“ Wow, this Lipman guy is worse than I thought!

I don't see what the libel is, Abutbul only said the (not so pretty) truth. It might of not been proper for Abutbul to make such public statements, but that's (unfortunately) the way it works in Israel. Nothing out of the ordinary here. ”

“ Wow, this Lipman guy is worse than I thought!

I don't see what the libel is, Abutbul only said the (not so pretty) truth. It might of not been proper for Abutbul to make such public statements, but that's (unfortunately) the way it works in Israel. Nothing out of the ordinary here. ”

“ I don't think it's far from the truth. Who says that the Mayor is spewing Lies.The Mayor is doing his job and he is being villified for no good reason. If anybody listed to the speech of Mrs. Margolese. She stated that there is a community being built for 30,000 chareidim and nobody asked the veteran citizens first. Excuse me, since when does one Jew need to ask another to build in the Jewish State. The Natl religious community hate the mayor because he is not buying into their act. While the violence is not made up .. it's being used for political reasons.. They had no right to bring this to the international media and especially to the anti religious Yair Lapid. The media blitz on that child is way more traumatizing than the action that happened. ”

“ There has to be some "legal" way to make life so miserable for these Charedim that they will either leave EY or withdraw from society. ”

“ OK, I'm usually the one on the other side and a very vocal anti extremist but how does the media get away with defacing ALL charedim, including me when I've never hurt a soul but a mayor makes one interview and gets slapped with a lawsuit?
This is the media, this is what you get when you live a public life. What about freedom of speech?
I don't get this at all.
I don't know the mayor and I don't know Rabbi Lipman. I just know that I hate the violence and I am extremely anti the crazy extremists that have taken over he Chareidi religion and they have made a bad name for us all. I have spoken out against them yet I still get lumped together with them because I am Chareidi. Tough luck. How much more for a public figure like Rabbi Lipman. ”

“ does lipman claim to be shomer torah and mitzvos? how can he circumvent the beis din process and go running to Arkoies? ”

“ I don't think it's far from the truth. Who says that the Mayor is spewing Lies.The Mayor is doing his job and he is being villified for no good reason. If anybody listed to the speech of Mrs. Margolese. She stated that there is a community being built for 30,000 chareidim and nobody asked the veteran citizens first. Excuse me, since when does one Jew need to ask another to build in the Jewish State. The Natl religious community hate the mayor because he is not buying into their act. While the violence is not made up .. it's being used for political reasons.. They had no right to bring this to the international media and especially to the anti religious Yair Lapid. The media blitz on that child is way more traumatizing than the action that happened. ”

“ What about freedom of speech?

The Mayor is "free" to say what he wants about Rabbi Lipman- as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. Do you think otherwise? ”

“ Is the mayor competent. is he qualified in any way to run a city. I would really like to know the answer. ”

“ You're missing one important point. If you actually listen to her speech, you'll see that she said the new 30,000 buildings planned are RAK (ONLY) for Chareidim. No way are we as a city ok with that, the general population would like the next generation to have affordable options to stay in Bet Shemesh also.
In addition, the housing ministry is breaking 97 laws in the process of trying to get this new 'chareidi' neighborhood built, which we are fighting with every resource possible- NOT to ban new chareidim from moving in, we welcome chareidim who will live chareidi lives and live peacefully alongside non-chareidim living non-chareidi lives, but we want equal opportunity housing for all. ”

“ There has to be some "legal" way to make life so miserable for these Charedim that they will either leave EY or withdraw from society. ”

“ So what do u want should stay in isreal? The secular and frei? That's why we need a jewish state? Shame on u!!! ”

“ There has to be some "legal" way to make life so miserable for these Charedim that they will either leave EY or withdraw from society. ”

“ Why not? At least they appreciate it.

Too many charaidim have nothing good to say about the medina and want to contribute nothing to it. ”

“ Why not? At least they appreciate it.

Too many charaidim have nothing good to say about the medina and want to contribute nothing to it. ”

“ That's called appreciation? Most secular jews in israel are just not happy.

Chareidim have nothing good to say about the medina: well, can you say something good? Please let me hear it.

Chareidim don't contribute: true, I agree with you. The alarming number of murders, rapes, theft in israel are mainly contributed by the secular and not the chariedim.

You were totally on the mark with your comments.

Thanks,
herman ”

“ What about freedom of speech?

The Mayor is "free" to say what he wants about Rabbi Lipman- as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. Do you think otherwise? ”

“ So what do u want should stay in isreal? The secular and frei? That's why we need a jewish state? Shame on u!!! ”

“ Yes he is. ”

“ No I don't because I follow the rules of Loshon Horah.

But if the mayor isn't allowed to slander the Rabbi in the media (besides being oiver on loshon horah) then it should go both ways and the anti-Chareidim shouldn't be able to slander innocent Chareidim in the media either. ”

“ That's called appreciation? Most secular jews in israel are just not happy.

Chareidim have nothing good to say about the medina: well, can you say something good? Please let me hear it.

Chareidim don't contribute: true, I agree with you. The alarming number of murders, rapes, theft in israel are mainly contributed by the secular and not the chariedim.

You were totally on the mark with your comments.

Thanks,
herman ”

“ #19- It's the BS community that should be sued for libel.. the libel that they have committed towards Chareidi Jewry worldwide.
#13- it's not being done only for Chareidim.. that's what you want to believe but it's all over the place that it's not so. it's called paranoia. still.. nobody has to ask the DL community for permission to build a Chareidi community. There is no such thing s a completely Chareidi community even in Bnei brak so stop your huffing and puffing all over the internet. ”

“ That's called appreciation? Most secular jews in israel are just not happy.

Chareidim have nothing good to say about the medina: well, can you say something good? Please let me hear it.

Chareidim don't contribute: true, I agree with you. The alarming number of murders, rapes, theft in israel are mainly contributed by the secular and not the chariedim.

You were totally on the mark with your comments.

Thanks,
herman ”

“ Now, it's you that's guilty of libel (this keeps going round and round in circles) for your baseless accusation of the "Beit Shemesh Community", who are simply revealing the truth about harassment of little girls and discriminatory housing practices. You really don't live up to your name of NeshamaAchas613, which apparently includes all Jews -- unless you don't consider the residents of Beit Shemesh to be Jews.

As for your second point, the fact is that most new housing in Beit Shemesh is being built in the new Charedi neighborhood. Theoreteically, datiim and seculars can live there but everyone knows that they won't. ”

“ Yet another post full of naarishkeit.

First stupidity: "Most secular Jews are just not happy". International opinion polls consistently show that Israelis have a higher degree of happiness than the people of most other peoples.

Second stupidity: "Can you say something good [about the medina]? I'd like to hear it." What an asinine statement. The middah ro'oh of kafui tovah is so entrenched among the Israeli-bashers that I'd be wasting my time to list all the good things about the medina. But I'll make a start anyway (not for you, but for other readers). Frum Jews have more rights and political power in Israel than in any other country in the world. Israel has the most yeshivos, kollelim, sefarim, learning (much of which is paid for by the state). Even secular Israelis have higher levels of shemiras shabbos, kashrus, mezuzah, etc. etc. Israel is a political haven for Jews fleeing from other countries ..

Third stupidity: You think it's absurd to say that Chareidim don't contribute. Well, in on many levels they don't. They are a massive drain on the Israeli economy and they don't fight in the army.

Your last sentence was actually 100% correct. But it was a typo ”