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EPA FILENew York, NY - Yom Kippur is around the corner that means its time for the annual protests of the annual chicken swinging ritual known as kapparot. Opponents, who this year advertised briefly in Times Square, aren’t against the ritual so much as they’re against the chicken killing.
To get their message of peace for poultry out, The Alliance To End Chickens as Kaporos is going to host not one, not two, but THREE two-hour protest/demonstrations in Brooklyn this year.
There protests will be held on the following dates:
Tuesday evening Oct 4: Ocean Parkway and Ave. P in Midwood from 6-8pm.
Wednesday evening Oct 5: Pupa Kosher Butcher store at 118 Division Ave (between Bedford & Driggs Avenues) in Williamsburg from 6-8pm.
Thursday evening Oct 6: 792 Eastern Parkway between Kingston & Albany Avenues in Crown Heights from 6-8pm.
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Oct 01, 2011 at 11:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Use a fish instead.
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Oct 01, 2011 at 11:06 PM Lodzker Says:Report as Inappropriate
ok, so just move the kaparos locations.
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Oct 01, 2011 at 11:44 PM shvigger Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Use a fish instead. ”
Fish also need to be killed to be eaten. Kapparos are slaughtered and are then consumed, wiseguy.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 12:00 AM hmmmm Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thanks for posting times. I will purposly go shlug kappores at the posted times.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 12:07 AM AronM Says:Report as Inappropriate
what's with boro park? We need some action too!
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Oct 02, 2011 at 12:13 AM Babishka Says:Report as Inappropriate
Where were these protesters when Muslims were slaughtering animals in the street for Eid Al Adha? They were hiding.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 12:13 AM lostinCA Says:Report as Inappropriate
ich hub zei in bud
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Oct 02, 2011 at 01:52 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
...and how do they eat their chickens, alive? all animals are slaughtered in order to be eaten!
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Oct 02, 2011 at 01:55 AM joseph Says:Report as Inappropriate
I'm going to cut a chicken's neck in front of the protesters, just to spite them. (A kosher schechting that will be eaten.)
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Oct 02, 2011 at 03:20 AM RavShmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
Since we may fulfill Kapparos with money, why do we need to choose the option which causes pain to animals and a chilul Hashem. We are asking Hashem for mercy by causing Hashem's creatures pain. It's time to reassess how we perform Kapparos by using the option of tzedaka which is a win win situation: causing good to the person doing kapparos and to the tzedaka recipient. Let's start thinking a bit independently and make better choices.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 04:11 AM c Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Fish also need to be killed to be eaten. Kapparos are slaughtered and are then consumed, wiseguy. ”
Do to the large volume of kaparos it has become impractical to clean and kasher all the chickens. Accordingly a large number of chickens are simply thrown away after shechitah. I have a real problem with this and I will not do kaporas with a chicken unless I know that it will be eaten and not simply discarded.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 05:04 AM Michoel Dovid Says:Report as Inappropriate
We have traditionally used chickens for centuries if they were available. After being killed they are usually donated to those who need the food. The animals will be killed anyways and this just ensures they go to a good cause. If one has a personal opinion that's fine, but they should not incite others in shouting matches over it. Of course the chickens should be kept, fed, etc... in relatively normal conditions before and afterwards.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 06:24 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Do to the large volume of kaparos it has become impractical to clean and kasher all the chickens. Accordingly a large number of chickens are simply thrown away after shechitah. I have a real problem with this and I will not do kaporas with a chicken unless I know that it will be eaten and not simply discarded. ”
I don't know where u live but here the chickens are3 donated to tomchei shabbos. I have not heard anyone thrpwing chickens away
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Oct 02, 2011 at 08:42 AM Canadian Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Since we may fulfill Kapparos with money, why do we need to choose the option which causes pain to animals and a chilul Hashem. We are asking Hashem for mercy by causing Hashem's creatures pain. It's time to reassess how we perform Kapparos by using the option of tzedaka which is a win win situation: causing good to the person doing kapparos and to the tzedaka recipient. Let's start thinking a bit independently and make better choices. ”
For some Minhagim are extremely important and each person must ask their respective Rav what's right for them. If you feel times have changed and animals feel more pain than they did many years back? Or circumstances have changed than seek guidance from your Rav. I have and my Rav is insistant that our Minhag for kaporos is chickens so I'm interested to hear your opinion but because you are not the Rav of my community it doesn't really matter to me and my community on a practical level.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 12:40 PM Chaim Says:Report as Inappropriate
End this barbaric cruelty against animals. Do kapporos on money instead.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ End this barbaric cruelty against animals. Do kapporos on money instead. ”
Money, fish, goats or any other kosher animal is preferable to chickens. There is nothing m'dioraisah that dictates one must shlug kapores with a chicken or duck.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I have ordered signs to counter protest in Flatbush to these PETA and liberal animal lovers that will read. SHAME ON ATHEISTS WHO OPPOSE HUMANS EATING MEAT YET SUPPORT THE MURDER OF BABIES THROUGH ABORTIONS.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 05:02 PM sholom Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Money, fish, goats or any other kosher animal is preferable to chickens. There is nothing m'dioraisah that dictates one must shlug kapores with a chicken or duck. ”
Sorry, but your wrong, the Arizal in Shar Hakavonot clearly upholds the Minhag of using a white chicken as Kapporos on Erev Yom Kippur.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 04:39 PM RavShmuel Says:Report as Inappropriate
This year, the chareidi Chemla organization in Eretz Yisrael is coming out publically against kaparos with chickens. They say: "It is simply against our conscious that frum Yidden, yerei Shomayin, cooperate with those who transport and hold chickens under terribly abusive conditions. They are stuffed into crates, not fed or watered," says Rav Yehuda Shein. "The shochtim work 10-12 hour days, rendering many of the chickens questionably kosher." Rav Shein does his pidyon with money, thereby fulfilling the requirement of kaparos while avoiding tzaar baalei chaim, a strict Torah prohibition.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 04:43 PM eighthcomment Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Since we may fulfill Kapparos with money, why do we need to choose the option which causes pain to animals and a chilul Hashem. We are asking Hashem for mercy by causing Hashem's creatures pain. It's time to reassess how we perform Kapparos by using the option of tzedaka which is a win win situation: causing good to the person doing kapparos and to the tzedaka recipient. Let's start thinking a bit independently and make better choices. ”
Borderline apikorsus- did u ever here of sacrifices? U think its painful? U think ur frummer than G- do u think it wquld required if it was a chilul?! Ur mind does not dictate logic...
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Oct 02, 2011 at 08:05 PM newtransplant Says:Report as Inappropriate
Aw, nuts, they've told you when they're demonstrating so just shut down kapporos at those locations at those times, move elsewhere. Not too difficult to avoid confrontation, which is what should be the main issue here.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 09:09 PM Raphael_Kaufman Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Money, fish, goats or any other kosher animal is preferable to chickens. There is nothing m'dioraisah that dictates one must shlug kapores with a chicken or duck. ”
There is nothing m'Deoraisah about shlogging kapores altogether. While it is a custom going back to Rav Hai Gaon, many rishonim were vehemently opposed to the practice. Today, some do not shlog kapores at all, many do it with money and some, as above, do it with chickens. Each to his own custom.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 09:12 PM Raphael Kaufman Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ For some Minhagim are extremely important and each person must ask their respective Rav what's right for them. If you feel times have changed and animals feel more pain than they did many years back? Or circumstances have changed than seek guidance from your Rav. I have and my Rav is insistant that our Minhag for kaporos is chickens so I'm interested to hear your opinion but because you are not the Rav of my community it doesn't really matter to me and my community on a practical level. ”
Using money for kapores is not a "modern innovation". In Lite the custom was to shlog kapores with money since well before the time of the Gaon.
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Oct 02, 2011 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Personally, I would rather do kaporos on a chicken. But the way things are at the moment, kapporos is more of a Chillul Hashem than a Kiddush hashem. In the old days, in the shtettle, the average yid would take a chicken from his back yard and do kaporos and bring it to the shochet. No mass production. No violently stuffing them into crates. No holding them painfully by the wings, in an effort to save time. In today’s modern society we live mainly in cities where everything is mass produced and time ansd speed is of essence. Mass production Kaparos in the city is a whole different ball game, Unfortunately, there IS a massive amount of unnecessary cruelty. There IS waht to be upset about. They DO have a point.
It is sad that it is the secular who have to point out to the frum Yidden the blatant cruelty involved in mass production of kapporos on a city street corner.
Why aren’t FRUM yidden visibly standing up and protesting the appalling treatment of some of these chickens are put through? Why does PETA have to point out the obvious?
Why can’t the average frum yid protest the blatant tzar bar l’chaim? Why do we need PETA to do the job for us?
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Oct 03, 2011 at 01:21 AM pikech Says:Report as Inappropriate
Raboisay! Remember! Since yiddishkeit exists, we always had people protests our yiddishe way of life , halochos, minhagim, but we always prevail, so don't worry and ignore them all, yiddishkeit will always stay until moshiachs day!!!
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Oct 03, 2011 at 04:33 PM c Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I don't know where u live but here the chickens are3 donated to tomchei shabbos. I have not heard anyone thrpwing chickens away ”
Where I live the chickens are donated as well and every effort is made to clean an kasher them in a timely fashion. However, it just not possible for all chickens to be consumed in all situations. This is especially problematic in places like Brooklyn, where there are a large number of chickens used and with a short amount time available to pluck, clean and kasher them pursuant to halacha. The fact that you are unaware of this, does not alter the circumstance. You can do an online search for articles about this or speak to people who are directly involved. Most people assume that the chicken they use will be eaten. This is a false assumption.