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Loch Sheldrake, NY - 3.1-Mile Race Draws 50 Orthodox Jewish Women

Published on: July 28, 2011 08:01 AM
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Loch Sheldrake, NY - Running transforms Laykie Donin, clearing the Houston resident’s head and reducing the stress of raising four children and holding a full-time job.

“When I’m physically fit, I’m mentally fit,” said Donin. “When I come home (from exercising), I’m a much better mom.”

Running became a common ground for Donin and more than 50 other Orthodox Jewish women who gathered at SUNY Sullivan for a first-of-its-kind 5 kilometer walk and run.

The race was open to all women, but most who registered for the 3.1-mile race were black-skirted women and girls vacationing at Sullivan County’s bungalow colonies.

“It’s just the start of something so much more,” said Stephen Friedman, JRunner’s co-founder and president of Brooklyn-based JRunners, which sponsored the event.

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The 15-month-old JRunners, which held a 140-mile relay race from Brooklyn to Loch Sheldrake last August, expects to lose money. But Friedman considers Wednesday’s race the building block for an even-larger all-women’s run next summer.

It came about through the persistence of Miriam Wielgus, who ran in two JRunner-sponsored 5K races in Brooklyn’s Prospect Park.

Manhattan resident Judith Sambol ran the race with her mother-in-law, Robin Bodek Rosenbaum, and won with a time of 23:02.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Kok hakovod to these women for setting such an outstanding example for the heimeshe community. All of them are "winners" no matter how slow or fast they run. They are role models for other women that exercise and tzinius and other halaachic concerns are not mutually exclusive. I'm sure some ran in long skirts and sleeves and others in more usual running attire but thats the point. Everyone can dress in whatever lvush they are comfortable but the single most important issue is to get out and exercise. All of our mosdos should encourage girls and women to exercise.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:24 AM Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:31 AM KVETCH Says:

far cry from "kol kvuda bas melech pnima"

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:33 AM Too Funny Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

Thanks for the good laugh!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:40 AM JoshB Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

Don't look! Don't be so busy looking over yenem's wife to "make sure she is Tzniusdik"

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

If you are on the internet you are violating das torah ! before you comment on others work on yourself. You also sound like a chosid of Rabbi Levin

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

You are either a fool or a seriously troubled yid. First of all, most gyms are not designed for "running around". More importantly, each of these women was dressed in a manner she concluded was tziniusdik. Who are you to be the posek on Tzinius. If you cannot control yourself if a woman runs by in long skirt, sweatpants or even normal running attire, its you who needs help, not the baas melech who is setting an example for other women by exercising.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 08:59 AM kollelfaker Says:

those that constantly cementing on the way our women dress are spending an offal lot of time staring at other peoples wives. is there something wrong with them or do they have to much time on their hands. perhaps you should spend more time at home

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:00 AM Anonymous Says:

The first race this organization had for women was in prospect park ( where there are lot more people watching then Loch Sheldrake) where the women raised money for an organization supported by all the rosh yeshivos and gedolim. i would assume all the tzinus police allowed it then becuase they made money but if they aren't making money then it's not kosher. " VHAKESEF YAANEH ES HAKOL"

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:08 AM Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:25 AM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

This is a fantastic development. It is great to see frum people, both men and women take fitness and health seriously. Running is one of the best forms of cardio training and you can see results in as little as two weeks.

I run around the lakewood lake daily and I see more and more frum women both power walking and running.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:

What kind of name is Laykie? If its for Layah it's too far removed.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:30 AM Chaim_Ben-Yehuda Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

!רק זה חסר לנו: משטרת צניעות - כמו בערב הסעודית ממש

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Wife running (away) ? Where do I sign up?

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
kollelfaker Says:

those that constantly cementing on the way our women dress are spending an offal lot of time staring at other peoples wives. is there something wrong with them or do they have to much time on their hands. perhaps you should spend more time at home

or maybe he should get a job!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:47 AM oiber-chacham Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

it has been proven again and again,that most of these idiots who have this sick and pathological obsession with tznius and what the women are wearing,they themselves are the biggest perverts and low lifes.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:52 AM Who are you? Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

Who are you to poskin who is a real rov? Ahh fashteish, you would ask a Leib Tropper over a modern orthodox rov. Now I understand.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
oiber-chacham Says:

it has been proven again and again,that most of these idiots who have this sick and pathological obsession with tznius and what the women are wearing,they themselves are the biggest perverts and low lifes.

I would be very worried about a person who has to post so vehemently about tznius when he reads a small article about a bunch of women running a race!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

What kind of name is Laykie? If its for Layah it's too far removed.

Its a better name than "Anonymous" for a bas melech

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

I am sure you are a very big Tzaddik. I am also certain that you keep all of the difficult Mitzvahs. A person of your caliber probably learns all day and never looks at woman. I am also certain that you never go on the Internet but probably use a friends computer for the news. Am I right so far? You must be a Dayan as you are an expert in Tzinus. The rest of us are not on your level, so please "excuse" us all especially the women who run.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:06 AM Anonymous Says:

RUN after your own children, RUN and clean your own home, RUN and do a project or fund raising for a worthy tzedakah and you will be running SOMEWHERE!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:07 AM jacob Says:

Reply to #16  
oiber-chacham Says:

it has been proven again and again,that most of these idiots who have this sick and pathological obsession with tznius and what the women are wearing,they themselves are the biggest perverts and low lifes.

it could be its true what your saying, but it still doesn't give a "heter" for the ladies to do what they are doing.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:09 AM Secular Says:

The talmud says: One should always run for a 'dvar mitzva'

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

There is a regular cadre of posters who blame every tragedy on failure of jewish women to observe the laws of tzinius, taharas hasmishpacha or licht benchen (or some combination of the three). At some point, they (and the rabbonim they cite as support for their "sky-is-falling" rants) will tire of spreading such lashon haroh and blaming every bas yisroel for the ills of the world. A jewish woman who gets out and exercises publicly (wearing reasonably conservative attire) will have a much greater zchus than one who sits at home and fails to take cary of physical self.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:19 AM against it Says:

Number 2 is absolutely right, the rest of you are so chrum!!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
jacob Says:

it could be its true what your saying, but it still doesn't give a "heter" for the ladies to do what they are doing.

They don't need a heter they were encouraged by leading rosh yeshivahs to run for our place weeks ago- so not only don't they need a heter they have haskomos- you on the other hand have no heter to be on the internet!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:30 AM SaraBasSara Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

I guess I missed the part in the article where it said this event was 'in public' I did see the part where it was held at SUNY, and I do know that many colleges have indoor tracks, so that athletes can train in inclimate weather. I think I'll go with being dan l'kaf zechus here, bub.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:34 AM SaraBasSara Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

And another thing, ya might be able to see more clearly without those blinders on... Very many 'modern orthodox' are quite frum, and very many chassidishe mentschen are, well, perhaps not quite busy enought tidying up their own daled amos to realize that...

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:34 AM oiber-chacham Says:

it is high time that the women start pushing back,and stop taking all this abuse from these criminaly insane tznius obssesed women hating crazies,who blame all the ills and tragedies of klall yisroel on the women for their lack of tznius.
They should SHOUT BACK,no,no,no,it is not we, who are responsible,but it is you the low life men,they are the REBBES all over the world who have been fighting with their brothers for the last 10 years in secular courts,and causing a CHILLUL HASHEM from one end of the globe to the other end.It is the abusers of children in the schools and yeshivas,it is the MISHMERES HATZNIUS here in n.y and Jerusalem,where their own memmbers have been caught and jailed by the police for all kinds of perversions.it is the hundreds of frum jews sitting in jails all over the world,for all kinds of frauds and white collar crimes.it is THEY who are responsible for all the TZOROS in klall yisroel,and it's not the women with the see through stockings or tight dresses.
CH.S

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM Babishka Says:

I used to run, around 10 years ago. I fell during a run and broke my ankle, which healed poorly and developed into advanced arthritis so that today it is difficult to even walk, much less run. Swimming is a much better exercise, less stress on the joints.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:39 AM sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:58 AM AshMan Says:

Go Houston!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:59 AM chuchem Says:

Reply to #29  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is high time that the women start pushing back,and stop taking all this abuse from these criminaly insane tznius obssesed women hating crazies,who blame all the ills and tragedies of klall yisroel on the women for their lack of tznius.
They should SHOUT BACK,no,no,no,it is not we, who are responsible,but it is you the low life men,they are the REBBES all over the world who have been fighting with their brothers for the last 10 years in secular courts,and causing a CHILLUL HASHEM from one end of the globe to the other end.It is the abusers of children in the schools and yeshivas,it is the MISHMERES HATZNIUS here in n.y and Jerusalem,where their own memmbers have been caught and jailed by the police for all kinds of perversions.it is the hundreds of frum jews sitting in jails all over the world,for all kinds of frauds and white collar crimes.it is THEY who are responsible for all the TZOROS in klall yisroel,and it's not the women with the see through stockings or tight dresses.
CH.S

its "both" of them, don't try to make these women big "tsedakesin" .. they are WRONG.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:04 AM Secular Says:

The talmud says: One should always run for a 'dvar mitzva'

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

sure One can go to Allentown to ask a real frum rov

one won't find modern Orthodox rov there that is a ultra frum club

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
JoshB Says:

Don't look! Don't be so busy looking over yenem's wife to "make sure she is Tzniusdik"

Josh, Aren't you sorry you werent there to watch them?

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:07 AM Secular Says:

Reply to #29  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is high time that the women start pushing back,and stop taking all this abuse from these criminaly insane tznius obssesed women hating crazies,who blame all the ills and tragedies of klall yisroel on the women for their lack of tznius.
They should SHOUT BACK,no,no,no,it is not we, who are responsible,but it is you the low life men,they are the REBBES all over the world who have been fighting with their brothers for the last 10 years in secular courts,and causing a CHILLUL HASHEM from one end of the globe to the other end.It is the abusers of children in the schools and yeshivas,it is the MISHMERES HATZNIUS here in n.y and Jerusalem,where their own memmbers have been caught and jailed by the police for all kinds of perversions.it is the hundreds of frum jews sitting in jails all over the world,for all kinds of frauds and white collar crimes.it is THEY who are responsible for all the TZOROS in klall yisroel,and it's not the women with the see through stockings or tight dresses.
CH.S

Well said!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:07 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #30  
Babishka Says:

I used to run, around 10 years ago. I fell during a run and broke my ankle, which healed poorly and developed into advanced arthritis so that today it is difficult to even walk, much less run. Swimming is a much better exercise, less stress on the joints.

see what happens when you run

this proves number #2 and other true frum people are corrects

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:11 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #31  
sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

yep, fat and thick has been proven to reduce the chances of heart attack, diabetes and many other ailments.



You are correct, since science and studies are just schtush

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

Be honest -unfortunately it's the men who look at the magazines. The women just want to relax and exercise!
By the way in the alter heim the women didn't have the added pressure of having to work to help pay the obscene tuitions!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:12 AM shredready Says:

Reply to #31  
sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

and what was the expected live span to the yiddishe mammas in the alter heim

why do you think yiddishe mammas live longer now? because more men are in kollell

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM jj Says:

what is this bashing #2, he's 100 % right, the reason he's on the net is because its private & this is a yidish site, but these ladies, do something wrong in public, & its not that were bizi looking at ladies, they are runing in to us, no matter how you wanna slice it, or what logical reason why its important to run etc.,, there is just 1 thing that's stands in your way, THE TORAH!!!! the torah says "NO". we as yidden have no demacrocy, free speech, etc. we have a TORAH & we are very proud with that, & as a yidishe women you have certain obligations, & these kind of "pritses" bring all "tsures" to klal yisroel, so I take this oppurtunity to be "moche" on this "chilul shamayim", & be mispalel ther should no "charon af" on klal yisroel" umen.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Tznius Says:

Excuse me, but this is NOT tznius! What's so tzinusdig about this race if Orthodox women are drawing attention by running? They can run around the gym anytime. No matter how they dress while running, this is NOT tzniusdig at all!!!!!!

How are they drawing attention to themselves exactly? By running amongst many runners? Is it the fact that they wear skirts while they run???

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
shredready Says:

see what happens when you run

this proves number #2 and other true frum people are corrects

and i know people that were in an accident on the way to shul according you your reasoning this proves people should not daven with a minyan!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

Oh - then I guess women should never run after their kids either. Women shouldn't have a life is pretty much what you would institute. I also resent your implication that someone who is a daas torah, who received semicha from a respected organization can not possibly have their psak on the matter taken seriously if they are a bit more to the left. That is disrespectful to many extremely learned respectable rabbeim.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 01:11 PM Chaim_Ben-Yehuda Says:

Reply to #8  
kollelfaker Says:

those that constantly cementing on the way our women dress are spending an offal lot of time staring at other peoples wives. is there something wrong with them or do they have to much time on their hands. perhaps you should spend more time at home

"those that constantly cementing on the way our women dress are spending an offal lot of time staring at other peoples wives."

Not only do they spend time staring at other people's wives, they also stare at their livers, their spleen, and their kishkas.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
jj Says:

what is this bashing #2, he's 100 % right, the reason he's on the net is because its private & this is a yidish site, but these ladies, do something wrong in public, & its not that were bizi looking at ladies, they are runing in to us, no matter how you wanna slice it, or what logical reason why its important to run etc.,, there is just 1 thing that's stands in your way, THE TORAH!!!! the torah says "NO". we as yidden have no demacrocy, free speech, etc. we have a TORAH & we are very proud with that, & as a yidishe women you have certain obligations, & these kind of "pritses" bring all "tsures" to klal yisroel, so I take this oppurtunity to be "moche" on this "chilul shamayim", & be mispalel ther should no "charon af" on klal yisroel" umen.

"these kind of "pritses" bring all "tsures" to klal yisroel...

The only pritzus I can see here is your hateful comments about jewish women and your distorted notion of daas torah. You say you don't care about why these women run or the fact this group has support from many chashuve rabbonim. Please go back into your cave and the rest of us will live a normal life. Your pride in living a torah life is unfortunately NOT legitimate because your words are totally contrary to daas torah.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:56 AM Frummy Says:

I am a frum tsniudik woman, who exercises in a private gym. I would never run for exercise where someone could look at me and perhaps get improper ideas because of it.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 11:57 AM Mike Says:

PUH-LEEZ. Running is not against the holy Torah. If anything, it's a kiddush Hashem that Yiddishe women are doing the right thing and exercising. Remember, we're supposed to be a light unto the nations.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 12:18 PM word Says:

Reply to #29  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is high time that the women start pushing back,and stop taking all this abuse from these criminaly insane tznius obssesed women hating crazies,who blame all the ills and tragedies of klall yisroel on the women for their lack of tznius.
They should SHOUT BACK,no,no,no,it is not we, who are responsible,but it is you the low life men,they are the REBBES all over the world who have been fighting with their brothers for the last 10 years in secular courts,and causing a CHILLUL HASHEM from one end of the globe to the other end.It is the abusers of children in the schools and yeshivas,it is the MISHMERES HATZNIUS here in n.y and Jerusalem,where their own memmbers have been caught and jailed by the police for all kinds of perversions.it is the hundreds of frum jews sitting in jails all over the world,for all kinds of frauds and white collar crimes.it is THEY who are responsible for all the TZOROS in klall yisroel,and it's not the women with the see through stockings or tight dresses.
CH.S

Two wrong don't make 1 right!!!!!! yups a women is not meant to expose herself regardless of her way of dress, anything that pulls attention to oneself, including running in public, with a big crowd, I wouldn't consider tzniusdig, and btw what makes every1 think that commentor #2 is a man, maybe its a women like myself?????

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

Be honest -unfortunately it's the men who look at the magazines. The women just want to relax and exercise!
By the way in the alter heim the women didn't have the added pressure of having to work to help pay the obscene tuitions!

Right, they had it real easy back then. They did not have to deal with ordering take-out, having to unload deliveries from the supermarket, programming the microwave, pressing buttons on a dishwasher, the expense of a washer/dryer, paying the lease on a new car, .paying all that money for a sub-zero and granite countertops -sure they had it much easier back then!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Frummy Says:

I am a frum tsniudik woman, who exercises in a private gym. I would never run for exercise where someone could look at me and perhaps get improper ideas because of it.

That is your choice and you should continue your "chumradik" ways, but guess what? I am ALSO a frum, tzniusdik woman and I choose to run outside in tznius attire where there is fresh air. I like to look at the lake and trees and flowers as I run and say "mah rabu..." and realize what a blessing this world is that G-d has given me. And I say thank you to G-d for giving me the health and working legs to enjoy it in a most fruitful way. Whoever sees me pass by in the few seconds they possibly could before I am out of their sight and has improper thoughts because of it has their own issues to contend with.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

Right, they had it real easy back then. They did not have to deal with ordering take-out, having to unload deliveries from the supermarket, programming the microwave, pressing buttons on a dishwasher, the expense of a washer/dryer, paying the lease on a new car, .paying all that money for a sub-zero and granite countertops -sure they had it much easier back then!

they didn't have to support their husbands and son in laws in kollel!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 01:41 PM jj Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

That is your choice and you should continue your "chumradik" ways, but guess what? I am ALSO a frum, tzniusdik woman and I choose to run outside in tznius attire where there is fresh air. I like to look at the lake and trees and flowers as I run and say "mah rabu..." and realize what a blessing this world is that G-d has given me. And I say thank you to G-d for giving me the health and working legs to enjoy it in a most fruitful way. Whoever sees me pass by in the few seconds they possibly could before I am out of their sight and has improper thoughts because of it has their own issues to contend with.

now its a MITZVAH already to go runing out in public? well its a "mitzvah haboh baveirah" & g-d wants you to say all this & thank him from the comfort of you own home, & don't try to fool him, he can't be fooled, & the bottom line is if you come across sriking to a strange man, could he needs help as you said, but your gonna give "Din V'cheshbon" why brought upon him this "nesoyin". so be carefull out there, & don't try to smarter then the TORAH.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 03:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
jj Says:

now its a MITZVAH already to go runing out in public? well its a "mitzvah haboh baveirah" & g-d wants you to say all this & thank him from the comfort of you own home, & don't try to fool him, he can't be fooled, & the bottom line is if you come across sriking to a strange man, could he needs help as you said, but your gonna give "Din V'cheshbon" why brought upon him this "nesoyin". so be carefull out there, & don't try to smarter then the TORAH.

they went to a private colleg to run and it's their fault that it's a nisayon. I heard a man was caught peeking in through teh mechitza by the pool this summer should we say women can never swim cause someone might peek in? give me a break.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

#29 is 100% right, for every smallest tragedy it happens in klal yisroel, the womans who are to get blamed. Its very esey to say that we are great whatever we do, only the woman and the tziyonem are the faults

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 04:05 PM luvpancake Says:

Reply to #29  
oiber-chacham Says:

it is high time that the women start pushing back,and stop taking all this abuse from these criminaly insane tznius obssesed women hating crazies,who blame all the ills and tragedies of klall yisroel on the women for their lack of tznius.
They should SHOUT BACK,no,no,no,it is not we, who are responsible,but it is you the low life men,they are the REBBES all over the world who have been fighting with their brothers for the last 10 years in secular courts,and causing a CHILLUL HASHEM from one end of the globe to the other end.It is the abusers of children in the schools and yeshivas,it is the MISHMERES HATZNIUS here in n.y and Jerusalem,where their own memmbers have been caught and jailed by the police for all kinds of perversions.it is the hundreds of frum jews sitting in jails all over the world,for all kinds of frauds and white collar crimes.it is THEY who are responsible for all the TZOROS in klall yisroel,and it's not the women with the see through stockings or tight dresses.
CH.S

lets quit blaming each other in this gulos we are all equal

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 04:34 PM luvpancake Says:

as i read these comments i have tears my eyes as ppl just plain dont chap that we yiddishe kinder r diff from the omoin am we dont have to follow in there path, rather in the path of our fathers lets not forget that the macabeas in the times of onteeyoichus ym"sh were fighting for this purpose exactly thats when the gyms and all kind of olympics started, lets not be like the misyavnim but rather like the macabeas who had the real nitzachon until the very end!! may we be zoche to hear the shofar shel moshiach bb"a!!!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Babishka Says:

I used to run, around 10 years ago. I fell during a run and broke my ankle, which healed poorly and developed into advanced arthritis so that today it is difficult to even walk, much less run. Swimming is a much better exercise, less stress on the joints.

Babishka, come to my yoga class, go for physical therapy, keep it moving and you will be able to run again!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 04:53 PM Matzoslocal101 Says:

Reply to #16  
oiber-chacham Says:

it has been proven again and again,that most of these idiots who have this sick and pathological obsession with tznius and what the women are wearing,they themselves are the biggest perverts and low lifes.

Please direct me to one the controled double blind research studies that have reached this conclusion. By the same token I can also state it has been shown time and time again that modern orthodox Jews that think tznius is a sleeve length have no clue what tznius is. case in point: People who think a woman basketball player that walks to play in televised Shabbos games and plays in front of thousands of people with shorts and and a shortsleeved Tee shirt is a tzniusdika role model. Please direct me an epitaph from the last 1000 years from an isha kasheira that's says she was a "loveshes tznua". There is no such inscription. Either the isha was a Tznua or she wasn't. Clothing is only a small fraction of that. For Those singles that continually describe themselves as "Tzniusdik but stylish", you, like most of the posters here, have no clue as to the meaning of the word.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 04:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
luvpancake Says:

as i read these comments i have tears my eyes as ppl just plain dont chap that we yiddishe kinder r diff from the omoin am we dont have to follow in there path, rather in the path of our fathers lets not forget that the macabeas in the times of onteeyoichus ym"sh were fighting for this purpose exactly thats when the gyms and all kind of olympics started, lets not be like the misyavnim but rather like the macabeas who had the real nitzachon until the very end!! may we be zoche to hear the shofar shel moshiach bb"a!!!

stop crying and start exercising that's what the ribono shel olom wants!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 05:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
luvpancake Says:

as i read these comments i have tears my eyes as ppl just plain dont chap that we yiddishe kinder r diff from the omoin am we dont have to follow in there path, rather in the path of our fathers lets not forget that the macabeas in the times of onteeyoichus ym"sh were fighting for this purpose exactly thats when the gyms and all kind of olympics started, lets not be like the misyavnim but rather like the macabeas who had the real nitzachon until the very end!! may we be zoche to hear the shofar shel moshiach bb"a!!!

As far as I know, since I last looked, the "yiddishe" kinder and "omoin am" all come in the same form. We all have beating hearts and working brains that need to be kept healthy. I am pretty sure that the Macabbees were not sitting on their tuchus eating cholent. They had to keep physically fit and run fields in order to win a war. You chose a poor example, or an example that actually disproves what you are trying to say.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 06:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

Right, and they died by age 50 of coronary disease and diabetes.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Not Tsniusdik Says:

Even if a woman is all covered up in tsniusdik clothing, I don't think running in public is considered tsniusdik. Go ask your rov (not a modern orthodox one, a real frum one)

What do you do - keep asking rabbis until you get the answer you want? Ask 10 different ravs the same question and you could get 10 different answers. This is not multiple choice - its life. And - excercising can save lives. These women are to be admired, not disparaged.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 06:26 PM esther Says:

Reply to #49  
Mike Says:

PUH-LEEZ. Running is not against the holy Torah. If anything, it's a kiddush Hashem that Yiddishe women are doing the right thing and exercising. Remember, we're supposed to be a light unto the nations.

listen,tzneeus is somehting that takes alot of fine tuning,in other words you get a feeling when something is just not right,that it pahst nist for a bas melech.for me,running in public,is one of those things.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 06:31 PM esther Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

#29 is 100% right, for every smallest tragedy it happens in klal yisroel, the womans who are to get blamed. Its very esey to say that we are great whatever we do, only the woman and the tziyonem are the faults

so instead of blaming let's say how a jewish women is so special and so heilik that hashem has given her a special koiach to accomplish tremendous things for klal yisroel precisely when she is stead fast in her mitzvas.

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 07:26 PM whererurbrains Says:

Reply to #5  
JoshB Says:

Don't look! Don't be so busy looking over yenem's wife to "make sure she is Tzniusdik"

I am not getting into actual discussion if women should run or not but i always like to see these comments "don't look".

This don;t look thing is very good when you do whatever you want to do in a confined space and not in a public space. Especially when things are done in such a way to attract attention!!

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 Jul 28, 2011 at 09:42 PM ShmuelG Says:

Reply to #31  
sane Says:

In the alter heim the yiddishe mammas did not need to run. The present craze of woman not eating and exercising to extremes, trying to be as thin as possible, has more to do with copying Holywood than being healthy. The women look at all these silly magazines with the movie stars and feel they have to look like them. That is all. The health issue is just a ruse.

But some of the blame is with us. Part of the motivation for our women to look like the ones in the magazines is that we expect them to. We expect it from our wives and form the shidduchim that are ret to us. And that takes exercise for most women, especially the ones who already have children.

When the time comes that a fat girl has as good a chance of finding a zivug as a slim one, I may agree with you that women engage in "craze". But until then, let's not blame them for trying to do what it takes to maximize their chances at good future or staying in a happy marriage. Let's also share the blame for our expectations.

Then again, women who exercise do tend to be healthier, not just better shaped, that the ones who don't. Of course, the way these particular women go about it is utterly deplorable. But there is nothing wrong with exercising at home or at a segregated facility.

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 Jul 29, 2011 at 12:08 AM luvpancake Says:

Reply to #62  
Anonymous Says:

As far as I know, since I last looked, the "yiddishe" kinder and "omoin am" all come in the same form. We all have beating hearts and working brains that need to be kept healthy. I am pretty sure that the Macabbees were not sitting on their tuchus eating cholent. They had to keep physically fit and run fields in order to win a war. You chose a poor example, or an example that actually disproves what you are trying to say.

If you think it was their physical strenght that they won the war, well that might percisely be your problem in avodas hashem it was with hashems power that they won fyi

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 Jul 29, 2011 at 04:40 PM monseylifer Says:

I walk daily from April to November, around the neighborhood(weather and schedule permitting) I wear a regular shirt, denim skirt and snood, and as long as my husband feels its tzniusdik, it is. As long as your elbows and knees are covered, and your husband is OK with it, it's fine. I'm not giving a psak here, but I believe that to call this 'untzniusdik' is why so many frum women are fat, have trouble fighting off diabeltes, heart disease, etc, because every exercise is considered 'untzniusdik". Rest assured that all the husbands here did not think so, and I myself, had I been in the mountains, would have participated in this activity, with my husband's full support!. Yosher Koach to these women for keeping healthy, and to their husbands, for supporting that they take care of themselves!

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