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Published on: January 1, 2012 04:36 PM
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Israeli women protesting against a gender-segregation campaign by ultra-Orthodox Jews sit at the front of a bus in defiance of demands by hardliners that women sit at the back, in Jerusalem on 01 January, 2012. Reports state that hundreds of mostly secular activists boarded buses used mostly by ultra-Orthodox Jews near Tel Aviv and in Jerusalem to voice opposition against the practice of separation between women and men on a number of lines traveling through religious neighbourhoods.  EPA/ABIR SULTANIsraeli women protesting against a gender-segregation campaign by ultra-Orthodox Jews sit at the front of a bus in defiance of demands by hardliners that women sit at the back, in Jerusalem on 01 January, 2012. Reports state that hundreds of mostly secular activists boarded buses used mostly by ultra-Orthodox Jews near Tel Aviv and in Jerusalem to voice opposition against the practice of separation between women and men on a number of lines traveling through religious neighbourhoods.  EPA/ABIR SULTAN

Jerusalem - Hundreds of men and women boarded gender-segregated buses in Jerusalem and Ramat Gan on Sunday, in protest of the exclusion of women from the public sphere and against the segregation of men and women in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.

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Despite the friction between the two communities, the protest on board the buses went over relatively quietly.

The event, which was created by Jerusalem resident Alon Visser called on people to put an end to the apathy and changing the status quo. Visser said that he has gotten used to seeing gender-segregated buses run through Jerusalem’s central bus station.

“This is not the society that I want to live or raise my children in,” Visser wrote on the event’s Facebook page. “We cannot continue to be silent on the issue of gender segregation on bus lines – it is against the law and against human rights.”

Israeli women protesting against a gender-segregation campaign by ultra-Orthodox Jews sit at the front of a bus in defiance of demands by hardliners that women sit at the back, in Jerusalem on 01 January, 2012. Reports state that hundreds of mostly secular activists boarded buses used mostly by ultra-Orthodox Jews near Tel Aviv and in Jerusalem to voice opposition against the practice of separation between women and men on a number of lines traveling through religious neighbourhoods.  EPA/ABIR SULTANIsraeli women protesting against a gender-segregation campaign by ultra-Orthodox Jews sit at the front of a bus in defiance of demands by hardliners that women sit at the back, in Jerusalem on 01 January, 2012. Reports state that hundreds of mostly secular activists boarded buses used mostly by ultra-Orthodox Jews near Tel Aviv and in Jerusalem to voice opposition against the practice of separation between women and men on a number of lines traveling through religious neighbourhoods.  EPA/ABIR SULTAN

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:35 PM YJay1 Says:

"the protest on board the buses went over relatively quietly." Another blow to the Secular inciters. Sorry, no fun for you guys, this time around.

To all Yidden who acted civilly today on the Mehadrin buses: A Groiseh Shkoyach, you have created a great Kiddush Hashem. May Hashem bless you all!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:23 PM Babishka Says:

If you look closely at these pictures on VIN you will see an old lady standing in the aisle while all these fit young people (frum and frei) are taking up seats.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 04:43 PM MosheM Says:

Stupid provocateurs. They failed miserably.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 04:46 PM username Says:

Who winds this round? Egged, for all the revenue they collected today.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:01 PM Anonymous Says:

This is similar to the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott of 1955, which was done to protest segregation on that bus system.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

This is the religious world's 9-11. The zealots have opened up a can of worms that they now cannot close. They have awoken the sleeping giant of normal Yidden who now say GENUG!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:53 PM YJay1 Says:

Reply to #3  
Babishka Says:

If you look closely at these pictures on VIN you will see an old lady standing in the aisle while all these fit young people (frum and frei) are taking up seats.

What picture? Am I missing something?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:54 PM PowerUp Says:

''Achoiry Ari, V'loy Achoiry Ishu'' translation from the talmud: ''better to walk in back of a lion then in back of a woman'' anybody who doesn't like this, is kofer btoras moshe rabeiny

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 05:55 PM shredready Says:

good

the sleeping giant has woken up.

good for everybody that it was marred by any incidents

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:01 PM keepsmiling Says:

sorry #3 put on your glasses in my picture the lady is sitting and boys are standing.
#2 what has this got to do with Rav Horowitz. I am really sorry to say but before everyone comments on the accurence the last few day PLEASE listen to the WHOLE story and not just read what is written in the secular news. Im not saying what was doen is correct but living here in BS i can say it was ALL blown to 1000% more than what happened and definatly was a 1 sided story.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:08 PM Reb Yid Says:

“We cannot continue to be silent on the issue of gender segregation on bus lines – it is against the law and against human rights.”

But it's not enforced by law, it's adhered to by societal convention. Is he saying it should be illegal for people to voluntarily ride in certain sections of the bus?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:14 PM FBF37 Says:

Reply to #1  
YJay1 Says:

"the protest on board the buses went over relatively quietly." Another blow to the Secular inciters. Sorry, no fun for you guys, this time around.

To all Yidden who acted civilly today on the Mehadrin buses: A Groiseh Shkoyach, you have created a great Kiddush Hashem. May Hashem bless you all!

They (the charedim) were instructed not to make trouble so that is why they behaved.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:31 PM confusedmom Says:

Aren't tensions high enough? Why take action to deliberately fan the flames? Boruch Hashem this passed quietly.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:51 PM chaim Says:

Reply to #14  
FBF37 Says:

They (the charedim) were instructed not to make trouble so that is why they behaved.

how about you are making trouble? Trying to make fights?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:48 PM menachemwh Says:

Reply to #10  
PowerUp Says:

''Achoiry Ari, V'loy Achoiry Ishu'' translation from the talmud: ''better to walk in back of a lion then in back of a woman'' anybody who doesn't like this, is kofer btoras moshe rabeiny

When Rav Salanter came home once to a singing maid he waited outside until she finished. When a talmid asked if he should go in to stop her from singing he said...she has the right to sing . I will wait here. The chareidim have the right to pay for their own buses. Dont use public transportationa nd live accordingly. But if you want our money then we do not have to live by your interpretation of Halacha. Why didnt Rav Moshe know of this gemarah in his teshuvos about taking a train?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:44 PM Alan Katan Says:

If you look carefully at the 2nd photo, the teenagers appear (and likely are) taunting this woman. She on the other hand appears indifferent to the whole situation.

Is this what their heilige elders taught them to do? I strongly doubt it. This is the epitome of azus! And of they're so frum (uh-huh), pray tell: WHY ARE THEY EVEN LOOKING AT HER?

No further questions your honor - I rest my case....

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:36 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #3  
Babishka Says:

If you look closely at these pictures on VIN you will see an old lady standing in the aisle while all these fit young people (frum and frei) are taking up seats.

She probably didn't want to sit down on a mixed seating bus, or was afraid of someone spitting on her for sitting next to a man.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 06:44 PM Anonymous Says:

This whole tumult is one big media frenzy and we the frummer by busy criticizing acheinu bnei yisroel are part of this "hype" and when the bubble is big everyone piles on.
Someone spits and its a great big deal. Someone calls someone a shikse or a zoinah and its a huge big deal. Oh, come on the whole deal of segregation is one big nothing.
Hillary Clinton was the one who started this whole tumult and that it should have stayed. The media is trying to keep this going so as the left wing parties can keep this going until the election. And so is the frummer in America that are so Marbeh shalom" and talk about "oiseh sholom" -- then they should just shut up and stop keeping the flames going.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:05 PM MosheM Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

This is the religious world's 9-11. The zealots have opened up a can of worms that they now cannot close. They have awoken the sleeping giant of normal Yidden who now say GENUG!

Your use of 9/11 for your purposes is just as bad as them using the shoah.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:15 PM Babishka Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

This is similar to the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott of 1955, which was done to protest segregation on that bus system.

It is not in any way similar to the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott. In Alabama ALL THE BUSES were segregated, not just a few special routes. Anyway do you know the difference between a BOYCOTT (where they avoid traveling on the buses) and swarming the buses, which happened here?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:18 PM Babishka Says:

Reply to #12  
keepsmiling Says:

sorry #3 put on your glasses in my picture the lady is sitting and boys are standing.
#2 what has this got to do with Rav Horowitz. I am really sorry to say but before everyone comments on the accurence the last few day PLEASE listen to the WHOLE story and not just read what is written in the secular news. Im not saying what was doen is correct but living here in BS i can say it was ALL blown to 1000% more than what happened and definatly was a 1 sided story.

The photo I was referring to on the VIN photo feed here:
http://www.vosizneias.com/news/photos/view/809298439

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:28 PM YJay1 Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

This is similar to the Montgomery, Alabama bus boycott of 1955, which was done to protest segregation on that bus system.

Yeah, very similar! You need to refresh your history lessons, and fast. The Montgomery boycott was carried out by the people who used those buses, whereas the current provocation is being carried out by people who never use these buses. Can you see the difference now?

The very fact that they did here the opposite of a boycott shows their silliness. Had they been using these lines they would have done a boycott, but since they do NOT use these lines, the only option left is to make a provocation

There would've been nothing better for the Chareidim, than a boycott by the Chilonim of the Mehadrin lines! Now THAT'S a good idea!

Your comment is just brilliant! Keep on posting.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:56 PM MidwesternGuy Says:

Reply to #10  
PowerUp Says:

''Achoiry Ari, V'loy Achoiry Ishu'' translation from the talmud: ''better to walk in back of a lion then in back of a woman'' anybody who doesn't like this, is kofer btoras moshe rabeiny

Every gemarah is l'halacha? It's just not true. But even if it is, that would put the obligation on YOU to not follow a woman. You have no right to tell a woman to go elsewhere, much less to force her with violence. See the difference?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
PowerUp Says:

''Achoiry Ari, V'loy Achoiry Ishu'' translation from the talmud: ''better to walk in back of a lion then in back of a woman'' anybody who doesn't like this, is kofer btoras moshe rabeiny

r' Chaim Kanievsky (I think) paskened that "acoorei ari etc" only applies when walking. Sitting on a bus is ok.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 07:59 PM MidwesternGuy Says:

Reply to #14  
FBF37 Says:

They (the charedim) were instructed not to make trouble so that is why they behaved.

What you wrote is very dangerous, because it implies that they would always behave if always told to behave. Does that mean that people are being directed to act crazy when they do so?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:19 PM aboroparker Says:

Reply to #14  
FBF37 Says:

They (the charedim) were instructed not to make trouble so that is why they behaved.

how about you are making the trouble? Trying to make fights... Shame on you

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:36 PM PowerUp Says:

Reply to #25  
MidwesternGuy Says:

Every gemarah is l'halacha? It's just not true. But even if it is, that would put the obligation on YOU to not follow a woman. You have no right to tell a woman to go elsewhere, much less to force her with violence. See the difference?

Agreed, but there also has to be a way how to handle a davke'yak, someone who is unwilling to consider the feelings of the people around her, everybody understands that those people are trying to be pure and keep their children from seeing timah, so....

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:48 PM esther Says:

Reply to #1  
YJay1 Says:

"the protest on board the buses went over relatively quietly." Another blow to the Secular inciters. Sorry, no fun for you guys, this time around.

To all Yidden who acted civilly today on the Mehadrin buses: A Groiseh Shkoyach, you have created a great Kiddush Hashem. May Hashem bless you all!

sad that you think basic mentshlichkait created a great kiddish Hashem.it that we are now that just normal behavior is a big deal?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:59 PM esther Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

This whole tumult is one big media frenzy and we the frummer by busy criticizing acheinu bnei yisroel are part of this "hype" and when the bubble is big everyone piles on.
Someone spits and its a great big deal. Someone calls someone a shikse or a zoinah and its a huge big deal. Oh, come on the whole deal of segregation is one big nothing.
Hillary Clinton was the one who started this whole tumult and that it should have stayed. The media is trying to keep this going so as the left wing parties can keep this going until the election. And so is the frummer in America that are so Marbeh shalom" and talk about "oiseh sholom" -- then they should just shut up and stop keeping the flames going.

are you for real? i think if someone spit on a chareidi girl,say your daughter, or called a chareidi women,maybe your wife, that you'd think it was a big deal.trying to belittle wha thappened really makes you and your pals look borish and dumb.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:35 PM YJay1 Says:

Reply to #30  
esther Says:

sad that you think basic mentshlichkait created a great kiddish Hashem.it that we are now that just normal behavior is a big deal?

Yes it is indeed very sad. Because of these "zealots" who act crazy and tarnish the name of ALL Orthodox Jews we hav come to a point where the mere idea that Chareidim show that they act normally is a Kiddush HaShem, by showing that - the media reports notwithstanding - most Chareidi Jews act normal.

I agree with you (for once) that it is truly sad that we have reached this point.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
MosheM Says:

Your use of 9/11 for your purposes is just as bad as them using the shoah.

9-11 was a terrible tragedy. If you are going to compare it to the slaughter of 6 million people then you are showing the whole world where you are coming from visa vis the zealots. Fashtesh Moishy?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 11:15 PM democratic country Says:

No problem...they can come on board, but this is a democratic society where people can have "privately owned buses" where they can make and enforce their own rules...and if they will not allow for that...let me see who the instigaters are??????

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 11:24 PM hate hurts Says:

Reply to #15  
confusedmom Says:

Aren't tensions high enough? Why take action to deliberately fan the flames? Boruch Hashem this passed quietly.

Because that's what they (secular) love to do...FAN THE FLAMES...Just light a match and they are off with it!!!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
menachemwh Says:

When Rav Salanter came home once to a singing maid he waited outside until she finished. When a talmid asked if he should go in to stop her from singing he said...she has the right to sing . I will wait here. The chareidim have the right to pay for their own buses. Dont use public transportationa nd live accordingly. But if you want our money then we do not have to live by your interpretation of Halacha. Why didnt Rav Moshe know of this gemarah in his teshuvos about taking a train?

You have it wrong. They wanted their own bus, but were held back, Eged wanted a piece of the pie....get your facts straight!!!!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 11:31 PM stamm Says:

They wanted their own buses but egged said instead, they will provide for them accordingly, they will make sure women are separated. i think this is mainly bec. they want to daven on the bus. the chilonim are stirring up trouble to win the elections. we definitely don't see the whole pic. here. if most women want to sit in the back why are they protesting for these women. these routes are majorly majorly frum, so why shouldn't they have their way.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Babishka Says:

The photo I was referring to on the VIN photo feed here:
http://www.vosizneias.com/news/photos/view/809298439

Is it possible she was just getting on the bus...or going off the bus. You see, everyone sees what they want to see. You are probably a "chareidi lover" so that's what you want to see! I for one, don't judge anybody by a picture....because you don't know at what point in the journey it was taken!!!!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 09:09 AM ablydec Says:

Reply to #14  
FBF37 Says:

They (the charedim) were instructed not to make trouble so that is why they behaved.

Instructed by who? If there is SOMEONE that they listen to, we're already a step in the right direction.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 09:14 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #10  
PowerUp Says:

''Achoiry Ari, V'loy Achoiry Ishu'' translation from the talmud: ''better to walk in back of a lion then in back of a woman'' anybody who doesn't like this, is kofer btoras moshe rabeiny

Perfect! Then they should go find a lion and got off the bus!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 09:16 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #35  
hate hurts Says:

Because that's what they (secular) love to do...FAN THE FLAMES...Just light a match and they are off with it!!!

Let's assume that you are right, the secular fan the flames, agreed. But it's the so called Chareidim who light the fire in the first place. No fire, no flames to fan!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 10:42 AM anon Says:

I really dislike it when people lump all the "secular" or all the "frum" into one group. I am secular. Respect is a two way street, show me respect and I'll show you respect 10 fold. The opposite also applies. I was brought up to respect people. As a secular Jew, I am always trying to find ways to improve upon myself, be it learning more about Yiddishkeit, etc. I work with a lot of frum Jews. They treat me with respect and I treat them with respect, so please do not lump everyone into the same category.

I remember when I took my birthright trip to Israel and part of the trip was going through Meah Shearim. We were told to dress in a modest manner out of respect for those who live there. The same goes in the US. I wouldn't walk into an frum establishment in BP or Williamsburg unless I was dressed modestly out of respect for those that are from that environment.

If the secular media is fanning the fire, they are wrong. If those Chareidim are doing what they are doing to cause strife, they are wrong. You need to listen to both sides of the stories as well.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 11:35 AM Pereles Says:

Reply to #42  
anon Says:

I really dislike it when people lump all the "secular" or all the "frum" into one group. I am secular. Respect is a two way street, show me respect and I'll show you respect 10 fold. The opposite also applies. I was brought up to respect people. As a secular Jew, I am always trying to find ways to improve upon myself, be it learning more about Yiddishkeit, etc. I work with a lot of frum Jews. They treat me with respect and I treat them with respect, so please do not lump everyone into the same category.

I remember when I took my birthright trip to Israel and part of the trip was going through Meah Shearim. We were told to dress in a modest manner out of respect for those who live there. The same goes in the US. I wouldn't walk into an frum establishment in BP or Williamsburg unless I was dressed modestly out of respect for those that are from that environment.

If the secular media is fanning the fire, they are wrong. If those Chareidim are doing what they are doing to cause strife, they are wrong. You need to listen to both sides of the stories as well.

you show common sense, thanks!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
YJay1 Says:

"the protest on board the buses went over relatively quietly." Another blow to the Secular inciters. Sorry, no fun for you guys, this time around.

To all Yidden who acted civilly today on the Mehadrin buses: A Groiseh Shkoyach, you have created a great Kiddush Hashem. May Hashem bless you all!

I fail to see the kiddush HaShem here. The B'DaTZ had forbidden people to use the buses during the period of the scheduled provocation. Following Beys Din is a Kiddish HaShem, not ignoring them. Despite their garb, I suspect that the travellers are more ideologically alligned with the more radical talkbackers on t his site.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
menachemwh Says:

When Rav Salanter came home once to a singing maid he waited outside until she finished. When a talmid asked if he should go in to stop her from singing he said...she has the right to sing . I will wait here. The chareidim have the right to pay for their own buses. Dont use public transportationa nd live accordingly. But if you want our money then we do not have to live by your interpretation of Halacha. Why didnt Rav Moshe know of this gemarah in his teshuvos about taking a train?

The haredim have several times tried to run their own buses, but as soon as Eged realises what's up, the drop the prices beneath cost. They subsidise the lost revenue from the secular lines. Thus the secular scream that they are subsidising the haredim and the haredi line folds because it can't compete. Once the competition has disppeared, Eged puts back up the prices.

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 Jan 04, 2012 at 02:58 PM chazzen Says:

The chareidim should stop this.This is not religion.On the prewar pictures we dont see any of this rubbish

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