethere with such achdus.
may hashem condole leiby's family as well as all of us.
leiby's memory, although ive never met him, will always be etched in my brain. as well as the unity over these last 48 hours. may we all be untied for ONLY GOOD from here on in.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:50 AM speakup Says:

Don't you understand what molesters do? They KILL so their victims will not identify them. They KILL so that their victims will forever be silenced, unable to describe their heinous acts and deviant behavior.
They KILL so they can continue perpetrating unspeakable crimes on our children.

Who will stop them? Who is brave enough among us to finally say, "Our children must come first?" Some of you, dear readers, yell "Moser!" and "Traitor!" when the police are called. You hate the idea of our image being tarnished. Even if it means locking away offenders, or speaking openly of these crimes so the stigma disappears.

Why did it take this innocent child's murder to wake our sleeping community from its slumber of denial?
I can still hear the pathetic "no lashon horah" rants of those "righteous individuals" who condemn in the strongest manner anyone who tries to publicly educate parents and yeshivos about the dangerous predators lurking among us. Whenever the issue of child molesters arises, these voices call in unison to shut down the dialogue. "It's not that bad," they say. "Don't exaggerate," they smirk. On and on they go, refusing to encourage parents, rebbies, and teachers to have crucial conversations with their children and students. Actively discouraging others from open and honest dialogue about the ways to avoid becoming a victim. Any excuse to downplay the dangers.
And thus they risk the very lives of our Moisheles, our Chana'lehs, our Leibys..........

May this precious child's short life and unspeakable, tragic murder serve as the wake-up call our communities need to educate our kinderlach and our parents about the very real dangers we face.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:50 AM Ploini Says:

Reply to #47  
Babishka Says:

A suspect is already in custody. There should be a death penalty for this type of crime.

ur right why isn't there a death penalty in NY, i can never understand this.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:52 AM outofthebox123 Says:

i have a feeling that the boy knew this person.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
JudischeFreigedank Says:

Absolutely not. This is a front to push for further imposition into our innocent live's routines. This is not Red Russia where Big Brother looks over our shoulder.

We live in an era of "see-something-say-something." Many find it distasteful and un-Brooklyn like, but we must start getting to know our neighbors. We must begin understanding why the multitudes of individuals in our neighborhood act the way they do. Someone may act weird on rare occasions, but enough to cause alarm. Take note. Reclusive types may be shy and timid; on the other hand, they me be misanthropic and harmful. I don't yet know anything about this character in custody: but don't you think someone might have noticed that he might have been acting weird lately?

As for the sacred neshoma of Leiby Hy"d, face it, it was summoned home by its Creator. He couldn't be in a better place, even as we try to come to some sense over this (which will likely never happen.) As an earlier post said, this spontaneous achdus of all Yidden will be the greatest zechus for Leiby Hy"d.

absolutely right! we don't know who will use those CCTV's down the road.
"See something Say something" thats the way to go.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Yellow pages says 466 east 2 is home to a Aron family?!?!?!?!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:54 AM bkdkmk Says:

Reply to #41  
plainialmaini Says:

1010 wins said the address was 466 east 2nd. A google search indicated that this address is used for a business called schwartzy's windshield. does anyone have details?

a 411 reverse address shows a whole bunch of aron's living at the property

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:56 AM participate@safetystreets.org Says:

get involved in installing CCTV thru-out the street corners of our community.
For the sake of our children and elderly parents.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
estherl Says:

please translate.

Fbi got a tip that the sedan was seen at 7/11 and acted suspiciously , they didn't follow the tip right away. but after a few hours when things started moving quickly and got to the address on east 2nd.

FBI agents coming out of the house were seen crying, and one agent was overheard saying " i don't understand why he needed to kill him"

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 07:59 AM MosheM Says:

Heilige bashefer!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:00 AM curious Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

Bde
This neshuma has a big zechos for being able to bring so many yidden together as one. Unfortunately the ending is not the one we were davenning for. Should we never have to hear any stories like ever again

I am not a softy but I cried reading your post. How true. May this Kadoish be a guter baita for Klal Yisroel!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:02 AM roshyeshiva Says:

He is a mini hitler. Someone that can take an innocent child and slaughter him in such cold blood. Unbelievable. . . . .

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:04 AM Ahuvah54 Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

As a mother I agree with you but the sad part is, this does not always have to do with strangers. In fact, if my kid avoided going up to a cop because the cop was a "stranger" that's not the outcome I want.
I think it's more useful to talk about "when someone's making you uncomfortable," and then really really not getting down on the kid if there's a problem. Most parents would have a hard time with that, even though they love their kids.
What a world, only more so.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
speakup Says:

Don't you understand what molesters do? They KILL so their victims will not identify them. They KILL so that their victims will forever be silenced, unable to describe their heinous acts and deviant behavior.
They KILL so they can continue perpetrating unspeakable crimes on our children.

Who will stop them? Who is brave enough among us to finally say, "Our children must come first?" Some of you, dear readers, yell "Moser!" and "Traitor!" when the police are called. You hate the idea of our image being tarnished. Even if it means locking away offenders, or speaking openly of these crimes so the stigma disappears.

Why did it take this innocent child's murder to wake our sleeping community from its slumber of denial?
I can still hear the pathetic "no lashon horah" rants of those "righteous individuals" who condemn in the strongest manner anyone who tries to publicly educate parents and yeshivos about the dangerous predators lurking among us. Whenever the issue of child molesters arises, these voices call in unison to shut down the dialogue. "It's not that bad," they say. "Don't exaggerate," they smirk. On and on they go, refusing to encourage parents, rebbies, and teachers to have crucial conversations with their children and students. Actively discouraging others from open and honest dialogue about the ways to avoid becoming a victim. Any excuse to downplay the dangers.
And thus they risk the very lives of our Moisheles, our Chana'lehs, our Leibys..........

May this precious child's short life and unspeakable, tragic murder serve as the wake-up call our communities need to educate our kinderlach and our parents about the very real dangers we face.

Everyone who knows this man knows he is looney and nutty. This is not your typical joe shmoe but a mentally unbalnced man who is clearly meshuga. . and what is obvious now is that he is wicked as well.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:06 AM Leon Zacharowicz MD Says:

This is an unimaginable tragedy, even for those of us experienced in dealing with cases of child abuse.

Ironically, one of the main sugyas in this summer's yarchei kallah on medical halacha in Jerusalem is protecting our children from molestation, and major poskim have been already scheduled to give shiurim on this pressing matter.

I'm sure I speak on behalf of all members of the Jewish Board of Advocacy for Children and all professionals and child advocates in urging our community members to put aside our differences and find ways to better protect our children from the predators among us, ways that must include child safety education and immediate reporting of suspected child abuse to the police.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Ploini Says:

CCTV won't help, it can only investigate things after the murder has happened.
I don't see anything serious we can do to stop this, besides teaching our kids NO STRANGERS means NO STRANGERS, don't talk even one word to them.
We live in an imperfect and cruel world, a little tehilim, try to be ehrlich, come to shul and daven, stay away of machlokos and ask hashem he should protect u and ur family.

Please, why are you sure it was a stranger?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:07 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #58  
Ploini Says:

ur right why isn't there a death penalty in NY, i can never understand this.

one simple reason mistakes have been made in the past (people imprisoned for 20 years in error)and the death penalty cannot be undone.

even when people admit there has been cases that they where coerced

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:10 AM bkdkmk Says:

Reply to #58  
Ploini Says:

ur right why isn't there a death penalty in NY, i can never understand this.

let him rot in jail, you know how this offenders are treated in jails?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:10 AM Rifka Says:

Reply to #57  
speakup Says:

Don't you understand what molesters do? They KILL so their victims will not identify them. They KILL so that their victims will forever be silenced, unable to describe their heinous acts and deviant behavior.
They KILL so they can continue perpetrating unspeakable crimes on our children.

Who will stop them? Who is brave enough among us to finally say, "Our children must come first?" Some of you, dear readers, yell "Moser!" and "Traitor!" when the police are called. You hate the idea of our image being tarnished. Even if it means locking away offenders, or speaking openly of these crimes so the stigma disappears.

Why did it take this innocent child's murder to wake our sleeping community from its slumber of denial?
I can still hear the pathetic "no lashon horah" rants of those "righteous individuals" who condemn in the strongest manner anyone who tries to publicly educate parents and yeshivos about the dangerous predators lurking among us. Whenever the issue of child molesters arises, these voices call in unison to shut down the dialogue. "It's not that bad," they say. "Don't exaggerate," they smirk. On and on they go, refusing to encourage parents, rebbies, and teachers to have crucial conversations with their children and students. Actively discouraging others from open and honest dialogue about the ways to avoid becoming a victim. Any excuse to downplay the dangers.
And thus they risk the very lives of our Moisheles, our Chana'lehs, our Leibys..........

May this precious child's short life and unspeakable, tragic murder serve as the wake-up call our communities need to educate our kinderlach and our parents about the very real dangers we face.

You hit the nail on its head!
All those who protect molesters with their nonsense of "loshon hora", are accomplices to the murder of Leiby Kletzky!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:10 AM bkdkmk Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

Everyone who knows this man knows he is looney and nutty. This is not your typical joe shmoe but a mentally unbalnced man who is clearly meshuga. . and what is obvious now is that he is wicked as well.

so you know him?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:10 AM GimmeNiz Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

"Hikind said the suspected killer is Jewish."

DEATH PENALTY for this/these dogs. Expose every molester...I don't care who he (or she) may be, what the yichus is & how much Tzedaka they give. We showed incredible Achdus in searching for Leiby A"H, now let's show the same Achdus to protect our children. Rabbonim & family members must stop hiding these animals.

When the pain starts to recede, the anger rises up. Let's channel it to make a "Leiby's Law" in the frum veldt & do something about the Mondrowitzes & Kolkos etc who lurk & prey (not pray) among us.

Agreed

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
in-the-know Says:

its a private home- google street view

No. It's Schwartz Auto Body. Don't depend on Google

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:12 AM aryeh123 Says:

It shows his phone number is (917) 560-1695 -shwartzkys auto repair ‎

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:12 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #58  
Ploini Says:

ur right why isn't there a death penalty in NY, i can never understand this.

at the moment the major concern should be the parents of lieby.
This must feel horrible, and they will inevitably blame themselves that they let him walk home on his own.

Of course that is not the case it is not the case but that is what people do,

They will need mush support from friends and the community

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:14 AM Anonymous Says:

BDE GD DO SOMETHING. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS. Hashem protect everyone please. And I am sorry to bring this up, but this is what happens when we let our closet molestors, our closet rapists, protect those animals in these community. I pray for this child's mother and father and family and friends the most. If it is true the person who did this is Jewish, my gosh.... HaShem...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:14 AM FarRockaway Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

Yellow pages says 466 east 2 is home to a Aron family?!?!?!?!

Or just owned by an Aron family. We don't actually know who was living in the house at the time. No point to put out these names in public, it is pure lashon harah, exacerbated by the fact that you are unsure if it's even true. why don't you wait for the media to tell us who lives there instead of you?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:18 AM Monseyer Says:

Why do we have to conclude molestation? What we know is a young innocent boy is dead! By apparently murderous thugs.

Let the FBI do their job.

If you always jump to molestation, you minimize it's cause.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:19 AM stamm Says:

I wonder (we can wonder and never know) if this guy warned leiby earlier to get permisssion to walk tomorrow as opposed to taking the bus
sickening, !!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:21 AM username Says:

Reply to #51  
abadsa1 Says:

Lets hope this wasn't a known molester from the community protected by various 'leaders'.....

Or, if it was, that's one less known molester off the streets, and a tragic lesson to those doing the covering up. May Leiby's death be avenged!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:24 AM UriLevi Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

When my boys were little they looked like Leibby .
We bring them up with midos, with derech eretz. They learn to trust, in order to love; but the other side of the coin is when do we teach them to distrust.
My heart goes out to his family.
My heart is breaking.

I woke up my 5 y.o duaghter at 6:45 this a.m - just to give her a hug. We musn't succumb to the encouragement of distrust to anyone outside our "daled amos"
- we just have to cultivate our inate parental intutions and learn to trust them.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it. After the prayers, after the posters, after the requests from Dov Shurin to help . My goodness, what animal. And 7/11 shame on you. If you see something you say something. If you saw erratic behavior why didnt you call NYPD? NYPD is here to help during cases were citizens are not normal.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:27 AM horrified Says:

who ever did this has broken my heart hashem is sending us a message
the murderer should rot in hell

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Leon Zacharowicz MD Says:

This is an unimaginable tragedy, even for those of us experienced in dealing with cases of child abuse.

Ironically, one of the main sugyas in this summer's yarchei kallah on medical halacha in Jerusalem is protecting our children from molestation, and major poskim have been already scheduled to give shiurim on this pressing matter.

I'm sure I speak on behalf of all members of the Jewish Board of Advocacy for Children and all professionals and child advocates in urging our community members to put aside our differences and find ways to better protect our children from the predators among us, ways that must include child safety education and immediate reporting of suspected child abuse to the police.

Dr. Z. I taught your children (wonderful!!) & I know you to be an example of everything good in Yidden.

So please tell us...how do we explain to our children that NO ONE can be trusted, without making them paranoid?

We've heard the horrific stories of "wonderful, decent, special (I hate that word!) parents" systematically abusing their children. We live in a terrible world. How do we balance that with all that we know is still good? How do we protect our children yet let them be independent?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:28 AM bookman Says:

to the family of dear Leibby: Hamakom yenachem eschem btoich shear aveili Tzion v'yerushalayim.

to all of us: Time to expose every child molester. As the gmara says "he who has mercy on the cruel people, will eventually be cruel to the merciful people".

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:28 AM Furious Says:

I am so angry, it hurts. Someone please give me five minutes alone with this Lavi guy. All I want is five minutes!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:31 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #68  
Ahuvah54 Says:

As a mother I agree with you but the sad part is, this does not always have to do with strangers. In fact, if my kid avoided going up to a cop because the cop was a "stranger" that's not the outcome I want.
I think it's more useful to talk about "when someone's making you uncomfortable," and then really really not getting down on the kid if there's a problem. Most parents would have a hard time with that, even though they love their kids.
What a world, only more so.

very good point

if a person makes your kid uncomfortable even if is a person you know well or even a chushev person do not ignore them. Listen to them and take it seriously
Children, are very preceptive many times more so then adults. They are not blinded by the things adults are. For example, he must be good he has yichus, he is married to so and so. I know his parents. She is a nice lady or whatever.

They see sometimes the person for what they truly are, and not influenced or blinded by external factors they way adults are.


l

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:37 AM GB_Jew Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

Everyone who knows this man knows he is looney and nutty. This is not your typical joe shmoe but a mentally unbalnced man who is clearly meshuga. . and what is obvious now is that he is wicked as well.

If *YOU* know this man it is clearly your bounden duty to tell the police.

Don't worry about מסירה; this man is clearly a רודף.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:41 AM newsposter crying Says:

Reply to #26  
Monseyer Says:

Any motives?

ask nuchem rosenberg he has an answer 4 u

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

this is not about YOU!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
FarRockaway Says:

Or just owned by an Aron family. We don't actually know who was living in the house at the time. No point to put out these names in public, it is pure lashon harah, exacerbated by the fact that you are unsure if it's even true. why don't you wait for the media to tell us who lives there instead of you?

Stop yelling. I was thinking that too. Maybe they know something cuz its their tenants...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:49 AM KevinTheMevin Says:

The professionals in this and all communities need to wake up, draw a line in the sand, and expose those adults who are murdering innocent neshomos and souls, in honor of this precious boy justice must be done, and parents must speak kindly and openly with their children to educate them that no one in the world has a right CH"V to touch them in any non tsniusdikeh way, in any area that should be covered with clothing, and that the child will never be blamed or punished for speaking up about any type of abuse, but rather the abuser will be punished and get what is due R"L, Now is the time people.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:49 AM VarimYid Says:

For whetever it's worth, If you look at street view in google maps @466 est 2nd street ,the address that the body & suspect where found at. You can see a man bending into a station wagon door. The car looks similar to the car in the second surveillance video. Hashem Yiracheim!!.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:51 AM FarRockaway Says:

Reply to #96  
Anonymous Says:

Stop yelling. I was thinking that too. Maybe they know something cuz its their tenants...

I wasn't yelling. I am sure the police questioned them appropriately. What use is it for the public to know?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:52 AM shredready Says:

The alleged murder's name is Aaron Levy. He is 35 years old and lives at 549 EAST 2ND ST in Brooklyn.

Update 6:45 am CDT – A Brooklyn source close to the situation just told me the arrested man is ultra-Orthodox with a long history of child sexual abuse.


This should be a wake up call to all

no more protecting of child molesters and abusers.

The parents must stand firm and report to police all abuse.
and if he was know and protected that leader must answer to the communty and public change his ways

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
outofthebox123 Says:

i have a feeling that the boy knew this person.

please don't talk stupidity. Your "feelings" are ridiculous evidence of anything.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
stamm Says:

I wonder (we can wonder and never know) if this guy warned leiby earlier to get permisssion to walk tomorrow as opposed to taking the bus
sickening, !!

why would you make this stupid remark based on nothing?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:55 AM chayamom Says:

Reply to #37  
opinionated Says:

who said it was a jew?

In the VIN article it says he is a jew (0n the bottom). He also lives on my brothers block and it was confirmed by me sister-in-law. We jews have our problems -- I am just having a difficult time accepting that murder is part of it!
My heart breaks for the child and the family, may hash-m give them the koach to go on!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it. After the prayers, after the posters, after the requests from Dov Shurin to help . My goodness, what animal. And 7/11 shame on you. If you see something you say something. If you saw erratic behavior why didnt you call NYPD? NYPD is here to help during cases were citizens are not normal.

Big talker - many commenters here knew this person and said he was "off". Why are you picking on 7-11 instead of these community members?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:57 AM achdus moment Says:

KolYisroel areyvim zeh lozeh and it hurts. Let us all unite and when we see a child alone or the mothers who leave their carriages with children outside at the robe store Alone. Think again and others should scream in Child Goniff.
No one is at fault here in such a sick situation but we must work on achdus in our daily lives especially after such a tragedy.Let's give each other CHIZUK in Hashems will .

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:57 AM BP MOM Says:

It is every parents duty to tell their children what happened TO AVOID ANOTHER SUCH STORY!!!!! !! Kids who are not educated are perfect victims!!! !PLEA SE TELL YOUR CHILDREN THE TRUTH!!!!! ! Teach them about stranger danger even if they look frum!!!!ne ver hitch a ride with anyone!!!! !!!!Set up a secret code with your kids in the event you need someone to pick them up from school! Driver doesn't know the code, your kids don't go with them! Believe me, it works! It worked on my % year old when i had a friend pick him up from school!!!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:57 AM enlightened-yid Says:

My friend called me to tell me this news. I have not been shaken up by such horrific, shocking, frightening, tragic endings in many years. Like the thousands of volunteers that came out from all over to help search, I went out to help search for Leibby yesterday in the afternoon. We covered two grids on foot searching in alleys, roof tops and back yards. Then we did one more grid search with cars. Never did I have seriously contemplated the thought that he is dead or even worse the manner of death that we now know of. I was saying yesterday how I will go out to help search today again. I'm speechless to say the least.

Baruch Dayan HaEmet.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #98  
VarimYid Says:

For whetever it's worth, If you look at street view in google maps @466 est 2nd street ,the address that the body & suspect where found at. You can see a man bending into a station wagon door. The car looks similar to the car in the second surveillance video. Hashem Yiracheim!!.

what's your point? Is this Google's fault, too?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:59 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #89  
Anonymous Says:

Dr. Z. I taught your children (wonderful!!) & I know you to be an example of everything good in Yidden.

So please tell us...how do we explain to our children that NO ONE can be trusted, without making them paranoid?

We've heard the horrific stories of "wonderful, decent, special (I hate that word!) parents" systematically abusing their children. We live in a terrible world. How do we balance that with all that we know is still good? How do we protect our children yet let them be independent?

report every molester to the police frum or not

this will not eliminate such cases but reduce it drastically.

Since now they get a free ride in the frum communty

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:59 AM sick to my stomach Says:

Laiby literally walked into this monsters hands. He didn't have to look for prey, it came to him!!!
This is so frightening!!!!, how many of these decent looking people we see on the street, or standing next to us in the grocery are actually sick minded.
Children need constantly to be spoken to and warned!! even if they won't be able to fall asleep easily that night.
and please Askonim get more and more cameras installed on corners throughout our neighberhoods, at least they'll know they're being watched

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:59 AM Brian Says:

Boruch Dayan Emes. ad mosai?!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Furious Says:

I am so angry, it hurts. Someone please give me five minutes alone with this Lavi guy. All I want is five minutes!

Stop with your macho talk on an anonymous website posting. Let the prosecutors and the legal process do its job. They may have to move the trial outside of NYC because the case has gotten so much publicity locally and as we recently learned in Florida, its hard to get a balanced jury unless you move the trial.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:03 AM Irishyide Says:

Reply to #59  
outofthebox123 Says:

i have a feeling that the boy knew this person.

Me too, it is all very strange on the first day he gets to walk home he is killed. Is it possible little Leibby was groomed by this so called person. My thoughts prayers and love to his family especially his Mama. If this is a Jew who has or did abuse children the Rabbis need to take a long hard look at themselves and what's going on.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:03 AM ytt parent Says:

Lets talk when it your kid r"l

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:04 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #106  
achdus moment Says:

KolYisroel areyvim zeh lozeh and it hurts. Let us all unite and when we see a child alone or the mothers who leave their carriages with children outside at the robe store Alone. Think again and others should scream in Child Goniff.
No one is at fault here in such a sick situation but we must work on achdus in our daily lives especially after such a tragedy.Let's give each other CHIZUK in Hashems will .

do not blame the mothers

blame the community and its leaders who protect and coddle these
type of people. he was know and there are many more who are even now being protected by our so called leaders.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it. After the prayers, after the posters, after the requests from Dov Shurin to help . My goodness, what animal. And 7/11 shame on you. If you see something you say something. If you saw erratic behavior why didnt you call NYPD? NYPD is here to help during cases were citizens are not normal.

"There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it.."

Sorry, but NYS law does not provide a special category of capital punishment cases for assaults done "while yidden were davening for the victim". If he is found guilty by a jury, he may get life imprisonmnet and in very limited circumstances, he might get capital punishment. But at this point, the individual under arrest is simply a suspect entitled to a presumption of innocence.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:07 AM monseylifer Says:

This is exactly for whom the electric chair was invented. Life imprisonment is not good enough. Kill him-a life for a life..he will do this to others because he will get off, these murderers always do...CHAPTZEM!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Some people have a single tracked mind. No one has any inkling that there is a molester involved, but there are already all these blasphemous comments about leaders etc that are closeting and protecting them. Shame on all of you and your phony organizations that are more about bashing the leadership than protecting children. The systems are far better than they have been, and the recent case involving a perpetrator in Boro Park showed the success of the systems in place. The JBAC and its fanatics have accomplished nothing beyond bashing, and they are to be shamed for it. R' Yaakov Horowitz accomplished in his half hour video more than this group of bitter, anti-chareidi fanatics have accomplished in their several years of noise and bashing.

Awareness is needed, and there is a ton of activity going on. The flying accusations by some commenters here and the notorious, pornographic hotline are as sinful as can get. Rabosai, this is a murder case. Klal Yisroel is wounded. There is much tikun to do, but attacking our leadership is not included in that. May those who seek to destroy Klal Yisroel be zocheh to have their activities stopped, hopefully by teshuvah.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:08 AM mendy40 Says:

we need more street camers to able to see everything that is going on in the street no privacy any more

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:

This monster admitted it. Is that enough?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:09 AM BP MOM Says:

Train your kids to always have quarters in their pockets, need to know your phone number by heart! and train them that in the event they are lost, to aproach women that are with kids to call the cops and never ever let them into anyones car ever!!!!!let them have this person call the cops and have them eait for the cops to show up!!!!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:11 AM achdus Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

Bde
This neshuma has a big zechos for being able to bring so many yidden together as one. Unfortunately the ending is not the one we were davenning for. Should we never have to hear any stories like ever again

Let's use this as an opportunity to stay b'achdus, l'zchus the neshama of Leibby.. Can't we ever put away our differences for good? I think that the rabbonim have to create a major campaign for achdus among klal yisroel.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Boruch Dayan Emes

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:12 AM Still shocked Says:

We should all get together and come up with a Leiby Law that will stop protecting these roidfem who put our children in danger. Something positive must come out of this tragedy!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:13 AM whateverworks Says:

Reply to #18  
MY CHILDREN Says:

What will I tell my kids when they ask me in few min when they wake up: "mommy what happend did they find him"???? (maybe If I tell them truth they will realize what I mean"no strangers")

you tell your kids that if gd forbid they get lost or something go to an adult & borrow a phone or something but never get in the car of a person you dont know!!!! even if they tell you that they will drive you home, rather the child should ask to use the phone & call home or 911. teach your very young kids your phone number or at least 911 it can save their lives. at the same time teach your kids to listen to their inner voice & if an adult even one that they know very well makes them feel uncomfortable they should run in the opposite direction or tell the parents!!!! in this day & age its a must to educate our kids to the vultures out there.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:15 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #123  
achdus Says:

Let's use this as an opportunity to stay b'achdus, l'zchus the neshama of Leibby.. Can't we ever put away our differences for good? I think that the rabbonim have to create a major campaign for achdus among klal yisroel.

I think that the rabbonim have to create a major campaign for achdus among klal yisroel.

you should say a major campaign to report molesters and not to protect them or fly them to Israel.

attack the issue head on

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it. After the prayers, after the posters, after the requests from Dov Shurin to help . My goodness, what animal. And 7/11 shame on you. If you see something you say something. If you saw erratic behavior why didnt you call NYPD? NYPD is here to help during cases were citizens are not normal.

There is no law under which an individual like the accused could have been arrested and held as a "potential abuser" until he actually committed crimes. Its a sad situation, but in most cases, the law does not provide for preventive detention, and even if it did, we have few facilities to house such individuals. Until we find some way to address this issue of preventive detention, the real burden will be on the parents and schools/camps etc. to provide monitoring of young children on a 24x7 basis. Tragically, is this case, someone dropped the ball and allowed this young boy to wander without supervision.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:16 AM nowords Says:

Reply to #95  
Anonymous Says:

this is not about YOU!

It about all of us as a BIG family, the pain is felt throughout the Jewish world!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:18 AM BoruchN Says:

Horror!
My condolences to the parents, family and friends.
There are no words...tragic and devastating.
Once again we see the outcome of a weak, loveless, government, that doesn't follow 'The 7 Noahide Laws.'
How many more, Jew and non-Jewish children have to be the victims of adults that don't care?
This is one reason 'The Rebbe, MH"M, stressed the importance, urgency, of effecting these righteous and civilized laws.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #113  
Anonymous Says:

Stop with your macho talk on an anonymous website posting. Let the prosecutors and the legal process do its job. They may have to move the trial outside of NYC because the case has gotten so much publicity locally and as we recently learned in Florida, its hard to get a balanced jury unless you move the trial.

Good idea! Move the trial to Florida where there actually IS a death penalty.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:19 AM Mrsmrs Says:

Reply to #90  
bookman Says:

to the family of dear Leibby: Hamakom yenachem eschem btoich shear aveili Tzion v'yerushalayim.

to all of us: Time to expose every child molester. As the gmara says "he who has mercy on the cruel people, will eventually be cruel to the merciful people".

Who said anything about it being a child molester???
I reckon the father of the child owed money or was being blackmailed somehow and the murderer took it out on the child!
I REALLY THINK THATIF CHILD MOLESTATION IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ITS THE FIRST THING YOU'RE ALL JUMPING TO THEN GOOD! It's time to take action!! But I think you should all wait for a factual account before assuming it has anything to do with that!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:19 AM Gnuish Says:

Reply to #40  
chanief Says:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart is broken for this family and all families of missing / dead children.

To #18, 27 etc. An alternative to "no strangers" is to teach children that if they are lost or need help they should look for a woman with children and approach her for help, or a woman alone if there are none with children around. No strangers EVER can leave a child with no options if they accidentally get lost. It's essential that children have a way to get help if they need it.

Thank you, Chanief, this is so wise. Moreover, one doesn't need to scare a child to teach him this; so much better and more practical than "stranger danger."

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Hopefully this community and others will learn from this horrible tragedy. Is it better to turn a blind eye to mental illness or abuse, citing mesirah; or should these people be reported to the local authorities? Things like this may, G-d forbid, happen again unless things changes from the top down.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #118  
monseylifer Says:

This is exactly for whom the electric chair was invented. Life imprisonment is not good enough. Kill him-a life for a life..he will do this to others because he will get off, these murderers always do...CHAPTZEM!!!

Electric chair too easy!! Give him life in jail - there's a real lesson he'll learn!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:22 AM mommybubby Says:

We should all be getting the message that hashem is sending us. If a tragedy occurs in the community it means ME. This is how we should all feel. Lets listen to messages and correct think of just one thing that we can work on to become better yidden.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:26 AM A-YiddishScubaDiver Says:

Reply to #126  
whateverworks Says:

you tell your kids that if gd forbid they get lost or something go to an adult & borrow a phone or something but never get in the car of a person you dont know!!!! even if they tell you that they will drive you home, rather the child should ask to use the phone & call home or 911. teach your very young kids your phone number or at least 911 it can save their lives. at the same time teach your kids to listen to their inner voice & if an adult even one that they know very well makes them feel uncomfortable they should run in the opposite direction or tell the parents!!!! in this day & age its a must to educate our kids to the vultures out there.

I have to give it to you, You are 100% right...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
pained Says:

I know that neighborhood its predomanantly Arab

and loaded with yidden too. so please let's not to try and coverup anymore. yes a jew, and obviously sick but don't try to cover up the truth. And to all of you wondering about what to teach our children- don't trust even your next door neighbor even if he has a beard and goes to shul to daven

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:28 AM marcia Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

"Hikind said the suspected killer is Jewish."

DEATH PENALTY for this/these dogs. Expose every molester...I don't care who he (or she) may be, what the yichus is & how much Tzedaka they give. We showed incredible Achdus in searching for Leiby A"H, now let's show the same Achdus to protect our children. Rabbonim & family members must stop hiding these animals.

When the pain starts to recede, the anger rises up. Let's channel it to make a "Leiby's Law" in the frum veldt & do something about the Mondrowitzes & Kolkos etc who lurk & prey (not pray) among us.

55....Absolutely agree..we need a Leiby's Law...this child did not die in vain. This is not the first time this sick individual has done this, someone knew of this man's past and Leiby's death could have been prevented. Do not allow this to happen to another child...find out who lives in your neighborhood!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #121  
Anonymous Says:

This monster admitted it. Is that enough?

Even is an individual admits a crime, until they have all the facts in place, they should NOT risk the prosecution by too quickly labeling him as the perpetrator. We don't want to see this brutal crime dismissed on some technicality.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:30 AM mishpat Says:

There is one bit of good news in this tragedy: That Mr Levy or Levi, this 35 year old alter bachur, will NEVER hurt another child again. Who knows what his resume was until now.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:30 AM JGvin Says:

Reply to #21  
HBShmoe Says:

The only (albeit tiny) consolation in reading of this catastrophe is that klal Yisroel (if the comments hear are an accurate sampling) are joining to feel and share the grief. Absent are the usual accusations and condemnations and finger-pointing.
Oh great Dayan Haemes, how many more kedoshim much we bear before You send Moshiach?!

Beautiful comment and observation.

Thank you.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:31 AM Anonymous Says:

is it time we hand our kids, who walk home from school cell phones? or do we continue to ban cell phones instead of monitoring it?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:32 AM PMOinFL Says:

Apparently it is now leaking out that the accused has had issues with sexually abusing children in the past. If this is true, and there are rabbonim who have been covering it up while assuring everyone that the situation was "handled", I would like to see those rabbonim locked in same cell with him for the entirety of their lives. They are equally to blame for this murder.

This boy didn't have to die. All the "assurances" in the world from rabbonim and the man's parents were not going to stop him from having his way.

It is high-time that we demand, with one voice, something different. It is high-time that EVERY Rav in EVERY community signs on that a child molester is a rapist and a rodef who will NEVER stop and that the police must ALWAYS get involved in order to save lives!

How many victims do you think this man had before he found himself in this situation? How many lives ruined? How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol. How many boys who can't have successful marriages?

I'm angry at this man. I'm angry at the rabbonim who allow these criminals to live in our communities. I'm angry at people who don't call the police.

This boy didn't HAVE to die!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:34 AM winston Says:

Tragic heart-breaking story. My deepest condolences to his family. We teach children to be wary of 'strangers' but too often predators seem trustworthy and familiar. A child on it's own should have a cell phone and explicit instructions that if s/he got lost to call family or police. NEVER go anywhere with anyone you dont know, -no matter how friendly or helpful they seem/

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
achdus moment Says:

KolYisroel areyvim zeh lozeh and it hurts. Let us all unite and when we see a child alone or the mothers who leave their carriages with children outside at the robe store Alone. Think again and others should scream in Child Goniff.
No one is at fault here in such a sick situation but we must work on achdus in our daily lives especially after such a tragedy.Let's give each other CHIZUK in Hashems will .

your right "Kol Yisroel Areyvim Zeh Lozeh" but if he was a person of interest and it was known, then whoever covered up for him and whoever is against posting lists of perps are to blame. yes it is Hashems will. But it also says V'Nishmartem"Meod" that but uncovering all perps and posting them ( i don't care if they are rabbonim or rosh hayeshivos) our kids can see them and be aware

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:39 AM republic Says:

The boys lo aleinu body parts were found in the refrigerator of the apartment of the man. Is not that enough?????

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:39 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #130  
BoruchN Says:

Horror!
My condolences to the parents, family and friends.
There are no words...tragic and devastating.
Once again we see the outcome of a weak, loveless, government, that doesn't follow 'The 7 Noahide Laws.'
How many more, Jew and non-Jewish children have to be the victims of adults that don't care?
This is one reason 'The Rebbe, MH"M, stressed the importance, urgency, of effecting these righteous and civilized laws.

what are you talking about there are laws on the book if only the frum community would report these people to the police.

If you are trying to link this to the gay marriage bill you are dead wrong.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:39 AM oiber-chacham Says:

i would bet my bottom dollar,that this animal has molested scores and scores of children the last few years,and why was he walking the streets of boro-park and not rotting in jail ?,well we all know the answer,because we were told by our insane and pathetic leaders that giving this animal over to the police is MESIRAH.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:42 AM british Says:

Reply to #126  
whateverworks Says:

you tell your kids that if gd forbid they get lost or something go to an adult & borrow a phone or something but never get in the car of a person you dont know!!!! even if they tell you that they will drive you home, rather the child should ask to use the phone & call home or 911. teach your very young kids your phone number or at least 911 it can save their lives. at the same time teach your kids to listen to their inner voice & if an adult even one that they know very well makes them feel uncomfortable they should run in the opposite direction or tell the parents!!!! in this day & age its a must to educate our kids to the vultures out there.

Quote "you tell your kids that if gd forbid they get lost or something go to an adult & borrow a phone or something"

Think again, as it turns out this too is not as safe as we might think...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:42 AM Brian Says:

I feel so terribly for the parents. They must blame themselves somewhat even though it's NOT their fault. May they find peace in knowing that for some unknown reason this was Hashem's will. Having said that, the beast that did this should get the death penalty.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:46 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #138  
Anonymous Says:

and loaded with yidden too. so please let's not to try and coverup anymore. yes a jew, and obviously sick but don't try to cover up the truth. And to all of you wondering about what to teach our children- don't trust even your next door neighbor even if he has a beard and goes to shul to daven

it needs to be balanced I know it is hard but to make your kid paranoid is not an answer either

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Electric chair too easy!! Give him life in jail - there's a real lesson he'll learn!!!

Again, stop rushing to judgement as angry as you might be. He must be evaluated to see if he is mentally fit to go on trial, and then he will be given good defense lawyers (if he and his family cannot afford counsel), doctors who will testify on his behalf, and most important, the prosecution will have to demonstrate that hie is guilty (unless he agree to plead guilty). And don't forget from the recent Anthony Florida trial that a jury his hard to predict.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:48 AM oiber-chacham Says:

it is imperative and a must,that every parent,cut out and save all the pictures and stories of this tragedy,especially the picture where you see the FBI bringing out the bags with the body parts of Leibi h''y''d,and show it to your children,and explain to them this is what will happen to you,if you stop to talk or get into a strangers car.
and this should be done not once or twice,but every couple of weeks until they grow up

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #118  
monseylifer Says:

This is exactly for whom the electric chair was invented. Life imprisonment is not good enough. Kill him-a life for a life..he will do this to others because he will get off, these murderers always do...CHAPTZEM!!!

Electric chair would be to nice. Get the woman from California who disposed of her husbands junk in the garbage disposal. she will give this guy what he deserves.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 09:59 AM Vestin Says:

Where was the perp walk? Why wasnt this vile human scum paraded in front of all the camera's for all the community to see, just like Dominick Strauss Kahn? Why do vile animals get better treatment. Hashem yikom.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:04 AM Moshe4753 Says:

I am shocked , saddened , and very angry.

I am sure many of us are angry.

But lets try our best to use our emotions to accomplish something positive. Lets use the publicity of this tragedy to reinforce the teachings to our children that they should not talk to strangers or even get into someones car without permission from their parents.

Lets also do everything we can to help get dangerous people off the streets and into prison where they cant hurt the public anymore.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:06 AM charliehall Says:

Baruch Dayan HaEmet.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:07 AM Charlie Hall Says:

In Noachide courts, a single witness suffices.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM Aron1 Says:

I've seen many of the original security camera video. This is what I believe happened:
1. Leiby is walking alone up 44th st approaching Dahill Rd. wearing his striped shirt and blue backpack (seen on video)
2. At some point the suspect speaks to Leiby (not seen on video). Leiby may or may not have gotten into the gold car already at this point.
3. Gold car parks on Dahill Rd. 50 feet before 18th Ave. Suspect seen walking towards 18th Ave. with Leiby following close behind (also coming out of gold gar? Unknown). Leiby is no longer wearing his striped shirt, but is holding it together with his backpack. (seen on video).
4. Leiby waits on corner while suspect hurries across to dentist office. When suspect crosses back he says something quickly to Leiby ("Let's go"?), and Leiby, still holding shirt and backpack, quickly follows suspect into car. (seen on video)
5. Gold car waits for traffic to clear at traffic light and pulls out (seen on video)
6. I did not see this part, but I'm pretty sure video will show the car making a left on 18th Ave. towards Kensington.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

children should carry cell phones that have several limited # on them in case they need help at all times...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:08 AM BDE Says:

wouldnt cameras on all blocks help in general and keep our streets safer?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:10 AM Chaim Says:

Reboina Shel oilam,,,, hob rachmunes!!!!

A pure chasidishe neshuma.... Dam avadecha..

Simply no words...

I am now a tzibtochene hartz

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:11 AM Rabbit Says:

He deserves a slow gruesome death - hung in the middle of Boro Park wrapped in wool and burned, and all passersby should stone him.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:12 AM Charlie Hall Says:

Reply to #130  
BoruchN Says:

Horror!
My condolences to the parents, family and friends.
There are no words...tragic and devastating.
Once again we see the outcome of a weak, loveless, government, that doesn't follow 'The 7 Noahide Laws.'
How many more, Jew and non-Jewish children have to be the victims of adults that don't care?
This is one reason 'The Rebbe, MH"M, stressed the importance, urgency, of effecting these righteous and civilized laws.

The United States has not followed the Noachide Laws since June 21, 1788, when the ratification of the United States Constitution was completed. That Constitution provided that there would never be any religious test for any federal government office. Thus an open idol worshiper could become President of the United States -- but so could a Jew! That provision made Jews full citizens; it was the first time in almost 1500 years that Jews were full citizens of any state in the western world. The small Jewish community then in America responded with tremendous enthusiasm; there was a huge celebration in Philadelphia on July 4, 1788 in which the Chazan of the synagogue walked in a huge parade alongside the Christian clergy of the city -- to a massive feast at the end of the parade route where there was a separate table of kosher food for the Jews! The United States has given Jews more freedom to be Jews and practice Judaism than any state since Bayit Sheni. This is truly the Medinah Shel Chesed.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:16 AM UseYourHead Says:

It would be appropriate to review the pararasha of Eglah Arufah at this time.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:16 AM detective Says:

put the pieces together people, he begged his parents to walk home instead of taking the bus, in the surveillance video from 18th street he waits for the man to start crossing the street only then does leiby start walking towards him and then when the man reaches him they exchange a few words and then leiby follows him, this sicko had planned this before with leiby and told him he would do something with him (e.g. buy him something or take him out to eat) and convinced him to tell his parents to let him walk so they could go out, i think that leiby planned on meeting with this man seeing as the school is on 12th and 44th, and his house is on 15th and 57th, the footage of leiby is from 18th and 44th meaning leiby just walked straight down 44th if he planned on walking home that day and really just got lost u would think he would have some clue where to go, from this i conclude that he knew where he was going and who he was meeting but all innocently and naively and this man took him and did the unspeakable to him, watch the video and youll see what i mean
hashem yimkom damo

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:17 AM Babishka Says:

Reply to #154  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is imperative and a must,that every parent,cut out and save all the pictures and stories of this tragedy,especially the picture where you see the FBI bringing out the bags with the body parts of Leibi h''y''d,and show it to your children,and explain to them this is what will happen to you,if you stop to talk or get into a strangers car.
and this should be done not once or twice,but every couple of weeks until they grow up

That may or may not be helpful but it is 100% guaranteed to raise a child who is paranoid and traumatised.

Why not have a tracking chip implanted into every newborn?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM Aron1 Says:

I fear that the posting of the surveillance video at 18th Ave. may have caused the suspect to panic.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:20 AM chanief Says:

Reply to #154  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is imperative and a must,that every parent,cut out and save all the pictures and stories of this tragedy,especially the picture where you see the FBI bringing out the bags with the body parts of Leibi h''y''d,and show it to your children,and explain to them this is what will happen to you,if you stop to talk or get into a strangers car.
and this should be done not once or twice,but every couple of weeks until they grow up

I agree with you about not getting into a strangers car, but if you teach them that this is what will happen if they talk to a stranger, how will they get help if they are lost? The "NO STRANGERS" rule will work against them in such a situation. They need to be educated about who and how to ask for help - ask a woman with children first, a woman second if there are no women with children around, a man with children third - a police officer is a good person to ask for help too but I am wary of them because you just never know so I put them after an adult with children. In general there will be adults with children where ever a child is. Furthermore a small child may not see a police officer's badge but can certainly spot other children their age. Kids need to be taught to trust their instincts and as you said NEVER to get into car with a stranger no matter what. But please, parents, do NOT teach your children to never talk to strangers because that leaves them helpless if they are lost. It's far more realistic to teach them about appropriate people to ask for help from.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:21 AM avi Says:

Yes there was a murder by a crazy jew, how can this be...but let us not forget the amazing achdus and mesirus nefesh of all the thousands of volunteers and yidden praying for a child and family they never met.. we should all go to the levayah and cry and scream out for mashiach now!
we must scream out ad mosai take us out of golus now!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

Yellow pages says 466 east 2 is home to a Aron family?!?!?!?!

And the first name of one of them is Levi.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM avi Says:

154 if you do it in such a traumatic way you will traumatize your children tell them it is dangerous etc.. but dont traumatize them

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM Anonymous Says:

154 where did you see such pictures?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #100  
shredready Says:

The alleged murder's name is Aaron Levy. He is 35 years old and lives at 549 EAST 2ND ST in Brooklyn.

Update 6:45 am CDT – A Brooklyn source close to the situation just told me the arrested man is ultra-Orthodox with a long history of child sexual abuse.


This should be a wake up call to all

no more protecting of child molesters and abusers.

The parents must stand firm and report to police all abuse.
and if he was know and protected that leader must answer to the communty and public change his ways

He is not an "Ultra Orthodox Jew" for if he was he would not have committed such heinous crime. Jew? perhaps. Shomer Torah Mitzvah? NO! Childfren are our most precious asset and it is a parents obligation to protect them in every way possible, even when the child objects. This unfortunate incident is not limitied to young boys or girls but even more prevelent with young teens who think they know it all. There are many predators out there some farshtelt as "frum Yidden" The community must be ever vigilant for the "enemy within" for it is not always the goy who looks to do harm. I certainly hope that if the monster is found guilty, the liberal Yidden do not start their cries for mercy. He deserves the full measure the law has to offer. Would we expect any less if it was a goy who committed this violent crime. May the family be comforted by HaShem and never again know tzuris and may this little angel be a Maletz Yosher for his family and Klal Yisroel.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

who posted this last night at 1:03am nicknamed curious?

There is something about that man's hunched posture that looks familiar to me. I might've seen him before. Kensington? He better keep that boy safe or hell will rain down on him.

Reply »

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Electric chair too easy!! Give him life in jail - there's a real lesson he'll learn!!!

Jail is also too easy. Hack him up like he hacked up poor little Leiby! And do it one limb at a time, while he is still alive.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:31 AM Hashem Rules! Says:

Reply to #100  
shredready Says:

The alleged murder's name is Aaron Levy. He is 35 years old and lives at 549 EAST 2ND ST in Brooklyn.

Update 6:45 am CDT – A Brooklyn source close to the situation just told me the arrested man is ultra-Orthodox with a long history of child sexual abuse.


This should be a wake up call to all

no more protecting of child molesters and abusers.

The parents must stand firm and report to police all abuse.
and if he was know and protected that leader must answer to the communty and public change his ways

Correct info: Animal's name- levi Aron aka Jack Aron
address 466 east 2 street

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #154  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is imperative and a must,that every parent,cut out and save all the pictures and stories of this tragedy,especially the picture where you see the FBI bringing out the bags with the body parts of Leibi h''y''d,and show it to your children,and explain to them this is what will happen to you,if you stop to talk or get into a strangers car.
and this should be done not once or twice,but every couple of weeks until they grow up

Really? You want to show your children bags containing the body parts of another child? You want they should have nightmares for years?

There is a proper way to do it, and what you suggest is both cruel and ineffective.

Children should always know that if they are lost they should go into a restaurant or any other crowded business and tell someone who WORKS THERE that they are lost and ask the adult to call their parents. Your children should be told that they should stay near the door so they can see out the window to the street to wait for you. If anyone approaches them or if someone tries to take them anywhere else, they should scream "stranger. stranger. stranger". Do not be worried about who you might offend, or the possible embarrassment to those around your child. A child shouting "stranger" is way to get attention, and not an accusation of anything wrong. If we call just agree on that. If we can all just agree that a child shouting "stranger" at us is OK and not an accusation, we have a chance to prevent these horrible stories in the future.

You can give your children the tools they need without being cruel and without shocking their conscience.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Meh Haya Lanu?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:33 AM maitiv Says:

Every child should carry a celphone, so they can call for help and so they can easily be traced. The monster was only able to do his worst because he knew the heimishe don't give their kids celphones (open the advice of the kol koreh tumelers)

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:37 AM yosephe Says:

I am not criticizing the great efforts that all the fellow yidden undertook to help find this boy hy"d.
However, do we know when he was killed?
It may be that the person heard there was such a huge search going on and got nervous and killed him. This in no way justifies his behavior but rather maybe we need to look at what the safest approach is in these situations.

Just like the israeli troops are not going in rescue gilad bc they know it would mean certain death as soon as the arabs found out maybe we need to be more discreet in these types of situations.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #151  
Brian Says:

I feel so terribly for the parents. They must blame themselves somewhat even though it's NOT their fault. May they find peace in knowing that for some unknown reason this was Hashem's will. Having said that, the beast that did this should get the death penalty.

While I tend to agree with you that he should receive the death penalty. I almost think that life in prison would serve as a more fitting punishment. Do you have any idea what fate awaits a child molester in prison? Even inmates have their own (albeit perverse} moral code and the only way to protect a child molester is to keep him in solitary until he is a very old man. Otherwise his fate has been pre-determined by the inmate population and it is not a very pleasant one. He will be lucky if he were to survive a couple of years in the general prison population and if he does he will most probably die of HIV/AIDS rather than old age. Either way it is truly a punishment he has earned.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM correction needed Says:

Reply to #163  
Chaim Says:

Reboina Shel oilam,,,, hob rachmunes!!!!

A pure chasidishe neshuma.... Dam avadecha..

Simply no words...

I am now a tzibtochene hartz

a pure neshuma!

H"yd

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #153  
Anonymous Says:

Again, stop rushing to judgement as angry as you might be. He must be evaluated to see if he is mentally fit to go on trial, and then he will be given good defense lawyers (if he and his family cannot afford counsel), doctors who will testify on his behalf, and most important, the prosecution will have to demonstrate that hie is guilty (unless he agree to plead guilty). And don't forget from the recent Anthony Florida trial that a jury his hard to predict.

Was he is mentally fit to drive???

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM Granny Says:

Reply to #40  
chanief Says:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart is broken for this family and all families of missing / dead children.

To #18, 27 etc. An alternative to "no strangers" is to teach children that if they are lost or need help they should look for a woman with children and approach her for help, or a woman alone if there are none with children around. No strangers EVER can leave a child with no options if they accidentally get lost. It's essential that children have a way to get help if they need it.

Chanief is 100% right - the best lesson that children can understand, even at a very young age, is "ask another Mommy to help you. She'll help you find me." It's not just walking alone in the street that something can happen. Anyone who has ever taken a chld into a busy store knows how if you turn away for one second to pay, or ask a salesperson a question, suddenly you can't see your child. Always tell them to find a Mommy to help.
I can't even let my mind wander to think about how terrified that little boy must have been. This whole family's lives are ruined forever - parents, grandparents, siblings. This will never be completely over for them.
Oy, mi zul upgeheiten veren.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Buses should drop kids off in front of their homes even if it takes a longer route. This is especially true in Monsey where buses will not come into dead ends even though they are big enough for the bus to come in, also most mosdos use public transportation not knowing who the drivers are and they only drop of kids at street corners. This is very dangerous and should be stopped. I think given a choice, a parent would gladly pay transportation and have their child dropped off where it is safe. bde

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM SHOU-B Says:

זמני תשובה ממשמשים ובאים [תמוז] ירחם הקב"ה על ההורים שיחיו ועל כל המשפחה וכלל ישראל. הרי הביאנו קרבן עולה, נשמה טהורה של תשב"ר. לכן יהי רצון שלא ישמע עוד שבר בעמנו וירפא הקב"ה את לבבנו הנשבר שנזכה לשמוע קול שופרו של משיח עם תחית המתים בביאת גואל צדק בב"א.
בואו ביחד להעמיד קרן צדקה או קרן לימוד
לעילוי נשמת הילד יהודה בן נחמן ע"ה הי"ד

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
FarRockaway Says:

Or just owned by an Aron family. We don't actually know who was living in the house at the time. No point to put out these names in public, it is pure lashon harah, exacerbated by the fact that you are unsure if it's even true. why don't you wait for the media to tell us who lives there instead of you?

Lashon hara? about a murderer? when will this claim of lashon hara stop. Molesters still benefit from it and now murderers who dismember their victims. unbeleivable

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 10:59 AM Shomrim Says:

1. Even if kids have an emergency cell phone with only a couple of numbers to call, if an adult gains their trust, they might not use it.
2. Children need to understand what it is that bad people might do, and how to react to it.
3. They also need to feel safe enough with their parents to tell them if they have done something they think is "wrong".
4. Pay attention to your children, do not punish them if they tell you they did something that they were not supposed to. This way, when it matters, you can count on hearing the truth from them.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Since when is someone Frum based on what he wears and not how he lives his life?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM sammi1195 Says:

The poor child's 2 feet in this "person"'s freezer are the eidim, you minuval -

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #178  
Hashem Rules! Says:

Correct info: Animal's name- levi Aron aka Jack Aron
address 466 east 2 street

according to his friends on his facebook page (listed under levi A. but not searchable unless you have the link -- he has a "friend" named Jack Aron but he is an older man with a small beard.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

In 1956, on Long Island, a Jewish baby by the name of Peter Weinberger was kidnapped from outside his home. The baby was found dead about a month later. The kidnapper was eventually caught, because his handwriting on the ransom note was matched to motor vehicle records. He was tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and executed. His execution took place within two and a half years after his capture. In those days, there were no long, drawn out, frivolous appeals. The only way to deal with these predators is to exectute them!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #144  
PMOinFL Says:

Apparently it is now leaking out that the accused has had issues with sexually abusing children in the past. If this is true, and there are rabbonim who have been covering it up while assuring everyone that the situation was "handled", I would like to see those rabbonim locked in same cell with him for the entirety of their lives. They are equally to blame for this murder.

This boy didn't have to die. All the "assurances" in the world from rabbonim and the man's parents were not going to stop him from having his way.

It is high-time that we demand, with one voice, something different. It is high-time that EVERY Rav in EVERY community signs on that a child molester is a rapist and a rodef who will NEVER stop and that the police must ALWAYS get involved in order to save lives!

How many victims do you think this man had before he found himself in this situation? How many lives ruined? How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol. How many boys who can't have successful marriages?

I'm angry at this man. I'm angry at the rabbonim who allow these criminals to live in our communities. I'm angry at people who don't call the police.

This boy didn't HAVE to die!!!

"How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol"

What does OTD have to do with this? The suspect does not appear to have been off the derech - which is probably one of the reasons that he was able to convince the child to go with him.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #140  
Anonymous Says:

Even is an individual admits a crime, until they have all the facts in place, they should NOT risk the prosecution by too quickly labeling him as the perpetrator. We don't want to see this brutal crime dismissed on some technicality.

Unless the suspect is placed in protective custody, it is unlikely that he will survive until his trial. Once the details of his crime come out, the inmates will look after the problem and save the state a lot of money.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:17 AM awacs Says:

Reply to #135  
Anonymous Says:

Electric chair too easy!! Give him life in jail - there's a real lesson he'll learn!!!

Life in jail with a roommate named Bubba.

Or, better: vasectomy via weed-whacker.

How about drawing and quartering?

Or, coating him with honey, and burying him in an anthill? Fire ants.

Come back later, and I'll have more suggestions.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #194  
Anonymous Says:

In 1956, on Long Island, a Jewish baby by the name of Peter Weinberger was kidnapped from outside his home. The baby was found dead about a month later. The kidnapper was eventually caught, because his handwriting on the ransom note was matched to motor vehicle records. He was tried, convicted, sentenced to death, and executed. His execution took place within two and a half years after his capture. In those days, there were no long, drawn out, frivolous appeals. The only way to deal with these predators is to exectute them!

That's when the special interest group called "lawyers" did not control our political and judicial system the way they do now$$$$$...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #190  
Shomrim Says:

1. Even if kids have an emergency cell phone with only a couple of numbers to call, if an adult gains their trust, they might not use it.
2. Children need to understand what it is that bad people might do, and how to react to it.
3. They also need to feel safe enough with their parents to tell them if they have done something they think is "wrong".
4. Pay attention to your children, do not punish them if they tell you they did something that they were not supposed to. This way, when it matters, you can count on hearing the truth from them.

I can understand the point of children having limited cell phones. They can be triangulated and thus located if something happens to them, c"v....

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:30 AM Anonymous Says:

To Leibbys parents and family
Like the millions of people around the world, I am thinking of you, and davening that Hashem should comfort you and relief your pain. I will bli neder take upon myself to improve in a mitsva for Leibbys neshoma who is already in gan eden amongst the many tsadikim.
Hamokom yenachem eschem besoich avilei tsion vyerushalim

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:32 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #170  
chanief Says:

I agree with you about not getting into a strangers car, but if you teach them that this is what will happen if they talk to a stranger, how will they get help if they are lost? The "NO STRANGERS" rule will work against them in such a situation. They need to be educated about who and how to ask for help - ask a woman with children first, a woman second if there are no women with children around, a man with children third - a police officer is a good person to ask for help too but I am wary of them because you just never know so I put them after an adult with children. In general there will be adults with children where ever a child is. Furthermore a small child may not see a police officer's badge but can certainly spot other children their age. Kids need to be taught to trust their instincts and as you said NEVER to get into car with a stranger no matter what. But please, parents, do NOT teach your children to never talk to strangers because that leaves them helpless if they are lost. It's far more realistic to teach them about appropriate people to ask for help from.

a police officer is a good person to ask for help too but I am wary of them because you just never know


please when is the last time you heard a police officer kidnapper and molesting a child in uniform

after the great effort the police made in this case and other cases you should be ashamed for disparaging them.

The police is most likely the safest person to ask

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:42 AM Anonymous Says:

David: In the midst of this terrible tragedy, your beautiful words began the healing process for me. You have an incredible talent - and you speak the truth. Thank you.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM yubap Says:

Reply to #165  
Charlie Hall Says:

The United States has not followed the Noachide Laws since June 21, 1788, when the ratification of the United States Constitution was completed. That Constitution provided that there would never be any religious test for any federal government office. Thus an open idol worshiper could become President of the United States -- but so could a Jew! That provision made Jews full citizens; it was the first time in almost 1500 years that Jews were full citizens of any state in the western world. The small Jewish community then in America responded with tremendous enthusiasm; there was a huge celebration in Philadelphia on July 4, 1788 in which the Chazan of the synagogue walked in a huge parade alongside the Christian clergy of the city -- to a massive feast at the end of the parade route where there was a separate table of kosher food for the Jews! The United States has given Jews more freedom to be Jews and practice Judaism than any state since Bayit Sheni. This is truly the Medinah Shel Chesed.

100% correct! Despite the fact that the U.S. has not followed the שבע מצוות בני נח (nor do I believe it is our responsibility to force them to), this country has traditionally followed what they call (trust me - I despise the term) a "Judeo-Christian" ethic, which is why, hopefully, the perpetrator will be brought to justice. Why blame the "weak, loveless government" (#130) for something they are fighting against and despise(witness the immediate response of the FBI and the super-quick apprehension of the suspect). There is always room for improvement, but we must, indeed, be thankful for this Medinah Shel Chesed.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #195  
Anonymous Says:

"How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol"

What does OTD have to do with this? The suspect does not appear to have been off the derech - which is probably one of the reasons that he was able to convince the child to go with him.

Children who are victims of sexual abuse are 60% more likely to turn to drugs and alcohol than their peers. In our community it is worse because those same kids give up on Torah too.

A fleeting sexual encounter with a child even once can leave a child unable to EVER live a normal life. Don't ever forget that.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #162  
BDE Says:

wouldnt cameras on all blocks help in general and keep our streets safer?

No..we don't want to use an occasional tragedy such as this as an excuse to turn our country into a police state where the government can monitor everywhere we go and whatever we do. The few lives that arguably might be saved are not worth the permanent loss of civil liberties.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

hamokom yenachem eschem besoch sha'ar avelei tzion yerushalayim. my heart goes out to the parents and family of Leibby z'l. what a tragic story.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

Baruch Hashem. Unfortunately, DrudgeReport isn't.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

There are sadly many children who disappear every day and tragically, many of them meet similiar outcomes and foul play. The national media are no longer fixated on these cases the way that HNN obcessed about the Anthony disappearence and trial or the way the local media here in NYC might find this case newsworty. Sadly, these tragedies are no longer "news"?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

And that surprises you ... how?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:04 PM A Says:

Reply to #83  
Monseyer Says:

Why do we have to conclude molestation? What we know is a young innocent boy is dead! By apparently murderous thugs.

Let the FBI do their job.

If you always jump to molestation, you minimize it's cause.

What do you think he took Leibby for? To play Monopoly? It's pretty obvious what Levi Aron's intentions were, it helps no one to shut their eyes and pretend.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:05 PM no1jew Says:

BDE!
May this be the last tragedy to befall us, we can't take any more.
may this bring the geulah now!!!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:08 PM A Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

There should be a dealth penalty in this case?? This man did it knowing that all of us were praying, men looking for this boy and he did it. After the prayers, after the posters, after the requests from Dov Shurin to help . My goodness, what animal. And 7/11 shame on you. If you see something you say something. If you saw erratic behavior why didnt you call NYPD? NYPD is here to help during cases were citizens are not normal.

I don't know if the 7/11 story is true or just rumor but you can't fault someone for not reporting "erratic behavior", we all experience people like that all the time, do we call the police each time? There are far too many strange people who live and visit NY, it's almost impossible to tell which of these odd people are dangerous.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:14 PM yosephe Says:

it seems that my guess about him killing him because he was scared was right.

our community really needs to think about how we handle missing children cases, because it might have turned out differently had we done things discreetly.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM A Says:

Reply to #130  
BoruchN Says:

Horror!
My condolences to the parents, family and friends.
There are no words...tragic and devastating.
Once again we see the outcome of a weak, loveless, government, that doesn't follow 'The 7 Noahide Laws.'
How many more, Jew and non-Jewish children have to be the victims of adults that don't care?
This is one reason 'The Rebbe, MH"M, stressed the importance, urgency, of effecting these righteous and civilized laws.

It's astounding that you found a way to blame our government for the actions of a single monster.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM anonymous Says:

Where did this evil animal daven if at all? Where does he belong? Who knows him?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM night-owl-par-excellance Says:

Reply to #160  
Aron1 Says:

I've seen many of the original security camera video. This is what I believe happened:
1. Leiby is walking alone up 44th st approaching Dahill Rd. wearing his striped shirt and blue backpack (seen on video)
2. At some point the suspect speaks to Leiby (not seen on video). Leiby may or may not have gotten into the gold car already at this point.
3. Gold car parks on Dahill Rd. 50 feet before 18th Ave. Suspect seen walking towards 18th Ave. with Leiby following close behind (also coming out of gold gar? Unknown). Leiby is no longer wearing his striped shirt, but is holding it together with his backpack. (seen on video).
4. Leiby waits on corner while suspect hurries across to dentist office. When suspect crosses back he says something quickly to Leiby ("Let's go"?), and Leiby, still holding shirt and backpack, quickly follows suspect into car. (seen on video)
5. Gold car waits for traffic to clear at traffic light and pulls out (seen on video)
6. I did not see this part, but I'm pretty sure video will show the car making a left on 18th Ave. towards Kensington.

Please tell me why did he take off his shirt? I am so shaken-up by this story. Why did this monster do this?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM alwaysright Says:

Reply to #212  
Anonymous Says:

Baruch Hashem. Unfortunately, DrudgeReport isn't.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/13/new.york.missing.boy.remains/index.html?iref=allsearch

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #217  
A Says:

I don't know if the 7/11 story is true or just rumor but you can't fault someone for not reporting "erratic behavior", we all experience people like that all the time, do we call the police each time? There are far too many strange people who live and visit NY, it's almost impossible to tell which of these odd people are dangerous.

What is the 7/11 story?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:27 PM A Says:

Reply to #169  
Aron1 Says:

I fear that the posting of the surveillance video at 18th Ave. may have caused the suspect to panic.

You and me both. We'll never know unless he says something but having thousands of people searching, countless flyers saturating neighborhoods, being the top news on television & radio, and seeing himself and his car on the video, may have pushed him to "protect" himself.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:28 PM allmark Says:

Reply to #100  
shredready Says:

The alleged murder's name is Aaron Levy. He is 35 years old and lives at 549 EAST 2ND ST in Brooklyn.

Update 6:45 am CDT – A Brooklyn source close to the situation just told me the arrested man is ultra-Orthodox with a long history of child sexual abuse.


This should be a wake up call to all

no more protecting of child molesters and abusers.

The parents must stand firm and report to police all abuse.
and if he was know and protected that leader must answer to the communty and public change his ways

VIN should absolutely not allow the name of a specific suspect to be used and, even more, the person's address, especially when the information is not from an official source.

You could destroy the reputation of a completely innocent person and by providing the address, could encourage physical attacks on the person named. .

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #204  
shredready Says:

a police officer is a good person to ask for help too but I am wary of them because you just never know


please when is the last time you heard a police officer kidnapper and molesting a child in uniform

after the great effort the police made in this case and other cases you should be ashamed for disparaging them.

The police is most likely the safest person to ask

Did you not hear the commissioner say at the press conference that this animal was a security guard in Memphis? Security guards wear police like uniforms. A lost child may approach one. Some are obviously monsters.

So precautions need to be given so that children know who and how to approach if necessary and a list of priorities in types of people (egs., mothers w kids, single woman, people in a crowd etc.) And then what sort of actions to take from there-- do you get in their car when they say they will drive you home and back to safety?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM A Says:

Reply to #170  
chanief Says:

I agree with you about not getting into a strangers car, but if you teach them that this is what will happen if they talk to a stranger, how will they get help if they are lost? The "NO STRANGERS" rule will work against them in such a situation. They need to be educated about who and how to ask for help - ask a woman with children first, a woman second if there are no women with children around, a man with children third - a police officer is a good person to ask for help too but I am wary of them because you just never know so I put them after an adult with children. In general there will be adults with children where ever a child is. Furthermore a small child may not see a police officer's badge but can certainly spot other children their age. Kids need to be taught to trust their instincts and as you said NEVER to get into car with a stranger no matter what. But please, parents, do NOT teach your children to never talk to strangers because that leaves them helpless if they are lost. It's far more realistic to teach them about appropriate people to ask for help from.

Telling them to walk into a store with customers and asking for help is a good practice too. Safety in numbers.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:33 PM awacs Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

NY Post:

"Leibby's distraught dad, Nachman, a passenger-van driver with five daughters, reviewed the earlier footage. "He had tears in his eyes," said Moishe Lefkovitz, the manager of the locksmith shop at 44th Street and 15th Avenue where the surveillance footage was taken.

""He kept shaking his head, saying, 'Where are you going? Where are you going? What are you doing?' "

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #210  
Anonymous Says:

No..we don't want to use an occasional tragedy such as this as an excuse to turn our country into a police state where the government can monitor everywhere we go and whatever we do. The few lives that arguably might be saved are not worth the permanent loss of civil liberties.

ave a life, save a world. One is commanded to BREAK SHABBOS to save a life. Hashem has us sacrificing His commandment -- it's an obligation -- to save a life. So what are you willing to sacrifice? You think civil liberties come ahead of saving an actual life?

The only one worried about cameras in public places are people who are doing things they shouldn't be doing. This isn't Russia. Noone is going to be tracking you down unless there's a reason to.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM Observer Says:

Reply to #144  
PMOinFL Says:

Apparently it is now leaking out that the accused has had issues with sexually abusing children in the past. If this is true, and there are rabbonim who have been covering it up while assuring everyone that the situation was "handled", I would like to see those rabbonim locked in same cell with him for the entirety of their lives. They are equally to blame for this murder.

This boy didn't have to die. All the "assurances" in the world from rabbonim and the man's parents were not going to stop him from having his way.

It is high-time that we demand, with one voice, something different. It is high-time that EVERY Rav in EVERY community signs on that a child molester is a rapist and a rodef who will NEVER stop and that the police must ALWAYS get involved in order to save lives!

How many victims do you think this man had before he found himself in this situation? How many lives ruined? How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol. How many boys who can't have successful marriages?

I'm angry at this man. I'm angry at the rabbonim who allow these criminals to live in our communities. I'm angry at people who don't call the police.

This boy didn't HAVE to die!!!

Do you really think that this monster had a Rov; or went to Daven? In order for his rabbi to do something he first needs to have a rabbi. It's easy to put the blame on "the rabbis" especially on an anonoymous rabbi that doesn't exist.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:

IDIOTS IDIOTS IDIOTS

When a tragedy of this magnitude strikes the community it is a time when we all have to stop what we are doing and ask ourselves how did this happen to us? Whenever a tragedy befalls Klal Yisroel this must be asked. When it involves the innocent it must be asked even more so. When it is perpetuated by one of our own then the questions must be deep and searching.

Yes we can all run off and "do an extra mitzvah." But what we really need to be doing is looking deep into our own hearts and determine what needs fixing. That's the starting point.

Start now!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #215  
A Says:

What do you think he took Leibby for? To play Monopoly? It's pretty obvious what Levi Aron's intentions were, it helps no one to shut their eyes and pretend.

You're being ridiculous and paranoid. No one has any clue what the guy wanted. Not every madman is a molester, and it is NOT obvious. I investigated this guy's history. There is no record of any accusation against him, beyond having no criminal record. Nothing can be ruled out, but you're grossly irresponsible by ruling things in. No one is pretending. The prevention of such events is a major need that is not regarded properly in our community. In fact, the only one shutting his eyes is you together with the single issue commenters. Bad things happen. There are bad and sick people. Our community has them just like any other. Such tragedies require us to examine ourselves and do what is possible to make our world a better place. There will always be poverty, mental illness, and crime. We need to reduce it considerably. Your paranoia does not help at all.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM Aron1 Says:

Reply to #221  
night-owl-par-excellance Says:

Please tell me why did he take off his shirt? I am so shaken-up by this story. Why did this monster do this?

I won't pretend to know why he took off his shirt.
I believe that Leiby was in the car BEFORE the suspect parked on Dahill (got in at the corner of Dahill & 44th Street ?). Maybe the suspect suggested to Leiby to remove his shirt if he was hot. Perhaps Leiby was self conscious about it, which is why he took it with him when he got out of the car when he walked to the corner with the suspect.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM ChulentPot Says:

Reply to #218  
yosephe Says:

it seems that my guess about him killing him because he was scared was right.

our community really needs to think about how we handle missing children cases, because it might have turned out differently had we done things discreetly.

Yeah but then maybe we never find this monster since many video camera tapes came in since it was a big deal and everyone looked for something. The level of response is what caught this monster

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:42 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

I think what parents need to do to protect their children, what the justice system here in NY can and can't do, and what should be said and not be said are all legitimate conversations but for another time. Today, one of our own families is in terrible grief and still needs to bury their child. We need to focus on them and what can be done for them.

As someone who was in Brooklyn last night and saw the great Kiddush Hashem no one can deny the reat achdus that ensued in the hours after Leiby's abduction. The name calling on this blog about one comment or another is the antithesis of that and suggests that in the face of this tragedy we are not getting the message.

I don't pretend to know what Hashem wants. But we do nothing for the neshama we lost unless we come together being less judgmental and more caring for each other.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM A Says:

Reply to #225  
allmark Says:

VIN should absolutely not allow the name of a specific suspect to be used and, even more, the person's address, especially when the information is not from an official source.

You could destroy the reputation of a completely innocent person and by providing the address, could encourage physical attacks on the person named. .

I listened to the press conference at 11:00AM this morning and Levi Aron's name was specificially given out by Ray Kelly, the Police Commissioner of the NYPD. Official enough for you?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

ברוך דיין האמת

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM Avi Says:

I really think that officials who spoke to the media should have made a statement to the kidnapper pleading and threatening to not harm the child and to just let him go maybe then he would have not panicked to do what he did...

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM Observer Says:

Reply to #153  
Anonymous Says:

Again, stop rushing to judgement as angry as you might be. He must be evaluated to see if he is mentally fit to go on trial, and then he will be given good defense lawyers (if he and his family cannot afford counsel), doctors who will testify on his behalf, and most important, the prosecution will have to demonstrate that hie is guilty (unless he agree to plead guilty). And don't forget from the recent Anthony Florida trial that a jury his hard to predict.

Very easy to predict; he is Jewish is he not; so he will definitely be found guilty. Therefore he will plead guilty and try to get a lighter sentence. He deserves to be found guilty and deserves to rot in jail his whole life; but let's be honest; a Jew cannot get a fair trial in these United States. The reason is because a Jew will not be judged by his peers unless it is an all Jewish jury; but ironically in his case any Jewish jury would find him guilty much faster then a non Jewish jury. It pays to see things honestly.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
chanief Says:

This is a horrible tragedy. My heart is broken for this family and all families of missing / dead children.

To #18, 27 etc. An alternative to "no strangers" is to teach children that if they are lost or need help they should look for a woman with children and approach her for help, or a woman alone if there are none with children around. No strangers EVER can leave a child with no options if they accidentally get lost. It's essential that children have a way to get help if they need it.

Women can be just as dangerous as men... This is not necessarily good advice.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #100  
shredready Says:

The alleged murder's name is Aaron Levy. He is 35 years old and lives at 549 EAST 2ND ST in Brooklyn.

Update 6:45 am CDT – A Brooklyn source close to the situation just told me the arrested man is ultra-Orthodox with a long history of child sexual abuse.


This should be a wake up call to all

no more protecting of child molesters and abusers.

The parents must stand firm and report to police all abuse.
and if he was know and protected that leader must answer to the communty and public change his ways

You are 100 percent right we have suffered enough of sexual abuse its about time to wake up we all feel very sorry for the family, and its the time NOW NOW to see how far pepole can go to get a child into his hands

A sorry feeling VIN fan

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM bpmommy Says:

Reply to #225  
allmark Says:

VIN should absolutely not allow the name of a specific suspect to be used and, even more, the person's address, especially when the information is not from an official source.

You could destroy the reputation of a completely innocent person and by providing the address, could encourage physical attacks on the person named. .

reputation of an innocent man?? are u serious??? he is GUILTY before he is even charged!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

MSNBC & Fox News sites have it in their top news right on the front page. I had to search for it on CNN. How sad.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:49 PM Aron1 Says:

My name is Aron, not Sherlock. I was not "an armchair detective". I was quite involved in reviewing, enhancing, and studying various surveillance videos (the originals, not the doctored and spliced posted videos). I did this because, like everyone else, I was concerned and I had an obligation to use whatever skills I have.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #218  
yosephe Says:

it seems that my guess about him killing him because he was scared was right.

our community really needs to think about how we handle missing children cases, because it might have turned out differently had we done things discreetly.

its easy to say this after what happened. but the child wasnt yours so dont just sit there and make idiotic remarks!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Very very sad can't believe this is happened. May Hashem comfort the family TO DEAL WITH SUCH TZORAS, HY"D.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:54 PM Observer Says:

Reply to #169  
Aron1 Says:

I fear that the posting of the surveillance video at 18th Ave. may have caused the suspect to panic.

That is if he didn't kill him right away; but it seems more likely that he was already dead on Monday.

It's a valid question; did the massive hunt cause him to panic and murder him? I think that not.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #225  
allmark Says:

VIN should absolutely not allow the name of a specific suspect to be used and, even more, the person's address, especially when the information is not from an official source.

You could destroy the reputation of a completely innocent person and by providing the address, could encourage physical attacks on the person named. .

Ummmm... he confessed... exactly whose innocence are you concerned about? Give me a break!

His name, address and role in this heinous murder are public knowledge.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:11 PM Observation Says:

Reply to #205  
Anonymous Says:

CNN seens to be totally ignoring this...

The minute they learn it was a "frum" yid who did it, they won't.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:12 PM Vasserman Says:

Reply to #1  
Ploini Says:

BDE - oy heilige bashefer, send Moshiach already!

What are you doing to hasten it's arrival?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:23 PM ConcernedMember Says:

Eidim? Seriously? Do you think that a crime like this would be committed in front of 2 witnesses? Do you think that this monster would brutally murder a little boy in front of 2 witnesses? Don't you think if there were witnesses they would have tried to stop him? How RIDICULOUS to even say such a thing. Hopefully justice will be served and this monster will be dealt with.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:33 PM Watch what you say Says:

Reply to #208  
PMOinFL Says:

Children who are victims of sexual abuse are 60% more likely to turn to drugs and alcohol than their peers. In our community it is worse because those same kids give up on Torah too.

A fleeting sexual encounter with a child even once can leave a child unable to EVER live a normal life. Don't ever forget that.

It will only ruin the child if his therapist and other so-called well-meaning individuals tell him that his life is ruined. Hundreds of thousands of people survived the atrocities of the Holocaust and went on to lead normal lives. It does victims of sexual molestation a tremendous disservice to even imply that they can't lead normal lives. With the right guidance and siyata dishmaya, they can!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:42 PM 5TResident Says:

There are just no words. As frum Jews, we MUST believe that Hashem Yisborach allowed this terrible tragedy for a good and valid reason that our tiny minds cannot comprehend. But any parents of small children, like me, are completely heartbroken. No, not heartbroken - HEARTSHATTERED.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:45 PM es101 Says:

Maimonides laws of murderers and the saving of life , chapter 1 laws 6, 10, 11 and 15, 16. " Anyone who is pursuing someone to murder them , every Jew is commanded to save the victim , even to the extent of murdering the pursuer...not just in the case of a killer but anyone pursuing someone to commit a sexual crime (ar'ri'ose)..you should kill the pursuer...if you see a murderer or sexual criminal and do not act..it is as if you have destroyed the world.." The Rambam understood (Torah's law) that sexual crimes are equivalent to and can end in murder. For too long the Jewish communities have been egregiously negligent in dealing with this cancer. We must stop the soft approach to sexual criminals of every stripe. Every one is especially responsible to be on the lookout for those who see children as easy victims. There can be no mercy on them. They will kiill if they are cornered. We cannot rely solely on the authorities for dscovery. If you suspect someone or something, investigate. Report it. Do something. It's not some petty crime , its murder - as todays gut wrenching and terribly horrible events demonstrate. Sending them to a new town or expelling them from a school is aiding

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:45 PM es101 Says:

and abetting their deviance. They must be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law on the first known infraction. And perhaps its also time to consider ways to implement the Rambam's law in its fullest.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 01:49 PM springvalley Says:

Who's bill the he pay at the dentist office

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 02:01 PM tragic Says:

Baruch Dayan Emes! This is an astounding tragedy. Am Yisrael must stick together instead of bickering back & forth. Does anyone know the funeral details? May his parents & family have Nechama & may Hashem ease their horrific pain!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 02:16 PM republic Says:

Reply to #169  
Aron1 Says:

I fear that the posting of the surveillance video at 18th Ave. may have caused the suspect to panic.

Panic or not-how dare the creep have the AUDACITY to trick a boy into going with him-understanding the minds of a bastard like this is unimaginable. BD'E Behind bars is not enough for some-this is a shell of where there might have once been a human. OUT of life is what the butcher deserves.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Tayera Kinder Says:

"BDE" MY HEART @ TEARS GO OUT TO THE CHASHUVER AND SWEET FAMILY AND KLAL YISROEL MAY HASHEM CONSOLE YOU AND MAY YOU KNOW ONLY SIMCHOS AND NO SORROW FOREVER!
LEIBY'S PURE NESHAMA WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US @ SUCH A YOUNG AGE, HIS SMILE AND HIS HEILIGKEIT COULD BE FELT BY THOSE WHO KNEW HIM AND ALL OTHERS, HE IS IN HASHEMS EMBRACE NOW, MAY HE BE A MEILITZ YOSHER FOR HIS PARENTS SIBLINGS AND ALL OF HIS FAMILY KLAL YISROEL, LET US ALL BE MEKABEL AN EXTRA TAKANA FOR THE ZECHUS OF LEIBY
& MAY HASHEM HAVE RACHMONES ON HIS TAYERA KINDERLACH AND SEND A QUICK YESHUA AND MOSHIACH NOW I WAS JUST ONE OF THE MANY VOLUNTEERS WHO CAME TOGETHER TO HELP FIND A MISSING BROTHER WHAT A HUGE !!!!! KIDDUSH HASHEM, THE ACHDUS AND LOVE WE SHOWED FOR KLAL YISROEL & HASHEM, THERE WERE LITVAKS AND CHASSIDIM ASHKENAZ AND SEFARDIM MODERN & YESHIVISH FRUM & NON FRUM IT WAS TRULY A NACHAS & I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF THIS HOLY FAMILY A SPECIAL YASHER KOACH & THANKS TO THE NYPD & CAPTAIN FOX AND ALL OTHER NYD OFFICERS FOR THIER TIRELESS HELP ALSO TO HATZALAH AND SHOMRIM & ALL OTHERS WHO PITCHED IN, A SPECIAL THANKS TO BRIAN BRIAR & ALL THOSE WHO HELPED HIM,HAMOKOM YENACHEM ESCHEM BSOCH SHAR AVEILAY TZION VYERUSHALAYIM

Your beautiful comment stands out in the sea of craziness that I read here. For once, sadly in this circumstance, we were united as a community. Would that it could continue....unfortunately I know better.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 03:01 PM user989898 Says:

Suggestion: Not to say that this detail is what played out in this case, but perhaps we should not have our childrens names embroided on their yarmulkas or written on their backpacks. A stranger can call a child by his name making the child believe that he is a friend or someone that knows him. We now see unfortunately that this can apply to names written in hebrew as well.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Everyone helped Holocaust victims?! I don't know what you are referring to. And whether accurate or not it supports my point. Holocaust victims witnessed and personally experienced multiple atrocities. The point is that going through something horrific is not a sentence to an abnormal life.
We are in agreement that all sorts of people, well-meaning and not, ruin a child after they are molested, and their ruined lives have more to do with the reactions of the people around them and their own perspective on how to proceed in life, than the act of molestation (as horrible as that is).

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 03:33 PM Observation Says:

There are success stories too, as documented in the many comments the last few years on VIN. We cannot make a blanket statement. Some have said here that they healed completely.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 04:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #260  
Anonymous Says:

Your beautiful comment stands out in the sea of craziness that I read here. For once, sadly in this circumstance, we were united as a community. Would that it could continue....unfortunately I know better.

Why does it take such a tragedy to unite people and realize that we are all Jews? Yesterday, Satmar searched with Lubavitch, Belzer searched with Reform, Chassidishe searched with Conservative, etc. Nobody cared where anyone davened. They were working together with a common goal. By tonight things will be back to "normal" with one group bashing another. If anything came out of this sensless incident, it was the beauty of unity amongst Jews. It should B'H' always be this way.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 04:15 PM ALLAN Says:

Reply to #261  
user989898 Says:

Suggestion: Not to say that this detail is what played out in this case, but perhaps we should not have our childrens names embroided on their yarmulkas or written on their backpacks. A stranger can call a child by his name making the child believe that he is a friend or someone that knows him. We now see unfortunately that this can apply to names written in hebrew as well.

Your comments make a lot of sense. I am going to contact my daughter and not take no as an option for not having my grandchildrens names removed from anything easily visible. What a sick world.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 04:37 PM try_my_best Says:

Lets Show Leiby The proper Kavod!!!
Everyone MUST be by Levaya!!
Lets get over 100,000 peolpe there!
make it your "status" on your BB
After such a Bizayoin Hames - We will show Leiby and the family that they are NOT alone!!

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 04:45 PM chiefchacham Says:

There is a mitzvoh in the torah ובערת הרע מקרביך. This means -that there are רשעים out there and you have a מצוה of ביעור like חמץ on ערב פסח. Don't ask השם for help. Hashem wants us to do something. I am not sure what we can do besides supporting the prosecution and ensuring that this רוצח is removed from society. If we support more close-circuit-tvs and have a zero tolerance policy for the בעלי עבירה then we can say to hashem ידינו לא שפחו את הדם הזה.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 05:26 PM Levaye Says:

Reply to #266  
try_my_best Says:

Lets Show Leiby The proper Kavod!!!
Everyone MUST be by Levaya!!
Lets get over 100,000 peolpe there!
make it your "status" on your BB
After such a Bizayoin Hames - We will show Leiby and the family that they are NOT alone!!

Speaking about that, any info regarding the possibility of when/where the Levaya will take place?

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #144  
PMOinFL Says:

Apparently it is now leaking out that the accused has had issues with sexually abusing children in the past. If this is true, and there are rabbonim who have been covering it up while assuring everyone that the situation was "handled", I would like to see those rabbonim locked in same cell with him for the entirety of their lives. They are equally to blame for this murder.

This boy didn't have to die. All the "assurances" in the world from rabbonim and the man's parents were not going to stop him from having his way.

It is high-time that we demand, with one voice, something different. It is high-time that EVERY Rav in EVERY community signs on that a child molester is a rapist and a rodef who will NEVER stop and that the police must ALWAYS get involved in order to save lives!

How many victims do you think this man had before he found himself in this situation? How many lives ruined? How many boys pushed off the derech into drugs and alcohol. How many boys who can't have successful marriages?

I'm angry at this man. I'm angry at the rabbonim who allow these criminals to live in our communities. I'm angry at people who don't call the police.

This boy didn't HAVE to die!!!

You're doing this again. There has been absolutely no evidence that there was a sexual abuse issue here. I could not rule it out, but there was nothing uncovered in this regard. There is also zero history of any such accusations. Your lengthy comment about this speculation just lends undue credence to the rumor. That is unfair. All that arises is another slew of accusations that attack our rabbonim and gedolim. They have come a long way. Recent events indicate the new system works well, though there is not enough experience to stop being vigilant. It is a diversion from the stated mission of "protecting children", and it is about complaining and throwing schmutz.

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 Jul 13, 2011 at 08:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Does any one know,How long was he alive in this sick mans house before he was strangled? Was he tortured lo alinu? Why did he go into the guys house in the first palce even if he was offer a ride home once the guy went to his house instead how did he force him to enter his house ? Did he take a knife with him in the car already? Why did he own three butcher knifes was this all prearranged was he looking for easy prey?Did he do lo alinu what everyone is saying because Ray kelly refused to say if he molested Liebby?

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 Jul 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM Velvel Says:

Reply to #190  
Shomrim Says:

1. Even if kids have an emergency cell phone with only a couple of numbers to call, if an adult gains their trust, they might not use it.
2. Children need to understand what it is that bad people might do, and how to react to it.
3. They also need to feel safe enough with their parents to tell them if they have done something they think is "wrong".
4. Pay attention to your children, do not punish them if they tell you they did something that they were not supposed to. This way, when it matters, you can count on hearing the truth from them.

A cell phone can be tracked even if its not used. Go back to Hatzolah school.

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