“ Wasnt the Satmar rebbe saved by a Zionist? ”

“ Wasnt the Satmar rebbe saved by a Zionist? ”

“ I really enjoyed kissufim... And no I am not chassidish and no I did not copy the cd. I am utterly insulted by his insensitive, inflammatory, and provocative words. Is he a statistician with empirical evidence proving his assertion. Let him stick to music and keep his mouth shut on issues he is not an expert in. For all you chassidim (who as it is are disobeying the rebbe's by being online) think about this before you comment!
I am also sure the Rebbe zt ”

“ yep and never ever had the decency to thank them

anyway the problem with the Chareidi is only with the radicals. (0% live in peace with everybody and have no problems
did the satmer rebbie foresaw that the secular Zennist would fund his followers lifestyle and fund thousands that learn in kollel? No he did not, and if he did again no thank you.

he was a tzadiuk however that does not mean he was 100% correct in every single thing he believed or said. If you believe that, then you are equating him to a G-d. Everybody makes mistakes even Moshe rabanua so say the gemorah

anyway there where are are many other gadolem you who did not agree with him

so blast me if you want ”

“ Wasnt the Satmar rebbe saved by a Zionist? ”

“ MBD You're 100% right we discussed this here in Bais Medrash Gevoha, wow how Satmar Rav knew exactly what will happen. Amazing ”

“ Quoting the Satmar Rebbe, Reb Yoel, zt’l, MBD called the continuous clashes between the Chiloni and Chareidi community very frightening.
“The Satmar Rebbe, R’ Yoelish was correct. He was completely right. He said there would come a time when Chareidi Jews would not be able to live in Eretz Yisroel. Hashem Yiracheim.”


This is INCORRECT!! I was there last night and this is not what MBD said! MBD said the exact opposite. That there will come a time when Jews would not be able to live in America! ”

“ If he thinks the Satmar REbbe Z"L is so right, then maybe when MBD sings he could stop wiggling and gyrating which I am sure the Satmar Rebbe was also correct that it is far from Yiddish let alone Chassidish. Sing and dance on stage like a Yid ”

“ i had a very enlightening conversation with a young israeli woaman who told me the reason many secular israelis hate the chareidim is because they don't work or go into the army and so the seculars feel very used.can you blame them? ”

“ I really enjoyed kissufim... And no I am not chassidish and no I did not copy the cd. I am utterly insulted by his insensitive, inflammatory, and provocative words. Is he a statistician with empirical evidence proving his assertion. Let him stick to music and keep his mouth shut on issues he is not an expert in. For all you chassidim (who as it is are disobeying the rebbe's by being online) think about this before you comment!
I am also sure the Rebbe zt ”

“ yep and never ever had the decency to thank them

anyway the problem with the Chareidi is only with the radicals. (0% live in peace with everybody and have no problems
did the satmer rebbie foresaw that the secular Zennist would fund his followers lifestyle and fund thousands that learn in kollel? No he did not, and if he did again no thank you.

he was a tzadiuk however that does not mean he was 100% correct in every single thing he believed or said. If you believe that, then you are equating him to a G-d. Everybody makes mistakes even Moshe rabanua so say the gemorah

anyway there where are are many other gadolem you who did not agree with him

so blast me if you want ”

“ yep and never ever had the decency to thank them

anyway the problem with the Chareidi is only with the radicals. (0% live in peace with everybody and have no problems
did the satmer rebbie foresaw that the secular Zennist would fund his followers lifestyle and fund thousands that learn in kollel? No he did not, and if he did again no thank you.

he was a tzadiuk however that does not mean he was 100% correct in every single thing he believed or said. If you believe that, then you are equating him to a G-d. Everybody makes mistakes even Moshe rabanua so say the gemorah

anyway there where are are many other gadolem you who did not agree with him

so blast me if you want ”

“ Chareidi Meltdown Timeline:

1. Following forty years of staggering provocation, a radical chassidic sect finally fulfills countless rueful predictions that one day, its misguided version of strict Torah observance will morph into full blown Shaaria.

2. (Too few) legitimate Chareidi leaders grow a pair and start pushing back (forty years too late).

3. A quarter of Israel's Chareidim shake off their stupor and admit they let this happen.

4. The rest don't fully understand why the current crisis is a problem.

5. Radical chassidic sect don't fully understand why anyone would oppose their embrace of Arab street justice and claim they're victims of Israel's secular media.

6. A washed out, American musical has-been takes up their cause.

7. The moron corner of the VIN comment section nods in agreement.

8. Moshiach flips his srugi and hands in his resignation. ”

“ Many of us don't hold by what MBD says or what the Satmar Rebbe paskined. Sorry to disapoint those that do. ”

“ It gets me nervous when pop stars start making political statements and get involved in giving commentary on current events. Please stick to what you do best...singing! Lhavdil when the goyishe actors and stars put in their 2 cents into current events It gets me nervous too. I never could understand what makes their statement get to the headlines? What are they different then charliehall when it comes to analysis of the news? ”

“ yep and never ever had the decency to thank them

anyway the problem with the Chareidi is only with the radicals. (0% live in peace with everybody and have no problems
did the satmer rebbie foresaw that the secular Zennist would fund his followers lifestyle and fund thousands that learn in kollel? No he did not, and if he did again no thank you.

he was a tzadiuk however that does not mean he was 100% correct in every single thing he believed or said. If you believe that, then you are equating him to a G-d. Everybody makes mistakes even Moshe rabanua so say the gemorah

anyway there where are are many other gadolem you who did not agree with him

so blast me if you want ”

“ Last I heard, there are zero problems outside of meah shearim and ramat bet shemesh.
It's mostly his radical followers that have major problems.
And yes, the leftist media is inciting against all charedim because of these extremists. Not that anything has really changed elsewhere. Most Israelis aren't anti-semites. ”

“ and only you leftist, torah haters have free speech. but not anyone else.Give a good reason wha he shouldnt make his( aka torah) view known. like those talk host say 'lieberalism is an uncurable disease' ”

“ A ) Your chutzpediga opening comment is totally wrong...
The fact is that the Satmar Rebbe did exude tremendous Hakures Hatoiv to all individuals that were involved in saving him.
I once heard from a person who was eyewitness when a frei looking person came to visit the Satmar rav, who welcomed him warmly & gave him a large donation, explaining afterward, that this person helped him on the train when he was saved in WW2


B ) The thousands of his followers DO NOT take ANY funding for their Schools & Kollelim..

Do you live on Mars??? ”

“ Satmar Rebbe wasnt saved by the good merits of Zionists. The survivors should thank the R' Michoel Ber Weismandel founder of the idea of bribing Wisliceny, and initiator of the SS talks. Only after the Va'adat Ha-Ezrah by Kastner pushed them out of negotiations (and greatly reduced the number of refugees), to advance their own secular Zionist elite, they were rescued. And make no mistake, they did not selected Stamar Rebbe because they liked him (they actually hated him), or because some random selection (which would still not owe them a thanks after brushing them aside). They included him because the large sums of money they received from Chaim Roth personally on his behalf, and because of Dr. Fischer father-in-law of Kastner which was influenced by a repeating dream of his mother who warned him about Satmar Rebbe.

Now fact #2 which you got wrong, Satmar Rebbe wasn't a supporter of this Kollel business. He urged his Chasidim to go to work (even nowadays the Satmar don't spend relatively so long in Kollel). Your urge to find wrongs in Satmar Rebbe based on your own assumptions and some Gemarah which you hold on to so tightly, deserves condemnation by anyone caring 4 peace among us ”

“ First of all, I will be dan lekav zchus and say that MBD was misquoted. If he wasn't, I hope he is ready to ask mechila from all of the non chassidim in Monsey, monroe, BP and williamsburgh and all yidden who don't live in Monsey, monroe, BP and williamsburgh who (in his view) are obviously all criminals and never pick up a Sefer to learn because his CD's dont sell well there. Or maybe it's because they don't like his music!!! ”

“ MBD You're 100% right we discussed this here in Bais Medrash Gevoha, wow how Satmar Rav knew exactly what will happen. Amazing ”

“ I know what you are saying but this comes not from people they know but from the lying mass media. Yes charedi do go to the army; and yes charedi people do work.
I know I have 5 sons who are charedi 4 have been in the army and all 5 are working;
Will the mass media stop the needless hatred and for once write the truth" ”

“ If you believe that "Moshiach flips his srugi and hands in his resignation", then I will have to add you to "the moron corner of the VIN comment section"!

Truth to be told, I have done that a long time ago just based on your username, but then I decided to be Dan L'Kaf Zechus and imagine that you are "grumpy" because some Sikrik spat on you, but once you came along with this brilliant comment (esp. #8), I felt that the time has come to re-enroll you into "the moron corner of the VIN comment section".

Good luck!

BTW, what is "srugi"? ”

“ It is a shame that with all our tzuris and with all the learning that takes place in our yeshivos, and all the expertise in the minutae in Halacha , we still cannot follow a rule as simple as "הוי דן את כל האדם לכף זכות". ”

“ The S"R in VaYoel Moshe (1961):

"Even according to the natural order, were they to yield their government and Zionist State, there is no doubt that the United Nations could make arrangements to prevent war and bloodshed. How could anyone think that our holy Torah approves of shedding the blood of Jews because of this impure State? "

Anyone who followed the news of, literally, millions of people slaughtered under the watchful eye of UN "peacekeepers" in Yugoslavia and Congo/Zaire/Rwanda over the last 20 years should read those lines and recoil in horror. The Rebbe recommended dissolving the State of Israel and leaving the millions of Jews there to the tender mercies of the same UN who left such a trail of blood and bodies wherever it went. He got the characterization of the UN completely wrong. How can anyone possibly trust his vision. I submit that had Klal Yisroel followed his recommendations we would have seen a "second Holocaust" rivaling the first within a generation.

The Rebbe was wrong. Period! ”

“ Wow. A satmar friend just told me. On lee ave they sold more then 2000 CD's off MBD. In any case I agree the holy satmar Rabbi was right 100 percent. And even the chiloinei say it. ...... Fact Israel is not a safe place for jews ”

“ And lets face most satmerers children are raised that anyone less than them are goyim and shaigetz etc.. No respect for others even frum or even other chassidus.. I once was by my uncle in Monroe for shabbos and because i had a tie and maybe a little hair trop, the children called me sheigetz and goy...

Is that the way of torah of respect??? As the Rebbe said you have to be careful of kannaus as most times it comes from the yetzer harah!! ”

“ the 2nd world war came only because of the "rayan hatzionis" as the gemurah says if u take a medina before the time I will be mafkir your bodys like the dears (and not that something from gemurah needs back up but hitler ymach shmoie in his book my kamf said the same words he will making jewish bodys hafker like the deer's) ”

“ In matter of fact, my dear friend, you are spewing pure idiocy! I am right-wing, both politically and religiously. If you would have paid an iota of attention to what I wrote, you would have noticed that I specifically addressed the issue of his claiming that only chassidim learn shulchan aruch and follow it. What a childish and stupid comment to make! V'hameivin yavin, that roiv of the great poskim were from the yeshiva velt, including the chassidisha ones that spent a considerably amount of time in the "litvishe" yeshivas. I don't want to go on offending any group of people, as that would be unacceptable and rather brazen.
You feibish dear should be educated by someone besides for rush limbaugh and some cute ma'aselach some "rebbe" told you. Ever consider having some sedarin at the local yeshiva as some of us have? Learn from greater and smarter people.
Additionally, it happens to be that HaRav Yoelish is one the great gedolim of the last century that I admire deeply and love his seforim. ”

“ Actually, it's The Belzer Rebbe who is proving to be right.
He's the one that said that..it's not evil nor is it the redemption..rather it's a chessed of Hashem that he gave us the opportunity to live in Eretz Yisroel. But in terms of the State it should be approached and viewed as any other State that we're living in. That includes respecting the State and it's laws and contributing to it's wellbeing..without all the emotion that's bringing this State to it's knees. ”

“ yep and never ever had the decency to thank them

anyway the problem with the Chareidi is only with the radicals. (0% live in peace with everybody and have no problems
did the satmer rebbie foresaw that the secular Zennist would fund his followers lifestyle and fund thousands that learn in kollel? No he did not, and if he did again no thank you.

he was a tzadiuk however that does not mean he was 100% correct in every single thing he believed or said. If you believe that, then you are equating him to a G-d. Everybody makes mistakes even Moshe rabanua so say the gemorah

anyway there where are are many other gadolem you who did not agree with him

so blast me if you want ”

“ And wasnt moshe rabbeinu save by an Egyption. y
Your not the 1st one to make such stupid commen T.And if a christian saves one he should become christian?? ”

“ i had a very enlightening conversation with a young israeli woaman who told me the reason many secular israelis hate the chareidim is because they don't work or go into the army and so the seculars feel very used.can you blame them? ”

“ let him stick to music!!
this would be like a rov telling him he is singing off key!!
by the way im not chassidish and i have NEVER copied a CD ”

“ To fight zionism today is like someone going around America screaming that we need to fight off communism.. Hello .. Yes there was a threat 30-40 years ago of comunism but those days are gone.. same with the medinah.. Once people also rode horses but we now ride cars..

Today yiddishkeit and torah is alive and vibrant and flourishing in israel!!

But that doesnt mean you have a right to denigrate others.. ”

“ And lets face most satmerers children are raised that anyone less than them are goyim and shaigetz etc.. No respect for others even frum or even other chassidus.. I once was by my uncle in Monroe for shabbos and because i had a tie and maybe a little hair trop, the children called me sheigetz and goy...

Is that the way of torah of respect??? As the Rebbe said you have to be careful of kannaus as most times it comes from the yetzer harah!! ”

“ mbd keep to the music politics are not for you ”

“ the 2nd world war came only because of the "rayan hatzionis" as the gemurah says if u take a medina before the time I will be mafkir your bodys like the dears (and not that something from gemurah needs back up but hitler ymach shmoie in his book my kamf said the same words he will making jewish bodys hafker like the deer's) ”

“ First, my "dear", the animal is spelled "deer" and is also used for plural.
1. Please check the Gemara at the end of Kesuvos ... It does not talk about a Medinah - it says that if Jews go up to Eretz Yisroel "B'Choma" (Rashi: Most Jews go up to Israel before the time) - it is talking about mass aliyah, which never happened.
2. It also talking about forcing to go to E.Y against the will of the Nations. Since Israel was approved by the UN, doing Aliyah there is acceptable. [See SHU'T Avnei Nezer,who says that if the Rulers of E.Y allow Aliya, then it is a Mtzvah even acc. to "3 vows"]. Proof comes from Satmar Rebbi himself. He allowed his Hasidim to live/visit the "pre-67' areas of Israel because it was given by the UN; however, he did not allow to live/visit the areas captured after '67 because he held that it was taken 'by force". (Some Gedolim disagreed with him on this point.) In any case, the pre-67 areas were OK even acc. to Satmar,
3. The '3 vows' are not brought down in Rambam's code ; there are many who said that since the Umos violated their vows by tormenting the Jews in Galus, the other vows are nullified. ”

“ “That the chasidishe velt doesn’t copy or steal like the others” What is this suppose to mean?

And he’s completely off on the other stuff as well, Satmar Rebbe did not refer to this in context when haradim are attacking and spiting on other Orthodox Jews. And when arrested for attacking other Jews, they would compare it to the Holocaust.
Shame on MBD for the above statements. ”

“ That is what most charedim want to do. Some even want to be more involved with the state, but after incidents like the kol isha gezera, they feel they are being rebuffed and the state indeed does exist to secularize them as was the case at the beginning.

It is the state and its institutions that try to force Jews to become "Israelis," just as the USSR tried to invent a Soviet nationality. The US melting pot failed too, but the US realized that so long as you don't make real trouble, you can be who you believe you should be, and now the whole melting pot is history.

Who is behind the bus mess? Secular Egged, that blocked the private mehadrin buses. Egged is a symbol of the state from day one, and I think it even existed as a socialist cooperative before 1948.

Who is behind the meshiggeners? The ShaBaK and the police, and leftists, along with a small but vocal group of leftover dati leumi state worshippers (a dying breed B"H but reinforced by some newcomers from the US who are fleeing high day school tuition in the US while still working there via the Net) who egg them on. If the loonies were not of use to the left and the state, there would be more arrests and real jail time. ”

“ BTW it was very clear from the audio that MBD's remarks about Chassidim not copying were semi-facetious. ”

“ GO MBD!!! you already created this blog of 100 + comments, which shows how right you are, Chazk!! ”

“ “.... this proves to me that true Chasidim don’t copy music and those who are not so Chasidic are the ones who are doing the copying."

racist comment ”

“ Wasnt the Satmar rebbe saved by a Zionist? ”

“ Wasnt the Satmar rebbe saved by a Zionist? ”