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Kauneonga Lake, NY - Judge Bans Sabbath Sewer Talk

Published on: September 1, 2011 08:15 PM
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Kauneonga Lake, NY - The battle between some residents in the Kauneonga Lake Sewer District and the organization Kollel Avreichim took a new turn at the Bethel Town Board meeting. The meeting took place on a Saturday, which meant that members of Kollel would not be able to attend or speak into the microphone because they are members of the Hasidic community, and Saturday is their Sabbath.

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Barry Kula, one of the residents who has been opposed to the expansion, had proposed giving a letter to the town board, along with a petition signed by 200 town residents, opposed to the expansion of the sewer district, which Kollel is seeking.

Kollel took the matter to court, and Sullivan County Supreme Court Judge James Gilpatric issued an order prohibiting the town board from discussing the matter in any way, which also meant that they could not vote to accept and file Kula’s letter, as they do with all correspondence to the town.

Now the board has three options: it can withdraw its approval of the expansion; it can put the matter to public referendum; or it can let the approval for the expansion stand.


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 Sep 01, 2011 at 10:34 PM kollelfaker Says:

if i lived there i would be on the residents side we town is going to pay millions top get sewer and water to a tax free institution that contributes nothing to the community
real estate taxes will rise to pay for this and additional costs to operate yearly

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 Sep 01, 2011 at 11:19 PM satmer Says:

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kollelfaker Says:

if i lived there i would be on the residents side we town is going to pay millions top get sewer and water to a tax free institution that contributes nothing to the community
real estate taxes will rise to pay for this and additional costs to operate yearly

You are a very good jew ! And A good heart person ! And you must really love and like yiden ! I a BTW I wonder if you keep shabos at all shame on you ,

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 12:34 AM benzion Says:

This is one of the things that I just simply do not understand. All year 'round the mountains are ghost towns. The few residents who live here make a good part of their livelihood off of the vacationers, and then they always are looking for ways to stab them in the back.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 12:56 AM harryw Says:

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kollelfaker Says:

if i lived there i would be on the residents side we town is going to pay millions top get sewer and water to a tax free institution that contributes nothing to the community
real estate taxes will rise to pay for this and additional costs to operate yearly

Actually, they do bring tranquility and security to the town. Where ever chasidim reside the crime level is diminutive and next to none. Oh, and food and clothing for the large families that we usually have, we do contribute a lot to the local economy.

So, besides being a self hating jew, you just have the facts completly wrong.

Think a bit before you comment.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 02:11 AM Joe-Shmoe Says:

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satmer Says:

You are a very good jew ! And A good heart person ! And you must really love and like yiden ! I a BTW I wonder if you keep shabos at all shame on you ,

I feel your and share your pain being libled together with non other than our brother, a fellow yid. however when a brother is soo hurt, he's slandering us, we should understand his pain and rather refrain from hurting him more. hopefully his anger towards us will subside and well once again sit and laugh together.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 01:15 AM Emily Litella Says:

Sewer talk should be banned at all times, not just on Shabbos.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 01:19 AM shtill Says:

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satmer Says:

You are a very good jew ! And A good heart person ! And you must really love and like yiden ! I a BTW I wonder if you keep shabos at all shame on you ,

I generally disagree with the kollel yungerman you are upset with, but on yhis issue I couldn't agree more. Being Jewish doesn't give you any more civil rights and it doesn't entitle you to any automatic backing from other yidden. Let's drop yid and goy from our vernacular its not about that at all. Its about right or wrong - if you're right we back you even goy against yid. If you're wrong we drop you like a hot potato.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 02:53 AM Financial expert Says:

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kollelfaker Says:

if i lived there i would be on the residents side we town is going to pay millions top get sewer and water to a tax free institution that contributes nothing to the community
real estate taxes will rise to pay for this and additional costs to operate yearly

You don't know an iota of the way these things work, the town charges for municipal water which includes the sewer use. The town charges so many other stuff to make up for lost tax revenues, electrical inspections, waste fields, besides the shopping revenues by the religious community. Do you have an idea how much propane, chlorine, garbage removal, electricity, lumber, stolen copper and regular household shopping costs and money it generates? Most tax payers in this town get their money from Jewish business i would suggest we abandon the town for a year and put forward a referendum if we should be let back in. And to you who do want to impress by posting your comment? Your wife? she knows your on welfare.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 09:26 AM Anonymous Says:

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Financial expert Says:

You don't know an iota of the way these things work, the town charges for municipal water which includes the sewer use. The town charges so many other stuff to make up for lost tax revenues, electrical inspections, waste fields, besides the shopping revenues by the religious community. Do you have an idea how much propane, chlorine, garbage removal, electricity, lumber, stolen copper and regular household shopping costs and money it generates? Most tax payers in this town get their money from Jewish business i would suggest we abandon the town for a year and put forward a referendum if we should be let back in. And to you who do want to impress by posting your comment? Your wife? she knows your on welfare.

it is easy to see you are no expert every community including NYC charge the same but real estate taxes and yes school and water taxes are the majority of their operating funds every project that is build becomes a schul or yeshiva and pays no tax as a result those living there pay higher taxes to offset YOUR thievery

if you want the water and sewer lines PAY for them the community isnt responsible for your excess costs isn't that what monroe did pay for their own water line
please and the business we bring is to our own stores and only the store keeper makes on it in many cases trhe store is owned by the yashiva and is tax free as well

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 10:52 AM Admitnothing Says:

I see nothing wrong with having the govt pay for sewerage lines. Frum yidden pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxes for which we receive nothing in return ie: school taxes. If not for the Yidden coming upstate, the mountains year round would look like Woodbourne in December ! There are plenty of developments and bungalow colonies that are not owned by congregations that do pay their fair share of local taxes. If a congregation legitimately owns a development, more power to them. When a development is owned by a Kehillah usually the costs are subsidized by the Kehillah which allows people who wouldn't be able to go upstate for the summer for economic reasons to be able to go. Look at Chaddishe camps, Kehillah owned and operated and they cost a fraction of what for profit camps charge.

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 Sep 02, 2011 at 04:55 PM Adam Sway Says:

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Admitnothing Says:

I see nothing wrong with having the govt pay for sewerage lines. Frum yidden pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxes for which we receive nothing in return ie: school taxes. If not for the Yidden coming upstate, the mountains year round would look like Woodbourne in December ! There are plenty of developments and bungalow colonies that are not owned by congregations that do pay their fair share of local taxes. If a congregation legitimately owns a development, more power to them. When a development is owned by a Kehillah usually the costs are subsidized by the Kehillah which allows people who wouldn't be able to go upstate for the summer for economic reasons to be able to go. Look at Chaddishe camps, Kehillah owned and operated and they cost a fraction of what for profit camps charge.

"Frum yidden pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxes for which we receive nothing in return ie: school taxes."

I am sorry, but that is a fallacious argument, Admitnothing #11. I do not doubt that (some) frum yidden pay large amounts in school taxes. However, the public schools that those Jews have paid for - but choose not to use - are still available to them nevertheless.

Put another way, not a single soul in this country is being forced to pay extortionate amounts of money for their children's education over and above the school taxes.

Jewish private and paid education is a luxury, and not a necessity for those who cannot afford to pay twice.

Best wishes to you and a shabat shalom.

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 Sep 04, 2011 at 10:54 AM awacs Says:

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Adam Sway Says:

"Frum yidden pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year in taxes for which we receive nothing in return ie: school taxes."

I am sorry, but that is a fallacious argument, Admitnothing #11. I do not doubt that (some) frum yidden pay large amounts in school taxes. However, the public schools that those Jews have paid for - but choose not to use - are still available to them nevertheless.

Put another way, not a single soul in this country is being forced to pay extortionate amounts of money for their children's education over and above the school taxes.

Jewish private and paid education is a luxury, and not a necessity for those who cannot afford to pay twice.

Best wishes to you and a shabat shalom.

"Jewish private and paid education is a luxury, and not a necessity for those who cannot afford to pay twice."

No, it's a necessity. The Shulchan Aruch demands it.

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