Jerusalem – In Photos-Video: Charedim, Israeli Police Clash In Beit Shemesh

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    Ultra orthodox jewish men clash with Israeli police in the city of Beit Shemesh, Dec 26, 2011. Tempers in Beit Shemesh ran high Monday, following the growing demand to crack down on radical religious elements that are demanding stricter enforcement of segregation between the sexes in the city. Photo by Kobi Gideon / Flash90.Jerusalem – A police officer was wounded as clashes erupted between ultra-Orthodox Jews and Israel police on Monday in two separate neighborhoods in Beit Shemesh.
    Two residents were also arrested in the clashes.

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    Approximately 300 ultra-Orthodox Jews began chasing police officers, hurled rocks at them, and burned trashcans after police were called to remove a sign on a main street that orders the separation of men and women in the neighborhood. The sign has been removed and re-instated several times over the past two days.

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    itzik18
    itzik18
    12 years ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the spitters etc were placed by the government as an excuse to take down the signs and cause strife

    MAYERFREUND
    MAYERFREUND
    12 years ago

    I don’t understand why the Israeli police have to force the religious Jew to become non religious? Why can’t they let them live the way they want?

    bubii
    bubii
    12 years ago

    this is a real tragedy no one should be able to dictate his lifes choice on others this is a no brainer end of story.

    12 years ago

    Sure way to be mekadesh shem shomayim and be mekarev the rest of klall yisroel to yiddishkeit

    YOELYG
    YOELYG
    12 years ago

    Now you see who making the provcations,,,, the police officers, why they coming removing the signs & make fights? Its ther already for years

    Respect
    Respect
    12 years ago

    It’s about time the police came to town.

    aaronw
    aaronw
    12 years ago

    The thing that I always wonder is: Why do these zealots (I’m obv not referring to your typical Charedi) in Israel claim that the secular zionist government is so awful and equivalent to a goyish government, and then have the audacity to act against its agents in a way they would never act against a secular government in another country. In all the yiddishe stories of shtetl Jews in Europe, I’ve never heard of Jews throwing rocks at the Polish/Russian tax collectors (who I’m sure were far worse than Israeli soldiers). I also haven’t seen such actions in WIlliamsburg or New Square- I just find this interesting. Happy Channukah!

    PrettyBoyFloyd
    PrettyBoyFloyd
    12 years ago

    Sick disgusting people, following they’re own version of our Torah. I will not give another dollar to any Schnorer from Jerusalem or Beit Shemesh till this stops.

    shvitzer11559
    shvitzer11559
    12 years ago

    Beit Shemesh has a high percentage of teenagers “at risk” leaving the Torah way of life. Why are these thugs worries about the small problem and not the bigger issue of their brothers and sisters being mechalel shabbos, eatinge chazzer treif and dating arab woman.

    12 years ago

    Get an education, get a job, serve in the army (in any capacity) and become civilized.

    joeynathan
    joeynathan
    12 years ago

    with pictures like these , can one wonder why masheach has not come.

    Buchwalter
    Buchwalter
    12 years ago

    One plugat of golani soldier using batons and any other means would split a few skulls and the frime rowdiness would end fast

    british
    Active Member
    british
    12 years ago

    There are certain issues and topics not discussed in public and kept or talked about in discreet fashion and not necessarily religious issues, such as security protocols, public safety threats etc. as well as personal and religious topics and issues מפני שהצניעות יפה להן.

    The same should apply to requirements or wishes for any out of the norm behavior or standards (whether right or wrong) religious people apply and demand from themselves, no need to hang up those signs in public, it should be enough to discus and advise the community in internal forums, and for the 1 or 2 out of the community people that might show up and maybe walk on the wrong side, so be it, is it worth while to sacrifice the whole good (in the eye of the locals) for the few visitors who might stray ?

    madaan
    madaan
    12 years ago

    Ah yes, our lovely satmar friends…

    Please, Hashem, you have planted the seeds of genius in our people, who have in the past included Sabin and Salk, whose research helped eradicate polio. Please, Hashem, give us another genius who will find a cure for satmar disease (and while You are at it, please also let them find a cure for the Naturei Karta-oids as well).

    B”H

    (Meanwhile, while these demented imbeciles are spitting at innocent little girls, Iran is holding war game drills demonstrating all manner of weapons, and even taunting the US Navy in the Hormuz Strait.)

    lostinCA
    lostinCA
    12 years ago

    these demonstrators are destroying their own cause. the revulsion of the majority of frum yidden in EY to their tactics will lead to a backlash. the 90% frum crowd are going to agree with the seculars that we need to rein these meshugoyim in. then the gov’t will react strongly against everything, and over a non-halacha issue of women walking on the street, they will lose separate buses, frum walkways in meron, women at the kosel, etc. this such a stupid tactical move, and i don’t understand what they are thinking.

    TmboT
    TmboT
    12 years ago

    The higher a person climbs (or perceives themselves to climb) spiritually, the further they have to fall.
    When sections of society paint themselves out to be O so holy and exclusive guardians of Torah, they have an even greater responsibility to behave in a manner befitting a servant of G-d, and NOT bring Torah into disrepute.

    These people desperately lack Torah and create the BIGGEST CHILLUL HASHEM going.

    chaimme
    chaimme
    12 years ago

    shtikah chodaa dami – Where the the rebbes and the leaders of the askenazim and sferdim. Why are they not crying out for these riots and chillul hashem to stop Can someone please explain why this is not happeening.

    chaimme
    chaimme
    12 years ago

    shtikah kehodaa dami- Where are the Rebbes, the leaders of the askenazi and sefardi communities. Why have they remained silent . They and they only have any power to stop this greta chillul hashem. I just dont get it.

    proudAmerican
    proudAmerican
    12 years ago

    Guys: A few weeks ago a story happened in west bank where a few radical settlers burned down a mosque, nobody from the VIN community were saying a word! why when it comes to traditional jews you all jump up like chimpanzees “chillul hashem” “zealots” etc..
    VD”L

    Babishka
    Member
    Babishka
    12 years ago

    40 years ago, a frei girl from Tel Aviv boarded the #11 bus from the tachana mercazit to Kikar Shabbat. She had received an invitation (arranged by a dati leumi professor) to spend Shabbos in Mea Shearim with a haredi family. She brought with her a guitar, she didn’t even know that on Shabbos you don’t play an instrument, and she had never heard that men are not allowed to listen to women singing.

    She got on the bus and sat up front where she prefers to sit. Suppose that someone had yelled at her to sit in the back! She was a very sensitive girl and she would probably have got off the bus in tears, gone back to Tel Aviv and never gone back to any frum event, ever.

    There were no separate sidewalks or separate bus seating 40 years ago, so nobody yelled at her, and she got off the bus at Avodat Yisrael street and spent Shabbos with the family that invited her. One thing led to another, that girl married a bochur from a very choshuve family and they raised a beautiful Hasidishe, Yiddishe family of 9 children and 29 einiklach, l’Torah, l’chuppah ul’maasim tovim. 38 beautiful Yiddish neshamos!

    How do I know this? BECAUSE I WAS THAT GIRL.

    chaimme
    chaimme
    12 years ago

    reply to 19 – i dont understand you. Please look at other websites if you want furthur proof . instead of hiding from it. speak out against this lunatic fringe . They are hurting all the charedie community. What will it take to stop. Do we need to see someone chas vesholom killed before we stop them .

    FALLSBURGER
    FALLSBURGER
    12 years ago

    To # 15

    You better check your eyesight! Why does your hatred to Satmar blind you so??
    Most protestors don’t have the slightest resemblance to Satmar Chasidim.
    How many people in the first picture look like Satmar??? Maybe 5% !!!
    I see a cross section of Torah observing Jews in those photos, Sefardim Ashkanezim, Chassidih , Litvish, and yes there sure are Satmar people there.

    This is not a Satmar issue, this is a torah issue, as the people of Beis Shemesh want to live a loftier lifestyle then you, and so for that you wish them the worst??
    SHAME ON YOU!!!

    enlightened-yid
    enlightened-yid
    12 years ago

    Shame on Israeli government for using double standards. If these were Arab protestors pushing around police officers, the IDF, Magav, Yamam, riot police, tear gas, and rubber bullets would be involved to disperse the crowd. Charedi extremism has been treated with white kid gloves and subsidized with secular Israeli tax money for decades. Every radical lifestyle choice of theirs that they subjugate on women and children is excused with ” Torah, and freedom of religion.”How ironic that they embrace democratic concepts of freedoms that were born from Western secular philosophy when it suits them, but don’t tolerate others around them. Israel is a modern state with common law incorporated from Western/European laws, not a biblical country with draconian laws. If Charedim in U.S.A, Canada and Europe are kept inline with laws of their countries, so should Israeli government. Living in a modern Jewish state is not an excuse for abuse of powers and religious extremism that has no place in Judaism.

    noahz6
    noahz6
    12 years ago

    dont ask for something that you might not want to get.
    now just imagine if you get rid of these so called “kofrim” and you ch”v get arabs to rule the country. you just try to mess with them

    noahz6
    noahz6
    12 years ago

    why arent these chusive yidden in bais hamedrash learning, or g-d forbid working ?

    Richard2
    Richard2
    12 years ago

    It is time to stop funding these people. Stop donating to their schools, mikves, weddings and so on.

    12 years ago

    It’s 2011.. The old ways don’t work anymore.. Its a shame.. But liberalism won!

    12 years ago

    Why can’t it be just like 13th ave here?? I don’t see any problem here with men and woman walking the same streets… I think the best solution for religious people is simply to keep on having more babies.. Eventually they won’t have this problem.. They will simply outnumber the woman who show their ungodly feet

    ikleinit
    ikleinit
    12 years ago

    try hitting an NYPD officer < the amount of restraint used by the Meshtara is commendable

    12 years ago

    how dare they scream “Nazis!” when the police are protecting JEWISH GIRLS! from them! this makes me sick to my stomach.

    Vestin
    Vestin
    12 years ago

    Theres nothing charedi about these people; the word חרדי, comes from חרד (to tremble – before hashem) how can such a person attack people, or ch’v spit at them, even if they’re dressed inappropriately? Did anyone ever hear or see R’ Shlomo Zalmen Auerbach, R’ Moshe Feinstein, R Yaakov Kaminetzky, R’ Shach, R’ Chaim Kanievsky or any of the real חרדי gedolim do such a thing? These people who call themselves חרדי and do such things are reshaim. I remember when there was no mechitzah in kever rochel, or the meoras ha’machpelah, and none of our great gedolim, had any issues davening there. All these segregation issues are problems created, by bored people. Maybe if they had a job or really sat and learned all day like they’re supposed to they wouldn’t have time for this. If they want to change the world, they should start by changing themselves, than their families, then and only then should they worry about the outside world.

    DavidCohen
    DavidCohen
    12 years ago

    Two men knocked at my door last night, collecting money for an institution in Beit Shemesh. For the first time ever I said no, that I would not give a penny to any Chareidi institution in a city that has become Ground Zero for Chillul Hashem. And as I closed the door on them I told them to read Avos Perek 1 Mishnah 12.

    DavidCohen
    DavidCohen
    12 years ago

    The evil Zionist State needs to cut off ALL funding to ALL right-wing whack-job groups – no welfare, no school funding, no healthcare, zilch! Enough with the taking and not giving. That is the ONLY way scum like this will ever learn to respect others.

    Election2014
    Election2014
    12 years ago

    Facts

    (1)The American Anglo community have been living in Bet Shemesh 10 years before the Ultra Orthodox started moving into Bet Shemesh.

    (2)plenty of videos on you tube just watch the one were an 8 year old girl is spat on and cursed for being dressed 100% in frum attire.

    (3)the Zealots are a menace to Klal Yisroel and the Rabonim have been quiet on this matter for one hearing protesters calling the cops Nazi’s for standing there and all they have been doing is taking verbal abuse like ive never seen.

    kneidel
    kneidel
    12 years ago

    Sad how they call the Police Nazis. What a bunch of idiots!!

    12 years ago

    From the pictures here it shows non religious [and not mizrachi] arguing with the charedi. They don’t even live there so what are they doing there; nothing except to cause fighting

    FALLSBURGER
    FALLSBURGER
    12 years ago

    # 29
    you should please delete the word YID from your user name,
    someone who could define the holy torah as “draconian laws” is not a YID…

    JamesDean
    JamesDean
    12 years ago

    I understand many of the “offenders” are American. I think they should teach the “protesters” the other uses of a baseball bat.

    Heather
    Heather
    12 years ago

    Those pictures are nauseating to me! Those extremists are portraying all the Chareidim in a bad light!
    They have to be stopped!
    On my recent trip to Israel I witnessed first hand a riot near the Kotel and those “chareidim” were acting soooo out of line, I have to say I was embarressed to look like a Charedi around there- The secular don’t always know to differentiate between us, the normal ones and the sick ones.
    And BTW the police were doing their job wonderfully!

    12 years ago

    whats with the nut who has his hand on his nose when hes screaming. these people are nuts

    12 years ago

    Time to take the handcuffs off the police and let them loose on these crazy yidden who dare push and punch the police. Unfortunately, its time for live fire, whether rubber bullets or the real stuff for anyone who would dare to physically assault the police and security forces carrying out their lawful responsibilities. They should be treated no better than a bunch of terrorists who might assault the security forces.

    mikeetg
    mikeetg
    12 years ago

    I think the Chareidi Rabbonim should put these people in cherem who do not represent them and make a big chilul hashem making chasidiush shel shtus in to a ‘Mitzvah’

    12 years ago

    You can be sure the Palestinians are paying close attention to this. The innocent Jewish blood that will flow from the Arab riots to follow will be on the hands of every lunatic in these pictures including the little zealot kinderluch.

    Bigboy
    Bigboy
    12 years ago

    This story is undoubtedly one of the biggest Chilull Hashem in history. I’m actually ashamed to be a charedi.

    Torah_Rules123
    Torah_Rules123
    12 years ago

    I am a modern ultra orthodox jew from London. The behaviour in Bet Shemesh is against Jewish Law. How dare an Ultra Orthodox Jew can justify spitting at an 8 year old child for wearing what in modern society is very very modest. I call that action Phsical Assault On A Child, it’s child abuse. Children from jewish communities in London & all over the world wear similar clothing to what the 8 year old wore. So what was the problem? She was not wearing a Bikini, for goodness sakes. Where in the Torah does it say women have to be segregated from men in a Jewish Community? Where does it say it has to happen on the sidewalk or on public transport? Men and women walk on the same sidewalk in London, and there isn’t a problem. In London Jewish men stand on a bus, if there is a woman sitting on a seat, where there is an empty seat on her left or right. Some men would move to another empty seat on the bus or stand if it’s full. Men have no rights to control any women such as telling them to move at the back of the bus. It seems there is a different jewish law for the extremists, but it isn’t the law I studied for many many years and still studying.

    12 years ago

    there is a saying “the way as goyish zect that wat yiddished zect” i hope and pray i am wrong ,but i have a horrible feeling that suicide bombings might be chas vshulem next ,look what the fanatics of non jews do in the name of their religion ,again ,lets hoep i am crazy

    Torah_Rules123
    Torah_Rules123
    12 years ago

    Orthodox Jews around the world put their heads towards the floor when they walk towards and past a woman on the sidewalk, so why can’t orthodox jews in Bet Shemesh do what has been going on for more than 50 years without any problems? In the Torah women have to be respected, they are queens. Spitting at a child and segregating women against their will is a sin. Men shouldn’t control nor women, only the One And Only has a right to control. Rabbis should tell their followers to behave, they should not be afraid to tell their followers to keep in line with the rules. They should only be afraid of the One And Only. Where in the Torah does it permit a jew calling another person who is only doing his/her job which is to keeping Law and Order in place, a Nazi? The answer is nowhere which doesn’t give anyone permision to call someone names because they don’t agree with his/her actions. The men call themselves orthodox jews but in reality they are behaving like dictators. God forbid a woman has a heart attack, will those men let the woman die on the street without helping her or even attempting to save her life? I fear for womens safety in Bet Shemesh.

    Torah_Rules123
    Torah_Rules123
    12 years ago

    Orthodox Jews are comitting a grave sin by calling Yiddishe women prostitutes in Israel because it’s like calling their mothers a prostitute. The only difference is their mother and other women are just strangers but what they have in common is being female, being jewish and being maybe a mother. Where derech eretz? Everyone come together and help fight religious extremism. It should never be tollerated.