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Jerusalem - A well known Rosh Yeshiva who is also a popular figure in the Sephardi kiruv world had nothing but contempt and scorn for Charedi Israeli extremists.
Rabbi Rafael Zar, Rosh Yeshiva of Yeshiva Ohr Dor – Ohr Yehuda, a noted baal mussar and considered by some as a spiritual leader, had strong words for those who resort to extreme measures, in the name of tznius.
“They are the worst kind of evildoers, far worse than the most secular individual,” said Rabbi Zar. “If I could I would break their arms and legs. This is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of Chazal. They would catch them, give them lashes and break their bones for their appalling behavior.
Spitting on women? I am appalled by this and any true Ben Torah feels the same way about this garbage. The people who do this are nothing more than garbage and they bring a foul stench to the scent of Torah in this world. It is repulsive. To spit on a Jewish Girl? Who do you think you are?
Anyone whose middos are so corrupt, is not a Jew in my eyes. He is an animal.”
“Someone who commits a Chilul Hashem like this does not deserve to have a beard. It is an embarrassment. According to the Holy Tazdik Baba Sali Zt’l there are Jews that when they will go to gehenim, the fire will start from their beard, because they don’t deserve to have a beard.”
Rabbi Zar further continued to lambast those have created the furor over segregation in Israel, saying that those who refuse to sit next to a woman on a bus should get off the bus and take a different bus with fewer women because a true yarei shomayim would not raise a commotion over an issue like this.
He also added that he suspects that many of those who pretend to be overly pious in public are probably guilty of transgressing the gravest sins that can be committed by a Jew in private.
Watch the full speech below.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Rav speak emes regarding the unimaginable chillul hashem committed by these chareidim and the wish that they should suffer physical retribution in olam hazeh for their actions in addition to what we are hoping will be their just rewards in gehenom.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:06 PM Facts1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
Rabbi Who?
Never heard of him before.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:02 PM shredready Says:Report as Inappropriate
a little strong but good for him for attacking this head on
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Jan 10, 2012 at 02:58 PM PrettyBoyFloyd Says:Report as Inappropriate
I believe he's right, but they think HE's the one who's irreligious. So who wins?
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Jan 10, 2012 at 02:58 PM Beardless and Proud Says:Report as Inappropriate
I am beardless and PROUD. Shaving off of their beards of these zealots is NOT a punishment. They are reshoim with or without their beards.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM ilovehashem Says:Report as Inappropriate
its about time that a rabbi will tell the truth about these crazy extemists ..kol hakavod to this rabbi for not bieng scared to tell the truth and to show how it is
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:13 PM MAYERFREUND Says:Report as Inappropriate
The author writes
"said Rabbi Zar. “If I could I would break their arms and legs."
please bring proof in witch mussar sefer it says to do this.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:11 PM farmer Says:Report as Inappropriate
If I grew up around rabbis like this I would probably still be religious.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:08 PM Erlich Says:Report as Inappropriate
My deepest appreciation for Rav Zar Shlitah. He is a remarkable Manhik, Jewish leader, for speaking out against the vile acts against Jewish girls and women. Kol Hakavod.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 02:55 PM Finally Says:Report as Inappropriate
Finally a normal yid says something!!!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:16 PM Yellow Cab Says:Report as Inappropriate
Why arent there more Rabbis coming out this way?
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:16 PM moshe1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
did he forgot the gamora bruchot daf 20a
Rav Adda bar Ahavah saw a Cutite woman who was wearing a
karbalta.4 He thought she was Jewish and got up and tore it from her. It was
discovered that she was a Cutite woman. They evaluated [his penalty] at 400 zuz.
He asked her: what is your name? She answered: Matun. He said to her: Matun
matun was worth four hundred zuz!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:17 PM Avi613 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“If I could I would break their arms and legs. This is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of Chazal. They would catch them, give them lashes and break their bones for their appalling behavior.
Then u r not really any better then them... They also believe that they have a right to do this..
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:26 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
So we have this unknown rabbi and we have rabonim from the edea hacridis well known gdolim
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:32 PM bedford Says:Report as Inappropriate
i guess he hates ashkanazim!!!!!!!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:48 PM Halaivy Says:Report as Inappropriate
Finally one so called rabbi (that we never heard of) agrees with the other side.
Who is he, whats his credentials, can he back up his claims besides with his feelings.
While we all condemned violence like spiting at a little girl he preaches violence and uses it to lower the standards of tznius.
The charedim of Yerushalyim have been strong on their yidishkeit for hundreds of years and that's why the Torah stayed so strong there.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Watching this clip he seems to me more like an entertainer than a noted Baal Mussar and a spiritual leader
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Jan 10, 2012 at 03:56 PM villyamsburger Says:Report as Inappropriate
Okay Rabbi relax!
Nowhere in the torah does is say that u can break arms and legs.
Take a chill pill and enjoy the new found fame!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:06 PM cp123 Says:Report as Inappropriate
never heard of him but boy is it refreshing to see this!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:08 PM MDG Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ did he forgot the gamora bruchot daf 20a
Rav Adda bar Ahavah saw a Cutite woman who was wearing a
karbalta.4 He thought she was Jewish and got up and tore it from her. It was
discovered that she was a Cutite woman. They evaluated [his penalty] at 400 zuz.
He asked her: what is your name? She answered: Matun. He said to her: Matun
matun was worth four hundred zuz! ”
So you see that when Rav Adda bar Ahavah was wrong, he was man enough to suffer the consequences. He tried his best to get the un-tsniut clothing off that lady. He did not spit, nor call her names, nor use violence.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:22 PM shredready Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Okay Rabbi relax!
Nowhere in the torah does is say that u can break arms and legs.
Take a chill pill and enjoy the new found fame! ”
you can kill and stone so this is mild
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
What does Rabbi Zar say about what the Zionists (including frum Zionists) do that is in violation of the Torah and the decree of Golus?? I am always amazed at the double standard.......
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:30 PM YossieW Says:Report as Inappropriate
This guy is NUTS but right!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:38 PM chaim.s Says:Report as Inappropriate
finally some refreshing words of sanity,from that insane asylum called mea shearim
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:47 PM tired Says:Report as Inappropriate
agree or don't agree but this is for sure, "who pretend to be overly pious in public are probably guilty of transgressing the gravest sins that can be committed by a Jew in private"cant argue the facts sorry but that's a fact children you know it yes you, if you think you are fooling anybody you are not
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:53 PM FALLSBURGER Says:Report as Inappropriate
If those 2 yingerleit from Beis Shemesh were arrested for allegedly distributing pictures of a police chief portrayed as a Na..... For inciting to violence,
Then this Rabbi who actually called for breaking arms & legs should be arrested as well for inciting violence.
But don't hold your breath.... He is calling for violence against those terrible chareidim...... its ok...
Did he also threaten to break the arms & legs of those settlers who attacked the holy IDF ???
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Jan 10, 2012 at 05:15 PM Babishka Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ did he forgot the gamora bruchot daf 20a
Rav Adda bar Ahavah saw a Cutite woman who was wearing a
karbalta.4 He thought she was Jewish and got up and tore it from her. It was
discovered that she was a Cutite woman. They evaluated [his penalty] at 400 zuz.
He asked her: what is your name? She answered: Matun. He said to her: Matun
matun was worth four hundred zuz! ”
He is lucky he only had to pay 400 zuz! She was the girlfriend of a Roman general.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 04:19 PM joek212 Says:Report as Inappropriate
So now all of you torah haters that don't really care what rabbonim have to say are rejoicing because a rabbi u never heard of is advocating violence but the badat"s that are renowned gedolim are idiots because they don't agree with you!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 05:31 PM ShmuelG Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So you see that when Rav Adda bar Ahavah was wrong, he was man enough to suffer the consequences. He tried his best to get the un-tsniut clothing off that lady. He did not spit, nor call her names, nor use violence. ”
Not sure about that, MDG. Ripping a beged off of a woman in public appears pretty violent to me.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:04 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
His last sentence is prob real true
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
i agree with all of you!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:16 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Rav Moshe Weinberger in Woodmere, Long Island, said the same thing in his Rav Kook shiur last week - he also encouraged violence against these guys and suggested that they are secretly sexual deviants
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:17 PM Benabenja Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Rabbi Who?
Never heard of him before. ”
Maybe becasue you are 1-a US citizen or 2-you are Aschkenazi.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:17 PM ConcernedMember Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ did he forgot the gamora bruchot daf 20a
Rav Adda bar Ahavah saw a Cutite woman who was wearing a
karbalta.4 He thought she was Jewish and got up and tore it from her. It was
discovered that she was a Cutite woman. They evaluated [his penalty] at 400 zuz.
He asked her: what is your name? She answered: Matun. He said to her: Matun
matun was worth four hundred zuz! ”
Are you really comparing these vile criminals to a great Amora????? That is disturbing.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:21 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So we have this unknown rabbi and we have rabonim from the edea hacridis well known gdolim ”
Unknown to you. In general, unfortunately, the Ashkenzi sphere doens't know well the Sefaradi sphere. That's disunity among klal'Israel.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:31 PM Torah logic Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So now all of you torah haters that don't really care what rabbonim have to say are rejoicing because a rabbi u never heard of is advocating violence but the badat"s that are renowned gedolim are idiots because they don't agree with you! ”
#28 Keep in mind we live in an olam hafuch, so just because renowned gedolim reached the top of the mountain as do entertainers, politicians, or sports players - don't think they are looked at so highly in shamayim. To shamayim it is fear that will give them entry not fame money or anything else.
They might know tons of Torah but they can lose all their olam haba if they embarass another jew or speak lashon hara which they do about many gedolim that are renowned. Check up the neturei karta website and see for yourself. Hashem just has patience or is giving them their reward here of being renowned in the world but that definitely isn't helping them.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 06:48 PM Torah logic Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Finally one so called rabbi (that we never heard of) agrees with the other side.
Who is he, whats his credentials, can he back up his claims besides with his feelings.
While we all condemned violence like spiting at a little girl he preaches violence and uses it to lower the standards of tznius.
The charedim of Yerushalyim have been strong on their yidishkeit for hundreds of years and that's why the Torah stayed so strong there. ”
Hey # 16. Not sure what Torah you're talking about that stayed with them. But if it's the 5 books of Moses they are definitely not following it. If it's another torah then they are apikorsim so please bring proofs with your own personal sikrikim views that they are specifically following Toras Hashem
FYI the charedim of yerushalayim of hundreds of years were probably of Rabbi Zar ancestry than of sikriki burnt out punks coming from anti semitic Europe who learned from their european hosts of France, germany, and england how to treat their jewish guests. Trust me they might learn Torah but they do not follow it. It is their sam hamavet to stone Rav Elyashiv, knuckle punch Rav Shteinman. Their so called leaders that ignore their actions will be punished as if they did it as chazal say in the posuk hocheach tochiach. Whether they to be authors of great seforim or roshei yeshivas. Those leaders of meah shearim who are not speaking as Rabbi Zar is to stop this chillul hashem shows how much they love Hashem
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:01 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Interesting how he rants and raves “If I could I would break their arms and legs. This is not just my opinion; it is the opinion of Chazal. They would catch them, give them lashes and break their bones for their appalling behavior. He also describes how would personally gouge out both eyes (probably because that’s what the torah wants you to do according to him) but finishes his speech that the way of the torah/his way is sweet and peaceful
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:06 PM joek212 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #28 Keep in mind we live in an olam hafuch, so just because renowned gedolim reached the top of the mountain as do entertainers, politicians, or sports players - don't think they are looked at so highly in shamayim. To shamayim it is fear that will give them entry not fame money or anything else.
They might know tons of Torah but they can lose all their olam haba if they embarass another jew or speak lashon hara which they do about many gedolim that are renowned. Check up the neturei karta website and see for yourself. Hashem just has patience or is giving them their reward here of being renowned in the world but that definitely isn't helping them. ”
Its unbelievable the lengths some people will go to discredit anybody including gdolim who disagree with them
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:34 PM oyoyoy Says:Report as Inappropriate
Message to the spitters and their supporters:
Tzniut is applicable to men as well.
Spitting and yelling at women is not tzniut.
If you want to serve Hashem, go learn and work to support your family and others who need it.
Next time you see a lady or girl, instead of inspecting her clothes ,maybe see if you can help her cope with the baby carriage or her peklach, unless of course you think her status is lower than your enemy's donkey (Shmot 23/5)
In that case please provide chapter and verse to substantiate your position.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:38 PM sechelhayusher Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Rav Moshe Weinberger in Woodmere, Long Island, said the same thing in his Rav Kook shiur last week - he also encouraged violence against these guys and suggested that they are secretly sexual deviants ”
1. so we have new two gedolei hador "daas torah" idiots,
2. why is spitting on a fellow jew more wrong then breaking hands and legs
3. both think the other side has some wrong doings according the torah, its or tzinuos, or violence etc. why does the sekrikem get to be worse then the most secular jew???
4. With all respect to his opinion as we all are against this spitting, but why is 'he not to called a jew'??? is spitting worse then to eat on yom kippur, chillul shabbos, nidah...
5. wwere is the love to a fellow charedi sinner, as your uncoditional love to every secular jew
so DAAS TORAH???????????
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:40 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Rav Moshe Weinberger in Woodmere, Long Island, said the same thing in his Rav Kook shiur last week - he also encouraged violence against these guys and suggested that they are secretly sexual deviants ”
To repeat myself, no evedence has beign brought on the spitting, listen again carefully to the 1st interview with the mother and daughter, listen good to the GIRLS WORDS you'll be suprised, nothing mentioned of spitting, just scared to go on street because the sekrukim are screaming!!, they have a right to protest as everyone has, the mother made up the rest, and the media blew it up, BE REALISTIC!
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Jan 10, 2012 at 07:48 PM HOWCOME Says:Report as Inappropriate
is the issue of spiting on woman equal to trying to organize busses in charedi neighborhood when the secular have there own busses? why is he com bining them?
on issue 1 noone agrees, spiting is off
issue 2, all our gedolim here in benei berak sweated for it years on years it should come to happen.
so what kind of godel is this rabbi, does sound like from yeshivish crowd
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Jan 10, 2012 at 08:00 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
Is breaking arms and legs not violance ????
He is talking the same way these kanaim are talking ... he says "who do they think they are" ...
And who do u think YOU are ???
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Jan 10, 2012 at 08:16 PM Ben_Kol Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Message to the spitters and their supporters:
Tzniut is applicable to men as well.
Spitting and yelling at women is not tzniut.
If you want to serve Hashem, go learn and work to support your family and others who need it.
Next time you see a lady or girl, instead of inspecting her clothes ,maybe see if you can help her cope with the baby carriage or her peklach, unless of course you think her status is lower than your enemy's donkey (Shmot 23/5)
In that case please provide chapter and verse to substantiate your position. ”
"spitting and yelling at women is not tzniut". That's a great point. Well said!
Allow me to add:
The purpose of tznius is to raise man above the level of animals. It is utterly absurd, therefore, to use animalistic behavior to enforce tznius.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 08:28 PM ItzikMechel Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ did he forgot the gamora bruchot daf 20a
Rav Adda bar Ahavah saw a Cutite woman who was wearing a
karbalta.4 He thought she was Jewish and got up and tore it from her. It was
discovered that she was a Cutite woman. They evaluated [his penalty] at 400 zuz.
He asked her: what is your name? She answered: Matun. He said to her: Matun
matun was worth four hundred zuz! ”
what's your question ?
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Jan 10, 2012 at 08:38 PM normaljew Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ i guess he hates ashkanazim!!!!!!! ”
no he just hates extremists I don't blame him he is 100% right
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Jan 10, 2012 at 08:41 PM harryw Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If I grew up around rabbis like this I would probably still be religious. ”
Just stay where you are. Its fine.
I see you get so excited when you read someone speak out against ultra orthodox. This very same rabbi is talking about shmiras shabbas and other aspects of torah life. Do you commend him for that too?
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Jan 10, 2012 at 10:05 PM torah logic Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Its unbelievable the lengths some people will go to discredit anybody including gdolim who disagree with them ”
"Its unbelievable the lengths some people will go to discredit anybody including gdolim who disagree with them”
Hello wake up the Torah disagrees with them. Chazal disagree with them. What makes them a gadol if not the Torah they disagree with or Chazal they do not heed. I cannot discredit a gadol. However the Torah will discredit them. There is but one Torah. There are sections in our holy Torah about monetary damage or physical damage that they believe do not apply. Why are they any different than a jew who doesn't keep shabbos on purpose in public. nothing.
Say to yourself what would Moshe Rabeinu do if he was here. if he were a sikriki leader. would he ignore as his students terrorize the town. Get real
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Jan 10, 2012 at 10:18 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
This is a style of speech and not an actual exhortation for anyone to break arms and legs. He makes it clear that he is not ready to do that but that is what they deserve. Contrast that to the leaders of the extremists who do indeed preach violence.
HE is right about the extremists being deviants. They are a ragtag bunch of oisvorfen and shtinkers. They'll only have their legs broken when the left no longer needs them to make us all look bad.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 10:35 PM ChulentBean Says:Report as Inappropriate
Kudos to this Rabbi he is 100% right and I hope people take his advise for real..It is time to do something with these crazy people who are ruining the reputation of the entire Frum community
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Jan 10, 2012 at 10:40 PM oyoyoy Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Just stay where you are. Its fine.
I see you get so excited when you read someone speak out against ultra orthodox. This very same rabbi is talking about shmiras shabbas and other aspects of torah life. Do you commend him for that too? ”
Not my conversation, but if I may butt in:
Shmiras Shabbas and other aspect of Torah life are easier to accept from someone you can look up to, not someone whose behaviour is despicable.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ So we have this unknown rabbi and we have rabonim from the edea hacridis well known gdolim ”
The two guys who signed the Eida statement were never considered "gadolim" by the large percentage of the frum tzibur but certainly have lost any credibility by crawling into the slime with the fanatics whose violence against women they tried to defend.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 11:05 PM Ben_Kol Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To repeat myself, no evedence has beign brought on the spitting, listen again carefully to the 1st interview with the mother and daughter, listen good to the GIRLS WORDS you'll be suprised, nothing mentioned of spitting, just scared to go on street because the sekrukim are screaming!!, they have a right to protest as everyone has, the mother made up the rest, and the media blew it up, BE REALISTIC! ”
Let's say (just to make you happy) that Naama Margolese was not spat upon; that she or her mother or the media made up the story. So what? Does that make everything go away? There was a constant campaign of harassment against little yidishe girls every day for three months. The videos are available on the web. On a regular basis, the anti-Torah lunatics were hurling obscene insults (whore, slut), throwing things, and spitting at 8 year old girls. Can you imagine any human being doing such things, let alone adult men who claim to be frum?
And yet you defend them! You say that "they have a right to protest like anyone else." Do you know the difference between protesting and harassing? Aren't you utterly shocked and ashamed that adult men could even think of abusing little girls and making them cry. What kind of animals are they?
As R' Zar said in his deroshoh: "THEY ARE ANIMALS!"
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Jan 10, 2012 at 11:19 PM yaakov321 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ #28 Keep in mind we live in an olam hafuch, so just because renowned gedolim reached the top of the mountain as do entertainers, politicians, or sports players - don't think they are looked at so highly in shamayim. To shamayim it is fear that will give them entry not fame money or anything else.
They might know tons of Torah but they can lose all their olam haba if they embarass another jew or speak lashon hara which they do about many gedolim that are renowned. Check up the neturei karta website and see for yourself. Hashem just has patience or is giving them their reward here of being renowned in the world but that definitely isn't helping them. ”
There is no such thing as Torah Logic. This is a Torah Life and Light.
Torah Logic implies that Hashem is a Vulcan.
Not the case.
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Jan 10, 2012 at 11:39 PM Bukharian Says:Report as Inappropriate
once again, only sephardi Rabbiem are speaking about this crytical issue, everyone else is silent.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 12:38 AM harryw Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If I grew up around rabbis like this I would probably still be religious. ”
Just stay where you are. Its fine.
I see you get so excited when you read someone speak out against ultra orthodox. This very same rabbi is talking about shmiras shabbas and other aspects of torah life. Do you commend him for that too?
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Jan 11, 2012 at 12:44 AM Monseyboy Says:Report as Inappropriate
Dus is geret! Anyone above questioning what he's saying has got some thinking to do. "I'm ekaish titapul" refers to crazies like these well said Rabbi! Animals is right!
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Jan 11, 2012 at 06:17 AM jackr Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ If those 2 yingerleit from Beis Shemesh were arrested for allegedly distributing pictures of a police chief portrayed as a Na..... For inciting to violence,
Then this Rabbi who actually called for breaking arms & legs should be arrested as well for inciting violence.
But don't hold your breath.... He is calling for violence against those terrible chareidim...... its ok...
Did he also threaten to break the arms & legs of those settlers who attacked the holy IDF ??? ”
The difference is very clear. Almost every Rabbi in the religious zionist mold came out against the action loud and clear. Rav Ronsky, Rosh Yeshiva of the Yeshiva Gavoha of Itamar threatened to leave the Yishuv if actions like that are ever repeated. Across the board the actions were denounced. It's a please to hear this Rav and his torah. Kol Hakavod.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 07:35 AM RebBaltimore Says:Report as Inappropriate
His language is over the top & problematic: saying they are not Jews just isn't so and threatening violence against them is equally wrong. Darchei Noam! Shalom!
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Jan 11, 2012 at 08:07 AM Anonymous Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ I am beardless and PROUD. Shaving off of their beards of these zealots is NOT a punishment. They are reshoim with or without their beards. ”
Proudof not having a beard? As I recall my Tanach, shaving off a beard s an insult. Moreover, presuming you use a shaver, could you please tell me which posek you rely on to do this - who is great eneough to rule against the Chazon Ish et al who forbid using them?
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Jan 11, 2012 at 08:45 AM AviKes Says:Report as Inappropriate
#61, only shaving off half a beard (Shmuel Bet 10:4). The Amish are machmir to shave the whole beard.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 08:47 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:Report as Inappropriate
Instead of researching, let me ask you: half of Lakewood shaves. Do you think its the one mitzvah they are not careful with? Obviously they have nobody to be soimech on, according to you.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 09:29 AM Ben_Kol Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ Proudof not having a beard? As I recall my Tanach, shaving off a beard s an insult. Moreover, presuming you use a shaver, could you please tell me which posek you rely on to do this - who is great eneough to rule against the Chazon Ish et al who forbid using them? ”
R' Moshe Feinstein.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM MAYERFREUND Says:Report as Inappropriate
This person is a rabbi for the devil (satan). A person that can say only bad things and not one good word about another fellow Jew is exactly what the satan is doing.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM Yazmach Says:Report as Inappropriate
The Satmar Rebbe zt"l once said a day that he is not vilified in the Zionist media and their religious U.S colleagues means he did not speak up enough for kovod shamiyaim (opposing Zionisim)
The spiting on the girl story is a P.R campaign by the M.O against the eirliche yiden who protest against the deliberate provocations of the M.O who want to show the Chasidim that they will not makel Bait Shemesh in to another Meah shuirm "the M.O bear the responsibility for this chille Hashem “.
The Vodislaver Rav zt"l (a razor sharp gaon who was a member of the rabbinical board of the Agudah prior to ww2 and after, until it became a pro Zionist political organization). Once said at a protest against police brutality in Israel, that there is Ahavas Yisroel and then there is Ahavas Poshiy Yisroel those that have extreme Ahavas Poshiy Yisroel are usually Soni Yisrael/Eirlche Yiden/Charidem. This speech and the others like his and most of the comments on this site regarding this issue have proven how right he was.
Rabbi Rafael Zar shlita “relax” the Israeli police are doing to the charidim across Israel what you would so love to do them.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 05:35 PM manwith1leg Says:Report as Inappropriate
this is emes
about time.
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Jan 11, 2012 at 05:37 PM cmbn1 Says:Report as Inappropriate
“ To repeat myself, no evedence has beign brought on the spitting, listen again carefully to the 1st interview with the mother and daughter, listen good to the GIRLS WORDS you'll be suprised, nothing mentioned of spitting, just scared to go on street because the sekrukim are screaming!!, they have a right to protest as everyone has, the mother made up the rest, and the media blew it up, BE REALISTIC! ”
You are wrong. There is lots of evidence of spitting. I know this for a fact, as my niece goes to the school and has been spat upon. As has her mother, my sister. My sister has been pushed, her seventy-five year old neighbor (grandfather of a student) has been pushed down and had his camera stolen. I have been following what's going on at the school since September, all from firsthand accounts, and I assure you, it's not an exageration.
My sister is spit upon regularly in certain areas of Beit Shemesh despite three quarter sleeves, long skirt, and fully covering her hair.
What's not being reported is that all this has nothing to do with tznius. The fight was over the building, which they want, and they are using tznius as an excuse. Whatever the reason, their actions are disgusting and anti-Torah.
#42 -- you might not like it, but it's true.