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Brooklyn, NY - Video footage, captured with a cell phone camera, shows a large number police officers manhandling a Jewish man who was trying to defend himself, constantly asking why he was being arrested.

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According to news site CrownHeights.info  The incident began unfolding within the eighteen minutes after Rosh Hashana had already begun near the intersection of Albany Avenue and Montgomery Street. Police officers pulled over a Jewish motorist who was in a hurry to get home just as the holiday was starting.

Passerbys called out to the cops to let the motorist go, saying that the holiday was starting. The impassive officers responded that “he broke the law and we will not let him go.” One bystander got vocal and police fixated on him.


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 Oct 01, 2011 at 10:42 PM newtransplant Says:

This is one police district that has not been educated about the area they police. They could have walked him down to the station, all he was trying to do was help a fellow Jew who had been stupid. Poor guy, my heart goes out to him.

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:03 PM TheRealJoe123 Says:

I live in CH and didn't know about this story until now all what I got to say is its time for us to move our game up a notch obviously the cops aren't respecting us as of now its time they meet the new real CH which doesn't kiss up to the cops no matter how they treat us

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Since when is rushing home for yom tov and excuse for violating the law or not responding to a police officer? If he had enough time to wait until a few minutes before licht benchen to drive home then he had enough time to not resist the police officer. They should charge him with resisting arrest.

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:26 PM Secular Says:

Why was he in a rush eighteen minutes before the Zman??

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:32 PM Chacham Says:

To #3
how could a Jew write such a thing about another Jew, especially when we are asking Hashem to have mercy on us?
Good thing you're not the one judging us.

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Since when is rushing home for yom tov and excuse for violating the law or not responding to a police officer? If he had enough time to wait until a few minutes before licht benchen to drive home then he had enough time to not resist the police officer. They should charge him with resisting arrest.

You have misunderstood the story. The driver was not arrested, a passer by who asked them why they were harassing the driver was arrested and kept in overnight, Crown Heights is a police state where was is not allowed to peacefully question the acts of an officer.

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:35 PM UseYourHead Says:

Idiots. First, being late for yom tov is no excuse for breaking the law. Two wrongs don't make a right. Your failure to plan properly does not give you permission to do as you please. Second, the guy in the video is clearly being uncooperative - aka resisting arrest. Anyone who doesn't recognize this is just ignorant of the law. We have enough real anti-Semitism to deal with, this is just plain childish behavior.

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:40 PM to#3 Says:

the guy didnt do anything, all he did was ask the cops to let the other jew go, the cops in crown heights are acting like in germany, for years they stand near 770 on erev yom kipur and pull people over, it does not matter who the commander is, they hate the jews here, i am a resident of crown heights and i have seen it over and over again, they would not do it in bed stuy, this jew was not a threat to anyone, shame on ray kelly and his thugs

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
TheRealJoe123 Says:

I live in CH and didn't know about this story until now all what I got to say is its time for us to move our game up a notch obviously the cops aren't respecting us as of now its time they meet the new real CH which doesn't kiss up to the cops no matter how they treat us

If you go out and "move up your game a notch" and resist police orders, you will be joining you chaver, the rosh hashana speeder

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:46 PM shredready Says:

no problem here the police did not use excessive force


"Passerbys called out to the cops to let the motorist go, saying that the holiday was starting. "

so, is this a new excuse for not going to jail?

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 Oct 01, 2011 at 11:46 PM monseygal Says:

r u kidding me, ? aggressive arrest? he is resisting why shouldnt they be aggressive?

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
to#3 Says:

the guy didnt do anything, all he did was ask the cops to let the other jew go, the cops in crown heights are acting like in germany, for years they stand near 770 on erev yom kipur and pull people over, it does not matter who the commander is, they hate the jews here, i am a resident of crown heights and i have seen it over and over again, they would not do it in bed stuy, this jew was not a threat to anyone, shame on ray kelly and his thugs

Your paranoid comments only make me happy this guy was arrested evruv yom tov. If he would fight this way with a police officer doing their job, what else would he be capable of doing? He needs to learn some anger management since he is clearly disobeying the officers. And no, you don't have the "right" to forcibly resist arrest.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:13 AM jerrygold Says:

Reply to #5  
Chacham Says:

To #3
how could a Jew write such a thing about another Jew, especially when we are asking Hashem to have mercy on us?
Good thing you're not the one judging us.

who says he is jewish? no jew can respond the way he did, a specially after r
'h

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:16 AM Anonymous Says:

"Manhandling"?? They arrested the guy using, what APPEARED to be reasonable force. What the video doesn't show is what led the police to arrest him in the first place. The cops aren't stupid: they weren't going to arrest a Jew in Crown Heights on Rosh HaShanah with some sort of a reason.
I can't agree with #8: we aren't in Nazi Germany and the comparison is odious.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:18 AM kligermentch Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Since when is rushing home for yom tov and excuse for violating the law or not responding to a police officer? If he had enough time to wait until a few minutes before licht benchen to drive home then he had enough time to not resist the police officer. They should charge him with resisting arrest.

why are you making a statement, ?? do you know the store in its entirety

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:35 AM Anonymous Says:

The problem is that cops don't like having their authority questioned. In 2006, when Mr. Schick in Borough Park questioned the authority of the 66th Precinct cops, they threw him into a paddy wagon, and used excessive force. In this case, minimal force was used. The Chassidic who was arrested should have minded his business, and not stuck his two cents in, pertaining to the other motorist. However, the pedestrian will probably be charged with obstructing governmental administration, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. It is a shanda that this arrest took place on Erev Rosh Hashanah, and that they wouldn't let him walk to the police station. Reasonable force was used; there were no chokeholds used, and he was not pushed. However, the handcuffs had to be placed on him, for the protection of everyone involved.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:57 AM i was thre Says:

i was there i saw how the follow yid got arrested c.h cops behave very aggressive with the jewish community , he just told the cop that is the holiday the cop told him to go away which he did not move quickly away the cop throgh on the floor which you see on the video , unfortunly we in c.h. have a police state plus i saw how the cops are cheering each other when they arrested a yid yes this cops behaved like nazi germans ,

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:13 AM lazerx Says:

with out more back ground info, it does not seem to me that the cops used excessive force to the chassid in the video. I don't know what he did, so it is really difficult to piece together anything here.

How about adding some background info to the story??

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:18 AM stamm Says:

some of you do not realize that the man arrested was not the driver. this guy only asked them to let the motorist go since it is the holiday. for mixing in and being vocal he shouldn't have been thrown onto the floor etc.and treated so aggressively.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:53 AM joseph Says:

The pedestrian seen being arrested in the video (he was never in a car) was arrested a few minutes before RH. Later than evening he was forced into a car on RH itself, and driven to Central Booking were he was held over RH night. He was released on the first day RH during the afternoon.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 03:14 AM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Terrible! From what I've heard it's like a police state around Crown Heights this time of year & at some of the other festive holidays (ie:Purim), and that cops don't just hang out to "protect" the Yidden during the holidays... but in fact take *advantage* of the situation, by basically using the opportunity to meet their monthly quotas & literally "bait" drivers speeding too fast to get somewhere on time, jaywalking, or breaking a slew of other non-voilent offenses, and if that's in fact true...then I certainly couldn't blame a person for resisting arrest when a more harmless offense has occured!

No, I'm *not* trying to make excuses for the speedy drivers & etc! That's not the point! They're "guilty" of those things, ok? (In case anyone wants to be overly technical- lo)

But the issue at hand for me is the "baiting" of all of us as way to squeeze even more taxes, fees, etc, out of a people that already have little to give as it is! What happened to being on call & providing extra protection because it's their job??

When I read their would be more police around during R'H' I was grateful! I've got a friend who lives in New York & so I always worry...

But this is ridiculous!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 04:22 AM open-minded Says:

If this was a black guy obstructing police work and causing a disturbance would this even have been a news story? Absolutely not.

You're all acting like jewish sharpton's accusing the NYPD of racism and brutality when they're just doing their job.

I was shocked that they didn't use pepper spray to restrain him and get him under control.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 04:40 AM eighthcomment Says:

All u genius commentors who don't seem do judge favorabley the yid. But judge the cops favorably without knowing the story-am I happy u are only judging yourselves- yep- all these responses are all a test of how we want to be treated- and quite frankly- another yid asking that a fellow yid be let go is the right thing to do! I would do it for a brother of mine!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:04 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Since when is rushing home for yom tov and excuse for violating the law or not responding to a police officer? If he had enough time to wait until a few minutes before licht benchen to drive home then he had enough time to not resist the police officer. They should charge him with resisting arrest.

Obviously you know the whole story! One part of the story you forgot, Hashem does the judging on Tishrei not YOU!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:08 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #4  
Secular Says:

Why was he in a rush eighteen minutes before the Zman??

I don't know. Maybe he was visiting someone in the hospital, or because there are so many visitors to CH on the yomim tovim that there was a lot of traffic. Is that the real issue here, or that the cops forced a Frum Jew into a car on Rosh Hashsana? Was that necessary? Not one of the 6 officers could listen to one Jew there and show some understanding and respect for Rosh Hashanah? Obviously one of the officers should have immediately summoned a sergeant to the scene since it wasn't this person that broke the law!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:12 AM Sherree Belsky Says:

Reply to #7  
UseYourHead Says:

Idiots. First, being late for yom tov is no excuse for breaking the law. Two wrongs don't make a right. Your failure to plan properly does not give you permission to do as you please. Second, the guy in the video is clearly being uncooperative - aka resisting arrest. Anyone who doesn't recognize this is just ignorant of the law. We have enough real anti-Semitism to deal with, this is just plain childish behavior.

Obviously is is YOU who is not using his head. Firstly the guy that was late made a mistake in his desperation to get home in time. Secondly, the cops should know better and show some leniency on the Yomim Tovim. Thirdly, it was a bystander the cops decided to teach a lesson to, which they could have walked to the station and not forced to be mechalel Yom Tov. Obviously showing no respect and no sensitivity to the neighborhood and people they are supposed to serve. If this would have happened to a Black in the neighborhood it would have caused a riot. Lets not be so politically correct right now. There was no reason for 6 police officers to act this way, they should have called down a sergeant with a cooler head. Every one of these officers should be suspended for a week and moved to a different district.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:15 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

If you go out and "move up your game a notch" and resist police orders, you will be joining you chaver, the rosh hashana speeder

Sorry to even mention his name, but this is shadows of Dinkins all over again. Tell me why the murderers were not found and arrested after the parade Labor Day but a Jew on the eve of one of the Holiest days of the year is forced into a car to desecrate his holiday? Bullies. There should be nothing less than a protest at the police station! Like I said before if it happened to the blacks there would be a riot!.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:19 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #11  
monseygal Says:

r u kidding me, ? aggressive arrest? he is resisting why shouldnt they be aggressive?

Resisting? Are you Frum? The last I checked only reform and orthodox drive on Rosh Hashana! Oh yeah, that is after getting arrested for speaking. Hmm, did this happen in a communist country or do we still have freedom of speech here. Didn't the NY Times Report that Biden was more than pleased to report his freedom of speech to the president "Over my dead body will we release that man till he has served his whole sentence (Pollard)." And Jews will still throw money at him. Maybe Jews like you who think that WE don't have the same freedom of speech and religion like everyone else in this country.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:24 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

Your paranoid comments only make me happy this guy was arrested evruv yom tov. If he would fight this way with a police officer doing their job, what else would he be capable of doing? He needs to learn some anger management since he is clearly disobeying the officers. And no, you don't have the "right" to forcibly resist arrest.

Seriously? Obviously you have no survivor instincts. This old man asks why he is being arrested to be forced into a car on YOM TOV by the way. If the driver was within 18 minutes, and they were already talking to a man on the sidelines, what time do you think this man would have been driven around? Do the math! And from this small clip how can YOU determine that the officers were do their job by harassing a man for speaking? This man needs anger management for asking why he is being arrested and when not getting an answer he pulls his hands away which you determine "MR. Anonymous afraid to give your name" is forcibly resisting arrest. B"H there is a videotape. BTW, don't bothering applying to law school.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:26 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

"Manhandling"?? They arrested the guy using, what APPEARED to be reasonable force. What the video doesn't show is what led the police to arrest him in the first place. The cops aren't stupid: they weren't going to arrest a Jew in Crown Heights on Rosh HaShanah with some sort of a reason.
I can't agree with #8: we aren't in Nazi Germany and the comparison is odious.

Reasonable force? Four to one with two on the side is reasonable in your opinion. The cops aren't stupid? OK, that is two stupid comments, three strikes and your out.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:29 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

The problem is that cops don't like having their authority questioned. In 2006, when Mr. Schick in Borough Park questioned the authority of the 66th Precinct cops, they threw him into a paddy wagon, and used excessive force. In this case, minimal force was used. The Chassidic who was arrested should have minded his business, and not stuck his two cents in, pertaining to the other motorist. However, the pedestrian will probably be charged with obstructing governmental administration, disorderly conduct, and resisting arrest. It is a shanda that this arrest took place on Erev Rosh Hashanah, and that they wouldn't let him walk to the police station. Reasonable force was used; there were no chokeholds used, and he was not pushed. However, the handcuffs had to be placed on him, for the protection of everyone involved.

Sorry your wrong, keeping quiet is what allows people like Hitler and the Iranian idiot to build support. He had every right to comment and the police need to have their authority questioned when they are wrong! This is still a democratic society the last I checked. This video should be posted on Youtube and we should complain to the mayor. Every single lawyer in the Jewish Community should make a complaint.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 05:34 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #21  
SherryTheNoahide Says:

Terrible! From what I've heard it's like a police state around Crown Heights this time of year & at some of the other festive holidays (ie:Purim), and that cops don't just hang out to "protect" the Yidden during the holidays... but in fact take *advantage* of the situation, by basically using the opportunity to meet their monthly quotas & literally "bait" drivers speeding too fast to get somewhere on time, jaywalking, or breaking a slew of other non-voilent offenses, and if that's in fact true...then I certainly couldn't blame a person for resisting arrest when a more harmless offense has occured!

No, I'm *not* trying to make excuses for the speedy drivers & etc! That's not the point! They're "guilty" of those things, ok? (In case anyone wants to be overly technical- lo)

But the issue at hand for me is the "baiting" of all of us as way to squeeze even more taxes, fees, etc, out of a people that already have little to give as it is! What happened to being on call & providing extra protection because it's their job??

When I read their would be more police around during R'H' I was grateful! I've got a friend who lives in New York & so I always worry...

But this is ridiculous!

In all honesty this entire CH issue needs to be taken up with the Civil Liberties Union and not back down until it is cleared up. The community as a whole should sue the police department. No kidding.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:03 AM Shlomo Says:

Reply to #30  
Sherree Says:

Reasonable force? Four to one with two on the side is reasonable in your opinion. The cops aren't stupid? OK, that is two stupid comments, three strikes and your out.

Sherree
1) Reasonable force is not the amount of cops to arrest someone, it is the force used. They simply took his arms and cuffed him.
2) Yes, four to one is reasonable. It is much safer as it allows the subject to be approached from both sides (from the front is more risky).
3) I can't imagine the police risking a walk to the station house: the police car is safer and faster. Walking him to the precinct would have given time for people to come to the street which could have led to protests or even riots.
4) Called for a sergeant? The sergeant was on scene talking to the guy!
I'm not going to judge whether the arrest was necessary as the video clip doesn't show what happened beforehand.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:23 AM shmendrick Says:

the bottom line is.....the video shows no excessive force....the Chasid is simply resisting arrest...If cops want your hands to cuff you and want to put you in the cop car...you either go or you are resisiting arrest...I don't know how that guy was raised to think you can resist a cop...doesn't make any sense.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:34 AM Butterfly Says:

How many police officers had to handle one elderly man?? This was OVERKILL!! In the beginning of the clip it looked like they were pushing and manhandling him!! What did he do?? He is one person against how many officers?? They always look to nit pick on erev yom tov!! Not only in Crown Heights!! It happened a few years ago right hear in Midwood!! I rest my case!! 70 pct!!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:37 AM concerned_Jew Says:

Reply to #33  
Shlomo Says:

Sherree
1) Reasonable force is not the amount of cops to arrest someone, it is the force used. They simply took his arms and cuffed him.
2) Yes, four to one is reasonable. It is much safer as it allows the subject to be approached from both sides (from the front is more risky).
3) I can't imagine the police risking a walk to the station house: the police car is safer and faster. Walking him to the precinct would have given time for people to come to the street which could have led to protests or even riots.
4) Called for a sergeant? The sergeant was on scene talking to the guy!
I'm not going to judge whether the arrest was necessary as the video clip doesn't show what happened beforehand.

What was he being arrested for? I did not hear the cops read him his Miranda Rights nor tell him he was being arrested and what for. The person has to be read his Miranda rights and has to be told that he is being arrested and why he is being arrested. So the person out there that thinks he/she knows it all is blowing smoke. Learn the law, understand the situation before you bother to comment and show off your ignorance. Get it?

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Shlomo Says:

Sherree
1) Reasonable force is not the amount of cops to arrest someone, it is the force used. They simply took his arms and cuffed him.
2) Yes, four to one is reasonable. It is much safer as it allows the subject to be approached from both sides (from the front is more risky).
3) I can't imagine the police risking a walk to the station house: the police car is safer and faster. Walking him to the precinct would have given time for people to come to the street which could have led to protests or even riots.
4) Called for a sergeant? The sergeant was on scene talking to the guy!
I'm not going to judge whether the arrest was necessary as the video clip doesn't show what happened beforehand.

I'm also not judging. the video obviously did not show the whole story.
There are 3 sides to every story, in this case,

1. the CH people being ticketed/arrested,
2. the cops, and
3. the truth.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 08:15 AM Anonymous Says:

How did a motorist get out of his car and into the bushes?

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 08:40 AM we need moahiach now Says:

The story before I can't tell you because I don't know all the details but I do know this video is from a website and group that is in a fight with most of ch from the rebunim to the police to every one in between and are looking for any way to hurt the police or any one they can with made up charges and lawsuits (the police are one of the many active ones they have now)

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 09:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
concerned_Jew Says:

What was he being arrested for? I did not hear the cops read him his Miranda Rights nor tell him he was being arrested and what for. The person has to be read his Miranda rights and has to be told that he is being arrested and why he is being arrested. So the person out there that thinks he/she knows it all is blowing smoke. Learn the law, understand the situation before you bother to comment and show off your ignorance. Get it?

usually a person is read his right at the beginning. this was not the beginning, so it could be they already did, and it just wasnt in this clip. i would like to know how he ended up in the bushes, but since i was not there to see the whole thing, i cant judge. however, i will say that to me it did NOT look like any excessive force was used. it is safer for the police if more than one person approaches someone who may potentially be arrested.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 09:58 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #22  
open-minded Says:

If this was a black guy obstructing police work and causing a disturbance would this even have been a news story? Absolutely not.

You're all acting like jewish sharpton's accusing the NYPD of racism and brutality when they're just doing their job.

I was shocked that they didn't use pepper spray to restrain him and get him under control.

If this was a Black guy being arrested for speaking on "Christmas" Eve there would be another riot in Crown Heights.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:17 AM Oy Vey! Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Since when is rushing home for yom tov and excuse for violating the law or not responding to a police officer? If he had enough time to wait until a few minutes before licht benchen to drive home then he had enough time to not resist the police officer. They should charge him with resisting arrest.

Are u really Jewish? As I was educated, Yidden zeinen Rachmonim Benei Rachmonim. Your comment pains me,,, clearly Rosh Hashana had no impact on you,, I am sad for you.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:21 AM enlightened-yid Says:

Why is this even a story? Where is he being "manhandled"? Where is the "aggressive arrest"? The guy is resisting the officers when they clearly are trying to arrest him. You do not challenge officers who made up the decision to arrest you. You can call your lawyer later, but at that moment you comply with the cops, especially when you're outnumbered and your foolish efforts to resist them is futile. They never punched him, they never, tasered him, they never used a baton on him, they never threw him to the ground, they never pepper sprayed him or took him into head lock. By the way this tzadik was behaving himself, it looks like there was probable cause for why so many cops needed to respond to arrest this guy who was minding his business and obstructing police work with his wise opinions.

Being late to yom tovs is not a constitutionally protected right to violate traffic laws or being excused from being pulled over by the police. You are not above the law until moshiach comes. Until then, avoid drawing suspicion to yourself by obeying laws and avoid cops. Too many frum Jews feel like NYPD must treat them with special set of rules as if they are diplomats with immunity.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Sherree Says:

If this was a Black guy being arrested for speaking on "Christmas" Eve there would be another riot in Crown Heights.

And if this were a Black guy being arrested, you would be siding with the police.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:27 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #33  
Shlomo Says:

Sherree
1) Reasonable force is not the amount of cops to arrest someone, it is the force used. They simply took his arms and cuffed him.
2) Yes, four to one is reasonable. It is much safer as it allows the subject to be approached from both sides (from the front is more risky).
3) I can't imagine the police risking a walk to the station house: the police car is safer and faster. Walking him to the precinct would have given time for people to come to the street which could have led to protests or even riots.
4) Called for a sergeant? The sergeant was on scene talking to the guy!
I'm not going to judge whether the arrest was necessary as the video clip doesn't show what happened beforehand.

1) Not so simple watch the video again. First THEY knocked him to the ground, one or more. Then they 4 surrounded him. All this for speaking. Then they pulled him up by his wrists. Then they pulled at his wrist without giving him an explanation why he was being arrested. That is not simply taking a man's arms and cuffing him.

2) Risky to whom Shlomo? Were the cops at risk here from this old man on his way to shul? What were they being threatened with a machzor? And count again there were 6 to one.

3) Wow, really? Walking an old man to the precinct on Erev Rosh Hashonah would have risked a riot of a bunch of Jews leaving shul to follow with their machzorim as weapons? Were they also afraid of the shouting "Shema Yisroel"? Do you think they were afraid the blacks would join the protest? Lets be serious here, after all it is aseres yimei Teshuva. This is a test for YOU Sholom. It is your yetzer horah speaking making you dan the goyim l'kaf Z'chus instead of the Old Jew.

4) Oh but it does, it shows the man in the bushes in addition to the eye witness accounts you read right here, so what exactly is your point? Mine is Hashem is watching you!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:31 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #34  
shmendrick Says:

the bottom line is.....the video shows no excessive force....the Chasid is simply resisting arrest...If cops want your hands to cuff you and want to put you in the cop car...you either go or you are resisiting arrest...I don't know how that guy was raised to think you can resist a cop...doesn't make any sense.

The man had a right to speak, in addition to having a right to ask why he is being arrested. This of course is in addition to his right NOT to be knocked to the ground by the cops. That is excessive force to begin with. A cop does NOT have the right to arrest you because you spoke or because you are a Jew. Please try to remember that. But hear this. This man does have a right to sue the city for false arrest, for bias, for harassment and anything else a good lawyer can think of. I hope he gets at least a good couple of hundred dollars if not a million!

Any lawyers out there it is time we stood up for our own!!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:33 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #39  
we need moahiach now Says:

The story before I can't tell you because I don't know all the details but I do know this video is from a website and group that is in a fight with most of ch from the rebunim to the police to every one in between and are looking for any way to hurt the police or any one they can with made up charges and lawsuits (the police are one of the many active ones they have now)

Thank you for the laugh. Please do NOT forget to add this to your "al Cheit" on Yom Kippur!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:42 AM Solomon Says:

To Sherree: The fact of the matter is that cops do not like having their authority verbally questioned; it tends to provoke them. It is the same thing when a motorist is stopped by a cop, for a moving violation. If a motorist keeps his/her cool, they may get off with a warning. However, if a motorist starts mouthing off, you can be assured that they will receive a ticket. Cases such as this should be settled in court, and not on the street. In lieu of the circumstances, the cops handled the situation very professionally using a minimum of force, as they did not shove or manhandle the Chassidic, as was the case with Mr. Shick in Borough Park in 2006. Also, it would have been a disaster if they decided to walk to the police precinct station house, as they might have been surrounded by a mob of residents, and the situation would have escalated out of control. According to Halacha, we have a greater obligation to obey the laws of the country, which we live in. Speeding through the city streets, going through stop signs, excessive honking of horns, double and triple parking, blocking driveways and fire hydrants, and other traffic violations do not bode well.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:51 AM Sherree Says:

I would also like you all to note that when you help a person up from the ground you do so by their forearms or elbows, never by the wrist. Pulling a person by the wrist, especially an elder person can cause a fracture. Two officers should have assisted him to stand. You can clearly hear him ask to be told why he is being arrested in a very non-confrontational manner while he is being yelled at by the officer who says "you are resisting me, you are resisting me" and he says "wait a second" and turns to the other officers and says "i only asked him why he is arresting me and why he is arresting me" Then he begs them "Please don't arrest me 'today' I was only on my way to the synagogue, please don't arrest me, please don't arrest me. He is not yelling, the officer is doing all the yelling and resisting. The officer is resisting to tell him why he is being arrested and asked to stand up. This is pure and simple harassment caught on video tape. I am appalled as should everyone be. Anyone who can't see this is clearly blinded by their yetzer horah.

He clearly asked for a supervisor to come. It is clear as a bell as he is escorted to the car.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 10:56 AM Sherree Says:

He clearly asks for a supervisor, he says it is the anniversary of his father's death and he must pray in the synagogue and then you clearly hear him say a few times "Your pulling my hand, you're breaking it".

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:04 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #43  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why is this even a story? Where is he being "manhandled"? Where is the "aggressive arrest"? The guy is resisting the officers when they clearly are trying to arrest him. You do not challenge officers who made up the decision to arrest you. You can call your lawyer later, but at that moment you comply with the cops, especially when you're outnumbered and your foolish efforts to resist them is futile. They never punched him, they never, tasered him, they never used a baton on him, they never threw him to the ground, they never pepper sprayed him or took him into head lock. By the way this tzadik was behaving himself, it looks like there was probable cause for why so many cops needed to respond to arrest this guy who was minding his business and obstructing police work with his wise opinions.

Being late to yom tovs is not a constitutionally protected right to violate traffic laws or being excused from being pulled over by the police. You are not above the law until moshiach comes. Until then, avoid drawing suspicion to yourself by obeying laws and avoid cops. Too many frum Jews feel like NYPD must treat them with special set of rules as if they are diplomats with immunity.

When you give your title as enlightened do you mean non-orhodox or there is a light bulb over your head???? When do you suggest he could have called his lawyer later on a three day Yom Tov? Sunday? You didn't see manhandling, then you didn't watch carefully, that's a pity, you should have.

Let me explain to the enlightened one. Aggressive arrest:
1. 7 against 1 for starters.
2. Knocking down into the bushes
3. Denying his right to free speech
4. Refusing to inform him why he is being arrested
5. Grabbing him by his wrist to drag him to a standing position, especially for an elderly man.
6. (should i keep going? OK I will) Yelling at him instead of speaking in a normal and respective tone of voice.
7. Responding to his question of why he is being arrested in order to get him to comply and to calm the situation. That is what a cop is supposed to do, diffuse the situation and not arrest anyone if they can help it. THIS is NOT a police state.
8. Dragging him into the car and forcing him to desecrate his religion, in this country there is such a thing as freedom of religion. He did not commit a crime, nor did he hit anyone, nor was he carrying any weapon.
9. To be continued...

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:09 AM TruthBeTold Says:

I do believe in law and order, and Jews should obey the laws of the country. However its extremely unlikely that the Jewish man arrested was any threat to the criminals dressed in police uniforms. We do have a constitution which supposedly allows freedom of speech.

We are living under a parasitic leftist regime which targets the decent law abiding citizens while allowing millions of illegal alien criminals to brazenly trample on the country's laws.

The criminals in police uniforms find Orthodox Jews easy pickings to meet their arrest quotas, knowing full well that arresting "minorities" may result in sudden death from a bullet.

Google "new york city" arrest quotas.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
enlightened-yid Says:

Why is this even a story? Where is he being "manhandled"? Where is the "aggressive arrest"? The guy is resisting the officers when they clearly are trying to arrest him. You do not challenge officers who made up the decision to arrest you. You can call your lawyer later, but at that moment you comply with the cops, especially when you're outnumbered and your foolish efforts to resist them is futile. They never punched him, they never, tasered him, they never used a baton on him, they never threw him to the ground, they never pepper sprayed him or took him into head lock. By the way this tzadik was behaving himself, it looks like there was probable cause for why so many cops needed to respond to arrest this guy who was minding his business and obstructing police work with his wise opinions.

Being late to yom tovs is not a constitutionally protected right to violate traffic laws or being excused from being pulled over by the police. You are not above the law until moshiach comes. Until then, avoid drawing suspicion to yourself by obeying laws and avoid cops. Too many frum Jews feel like NYPD must treat them with special set of rules as if they are diplomats with immunity.

9) Refused his right to speak to a supervisor under the unusual circumstances.
10) pulled his arm where he was complaining that he felt they were breaking it.
11) Kept him locked up overnight without charges in jail to keep him from celebrating his religious holiday and enjoying his religious freedom.

"They never punched him, they never, tasered him, they never used a baton on him, they never threw him to the ground, they never pepper sprayed him or took him into head lock." Yeah, but they did, they knocked him down into the bushes without cause. Refer back to the eyewitness accounts.

As far as his wise opinions are concerned, since you know so much and are Hashem's judge this week, what were they it wasn't quoted in the article. And BTW, as far as the motorist was concerned, cops do let people off with a warning. Ever hear of that? There was no need for the cops to act this way. Would they treat goyim this way Christmas Eve or New Years? And Happy New Year to New York's finest, oops not any more, it is cops like these that ruin the reputation of the true heros of the city!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:15 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

And if this were a Black guy being arrested, you would be siding with the police.

Do you know me? How can you make that statement if you don't know who I am or what I do? Woa, you are really on a roll aren't you? Click, click, click Hashem has his own cameras, don't forget!!! Everything gets written down. We don't know who you are, but he does. Watch out, your yetzer horah is showing.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:27 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #48  
Solomon Says:

To Sherree: The fact of the matter is that cops do not like having their authority verbally questioned; it tends to provoke them. It is the same thing when a motorist is stopped by a cop, for a moving violation. If a motorist keeps his/her cool, they may get off with a warning. However, if a motorist starts mouthing off, you can be assured that they will receive a ticket. Cases such as this should be settled in court, and not on the street. In lieu of the circumstances, the cops handled the situation very professionally using a minimum of force, as they did not shove or manhandle the Chassidic, as was the case with Mr. Shick in Borough Park in 2006. Also, it would have been a disaster if they decided to walk to the police precinct station house, as they might have been surrounded by a mob of residents, and the situation would have escalated out of control. According to Halacha, we have a greater obligation to obey the laws of the country, which we live in. Speeding through the city streets, going through stop signs, excessive honking of horns, double and triple parking, blocking driveways and fire hydrants, and other traffic violations do not bode well.

To Solomon: The fact of the matter is, these cops are out there throwing their weight around before their authority is questioned. Read what the people in the community are saying. THESE cops and this precinct have made a name for themselves in their bias and lack of respect of the community they work in. It has nothing to do with their authority being questioned. Anyone has a right to make a kind and civil request. No one was yelling or rioting at the cops. Polite verbal requests are NOT verbally questioning the cops authority. Let us NOT take this out of proportion as the cops did. Let us at least use the common sense that Hashem gave us. Cops are supposed to diffuse situations and not cause them. They knew perfectly well that this old man was heading to the synagogue right there on the block. It was the cop who's temper was out of control and should have allowed another officer to handle the situation. Lets see how that is done.
Option #1, ignore the old man
Option #2, ignore the old man
Option #3, have someone else who is not already angered speak to the man.
Option #4, another cop should have tried to cool him off, speak to the man and tell him not to interfere

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:53 AM si girl Says:

Reply to #26  
Sherree Belsky Says:

Obviously is is YOU who is not using his head. Firstly the guy that was late made a mistake in his desperation to get home in time. Secondly, the cops should know better and show some leniency on the Yomim Tovim. Thirdly, it was a bystander the cops decided to teach a lesson to, which they could have walked to the station and not forced to be mechalel Yom Tov. Obviously showing no respect and no sensitivity to the neighborhood and people they are supposed to serve. If this would have happened to a Black in the neighborhood it would have caused a riot. Lets not be so politically correct right now. There was no reason for 6 police officers to act this way, they should have called down a sergeant with a cooler head. Every one of these officers should be suspended for a week and moved to a different district.

I agree with you 100%

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:48 AM Anger Management Classes for Cops Says:

It's no secret that the psychological profile of most Police Officers reason to want to be a cop is that they psychologically seek a legal way to express their base urge for power and aggression etc.

It's also no secret that most cops are not capable of controlling their anger in a civil way when they are insulted or if their authority is questioned in an accusatory manner.

Most cops are very power hungry and they mistakenly feel very confident about their ability to abuse anyone and everyone who is not a cop and get away with it because of the unwritten law of silence where virtually all cops cover for each others crimes.

Except for the extremely rare occasion where there is video evidence to prove the cops are guilty of behaving like thugs-with-a-license, they usually always get away with it because their fellow cops will outright lie to make up false stories that the innocent victim deserved the excessive force for some false reason.

Virtually every cop can be caught and arrested if a STING against cops "tested them" by deliberately insulting them and then see if the cops were capable of anger management to behave like cops or like criminals. 99.99% of all cops would fail the Test

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:38 AM Sherree Says:

It is obvious that I am very upset about this. It is probably also obvious that I am upset that more of you are NOT upset about this and are trying to find fault with the Chabad community. Shame on you, especially during the month of Tishrei, Aseres Yimei Teshuva, Tzom Gedalia and you are so blinded and so quick to find fault with an innocent elder Yid. It truly breaks my heart. It scares me that in NYC the cops can get away with this. It scares me more that many of you do not see anything wrong with this.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 11:34 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #48  
Solomon Says:

To Sherree: The fact of the matter is that cops do not like having their authority verbally questioned; it tends to provoke them. It is the same thing when a motorist is stopped by a cop, for a moving violation. If a motorist keeps his/her cool, they may get off with a warning. However, if a motorist starts mouthing off, you can be assured that they will receive a ticket. Cases such as this should be settled in court, and not on the street. In lieu of the circumstances, the cops handled the situation very professionally using a minimum of force, as they did not shove or manhandle the Chassidic, as was the case with Mr. Shick in Borough Park in 2006. Also, it would have been a disaster if they decided to walk to the police precinct station house, as they might have been surrounded by a mob of residents, and the situation would have escalated out of control. According to Halacha, we have a greater obligation to obey the laws of the country, which we live in. Speeding through the city streets, going through stop signs, excessive honking of horns, double and triple parking, blocking driveways and fire hydrants, and other traffic violations do not bode well.

Option # 5, put the cuffs on him and then ignore him for 5 minutes and then have another officer walk him to the synagogue, take the cuffs off and tell him to have Good New Year, but not to interfere next time.

Solomon it is NOT only the responsibility of the motorist to keep their cool but also of a police officer. An officer who does NOT keep his/her cool is extremely dangerous and should not be on the streets carrying weapons.

Solomon, you missed the point here, the motorist did NOT get arrested. An old man who was passing by and asked that they let the motorist go because it was New Year's got knocked to the ground, mistreated and arrested.

I don't remember the case of Mr. Shick, but the cops did NOT handle the situation professionally as I explained. You were more interested in answering me than reading the replies here and getting a real handle on the situation. The man arrested was obeying the laws and is a true ehrlich yid who was knocked to the ground for speaking, and would not be answered when asked why he was being arrested. He was pulled up by his one wrist and forced into a car on Yom Tov and was heard saying you are pulling my arm you are breaking it.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #54  
Sherree Says:

Do you know me? How can you make that statement if you don't know who I am or what I do? Woa, you are really on a roll aren't you? Click, click, click Hashem has his own cameras, don't forget!!! Everything gets written down. We don't know who you are, but he does. Watch out, your yetzer horah is showing.

I have read your statements regarding this video. It's absolutely clear that the man was resisting arrest throughout the entire 2 minutes of the video, yet you do not see it. You state that the black community would be rioting if it were one of theirs---how do you know what's in their heart? Your motzi shem rah on an entire group of people is appalling---they are Hashem's people, too.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 12:53 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #58  
Sherree Says:

It is obvious that I am very upset about this. It is probably also obvious that I am upset that more of you are NOT upset about this and are trying to find fault with the Chabad community. Shame on you, especially during the month of Tishrei, Aseres Yimei Teshuva, Tzom Gedalia and you are so blinded and so quick to find fault with an innocent elder Yid. It truly breaks my heart. It scares me that in NYC the cops can get away with this. It scares me more that many of you do not see anything wrong with this.

Dear Sherree,

I actually *agree* with your feelings about Crown Heights, and what's going on with the police over there. I made an earlier comment on here (#21) griping about it too. (lol)

But... your comments about "Blacks" are a little out of line! Why even bring them into this to make a point about the police's treatment of the Yidden?!

I'm not accusing you of *racism* here, so no need to jump to conclusions like you did w\another poster. Just making the case that your comment is rude or racially insensitive, doesn't mean people are outright calling you "racist".

But I'm just saying: making a blanket statement that if an African American got arrested like this, there would be another "riot" in Crown Heights... REALLY?! That's a bit much!

The police use excessive force against African Americans ALL THE TIME & it's an injustice that most Americans (non-African American) even agree with! Where have you been living most of your life?! (lol)

And yet... we don't see "blacks" everywhere rioting about it, do we?!

But I agree w\you whole-heartedly regarding what the police are doing to the Yid during the holidays because I have heard the reports of it myself! It's bad!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:30 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

I have read your statements regarding this video. It's absolutely clear that the man was resisting arrest throughout the entire 2 minutes of the video, yet you do not see it. You state that the black community would be rioting if it were one of theirs---how do you know what's in their heart? Your motzi shem rah on an entire group of people is appalling---they are Hashem's people, too.

I am not being motzi shem rah on anyone as you are on this elder Yid. It is NOT absolutely clear that he is resisting arrest. He said "one second" after several polite requests to please tell him why he was being arrested. Please note that he did not ask "why was I knocked down into the bushes". His only question was "why am I being arrested" although the other question would have also been valid. The officer was yelling while the man was speaking in a regular voice asking why he is being arrested. Yes he pulled his arm away but he said wait a second, please tell me why I am being arrested which he does have a right to know before he has handcuffs put on him. He was surrounded by 7 officers and more in the background what was the rush to put cuffs on him before this question was answered. Could it possibly be that there WAS NO ANSWER??? That is probably why the officer was angry and yelling, he had no response. The Yid was asking the other officers to intervene. As far as the black community they have proven themselves to respond this way. Maybe we should learn from them NOT to accept unacceptable behavior!

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:36 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

I have read your statements regarding this video. It's absolutely clear that the man was resisting arrest throughout the entire 2 minutes of the video, yet you do not see it. You state that the black community would be rioting if it were one of theirs---how do you know what's in their heart? Your motzi shem rah on an entire group of people is appalling---they are Hashem's people, too.

Sherry, please note that I said for no reason on their holiday in Crown Heights as the cops are doing to the Jews. The cops are searching out the Jews they can pick on. I am not racists and I judge each person on a one to one basis except for most Arabs who want to kill us as a general rule. But I am talking about the Crown Heights community where the cops themselves have made a division between the blacks and the Jews. It is not the Jews and the Blacks that made this distinction. I am sure that black and Jews both get tickets on a regular basis for normal infractions. But to not have common sense and increased sensitivity for normal good citizens whether blacks or Jews on their religious holiest of holidays would definitely bring a loud response from the black community and good for them. Could you imagine if an elderly black man on the way to church Christmas eve was treated this way, what would happen? Please lets be real about it and compare apples to apples. I am not being racist against blacks I am simply stating a fact that the cops in CH wouldn't never attempt that because they would fear the reaction.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 01:40 PM to all of u: Says:

I know the person arrested. He told me the whole story. He was trying to help another Jew. The cops stopped a yid driving without a seatbelt. It was close to RH. The victim asked the cops to let the yid go as it is a Jewish Holiday. The cops were aggressive to the victim and when the victim asked for the aggressive cops badge, the cop lost it. The victim was thrown to the ground, stepped on and arrested. The cops lied and said the victim broke the cops thumbs, and knocked the cop to the ground. The victim spent the night in jail, said Kaddish for his father while handcuffed to a post like a dog.

We need leadership to take action. These cops should be disciplined and the victim should be compensated. There was no reason for this. If the cops really cared about citizens they would help and not create situations to cause innocent people to suffer and do more to create animosity between citizens and cops.

Feels a little like Russia or early Germany.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 02:43 PM Ariela Says:

Reply to #64  
to all of u: Says:

I know the person arrested. He told me the whole story. He was trying to help another Jew. The cops stopped a yid driving without a seatbelt. It was close to RH. The victim asked the cops to let the yid go as it is a Jewish Holiday. The cops were aggressive to the victim and when the victim asked for the aggressive cops badge, the cop lost it. The victim was thrown to the ground, stepped on and arrested. The cops lied and said the victim broke the cops thumbs, and knocked the cop to the ground. The victim spent the night in jail, said Kaddish for his father while handcuffed to a post like a dog.

We need leadership to take action. These cops should be disciplined and the victim should be compensated. There was no reason for this. If the cops really cared about citizens they would help and not create situations to cause innocent people to suffer and do more to create animosity between citizens and cops.

Feels a little like Russia or early Germany.

Todah Rabah for telling the rest of the story. This needs to be arranged to be told an interview of the victim would be wise here.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 02:37 PM Ariela Says:

1 question???? THE CHASSID WAS ON THE GROUND WHEN THE VIDEO STARTED HOW DID HE GET THERE?
2.question???? WHY CHASSID SPOKE UP FOR ANOTHER IS THIS OBSTRUCTING ANYTHING?
3. question???? WHY CAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK OUT AND NOT THIS CHASSID ?
As far as I can see and understand from the article and video this man had not broken any law, he never obstructed justice to speak his thoughts, demands ect...
He never assaulted the police in any way.
He was not even in a vehicle and simply spoke his mind. Not against the law. Someone needs to call a constitutional attorney.
As far as crown hights being a police state, hmmm. na, simply some bad judgments are being made and certainly need to be brought to attention of all those involved. This poor mans rights have been violated.
And all you who say he should have minded his own business should remember this is not our way as Jews we are our brothers keeper. Orthodox,Reform, Conservative, we are all held by the worls outside us, as Jews. FACT.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

To Sherree: It is a good thing that you were not at that scene in Crown Heights, as we would have seen you on videotape being hauled away.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 03:06 PM SOLOMON Says:

Several months ago, there was a situation on Shabbos, whereby a Chassidic pedestrian was stopped by a cop from the 61st Precinct, for allegedly jaywalking on Kings Highway and E. 15th Street. The Chassidid's defense was that he crossed at the green light, but the light changed on him, while he was in the middle of the interesection. The cop wrote a ticket, and requested that it be signed. The Jew offered to walk with the cop to his home, which was a short distance away, in order to show proof of his identity. However, the cop refused, and threatened to arrest the Jew, if the ticket was not signed. In any event, a local City Councilman became involved, and eventually the cop in question was transferred out of the 61st Precinct to another precinct, and the jaywalking ticket was dismissed. I'm sure that a similar situation will occur in this case. However, we all have to be patient, as the wheels of justice in NYC do not turn very quickly. May I also add that it is a very bad practice to get into a verbal confrontation with any cop at any time, as some of them do not like Yidden, and will look for any excuse to arrest people, at the drop of a hat.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 07:51 PM CHJCC always T.L.s all the crooked cops Says:

The Big Machers in C.H. including the one who claims to be best buddy with the Meyor and with Hikind and the entire CH community council elected officers, all go with the line that no matter how much injustice is done by the cops, it's always their job to whitewash it and T.L. the cops because they fear that alienating the cops will make matters worse.

The "SHITA" of the CHJCC is not unlike the leftists in Israel, that no matter how bad the Palestinians are to the Yidden, they keep on T.L.ing them with more and more concessions with the false hope that by giving in to evil, you can appease the Kozak to make him be "no more Kozak"

The policy obviously never works but such is the ways of all of those who "bow their head" to a Goy instead of telling him to his face, the bold face truth which he needs to hear

The cops know this and so they know they can step all over Jews, right and left, as much as they want, and the official community council will still continue to flatter them with praise for stepping all over them because they fear not getting the street closed for Simchas Beis Hashoeva or fear not getting the additional Police Protection, should they dare to stand up to them

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 08:00 PM Darth_Zeidah Says:

Reply to #8  
to#3 Says:

the guy didnt do anything, all he did was ask the cops to let the other jew go, the cops in crown heights are acting like in germany, for years they stand near 770 on erev yom kipur and pull people over, it does not matter who the commander is, they hate the jews here, i am a resident of crown heights and i have seen it over and over again, they would not do it in bed stuy, this jew was not a threat to anyone, shame on ray kelly and his thugs

If our dear brothers in religion would only remember that they do not live in "Jewland", but rather in the United States of America. If only our dear brothers in religion would remember that the laws of the land apply to them as well such things would not happen.

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 Oct 02, 2011 at 08:07 PM Another Korbon Says:

I fear that this Chassid will have to be a Korbon because the powers that be (Kehila Policy Makers) usually prefer to leave individual victims of police brutality, out in the cold as a Korbon, even when the cops are clearly criminal, rather than the community risk loosing the extra additional preferential police protection they always get on Yom Tov.

The extra protection comes at a price. The cops are bored and their Sinas Yisroel is burning and the Rosh Hakohol will look the other way rather than stick up for the innocent Korbon.

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 Oct 03, 2011 at 11:48 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

To Sherree: It is a good thing that you were not at that scene in Crown Heights, as we would have seen you on videotape being hauled away.

LOL, probably!!! I am a second generation Holocaust survivor. My husband's family are the Bielski Partisans. WE don't take these anti-Semitic incidents lying down. If WE don't stand up for our fellow JEWS, as you can see from the other postings, who will. Unfortunately we can't rely on anyone but ourselves. We can't leave it to the goyim to be fair and reasonable to us. Look at our history. We have to be strong and vigilant and never allow anyone to treat us in a manner less than our constitutional rights allow.

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 Oct 03, 2011 at 11:50 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #68  
SOLOMON Says:

Several months ago, there was a situation on Shabbos, whereby a Chassidic pedestrian was stopped by a cop from the 61st Precinct, for allegedly jaywalking on Kings Highway and E. 15th Street. The Chassidid's defense was that he crossed at the green light, but the light changed on him, while he was in the middle of the interesection. The cop wrote a ticket, and requested that it be signed. The Jew offered to walk with the cop to his home, which was a short distance away, in order to show proof of his identity. However, the cop refused, and threatened to arrest the Jew, if the ticket was not signed. In any event, a local City Councilman became involved, and eventually the cop in question was transferred out of the 61st Precinct to another precinct, and the jaywalking ticket was dismissed. I'm sure that a similar situation will occur in this case. However, we all have to be patient, as the wheels of justice in NYC do not turn very quickly. May I also add that it is a very bad practice to get into a verbal confrontation with any cop at any time, as some of them do not like Yidden, and will look for any excuse to arrest people, at the drop of a hat.

Thank you for reminding me. Yes it was an incident in Flatbush and if he would have given in like many here say this old Yid should have, no one would have known about it, and the cop would not have been dealt with.

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 Oct 03, 2011 at 11:51 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #69  
CHJCC always T.L.s all the crooked cops Says:

The Big Machers in C.H. including the one who claims to be best buddy with the Meyor and with Hikind and the entire CH community council elected officers, all go with the line that no matter how much injustice is done by the cops, it's always their job to whitewash it and T.L. the cops because they fear that alienating the cops will make matters worse.

The "SHITA" of the CHJCC is not unlike the leftists in Israel, that no matter how bad the Palestinians are to the Yidden, they keep on T.L.ing them with more and more concessions with the false hope that by giving in to evil, you can appease the Kozak to make him be "no more Kozak"

The policy obviously never works but such is the ways of all of those who "bow their head" to a Goy instead of telling him to his face, the bold face truth which he needs to hear

The cops know this and so they know they can step all over Jews, right and left, as much as they want, and the official community council will still continue to flatter them with praise for stepping all over them because they fear not getting the street closed for Simchas Beis Hashoeva or fear not getting the additional Police Protection, should they dare to stand up to them

All the more reason to keep publicizing the injustices.

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 Oct 03, 2011 at 11:55 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #71  
Another Korbon Says:

I fear that this Chassid will have to be a Korbon because the powers that be (Kehila Policy Makers) usually prefer to leave individual victims of police brutality, out in the cold as a Korbon, even when the cops are clearly criminal, rather than the community risk loosing the extra additional preferential police protection they always get on Yom Tov.

The extra protection comes at a price. The cops are bored and their Sinas Yisroel is burning and the Rosh Hakohol will look the other way rather than stick up for the innocent Korbon.

This is what you call protection? The neighbors would have protected them better. This YID should sue the city for $2,000,000. He should seek out a lawyer immediately and every single Jewish newspaper and decent newspaper should carry the story until this cop is removed from the neighborhood and we see change.

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 Feb 25, 2012 at 12:44 AM amband Says:

Reply to #72  
Sherree Says:

LOL, probably!!! I am a second generation Holocaust survivor. My husband's family are the Bielski Partisans. WE don't take these anti-Semitic incidents lying down. If WE don't stand up for our fellow JEWS, as you can see from the other postings, who will. Unfortunately we can't rely on anyone but ourselves. We can't leave it to the goyim to be fair and reasonable to us. Look at our history. We have to be strong and vigilant and never allow anyone to treat us in a manner less than our constitutional rights allow.

the " H" has nothing to do with this, and it wasn't an " anti semitic " incident

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