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Lakewood, NJ - Thanksgiving might be just another day on the road for school bus drivers in one New Jersey town.
Lakewood is asking drivers to work in order to transport 18,000 Orthodox Jewish students to and from their private schools in the township.
The schools previously waived their right to busing on Thanksgiving.
But Lakewood school board attorney Michael Inzelbuch tells the Asbury Park Press (http://on.app.com/rJkBDz ) no such waiver has been offered. Inzelbuch says he continues to see whether the schools would be flexible about busing on the holiday.
Rabbi Moshe Weisberg told the newspaper carpooling has become a safety issue because the Orthodox community has grown.
Inzelbuch says he would personally pay to provide a pumpkin pie or dessert to the bus drivers who work on Thanksgiving.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 08:56 AM Moish Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why should they work on a holiday? Jews get off on all their holidays and they add up more than non Jewish holidays. Parents should figure out a way how to get their kids to school and let the drivers take off. Will Inzelbuch work on his holiday if someone were to offer him a free cholent?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 08:56 AM BigMo Says:Report as Inappropriate
Pumpkin pies? Really ? Why is he making fun of them by offering them pie? Let him pay time and a half
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:05 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why can't the parents carpool on this day? Are they too spoiled by busing? Every community outside NY and NJ does not get busing from the city and they must either pay for private busing or carpool. Just because they have a high population??? So on these secular holidays make all the families leave for school 10 minutes earlier to be prepared for traffic. Or hire your own private bus at parent's expense. It is a legal holiday and like it or not, you are in a secular country. Are they going to make the drivers work on december 25th? January 1st? what chuztpah!
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why aren't the Lakewood Schools closed on what is a non-religious American holiday....are the schools open or closed on Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day? I can see Christmas being an issue but we are in the USA..time to teach and celebrate the meaning of our holidays when religion is not an issue.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:12 AM Ahuvah54 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Time and a half is a good start, but it doesn't solve the problem. It should be voluntary.
Not everyone has family or a destination on Thanksgiving, and maybe those people should be invited to drive. (and given a breathalyzer test first).
You can't take Thanksgiving away from the American public; This is a mistake and is *NOT* a kiddush Hashem. Quite the opposite.
It's one of those times Yidden need to remember that this is Golus and adjust the yeshivah day accordingly. Maybe organize bigger carpools, maybe decentralize the Yeshivah learning.
Maybe have kids call in.
And maybe think about the problem much earlier in the year, next time.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Sad that he doesnt realize how offensive he sounds, offering some pie to the drivers.
Immensely disrespectful.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:13 AM Reb Yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Pumpkin pies? Really ? Why is he making fun of them by offering them pie? Let him pay time and a half ”
I thought it went without saying that they would be paid overtime.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:14 AM Reb Yid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why should they work on a holiday? Jews get off on all their holidays and they add up more than non Jewish holidays. Parents should figure out a way how to get their kids to school and let the drivers take off. Will Inzelbuch work on his holiday if someone were to offer him a free cholent? ”
A shul rov does "work" on his holiday.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:22 AM Mark Levin Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Pumpkin pies? Really ? Why is he making fun of them by offering them pie? Let him pay time and a half ”
Don't be foolish, they are probably unionized which means they will get time & a half or even double time.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:31 AM G Says:Report as Inappropriate
It is the law in NJ, all children are entitled to busing whoever school is in session. The bus drivers will work just like all retail employes, cops etc.
They should stop whining, they knew this b4 they took the job and they should be thankful that they are employed.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:33 AM Longbeach Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is not right, the same way the city school bus transportation does not provide transportation to Yeshiva students on Legal Holidays in Brooklyn and every other city in America, they should not have to in Lakewood. The same way they deal with Sunday, where there is no city transportation, they should deal with Thanksgiving.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:41 AM Raphael_Kaufman Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Pumpkin pies? Really ? Why is he making fun of them by offering them pie? Let him pay time and a half ”
Make that double time and a half. That's holiday pay. Better, what's wrong with giving the kids a day off too?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:42 AM thinkabtit Says:Report as Inappropriate
Such a chillul Hashem. I've never understood it. We demand off for every yom tov and their two or three days they want off, they need to work. How do we excuse it to them?
At my husbands job, the workers protested to get off EARLY, for new years and were denied.
And we, are the ones that are forever screaming "discrimination". !?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:46 AM RachelJD Says:Report as Inappropriate
I can just imagine the screams if Jewish employees were asked to work on a Jewish holidays especially if offered just a piece of kuge; for their efforts
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:58 AM Rebyid40 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Frum arrogance apparently knows no bounds. What would frum Lakewood parents say if they were asked to work chol hamoed? Unfortunately, we create anti-semitism with our daily actions. Respect and we'll be respected.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:17 AM yungerman1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why should they work on a holiday? Jews get off on all their holidays and they add up more than non Jewish holidays. Parents should figure out a way how to get their kids to school and let the drivers take off. Will Inzelbuch work on his holiday if someone were to offer him a free cholent? ”
Because they get off on all of the Jewish Holidays which is a lot more than the non Jewish holidays. September thru June has AT LEAST the following days off..
Rosh Hashana- 3 Days
Yom Kippur- 2 Days
Sukkos- 11 Days
Chanuka -2 Days
Purim- 2 Days
Pesach- 10 Days
Shavuos- 3 Days
TOTAL- 33 Days. Non Jewish Holidays are far fewer. Think before you speak.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM Chaim Says:Report as Inappropriate
very insensitive. Will increase antisemitism
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Let the Jewish community be flexible - this is a national holiday and they should not be asked to work. And the truth is it is not a religious holiday and if you live in this country and take advantage of everything in this country, perhaps the Yeshivos could close and show their appreciation and respect.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:Report as Inappropriate
I stand with my brothers and sisters on almost all issues. This particular one, however, nauseates me. The sense of entitlement, the mentality of laziness and irresponsibility to one's own self and family, the notion that select others should be coerced to work on a holiday but a different group should have their holidays respected (then again, who works in Lakewood?), and perhaps most offensive of all the condescending statement about the pies. Go ahead call me a self-hating Jew. You disgust me.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
There is no issue of bitul torah when you are honoring the golden medinah and giving thanks for all the wonderful things the yidden of Lakewood have been given. They should close the yeshivot and tell the parents to spend time with their children teaching them a bit about American history and religious freedom (which was the origin of the Thanksgiving holiday).
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:41 AM DB_from_LI Says:Report as Inappropriate
Wow, and we wonder why the world has the idea that the jews rule the world! This just feeds into it. If it's a child welfare issue JUST CLOSE SCHOOL! That would be a bigger Kiddush Hashem then turning off even one driver who now has to work on his holiday.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Such hypocrisy. There was a time when Agudah would serve TURKEY at their annual convention that takes place on Thanksgiving Day Weekend.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:48 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
What next? Lakewooders will demand that bus drivers drive their kinderluch on X-mas and New Years Day?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:52 AM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
Frum nonsense.
Carpooling a safety issue?
Let people learn the rules of driving instead of cheating their way through drivers education and exam.
This mentality abounds when a frum community has little or no proffesional employment outside the 'Shtetl". They assume they will be given time off for Yom Tov because they are in chinuch or work in Jewish institutions, if they work at all.
For those who work, (especially outside of frum circles) one knows the difficulty and struggels of taking off Yom tov not to mention Chol hamoed. It is the height of impudence to demand Jewish holidays off, parking rules suspended, and demand the goy work 24/7/365.
Simple solutions: 1) Make school half a day on thanksgiving (limudei Kodesh only)
2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards
3) Give everybody off, after all if it's Sakana to drive to school, people can lean to be useless and arrogant at home.
4) hire Yiddishe bus drivers for a day.
5) Learn Derech Eretz ...
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Nov 16, 2011 at 11:15 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
All this hatred of Lakewooders is misplaced. Unfortunately, its the larger mindset of frum yidden of an entitlement that is so pervasive wherever there are large blocks of chareidi families who insist that there own minhagim must take priority over anything else, even if it offends and inconveniences others. The Lakewood and BMG tzibur's behavior on many issues is unfortunately the norm. Since so many of the stores are staying open on Thanksgiving this year, why not take the yinglach to the stores and do your chanukah shopping early.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 11:30 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Frum nonsense.
Carpooling a safety issue?
Let people learn the rules of driving instead of cheating their way through drivers education and exam.
This mentality abounds when a frum community has little or no proffesional employment outside the 'Shtetl". They assume they will be given time off for Yom Tov because they are in chinuch or work in Jewish institutions, if they work at all.
For those who work, (especially outside of frum circles) one knows the difficulty and struggels of taking off Yom tov not to mention Chol hamoed. It is the height of impudence to demand Jewish holidays off, parking rules suspended, and demand the goy work 24/7/365.
Simple solutions: 1) Make school half a day on thanksgiving (limudei Kodesh only)
2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards
3) Give everybody off, after all if it's Sakana to drive to school, people can lean to be useless and arrogant at home.
4) hire Yiddishe bus drivers for a day.
5) Learn Derech Eretz ... ”
I find it interesting that of the 24 responses so far, only 1 has suggested having "Yiddishe bus drivers". In communities where parents actually work for a living, the yeshivas have off or half day because it's a non-Yom Tov where parents can actually spend time with their kids. Maybe some of these frummer-than-thou communities should consider that.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 12:08 PM Darth_Zeidah Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Frum nonsense.
Carpooling a safety issue?
Let people learn the rules of driving instead of cheating their way through drivers education and exam.
This mentality abounds when a frum community has little or no proffesional employment outside the 'Shtetl". They assume they will be given time off for Yom Tov because they are in chinuch or work in Jewish institutions, if they work at all.
For those who work, (especially outside of frum circles) one knows the difficulty and struggels of taking off Yom tov not to mention Chol hamoed. It is the height of impudence to demand Jewish holidays off, parking rules suspended, and demand the goy work 24/7/365.
Simple solutions: 1) Make school half a day on thanksgiving (limudei Kodesh only)
2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards
3) Give everybody off, after all if it's Sakana to drive to school, people can lean to be useless and arrogant at home.
4) hire Yiddishe bus drivers for a day.
5) Learn Derech Eretz ... ”
"2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards"
Why? Are the girls less worthy of the benefits of חינוך?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 11:36 AM liverpool Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Because they get off on all of the Jewish Holidays which is a lot more than the non Jewish holidays. September thru June has AT LEAST the following days off..
Rosh Hashana- 3 Days
Yom Kippur- 2 Days
Sukkos- 11 Days
Chanuka -2 Days
Purim- 2 Days
Pesach- 10 Days
Shavuos- 3 Days
TOTAL- 33 Days. Non Jewish Holidays are far fewer. Think before you speak. ”
Rosh Hashana - 2 days (Thu,Fri)
Yom Kippur - none (Saturday)
Succos - 4 days (Thu, Fri * 2)
Chanukka - huh ?
Purim - 1 day at most
Pesach - 4 days (Tue, Wed, Mon, Tue)
Shavuos - 2 days (Wed, Thu)
This is the reality of Jewish workplace, at least in the US and wherever else Saturday and Sunday are mandatory "off" days. 13 days. If you can get Arvei Yo"T - good for you. But by no means mandatory. Falls well within the 2 weeks standard paid vacation, which every decent (gentile) workplace will give their workers. Plus "personal days", and not counting the sick days, which are meant for those actually sick.
So no, mon ami, Jewish calendar isn't in any way a burden upon the system. The fact that Catholics choose to work on their chogas (a sin in their books) is between them and the Pope and has nothing to do with Judenrat's cowtowing to their freie brethren' twisted understanding of Chillul Hashem.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 11:50 AM 5towns Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Because they get off on all of the Jewish Holidays which is a lot more than the non Jewish holidays. September thru June has AT LEAST the following days off..
Rosh Hashana- 3 Days
Yom Kippur- 2 Days
Sukkos- 11 Days
Chanuka -2 Days
Purim- 2 Days
Pesach- 10 Days
Shavuos- 3 Days
TOTAL- 33 Days. Non Jewish Holidays are far fewer. Think before you speak. ”
If Lakewood bussing works anything like the 5 towns (and for economic reasons we have to assume it is similar) then the drivers first drive the public school kids to school and then do the yeshiva routes or vice versa. They don't only transport private school kids. So they don't have off the Yeshiva holidays they just drive fewer routes.
And almost all retail stores are closed as well, those who are open give double pay generally.
I think they can manage to carpool for the few days that the Americans want to stay home.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
And the saddest thing about all this is that they are shameless and see nothing wrong with it. Bishvil Lakewood Nivra Ha'olam. Inzelbuch, I can tell exactly where to stick that piece of pumpkin pie.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I find it interesting that of the 24 responses so far, only 1 has suggested having "Yiddishe bus drivers". In communities where parents actually work for a living, the yeshivas have off or half day because it's a non-Yom Tov where parents can actually spend time with their kids. Maybe some of these frummer-than-thou communities should consider that. ”
How can you get a heter for yiddeshe bus drivers to work on yom tovim that come out on weekdays when the public schools are open or there are other needs for using th school buses. Also, school bus drivers in Lakewood are also part of the backup emergecny plan for evacuation in the event of some problem at one of the nearby nuclear plants. I think it would be a great idea to hire unemployed yidden as bus drivers but they have to be flexible and not worry about missing the z'man for davening some days or driving on shabbos/yom tov in an emergency.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM sane Says:Report as Inappropriate
Perhaps we ought to learn from this Holiday. We should be overwhelmed with emotions of gratitude, thanking the USA for the freedom and opportunity it has afforded the Jewish people. Indeed, Our Rabbis call this Hakaras Hatov - a lesson quite obviously lost on Inzelbuch. Shame on you all!
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Nov 16, 2011 at 01:13 PM Meir Says:Report as Inappropriate
You want to know the chillul hashem? Look at the comments in the Nov 15 Asbury Park Press. Sadly, many are correct.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 01:15 PM Raphael_Kaufman Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards"
Why? Are the girls less worthy of the benefits of חינוך? ”
See my post above. Give all the kids the day off.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 01:16 PM PrettyBoyFloyd Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why are all you benchkvetchers attacking the Lakewood parents???? It's NJ law that they work on thanksgiving. Did a Jew write the law? The busdrivers can go protest the legislator to chage the law, or get a different job!
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Nov 16, 2011 at 01:39 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "2) Give the girls time off- less carpooling hazards"
Why? Are the girls less worthy of the benefits of חינוך? ”
No, but girls are not obligated to study Tora. Certainly if there is danger in driving them to school.
Truthfully, if this is what they teach and how they behave they would benefit from a day off.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 01:52 PM Tzi_Bar_David Says:Report as Inappropriate
Thanksgiving is a Federal holiday, just like President's Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day and Labor Day (X-mas and Jan 1st) how do the folks in Lakewood handle the bus situation on those days?...it's really no different. If the goyische drivers are offered enough "Turkeyday gelt" they will work (...of course the question then becomes why should the town have to foot the bill?)
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Nov 16, 2011 at 03:55 PM ShmuelG Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Why aren't the Lakewood Schools closed on what is a non-religious American holiday....are the schools open or closed on Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day? I can see Christmas being an issue but we are in the USA..time to teach and celebrate the meaning of our holidays when religion is not an issue. ”
"are the schools open or closed on Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day?"
Where have you been all your life? All good schools are open on Memorial day, also Labor day and 4th of July when not during bein hazmanim.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 04:15 PM Secular Says:Report as Inappropriate
#37
It's not all about the money.
People expect to have thanksgiving off!
What about if people gave you Shabbos Guelt, would you work on Shabbos?
What's your price? time and a half? double time?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 05:22 PM Aloofknaz Says:Report as Inappropriate
Although I do feel bad for my children's driver, it is not my fault he is being made to work on Thanksgiving.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 05:35 PM sandymoos Says:Report as Inappropriate
Does the 110 bus run on Shabbos?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 05:58 PM missyid Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ "are the schools open or closed on Memorial Day, July 4th, Labor Day?"
Where have you been all your life? All good schools are open on Memorial day, also Labor day and 4th of July when not during bein hazmanim. ”
Are you referring to elementary schools? I do not even know one elementary school that is in session after June something because of summer vacation - certainly not open on July 4th. In addition - what does "all good schools" mean. My kids go to a very good school and it is not open on Memorial day, nor is it open on Labor day.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 06:13 PM lady busdriver Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Time and a half is a good start, but it doesn't solve the problem. It should be voluntary.
Not everyone has family or a destination on Thanksgiving, and maybe those people should be invited to drive. (and given a breathalyzer test first).
You can't take Thanksgiving away from the American public; This is a mistake and is *NOT* a kiddush Hashem. Quite the opposite.
It's one of those times Yidden need to remember that this is Golus and adjust the yeshivah day accordingly. Maybe organize bigger carpools, maybe decentralize the Yeshivah learning.
Maybe have kids call in.
And maybe think about the problem much earlier in the year, next time. ”
We get few enough days as it is. I go from labor day through pesach with no significant consecutive days off. i'm entitled to an extended vacation. our days usualy go from 6:00 to 10:00 a.m. (depending on the route) and from 1:30 - 7:00 p.m. Come on and give us a break.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 06:18 PM lady bus driver Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Time and a half is a good start, but it doesn't solve the problem. It should be voluntary.
Not everyone has family or a destination on Thanksgiving, and maybe those people should be invited to drive. (and given a breathalyzer test first).
You can't take Thanksgiving away from the American public; This is a mistake and is *NOT* a kiddush Hashem. Quite the opposite.
It's one of those times Yidden need to remember that this is Golus and adjust the yeshivah day accordingly. Maybe organize bigger carpools, maybe decentralize the Yeshivah learning.
Maybe have kids call in.
And maybe think about the problem much earlier in the year, next time. ”
We are entiteled to a day off. especially those drivers who do both public and private schools (regardless of religion since they run on different schedules.) except the week of pesach, the companies never shut down for vacation except for legal holidays. give the managers, the safety supervisors and most importantly, the dispatchers the day off. oh, and throw in the mechanics as well.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 06:57 PM Paulie123 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Because they get off on all of the Jewish Holidays which is a lot more than the non Jewish holidays. September thru June has AT LEAST the following days off..
Rosh Hashana- 3 Days
Yom Kippur- 2 Days
Sukkos- 11 Days
Chanuka -2 Days
Purim- 2 Days
Pesach- 10 Days
Shavuos- 3 Days
TOTAL- 33 Days. Non Jewish Holidays are far fewer. Think before you speak. ”
This has nothing to do with how many days they get off. It has all to do with consistency. If Jews get off on their holidays, non Jews should be allowed to get off on theirs
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Nov 16, 2011 at 06:31 PM RachelJD Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Although I do feel bad for my children's driver, it is not my fault he is being made to work on Thanksgiving. ”
I am saddened by your attitude of entitlement and lack or responsibility. Thanksgiving is a legal holiday. What about respecting the country that gives you such blessings. You would scream bloody murder if required to work on a Jewish holiday and probably go to court to sue to enforce your "rights". This "who cares about the goyim" attitude on the part of so many frum jews creates resentment against ALL Jews.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 07:34 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ This has nothing to do with how many days they get off. It has all to do with consistency. If Jews get off on their holidays, non Jews should be allowed to get off on theirs ”
Except you can not make that argument for Thanksgiving as it is not specific to "non Jews". It is just an American, secular, nationally recognized Holiday not particular to any one religion. That being said, I think Jews have a sense of entitlement. If the Jews need to get their kids to school on this nationally recognized day off then the bus company "must" work for them. That's a bit pathetic.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 08:17 PM wondering Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Because they get off on all of the Jewish Holidays which is a lot more than the non Jewish holidays. September thru June has AT LEAST the following days off..
Rosh Hashana- 3 Days
Yom Kippur- 2 Days
Sukkos- 11 Days
Chanuka -2 Days
Purim- 2 Days
Pesach- 10 Days
Shavuos- 3 Days
TOTAL- 33 Days. Non Jewish Holidays are far fewer. Think before you speak. ”
Um maybe you should think before you speak - first of all many drivers drive two shifts - Yeshivas have different time schedules and many drive a Yeshiva route as well as another route each day (at least in some communities). Also, this is not about how many days a year they have off, it is about having off on THEIR holiday. If you worked 6 months out of the year would you agree to work on a Jewish Holiday becuse your job was so "easy" the rest of the time?
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Nov 16, 2011 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Although I do feel bad for my children's driver, it is not my fault he is being made to work on Thanksgiving. ”
no but you can say thank you with a big smile and offer some sort of home made treat.
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Nov 16, 2011 at 10:45 PM oiber-chacham Says:Report as Inappropriate
what a disgusting thing to do,trying to force gentiles to work on their holiday's,
unfortunately we frum jews have absolutely no respect for our non jewish neighbours and their holydays
and then we wonder,how come we are disliked and there is antisemitism,
being that thanksgiving day is a national and not a religious holyday,us jews should celebrate it together with all Americans,we realy have what to be thankful for, this wonderfull country,that took us in,and gave us all the rights and opportunities,this is a MALCHUS SHEL CHESED.
the spanish and potuguese synagogue,which is an orthodox shul,years ago had the MINHAG to say HALLEL (without a bracha) on thanksgiving day,in my opinion they were 1000% right,we should all do it
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Nov 17, 2011 at 08:28 AM DB_from_LI Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Although I do feel bad for my children's driver, it is not my fault he is being made to work on Thanksgiving. ”
Sorry Aloof, it is! When Kavod Habrios loses we all are at fault. If you live in that district and put your kid on the bus next Thursday then you're condoning a terrible decision. My kids are getting carpooled.
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Nov 17, 2011 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
I saw this story on the 11 pm news last night where several locals were interviewed. I did not come away with the feeling that there is respect for an American holiday created to give thanks for all that we enjoy here. Remember ..as with other major holidays (except Christmas) they are American celebrations and not religion based. As I asked on post #4 why are the schools open on such an important day?
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Nov 17, 2011 at 01:48 PM RachelJD Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is being reported on more and more local and non-local news media. The comments by non-Jewish residents are not kind, and rightfully so.. The general gist is "they demand their holidays off, but dont feel they have to respect other's"
I monitor hate websites and was dismayed to see the story picked up by a Neo-Nazi website. The neo-nazis need no reason to hate us, but this situation gave them more fodder for their hatred