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Jerusalem - Holocaust Display Protester: 'Treatment Of Charedim In Israel – Like Nuremberg Laws'

Published on: January 1, 2012 08:20 PM
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 Ultra-Orthodox Jews wearing yellow Stars of David with 'Jude" written on them during a protest in Jerusalem's Mea Shearim neighborhood, 31 December 2011, protesting what they call the 'media campaign of incitement' being waged against their community , especially as it refers to the separation of men and women in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish society.  EPA/JIM HOLLANDER Ultra-Orthodox Jews wearing yellow Stars of David with 'Jude" written on them during a protest in Jerusalem's Mea Shearim neighborhood, 31 December 2011, protesting what they call the 'media campaign of incitement' being waged against their community , especially as it refers to the separation of men and women in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish society.  EPA/JIM HOLLANDER

Jerusalem - After images of kids wearing yellow patches and striped pajamas during haredi protest in Jerusalem shocked many across the country, some participants wished to explain the move.
Moshe, a member of the Eda Haredit sect and resident of Jerusalem’s ultra-Orthodox Mea Shaarim neighborhood told Ynet he does not regret participating in the “Holocaust display.”

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Moshe, who attended the rally along with his eight-year-old nephew, noted that the sect leaders supported the demonstration, even if they did not personally participate. “They didn’t publicly call to attend the rally because they feared that the police might employ violence and rubber bullets, and that haredi blood would be spilled.”

The Eda Haredit member attempted to explain the rationale behind the display of Holocaust symbols, saying it was important that secular people understand the campaign that is being conducted against their community.

“It’s important to remember that the Holocaust didn’t start with the gas chambers, but was preceded with an unruly incitement campaign against the Jews. Even after Krystalnacht there were those who preferred to turn a blind eye.
“What is happening today resembles those years and it can definitely reach a secular intifada,” he noted.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:28 PM 5towns Says:

Oh really now? Little frum girls in Bet Shemesh are not allowed to walk to school in peace and it is a secular intifada against Chareidim?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:48 PM Reb Yid Says:

What on earth is this guy talking about? No one is committing acts of violence against the chareidim. No one is preventing them from observing the mitzvos. The chilonim are certainly disobeying the self-made rules that the chareidim have come up with, like buses and sidewalks, but that's not "doing anything" to the chareidim.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 08:50 PM 1189 Says:

Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:01 PM tzionyus Says:

I agree that the secular media is leading a nasty campaign against chareidim and this is going on for years! but these ridiculous moves like spitting on little girls or protesting in yellow stars is an even worse campaign against chareidim!!!! what is the world suppose to say when seeing the so called kanooim dressing in uniforms the nazi animals dressed our parents before killing 6,000,000 of them?!?!?!?!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:23 PM SammyL Says:

Reply to #3  
1189 Says:

Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.

Does the word "Iran" mean anything to you?

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:24 PM Lodzker Says:

He is right. But people will dismiss the event because ppl think its a protest about bet shemesh or sikeikim rather than secular and official incitement against charedim. If western media spoke of Jews the way Israeli media does then ADL would be in a fit. I personally think its extreme to have this imagery, but its not intirely misplaced.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:37 PM esther Says:

Reply to #3  
1189 Says:

Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.

please don't use this as an opportunity to lump these leeches in with settlers who are moiser nefesh mamosh for the land and for klal yisroel.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 09:39 PM Leah the Cynist Says:

It's called laying low people. Yes, the secular media attacks the Chareidim - they always have - which is why thinking people try to lay low and not feed them what they're looking for.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
5towns Says:

Oh really now? Little frum girls in Bet Shemesh are not allowed to walk to school in peace and it is a secular intifada against Chareidim?

Just come off it..he is not talking about this one incident, so don't go and make believe it's all about that.This is not a new problem in Israel, been going on for a long time...just building up to this...
Yes,spitting is wrong....we all know that...but get with it...PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LET SOME PEOPLE LIVE THE LIVES THEY CHOOSE TO IN A DEMOCRATIC ISRAEL.
Guess what, I am not on their side at all. . . but they have also been harrassed for a long time, not being able to do things they choose ...having a "private" bus.... private, not Eged...and other things.It didn't start with one incident..You just came into this now...this is all old stuff...snowballing...

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:11 PM Cadd9 Says:

The Eida needs a PR firm ASAP. There needs to be a kol korei prohibiting anyone from talking to the media, besides designatd spokesmen approved by the PR firm.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:13 PM shredready Says:

simple but the whole issue

from the Washington Post

"Ultra-Orthodox Jews make up 10 percent of Israel’s population. In the past, they have generally confined their strict lifestyle to their own neighborhoods. But they have become increasingly aggressive in trying to impose their ways on others, as their population has grown and spread to new areas.

Extremist sects within the ultra-Orthodox community have been under fire of late for their attempts to ban mixing of the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces."

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:16 PM Torah is de besta schoira Says:

Reply to #3  
1189 Says:

Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.

Really, is that so????
How about a nation built on values that shames the ONE ABOVE...calling itself "the JEWISH STATE".. really....? Gay parades and the like, mechalel shabbosim....that's the threat....
When people will come back to Torah and yiddishkeit, we will stop having internal, external threats...
Nothing can threaten us..When Yaakov is strong ...we are strong...!
Dangers to the state of Israel? The only danger is a spiritual one...that brings a charbon...and brings physical danger...nothing else. Go study a bit...and don't confuse yourself with the facts!!!!
Yes, we have people amongst us that don't act in a Torah'dig fashion. We are not perfect...but please.... a danger to the state of Israel? We have bigger problems than this!!!

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:24 PM Longbeach Says:

For the Charedim (the ones dressed like chassidim) ITS ALL A GAME. They just relish the action and the attention. It has nothing to do with Tznius. If the buses are not tznius enough they should get off the bus and take a taxi,however this is not their real intention. They have a lot of Chutzpa to impose anything on anyone. Forget about the spitting, who gives them the right to open up their mouth to another passenger on the bus? This is 2012 there is no such thing as segregation on public buses. Who are their Rabbonim? They have none!!! These people listen to no one, and only create a massive Chillul Hashem. The mainstream media doesn't realize its just a SHTICK, these "chassidim" don't believe themselves in what they are trying to impose onto others. They have way to much time on their hands. The latest photos of these chassidim with Holocaust garb is just a continuation of the GAME, you could see all the adults SMILING in the background!! All major Jewish Organizations and their Rabbonim, should denounce these groups of "phony charedim" and differentiate themselves between real Chasidim, which by them the Torah is "deracheha darchei noam" and lehavdil these, rabble rousers.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:25 PM Haredi and protesting twisted, biased media reporting Says:

Reply to #4  
tzionyus Says:

I agree that the secular media is leading a nasty campaign against chareidim and this is going on for years! but these ridiculous moves like spitting on little girls or protesting in yellow stars is an even worse campaign against chareidim!!!! what is the world suppose to say when seeing the so called kanooim dressing in uniforms the nazi animals dressed our parents before killing 6,000,000 of them?!?!?!?!

well, how then would you get people to take another look? Not that I think this is the correct thing to do, (star), but I do agree that the world is against them and they are being harassed, I did read a couple of haredi articles this week with too many stories where they were slurred, harassed, at times violently. Sooo I don't buy the media reports (maariv, haaretz, yediot (pronounced idiot). Here is what I do see in this whole story. There is a wacko group called neturei karta who does have an extremist splinter group (even more extreme then them), who is ready to wreak havoc on anybody for their agenda. sikrikim are that splinter group. I did read an article of an interview with the mother of this girl. She claims that she's very comfortable in bet shemesh and she reiterated to the hiloni reporter that it's only a couple of troublemakers she's having issues with. Goes without saying, this didn't make it to print.

#1) Yes. One meshugene haredi, with secular media defaming all of them. been there seen it.
#2) Yes, they are out to kill all "troublemakers" (that's what they are inciting, I could provide links to support this claim, but it's against vin rules)

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

So what took the chilonim so long?
The dati have been dictating to them for over 60 years about shopping on Shabbos, transportation on Shabbos, what stores can sell, marriage standards to the point that thousand flee the country to marry elsewhere, etc. etc.
After having tried to dictate to the chilonim for sixty years they protest when the chilonim try to turn the tables!
And to add salt to the wounds, they publicly dance on the neshomos of 6,000,000 kedoshim! And they expect sympathy ?!?!?
And the Rabbonim actually are ok with it! Mind boggling!
It almost makes me want to hide my black hat afraid that someone might associate me with these chazeirim.

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:49 PM LEEAVE Says:

Reply to #2  
Reb Yid Says:

What on earth is this guy talking about? No one is committing acts of violence against the chareidim. No one is preventing them from observing the mitzvos. The chilonim are certainly disobeying the self-made rules that the chareidim have come up with, like buses and sidewalks, but that's not "doing anything" to the chareidim.

The chilonim are certainly disobeying the torah and trying to silence any observing frum jew

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:49 PM shredready Says:

even after seeing the reaction from people including frum yiddin they cannot see the error of this protest.

they are hopless i am afraid

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 Jan 01, 2012 at 10:54 PM mischazek Says:

Persecution?
All i see is huge shuls and yeshivas being built (who's paying for it by the way?) in every city across israel.

All i see is well-fed sikrikim, who look like farm animals in the pasture.

Besides, if the tzionim are like goyim (which a sikrik explained to me last night that they are), then why are they different than the ones who rule new york or london. I thought there's an issur of merida ba'umos, nu, who gave them the right to be mored?

In Brooklyn and in London they wouldn't dare do this kind of thing. Only in evil Zionist Israel, can they rampage about as they please while justifying their actions and always playing victims.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 12:24 AM Darth_Zeidah Says:

Reply to #12  
Torah is de besta schoira Says:

Really, is that so????
How about a nation built on values that shames the ONE ABOVE...calling itself "the JEWISH STATE".. really....? Gay parades and the like, mechalel shabbosim....that's the threat....
When people will come back to Torah and yiddishkeit, we will stop having internal, external threats...
Nothing can threaten us..When Yaakov is strong ...we are strong...!
Dangers to the state of Israel? The only danger is a spiritual one...that brings a charbon...and brings physical danger...nothing else. Go study a bit...and don't confuse yourself with the facts!!!!
Yes, we have people amongst us that don't act in a Torah'dig fashion. We are not perfect...but please.... a danger to the state of Israel? We have bigger problems than this!!!

In other words, what you are demanding is a theocracy along the lines of Iran and Saudi Arabia, with a religious police to enforce all the chumrot thyat can be plucked from the fantasies of the chareidi mind.

No, over my dead body! In fact, such a government will be built on and over the corpses and the bones of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of secular Israelis.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 01:10 AM benny45 Says:

Reply to #3  
1189 Says:

Something has to be done about both the haredi extremists and the settler movement. Both are huge dangers to the state of Israel, far greater then any external threats.

Whoa man, are you serious?? Are they a threat to the existence of Israel? Are they threatening to wipe Israel off the map? Come on now, be rational and don't make such foolish, antisemitic comments.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 01:22 AM Anonymous Says:

only when thay gave back gush katif was it allowed to wear yellow stars and carry signs nazis traitor. hipocrites!!!!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 03:04 AM 7 WONDERS Says:

I would like to get an answer from anyone. Why is it that when the seculars get offended and spit in others faces, it's alright? For instance I witnessed a few of them spitting at NK people while protesting with Arabs. If Israel is the democratic country you claim it to be, you have to tolerate freedom of speech or expression, of all sorts. But since you become offended, like most commentators here do, you gotta understand that the extremist of the Hasidim become offended too from provocative clothing, in their eyes.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 03:17 AM HaNavon Says:

Take them out and make an example of them according to the halachah in choshen mishpat...
beat them severely to stop others from following them.

these same chevra tried starting up with gur....then gur grabbed a few and put them within inches of their lives. they never started with gur again

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 04:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Just come off it..he is not talking about this one incident, so don't go and make believe it's all about that.This is not a new problem in Israel, been going on for a long time...just building up to this...
Yes,spitting is wrong....we all know that...but get with it...PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LET SOME PEOPLE LIVE THE LIVES THEY CHOOSE TO IN A DEMOCRATIC ISRAEL.
Guess what, I am not on their side at all. . . but they have also been harrassed for a long time, not being able to do things they choose ...having a "private" bus.... private, not Eged...and other things.It didn't start with one incident..You just came into this now...this is all old stuff...snowballing...

And the news media is totally totally against them since they have an agenda to have a leftist PM to give the PLO whatever they want; because they think this will bring peace. Look at what the Arab Spring is doing for Israel with the treaty. The media also did not say 1 word about how many frum people were spat upon since this nonsense started. The nobel prize winner, this year is yelling at a 4 year; that makes a lot of sense. Spitting is wrong but what the media is doing is Crime-al

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 05:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Reb Yid Says:

What on earth is this guy talking about? No one is committing acts of violence against the chareidim. No one is preventing them from observing the mitzvos. The chilonim are certainly disobeying the self-made rules that the chareidim have come up with, like buses and sidewalks, but that's not "doing anything" to the chareidim.

In your opinion then, the Germans have done nothing to the jews. They just let everyone know this store belongs to a jew and you shouldn't buy there.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 05:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
tzionyus Says:

I agree that the secular media is leading a nasty campaign against chareidim and this is going on for years! but these ridiculous moves like spitting on little girls or protesting in yellow stars is an even worse campaign against chareidim!!!! what is the world suppose to say when seeing the so called kanooim dressing in uniforms the nazi animals dressed our parents before killing 6,000,000 of them?!?!?!?!

Stop already with the "spitting on little girls". One. Hear that? ONE person spit on a little girl. You are ready to kill a whole community because o' this? Gimme a break bro.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 05:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
tzionyus Says:

I agree that the secular media is leading a nasty campaign against chareidim and this is going on for years! but these ridiculous moves like spitting on little girls or protesting in yellow stars is an even worse campaign against chareidim!!!! what is the world suppose to say when seeing the so called kanooim dressing in uniforms the nazi animals dressed our parents before killing 6,000,000 of them?!?!?!?!

What is the world suposed to say? The see that the chilonim aint any better then the germans. That the Israeli police aint any better then the Naziz.
You're concerned for the koved of the six million kedoishim? When in the same breath you'll say r"l "why didn't they kill your parents"? af"l

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 05:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

So what took the chilonim so long?
The dati have been dictating to them for over 60 years about shopping on Shabbos, transportation on Shabbos, what stores can sell, marriage standards to the point that thousand flee the country to marry elsewhere, etc. etc.
After having tried to dictate to the chilonim for sixty years they protest when the chilonim try to turn the tables!
And to add salt to the wounds, they publicly dance on the neshomos of 6,000,000 kedoshim! And they expect sympathy ?!?!?
And the Rabbonim actually are ok with it! Mind boggling!
It almost makes me want to hide my black hat afraid that someone might associate me with these chazeirim.

did u just copy and paste from the "shturmer" or where u so well trained by them. Sure sound like one of then.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 05:55 AM menachemwh Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Just come off it..he is not talking about this one incident, so don't go and make believe it's all about that.This is not a new problem in Israel, been going on for a long time...just building up to this...
Yes,spitting is wrong....we all know that...but get with it...PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LET SOME PEOPLE LIVE THE LIVES THEY CHOOSE TO IN A DEMOCRATIC ISRAEL.
Guess what, I am not on their side at all. . . but they have also been harrassed for a long time, not being able to do things they choose ...having a "private" bus.... private, not Eged...and other things.It didn't start with one incident..You just came into this now...this is all old stuff...snowballing...

ok so lets name but a few. mannys store,;parling lot demonstrations,pn shabbos walking in circles during the moment of silence, throwing rocks at people not being dressed properly, demonstration against the company that employed non jews on shabbos.........lets not forget our summer trips to Iran to stand shoulder to shoulder with them. Now waht ae the secularlist doing to them> Giving money to sit in yeshiva to learn,,,,unemployment benefits etc

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 07:36 AM concerned_Jew Says:

Reply to #13  
Longbeach Says:

For the Charedim (the ones dressed like chassidim) ITS ALL A GAME. They just relish the action and the attention. It has nothing to do with Tznius. If the buses are not tznius enough they should get off the bus and take a taxi,however this is not their real intention. They have a lot of Chutzpa to impose anything on anyone. Forget about the spitting, who gives them the right to open up their mouth to another passenger on the bus? This is 2012 there is no such thing as segregation on public buses. Who are their Rabbonim? They have none!!! These people listen to no one, and only create a massive Chillul Hashem. The mainstream media doesn't realize its just a SHTICK, these "chassidim" don't believe themselves in what they are trying to impose onto others. They have way to much time on their hands. The latest photos of these chassidim with Holocaust garb is just a continuation of the GAME, you could see all the adults SMILING in the background!! All major Jewish Organizations and their Rabbonim, should denounce these groups of "phony charedim" and differentiate themselves between real Chasidim, which by them the Torah is "deracheha darchei noam" and lehavdil these, rabble rousers.

You are falling under the thinking of the Yezer Hara. I was watch a documentary on the rise of Nazism and one of the things that they did in the beginning in order to divide and conquer the Jews was to make a difference between "good" Jews and "bad" Jews. The German Jews thought that Nazism won't affect me, it's the trashy Eastern European, the bearded dirty Jews that are bothering them. Not me, I'm German like they are they won't bother me. Get the idea. Don't be fooled into thinking there is a difference between us and them when it comes to Jews; it's all us.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 07:41 AM sechelhayusher Says:

Reply to #6  
Lodzker Says:

He is right. But people will dismiss the event because ppl think its a protest about bet shemesh or sikeikim rather than secular and official incitement against charedim. If western media spoke of Jews the way Israeli media does then ADL would be in a fit. I personally think its extreme to have this imagery, but its not intirely misplaced.

well said, you got a good piont
besides all coments above aren't to the direct piont, as the media isn't just on the girls school subject itself (which we could understand a bit the media's position), they are draging in the seperate gender issue, which is totally against our position, they are trying with all there might to give the chelonim a bad image on the charedi jewry, and its really playing into their hands, with the help of alot our own frum-yidden coming out and denouning things that chould't be (not talking about spitting etc.)

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:06 AM sam46th Says:

The don't have internet so thay are not aware of the huge chillul hashem they made last week.
They never learned secular studies so they don't know holocaust history. Is the message they are saying that "kristalnacht" was forcing people on non segregated buses?

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:07 AM sam46th Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Just come off it..he is not talking about this one incident, so don't go and make believe it's all about that.This is not a new problem in Israel, been going on for a long time...just building up to this...
Yes,spitting is wrong....we all know that...but get with it...PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO LET SOME PEOPLE LIVE THE LIVES THEY CHOOSE TO IN A DEMOCRATIC ISRAEL.
Guess what, I am not on their side at all. . . but they have also been harrassed for a long time, not being able to do things they choose ...having a "private" bus.... private, not Eged...and other things.It didn't start with one incident..You just came into this now...this is all old stuff...snowballing...

So that's why they demostrated Karta parking lot last year?

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:13 AM DB_from_LI Says:

Feh......... I cant believe yoy are trying to justify their behavior. If what you say is true and the country you live in is trying to eliminate your soul (if you still have one), then GET OUT QUICK! No one is keeping you there. Forget about the Tzaar you cause the rest of Klal Yisroel, to inflict additional Tzaar on holocaust survivors is beyond the pale.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:26 AM favish Says:

Reply to #19  
Darth_Zeidah Says:

In other words, what you are demanding is a theocracy along the lines of Iran and Saudi Arabia, with a religious police to enforce all the chumrot thyat can be plucked from the fantasies of the chareidi mind.

No, over my dead body! In fact, such a government will be built on and over the corpses and the bones of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of secular Israelis.

and do you know thats the halacha. What rights do jews have to eretz yisroel only because of the torah which includes written and oral. Tehilim' vnosan lohem artzos goyim b'avir yismeru chukosof vatorosof'.80% yidden have no claim to eretz hakcdosha becAUSe THEY DONT BELIVE IN THE BASIC PRECEPTS OF JUSDAISM (line 2) (reform, conservative, centrists, and that spiritual cancer is creeping into plenty MO.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:50 AM 5towns Says:

Forget secular, these men have been starting up with frum people - just that they don't harbor the same version of female tznuit dress as they do. So there is no such thing as a chumra in their view, all is base halacha and required of all jews. That's what's scaring me now. It's one thing to hope that people become more religious, it's quite another to have your way is the only way.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:55 AM bubii Says:

Reply to #19  
Darth_Zeidah Says:

In other words, what you are demanding is a theocracy along the lines of Iran and Saudi Arabia, with a religious police to enforce all the chumrot thyat can be plucked from the fantasies of the chareidi mind.

No, over my dead body! In fact, such a government will be built on and over the corpses and the bones of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of secular Israelis.

This is what they are all about domination theese hareidim just want to dominate others like the muhlahs in iran that is the only way they feel good about themselfs,they want to play g-d with everyone else to satisfy their selfagrandizing ego.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 08:58 AM bubii Says:

Reply to #16  
LEEAVE Says:

The chilonim are certainly disobeying the torah and trying to silence any observing frum jew

Now you want to dictate to others like in iran with the muhlas how to conduct their everyday life this is what you are all about domination to make you feel good about youreself,you are living in a bygone era wake up before its too late this is the 21s t century not 1000 b.c. fershteist di shoite

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 09:13 AM lazer12 Says:

Reply to #2  
Reb Yid Says:

What on earth is this guy talking about? No one is committing acts of violence against the chareidim. No one is preventing them from observing the mitzvos. The chilonim are certainly disobeying the self-made rules that the chareidim have come up with, like buses and sidewalks, but that's not "doing anything" to the chareidim.

Wow after reading all your comments looks like you guys need to open your eyes what's really going in in here the תוקשורת (media) harassing us all the time for doing (even when we are doing nothing wrong!!!!) it's not just from now it's from all the time they just keep on digging up on us dirt just because they cant stand the way we live and #2 and all of you dirt bags self hating Jews out there just open your eyes just for a second and look around who is realy right!!

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 09:31 AM sane Says:

If they want respect then they have to give respect. They have no respect for the Medinah so why should the Medinah respect them?

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 10:03 AM bubii Says:

Reply to #39  
lazer12 Says:

Wow after reading all your comments looks like you guys need to open your eyes what's really going in in here the תוקשורת (media) harassing us all the time for doing (even when we are doing nothing wrong!!!!) it's not just from now it's from all the time they just keep on digging up on us dirt just because they cant stand the way we live and #2 and all of you dirt bags self hating Jews out there just open your eyes just for a second and look around who is realy right!!

With people like you who needs enemies

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 11:07 AM CommonSense Says:

Don't you realize...the only reason we are getting all bent out of shape is because we see and hear and are enmeshed in secular culture and are embarrassed by these actions.
These people live in their own button and are not effected and don't give a hoot about what anyone else says.

As for the dangers these people and to some extant settlers who disregard authority present..I agree that it's a huge problem for the State.
It's a matter of simple trajectory..
Growing in population..becoming more and more radical..and entrenched
Somethings gotta give

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 01:47 PM sam46th Says:

The don't have internet so thay are not aware of the huge chillul hashem they made last week.
They never learned secular studies so they don't know holocaust history. Is the message they are saying that "kristalnacht" was forcing people on non segregated buses?

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 02:30 PM Dalmally Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

did u just copy and paste from the "shturmer" or where u so well trained by them. Sure sound like one of then.

Actually, every word is absolutely and incontrovertibly correct. It's not from any Nazi propaganda sheet, it's taken from the pages of contemporary Israeli history so stop being so silly.

As someone else has written here, the chilonim are here to stay in the state of Israel. They have used their sweat and muscles to build up the state and their blood has been spilled defending it.

They are _not_ going to go away - that should be absolutely crystal clear to everybody.

So charedim of every shade, stop your naarishkeit and do your bit to repair the terrible damage caused recently.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 02:16 PM Beckford Says:

Reply to #35  
favish Says:

and do you know thats the halacha. What rights do jews have to eretz yisroel only because of the torah which includes written and oral. Tehilim' vnosan lohem artzos goyim b'avir yismeru chukosof vatorosof'.80% yidden have no claim to eretz hakcdosha becAUSe THEY DONT BELIVE IN THE BASIC PRECEPTS OF JUSDAISM (line 2) (reform, conservative, centrists, and that spiritual cancer is creeping into plenty MO.

Favish, Darth_Zeidah is quite correct. No one has any right whatsoever to take the law (or the 'din' in this case) into his own hands and force other people to comply with his hashkafa. If you honestly believe that you do have that right then you are in for a very nasty surprise.

As for your opinion that "80% yidden have no claim to eretz hakcdosha becAUSe THEY DONT BELIVE IN THE BASIC PRECEPTS OF JUSDAISM (line 2) (reform, conservative, centrists, and that spiritual cancer is creeping into plenty MO" may I remind you that possession is nine tenths of the law.

Like it or not, get used to the fact that chilonim live in Israel, defend it, provide essential services such as electricity, water, sewage disposal, street lighting, roads, hospitals and the funds to support chareidi institutions. Please do not insult our intelligence by saying that you have never used any of those, because you would be lying.

Either get used to the fact that you are just going to have to share the land of Israel with the chiloni medinah shel chessed or pack your bags and leave.

Where you will go to I leave to you to decide. How about Iran or Saudi Arabia? They are also chareidi nations as well.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
5towns Says:

Forget secular, these men have been starting up with frum people - just that they don't harbor the same version of female tznuit dress as they do. So there is no such thing as a chumra in their view, all is base halacha and required of all jews. That's what's scaring me now. It's one thing to hope that people become more religious, it's quite another to have your way is the only way.

Back to Hebrew basics, 5towns #36.

The word you really wanted was צניעות, which transliterates as 'tzniut' (or 'tznius', if you prefer), and not that hotchpotch of muddled up letters that you employed.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 02:01 PM Darth_Zeidah Says:

Reply to #39  
lazer12 Says:

Wow after reading all your comments looks like you guys need to open your eyes what's really going in in here the תוקשורת (media) harassing us all the time for doing (even when we are doing nothing wrong!!!!) it's not just from now it's from all the time they just keep on digging up on us dirt just because they cant stand the way we live and #2 and all of you dirt bags self hating Jews out there just open your eyes just for a second and look around who is realy right!!

If you are going to use Hebrew in your otherwise English (after a fashion) message, at least spell it correctly. The word you really needed is תקשורת, without a 'vav' after the initial 'taf'.

Your English is pretty poor too. Aside from your bad spelling, 94 words in a single sentence with not a single punctuation mark is appalling.

I will be charitable and not pass comment on the actual content of your message except for the fact that it is clichéd, paranoid, insulting and plain corny. Why didn't you use your valuable time to tell us something original; something we did not already know?

You really must do better than that, lazer12, if you want anyone to take you seriously.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 03:53 PM jay Says:

Ok by now everybody got the news. Now please stop these news. Thank you.

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 Jan 02, 2012 at 06:58 PM MaidofCH Says:

Ironically it's because of the Holocaust that they're acting this way. This historical tragedy has traumatically intensified the culture of fear and punishment in the Charedi world. Add to this the rapidly changing decadence West. The increasing chumrahs are basically a reaction, as unfortunately the growing paranoia.

I don't blame people for wanting to shield themselves against shmutz or feeling bewildered by a rapidly changing world. But attacking or scapegoating others (particularly women) reeks of unhealthy obsession and a frantic desire to regress. Ironically, that's how Nazism or even the Inquisition began. The psychology is the same.

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 Jan 03, 2012 at 02:28 AM Secular Jew Says:

"Where you will go to I leave to you to decide. How about Iran or Saudi Arabia? They are also chareidi nations as well."

Comparing haredim to Islamists is just as offensive as the Nazi comparisons in the demos.

When will hilonim learn to compromise with haredim on minhagim and above all to stop their brutal hatred of haredim?

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 Jan 03, 2012 at 06:07 AM Avreich1 Says:

Reply to #51  
Secular Jew Says:

"Where you will go to I leave to you to decide. How about Iran or Saudi Arabia? They are also chareidi nations as well."

Comparing haredim to Islamists is just as offensive as the Nazi comparisons in the demos.

When will hilonim learn to compromise with haredim on minhagim and above all to stop their brutal hatred of haredim?

"When will hilonim learn to compromise with haredim on minhagim and above all to stop their brutal hatred of haredim?"

What would Secular Jew #51 say if his final sentence were to be altered a little When will the haredim learn to compromise with the hilonim on minhagim?

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 Jan 03, 2012 at 11:41 AM Darth_Zeidah Says:

Reply to #51  
Secular Jew Says:

"Where you will go to I leave to you to decide. How about Iran or Saudi Arabia? They are also chareidi nations as well."

Comparing haredim to Islamists is just as offensive as the Nazi comparisons in the demos.

When will hilonim learn to compromise with haredim on minhagim and above all to stop their brutal hatred of haredim?

Secular Jew has clearly and conveniently forgotten the intrinsic meaning of the word חרדי: fearful, as in G-d fearing.

Jews do not have exclusive rights to being G-d fearing (or חרדי, if you prefer), even though this concept might be a revolutionary anathema to Secular Jew.

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