“ i'm just curious, IF it really is a breach of tznius for men and women to sit together on a bus, wouldn't it make more sense for the women to sit in the front instead of walking through the men to get to the back? how tznius are these people really, sounds like they just want the front spot to check out all the women coming on...or do they make them go on the bus from the back as well???? ”

“ Where are the "Gedolim" of our generation? Why are they letting this continue unabated? Perhaps they are in agreement with these reshaim and see no need to intervene. We have not heard any forceful words from any of them, unless they have been filtered by their handlers and we are not getting the truth.

Doesn't this make you all sick to your stomach? ”

“ Contrary to western culture's "ladies first" halacha is that men NOT walk behind women. ”

“ the modifiers in this sentence highlight the core issues of this problem!

"Because it serves **primarily ** religious neighborhoods, the bus in one of the lines which is considered **de facto ** mehadrin” meaning men sit in the front and women sit in the back."
1) If the bus serves *only* the religious neighborhoods, then maybe you might be able to support an argument to make it mehadrin. BUT obviously other neighborhoods are served so how can you force those who aren't from your neighborhood to move to the back?
2) de facto mehadrin means that the bus driver won't enforce the separation of genders, so if anyone is going to do it, it'll be the mentally unstable hooligans who have no filter between their mind and their mouth.
3) I once heard a rav speak true wisdom when he said that diarrhea of the mouth is indicative of constipation of the mind -- only those who can't think, or can't control their speech, will create these disturbances.... ”

“ Where are the "Gedolim" of our generation? Why are they letting this continue unabated? Perhaps they are in agreement with these reshaim and see no need to intervene. We have not heard any forceful words from any of them, unless they have been filtered by their handlers and we are not getting the truth.

Doesn't this make you all sick to your stomach? ”

“ Where are the "Gedolim" of our generation? Why are they letting this continue unabated? Perhaps they are in agreement with these reshaim and see no need to intervene. We have not heard any forceful words from any of them, unless they have been filtered by their handlers and we are not getting the truth.

Doesn't this make you all sick to your stomach? ”

“ Where are the "Gedolim" of our generation? Why are they letting this continue unabated? Perhaps they are in agreement with these reshaim and see no need to intervene. We have not heard any forceful words from any of them, unless they have been filtered by their handlers and we are not getting the truth.

Doesn't this make you all sick to your stomach? ”

“ they agree i think on some level

what chupzha at a soldier who risks her live to protect jews including him send him to the front to see how hard it is then maybe he will have some respect ”

“ Contrary to western culture's "ladies first" halacha is that men NOT walk behind women. ”

“ i'm just curious, IF it really is a breach of tznius for men and women to sit together on a bus, wouldn't it make more sense for the women to sit in the front instead of walking through the men to get to the back? how tznius are these people really, sounds like they just want the front spot to check out all the women coming on...or do they make them go on the bus from the back as well???? ”

“ All I can say is, the Haredi men are behaving no different than the extremist muslim men. We live in the 21st century and we're still fighting for women's rights? Shame on the Haredi community, shame on their Rebbi's for allowing this situation to continue and shame on the mothers who bring their young son's up to believe this way. ”

“ I'm just curious. Where was this soldier coming from and where was she headed on this Mehadrin bus?

Men sit in front, dummy, because halachically men should not stand, sit, walk, behind women. Many posters seem to have a problem with halacha. You seem to have a problem with "front." Newsflash: If you prefer to separate genders then somebody's gotta sit in the front, and if you're separating genders because you wanna be "mehadrin," you might as well be mehadrin all the way which is women behind men. It's too bad that the back is uncomfortable. There's no halacha that says "women behind men except when it's uncomfortable." A healthy man and healthy woman are equal under halacha. ”

“ how can u arrest & detain someone for calling someone else a whore?? ”

“ I'm just curious. Where was this soldier coming from and where was she headed on this Mehadrin bus?

Men sit in front, dummy, because halachically men should not stand, sit, walk, behind women. Many posters seem to have a problem with halacha. You seem to have a problem with "front." Newsflash: If you prefer to separate genders then somebody's gotta sit in the front, and if you're separating genders because you wanna be "mehadrin," you might as well be mehadrin all the way which is women behind men. It's too bad that the back is uncomfortable. There's no halacha that says "women behind men except when it's uncomfortable." A healthy man and healthy woman are equal under halacha. ”

“ I'm just curious. Where was this soldier coming from and where was she headed on this Mehadrin bus?

Men sit in front, dummy, because halachically men should not stand, sit, walk, behind women. Many posters seem to have a problem with halacha. You seem to have a problem with "front." Newsflash: If you prefer to separate genders then somebody's gotta sit in the front, and if you're separating genders because you wanna be "mehadrin," you might as well be mehadrin all the way which is women behind men. It's too bad that the back is uncomfortable. There's no halacha that says "women behind men except when it's uncomfortable." A healthy man and healthy woman are equal under halacha. ”

“ I'm just curious. Where was this soldier coming from and where was she headed on this Mehadrin bus?

Men sit in front, dummy, because halachically men should not stand, sit, walk, behind women. Many posters seem to have a problem with halacha. You seem to have a problem with "front." Newsflash: If you prefer to separate genders then somebody's gotta sit in the front, and if you're separating genders because you wanna be "mehadrin," you might as well be mehadrin all the way which is women behind men. It's too bad that the back is uncomfortable. There's no halacha that says "women behind men except when it's uncomfortable." A healthy man and healthy woman are equal under halacha. ”

“ i'm just curious, IF it really is a breach of tznius for men and women to sit together on a bus, wouldn't it make more sense for the women to sit in the front instead of walking through the men to get to the back? how tznius are these people really, sounds like they just want the front spot to check out all the women coming on...or do they make them go on the bus from the back as well???? ”

“ is it a crime in israel to call someone a whore? I thought its a free country. ”

“ I'm just curious. Where was this soldier coming from and where was she headed on this Mehadrin bus?

Men sit in front, dummy, because halachically men should not stand, sit, walk, behind women. Many posters seem to have a problem with halacha. You seem to have a problem with "front." Newsflash: If you prefer to separate genders then somebody's gotta sit in the front, and if you're separating genders because you wanna be "mehadrin," you might as well be mehadrin all the way which is women behind men. It's too bad that the back is uncomfortable. There's no halacha that says "women behind men except when it's uncomfortable." A healthy man and healthy woman are equal under halacha. ”

“ how can u arrest & detain someone for calling someone else a whore?? ”

“ I have good news to tell you, the hype the news is making now over an isolated incident where a single person (did or did not) spit a child, and about 20-30 ppl protesting the removal of a sign inside frum area sitting there for years without complaints, and they're yelling at the jew hating media reporters.
There are numerous incidents daily in Beit shemesh where frummies are being insulted and cursed at for no good reason, just out of hate to the observant!
I was visiting my brother in Bet shemesh, I walked down in "Kirya", a place where only frum charedim live, and a "couple" passed by yelling slurs at us, and walked off laughing.. I told my brother, I thought i was in bet shemesh, not in east New York.
What a shame! and they're still crying foul.. ”

“ I live in an area that have all buses divided men from women, it never occurred to me that the women sitting in the back is some sort of embarrassment to the women, it's nowhere similar to the Rosa Park situation where blacks were told to sit in the back with derogatory. If there would be some way that you can put a fare collector at the back door, and a curtain i as a man would have no problem to sit in the back. But if there are men that think that women have to sit in the back because they are second class citizens they have a much bigger problem than this. ”

“ It is first and foremost the responsibility of the RABBINIC LEADERSHIP to forcefully and explicitly denounce this Colossal Chilul Hashem. It is not enough for them to denounce it because it is a chilul Hashem, but to denounce it because the whole hashkafa of Extreme Tznius and imposing anything on another person, is just as treif as eating Chazir and this approach to Yiddishkeit is against Halacha on all levels. The Rabbonim and specifically the Gedolim and we all know who they are, need to come out and say meforash that
1. There is no issur to sit next to a woman on a bus
2. It is Assur to ask women to move to the back of the bus
3. It is Assur to put up signs asking women to only walk on certain sides of a street
4. It is Assur to spit on another human being and Ain Lo Chelek Lolam Haba to one who does so
5. It is Assur to call another Jew a “Nazi” and Ain Lo Chelek Lolam Haba to one who does so
6. It is ossur to call a women any derogatory name such as "Zona", "Shiksa", "Prutza", and So on and one who does so Ain Lo Chelek L'olam Haba regardless of how the woman is dressed.
7. It is Assur to assault or harrass another human being including shouting at someone. ”

“ As someone that follows the israeli media let me try to to cut thru the fog of war (against the orthodox).
We are in the midst of an anti jewish (Belief) incitment campagin ”

“ Aside from the fact that the 'SOLDIER" male or female protects this fool - the bigger chillul hashem is that this anti Haredi incident and others like are coming into the mass media - in this world of Anti-Semitism it is not a good thing.
And if the individual did not want to sit with the woman - GET OFF THE BUS.
(By the way you won't print this beciase you never print modern religious jews viewpoints anyway.) ”

“ painful to see how most commentators are jumping to take the word of a secular woman against a word of a religious man. He claims he asked her politely if she would't mind going in the back, she immediately called police, according to "Kol chai" radio, eyewitnesses told police the story is not true and she's lying, they ignored all witnesses, and took her word against all witnesses. ”

“ painful to see how most commentators are jumping to take the word of a secular woman against a word of a religious man. He claims he asked her politely if she would't mind going in the back, she immediately called police, according to "Kol chai" radio, eyewitnesses told police the story is not true and she's lying, they ignored all witnesses, and took her word against all witnesses. ”

“ We read your inflammatory question the first time (#15) and we read it again here (#22).

Are you really asking a serious question, or are we all supposed to roll on the floor, laughing our tucheses off at your rank stupidity?

Call in again and let us know. ”

“ painful to see how most commentators are jumping to take the word of a secular woman against a word of a religious man. He claims he asked her politely if she would't mind going in the back, she immediately called police, according to "Kol chai" radio, eyewitnesses told police the story is not true and she's lying, they ignored all witnesses, and took her word against all witnesses. ”

“ As someone that follows the israeli media let me try to to cut thru the fog of war (against the orthodox).
We are in the midst of an anti jewish (Belief) incitment campagin the like's we hadn't seen since the 1930's.
Their mode of operation is: take 5% truth add the rest and let the hate continue!!.
In this particular case there are numerous witness that claim that this women sat down smack in middle of a group of men and that someone asked her politely to change seats that's all!
I would rather believe my fellow frum jews that a bunch of Anti anti orthodox/settler/chreidi/Torah reporters bent on slandering the frum jews in front of the whole world!!!
Does anybody know that in the last day their were over 5 incidents where chreidi kids and adults were spat on and even hit by "peace loving" seculars? You didn't hear about it? I guess the Shtrumer (sorry Ynet) didn't have room in the paper to include it.
So Please fellow readers don't jump on the hate wagon untill you verify every story. ”

“ Anybody read the full article on ynet news? Let me fill you in a little. The media reports that the father of the soldier stated his daughter called him up crying after being called a shiksa. No, you read it correct "soldier cries to father for being called a shiksa" is what the artcile should have read. Those headlines would not make good news for the secularist media, would it? Anyone smell a rat here?
Let me be more specific. A secularist zionist soldier with an agenda against charedim uses her wile to purposely instigate a charedi man (who had misplaced hashkofas written all over his face) in order to get media coverage. The lioness got her prey and the secularist media sponsored ticker-tape parade. I don't condone verbal or physical violence, I just like to call a spade a spade. ”

“ Imagine someone walking up to a soldier in any other country, insulting them to their face, and not thinking that they are going to walk away with a broken nose and missing a few teeth!

The Charedim, more than any one else, know that this is a Jewish army. Otherwise they would never have a havva amina to insult a soldier and think they won't be assaulted in response. ”

“ Anybody read the full article on ynet news? Let me fill you in a little. The media reports that the father of the soldier stated his daughter called him up crying after being called a shiksa. No, you read it correct "soldier cries to father for being called a shiksa" is what the artcile should have read. Those headlines would not make good news for the secularist media, would it? Anyone smell a rat here?
Let me be more specific. A secularist zionist soldier with an agenda against charedim uses her wile to purposely instigate a charedi man (who had misplaced hashkofas written all over his face) in order to get media coverage. The lioness got her prey and the secularist media sponsored ticker-tape parade. I don't condone verbal or physical violence, I just like to call a spade a spade. ”

“ 1St of all you are clearly a am haretz because to sit behind a women is assur " meiachorei isha" and yes they are supposed to get on from the back door why is that so terrible next you feminists are going to complain against the ezras noshim because women sit in the back of the bais medrash ”

“ 1St of all you are clearly a am haretz because to sit behind a women is assur " meiachorei isha" and yes they are supposed to get on from the back door why is that so terrible next you feminists are going to complain against the ezras noshim because women sit in the back of the bais medrash ”

“ “ Imagine someone walking up to a soldier in any other country, insulting them to their face..."

Ok, I just imagined that if in Japan, to pick a place randomly, they were at the same time stupid and immoral enough to dress a girl who just graduated from high school in some buffoonish “soldier’s” costume and told her to pretend to be a soldier, and then this girl would provocatively deposit herself in the midst of some group of traditional Japanese men. What do you think would happen to her? ”

“ i'm just curious, IF it really is a breach of tznius for men and women to sit together on a bus, wouldn't it make more sense for the women to sit in the front instead of walking through the men to get to the back? how tznius are these people really, sounds like they just want the front spot to check out all the women coming on...or do they make them go on the bus from the back as well???? ”

“ “ Imagine someone walking up to a soldier in any other country, insulting them to their face..."

Ok, I just imagined that if in Japan, to pick a place randomly, they were at the same time stupid and immoral enough to dress a girl who just graduated from high school in some buffoonish “soldier’s” costume and told her to pretend to be a soldier, and then this girl would provocatively deposit herself in the midst of some group of traditional Japanese men. What do you think would happen to her? ”

“ Who knows if she had an agenda. Why should the soldier be called a shiksa? Specifically the man was wrong. You say you like to call a spade a spade. Without bothering to argue the definition of that saying, lets face it...words hurt. Actions hurt. In this case the man was obviously wrong and should not be defended.
Lets even say for arguments sake that you are correct in why the soldier sat where she sat. What moron continues attacking until the police are called. A person who has no sense, or a person who has no respect. A person who believes that he can get away with anything. I know that you want to give this man a ticker tape parade, but I for one smell a rat. Just calling a spade a spade ”

“ Contrary to western culture's "ladies first" halacha is that men NOT walk behind women. ”

“ When did sitting in a bus seat become provocative? Don't you see we are making it so that every normal human action done by a female is now interpreted as sexual behavior. ”

“ Of course simply "sitting on a bus" is not. But for a girl wearing a stupid costume to plump herself in the middle of what is widely regarded as men’s section, and where theretofore only men were at hand, is highly provocative.

Would you describe some girl who parked herself in the middle of your beis medrash and refused to budge as merely “sitting in shul?” I doubt it.

This pretend soldier knew what she was doing. As did r'shoim who sent her. ”

“ Does anyone suspect that all this gender segregation, makes men hyper-aware about women's sexuality? I keep hearing about 'healthy men and women' not being able to resist immoral thoughts (i.e. Sexual fantasizing). I am someone that doesn't live in a gender separated environment and I am perfectly capable of keeping my thoughts out of the gutter. Sexual thoughts (a.k.a. Hirhurim) are a part of life, whether you live in Beit Shemesh or not. You are meant to learn to manage them and rise above this natural urge but not at the expense of the dignity of others. ”