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Washington - Move a Chicagoan to San Diego and soon he’ll forget the wind, sleet and snow and start complaining when the temperature drops below 60 degrees.

Relations between Israel and the United States are warmer under President Obama than under previous administrations, yet we hear that the President has a “Jewish problem.” The problem is not Obama, but us: In only three years, we’ve lost historic perspective. We’re criticizing Obama for what would have gone unnoticed in other administrations.

Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger threatened to “reassess” America’s relationship with Israel. Obama has declared that America’s bond with Israel is “unbreakable,” and Israeli Defense Minister, Ehud Barak credited Obama for the strongest relationship between the two countries ever.

Ronald Reagan suspended arms shipments to Israel and supported a UN resolution criticizing Israel for bombing Iraq’s nuclear reactor. Obama secretly sold Israel the bunker busting bombs it requested during the Bush administration and cast the only UN veto of his administration against the one-sided anti-Israel UN Security Council resolution on settlements.

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George W. Bush pressured Israel to allow Hamas to participate in Gaza elections and made little progress in stopping Iran’s march toward nuclear weapons. Obama has not negotiated with Hamas. He has mobilized the international community to impose the toughest sanctions ever against Iran and flat-out declared that that he will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons, saying no options are off the table.

Obama’s pro-Israel accomplishments compare favorably with any Republican president. Yet we keep complaining.

We say he hasn’t visited Israel as president, forgetting that Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are the only two presidents who visited Israel during their first terms in office. George W. Bush did not visit Israel until his seventh year as president. Ronald Reagan never visited in his entire life. Obama went to Israel as recently as 2006 and 2008.

We complain that the Obama administration criticizes Israel’s settlement policy, forgetting that every administration since 1967 has criticized Israel’s settlement policy. But unlike George H.W. Bush, Obama never threatened to withhold U.S. aid to Israel because of settlement activity; instead, Obama has taken U.S. financial assistance to Israel to record levels.

We complain about imagined slights to Prime Minister Netanyahu, forgetting that when the chips were down, Obama came through for Israel and Netanyahu. When Israel asked for help fighting the Carmel forest fires, President Obama’s response was “get Israel whatever it needs. Now.”

In September 2011, when the late-night call came from Israel to Obama asking for help in rescuing the Israelis trapped in the Egyptian embassy, Netanyahu himself called it a “decisive and fateful moment,” recalling that Obama “said ‘I will do everything I can.’ And he did.”

The list goes on and on. Obama opposed the Goldstone Report, stood with Israel against the Gaza flotilla, boycotted Durban II and Durban III, and successfully derailed Palestinian attempts to unilaterally declare statehood at the UN. He’s done more than any president to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Yet despite the facts, the despite the historic perspective, it’s almost as if some of us want Obama to be anti-Israel because that would validate our worst fears. Attacking Obama on Israel is like attacking John Kerry on his personal military record. The Swift Boat campaign worked because Kerry and his supporters were too slow to take it seriously and fight fiction with facts. The result was four more years of George W. Bush.

Maybe it’s our nature to complain. But President Obama’s words and deeds prove that he is not only a strong friend of Israel, but that he is willing to stand up for Israel publicly and behind the scenes. That’s what matters, and that’s why most Jews will again vote for Obama in 2012.

The author is based in Chicago.


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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Please. It's ur opninion. The facts we see is his rhetoric. Leaving netanyahu alone in the white house to go eat dinner treating him like a child. And ya when Obama sits in churches for 20 years of the most anti American anti israeli people in the world, forgive us for being skeptical.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM Longwave Says:

This article and this writer are Purim jokes. His is a democrat from Chicago who cites 'facts' but forgets others.
President Obama's first move on peacemaking was to call for a complete freeze of Israeli settlements, including natural growth. No previous U.S. president had made this demand and the Arabs never demanded a complete freeze as a precondition to negotiate. Netanyahu agreed to an unprecedented ten-month moratorium on the settlements. Instead of engaging in negotiations, the Palestinians refused to come to the table. Aside from this being poor policy, it was a bad strategy, and it strained U.S. relations with all sides. But it made Obama more beligerent in his demands on Israel.

Well, boys and girls, it seems that the Muslim president is now in campaign mode and those poor unafiliated Jews in Florida will buy anything if it has a democrat stamp on it. Just look at the last election. How many Jews voted for Obama in Florida? Now take away the orthodox and see how many really voted for him .......

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:32 AM Dan_Daoust Says:

Beautiful. Couldn’t agree more. At some point during the Clinton presidency it became a yehureg v’al ya’avor to vote Republican and never vote Democrat. Now most frum people talk like they’re Sean Hannity’s personal secretary. It’s pitiful and makes us look stupid, to say nothing of ungrateful.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:43 AM CommonSense Says:

Incovenient truths...

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM cant-be Says:

the only problem with this is that its all a bunch of half stories and only half the facts all coming out of "Chicago" Obamas campaign headquarters
And no one can deny that a lot of the problems Israel is having is all cause that Cairo speech and his naive policies which led to the arabs picking up their heads. So please dont think of us as fools and sell us that hes the best president there ever was for israel tomorrow you'll sell us hes the best for our economy.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:55 AM To the author Says:

May I ask how you know this information?

Is it from the news? The same news that all of us read?

Let me make something clear:

Israel is of military importance to the United States in the Middle East. The U.S. needs to support Israel, regardless of where the U.S. stands on Israel policy. This is for two reasons:

1) It is in the best military interest and strategy of the U.S. to support Israel.
2) The president is NOT the only say on foreign policy, it involves the senate and congress too, which are largely pro-Israel.

What defines a president who "supports" Israel, is a president who stands firmly with Israel, relies on the decisions that Israel makes, and allows Israel to take any necessary measures to defend itself.

A president who tries to "control" Israel, tell them what to do, and tell them to negotiate with the very same people who kill their innocent women and children, is a president who does NOT support Israel.

Even if Al Sharpton YM'S would be the president of the US, he would also have to support Israel. He would ethically need to listen to the members of the senate and the congress, and he would need to support Israel for the sake of the US.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 11:57 AM Obama BLUFF Says:

It's quite evident that Obama does not love Jews or Israel at all. In fact in his first 4 years, until now he did everything he can to get Israel to hold off on Bombing Iran by using his silly totally ineffective 'sanctions' which obviously have no value at all yet are very effective in stopping Israel form bombing Iran.

His sudden new born imaginary love for Israel NOW is not even because time is running out to bomb Iran. In fact even at this late hour he is just BEGINNING his new ineffective plan to stop Iran's Oil Shipments. It took Obama 4 year to even THINK of that and now it will take him another 9 months NOW to get it to work (that's how long it will take the Saudis to be able to up their oil production to compensate the shortage of Iranian Oil) and by the time 9 months are up, Iran already has therm Bomb, beyond the point of no return.

So what's Obama's sudden new love of Israel all about?

It's all 100% pure BLUFF.

Did anyone forget Obama only needs to PRETEND he loves Israel for a few more months until Election time and the Obama can go back to his old ways to love his Birth Brothers instead.

Everyone knows Obama's "secret" that he can't win without the Jewish vote.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM chaimme Says:

Why wont obama release Pollard. so many congressmen, former attorney generals and even secretaries of state etc have written to him. He would not let Pollard attend his fathers funeral. At least explain to us why he wont release Pollard.Is he still a threat to national security? I dont believe so but could be wrong shame on all those who sit with kippot and listen to the President. Do they not know the halacha of pidyon shvuim.?

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM Bezalel Says:

This is an excellent editorial. Also, a President's successes or failures are better judged years after the fact. Right now, it appears that the U.S.'s abandonment of Mubarek has resulted in Egypt being turned over to the Muslim Brotherhood, which may lead to an abandonment of the peace treaty with Israel. But in a few years we may look back and view the "Arab Spring" as a positive.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM NJ Shmuel Says:

I think that the issue is not that he is anti-Israel as much as we see him as much more pro-Arab. And, that lends to a fear factor that sends shivers down our spines. The author may be correct in all of his statements; however, it is the lines like "...great Muslim Contributions" that leaves us with a bad taste in our mouth.

His comments on the '67 boundaries also left us wondering. Do you remember the angry look in President Obama's face when the Prim Minister of Israel came to speak with him in May? It may be summed up by extracting Shakespeare's line from Julius Caesar with a twist. "Tis not that I love Israel less. But, that I love the Arabs more."

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 12:25 PM Barry521 Says:

1. Sen. Kerry: While in a hosp., waiting to see the Dr., struck up a conversation with another patient. Kerry came on the TV, and I said , another liberal. The man sitting next to me, turned and said he personally served in Viet Nam in Kerry Swift boat division on another boat. And everything stated in the Corsi book on Kerry was and is TRUE.
2. Any Yid thinking Obummer is a friend to Israel, is a FOOL. I personally think with all my heart he is a closet Muslim, and his hatred for our Country knows no limits. He has decimated our Military, our Economic system, Have no energy policy, and the list goes on. He is the messiah in chief of food stamps, unemployment, and the list goes on. His Obummer health care, green energy, and the list still goes on.
How much more needs to be said???

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 12:58 PM Elliot Pasik Says:

We need more articles like this. The facts are there for all to see. The President also gave extra money to Israel to develop the "Iron Dome", the anti-Gaza missile defense system. Mr. Obama's pro-Israel record should not be maligned.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:03 PM victorg Says:

Yes, I agree that once Obama realized what he had to lose, he suddenly became very pro Israel. But let's not forget who planted the stick at pre 67 Borders. And let's not forget who was caught complaining that he he to deal with Netanyahu every day.

20 years from now Obama will have taken up the "jewish apartheid" mantle from Jimmy i"sh Carter

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:08 PM Facts1 Says:

"Relations between Israel and the United States are warmer under President Obama than under previous administrations" and "Maybe it’s our nature to complain."

Hogwash! President Obama is dealing with a terrible economy and low ratings, he cannot afford to offend anyone, especially a voting base. Give him a second term you'll see his true colours.

He embarrassed the Israeli PM on many occasions including releasing a photo with him speaking to the PM with his feet on the desk, gave him a chilling reception and led him out through a back door. His policy on settlements are far more worse then any other president. G.H. Bush wasn't even considering a Palestinian state, just autonomy. They had no weapons, no army and definitely anything close to 1967 borders, not even 45% of that. Obama's gestures are small and minute compared to the offenses.

Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you what you are.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:14 PM Facts1 Says:

"He’s done more than "any" president to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions."

1)This issue is about 5 yrs old and America was at war in Iraq at the ime this began floating. 2)Doing more but barely anything, its gonna be a done deal soon.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:22 PM mason Says:

Well said! About time someone writes some sense! Keep it going! 4 more years!

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 02:14 PM Sociologist Says:

Reply to #8  
chaimme Says:

Why wont obama release Pollard. so many congressmen, former attorney generals and even secretaries of state etc have written to him. He would not let Pollard attend his fathers funeral. At least explain to us why he wont release Pollard.Is he still a threat to national security? I dont believe so but could be wrong shame on all those who sit with kippot and listen to the President. Do they not know the halacha of pidyon shvuim.?

And why didn't Bush? Clinton? There is a lot more to this story then we know.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 02:08 PM qazxc Says:

I voted against him and likely will do so again but the author is correct.

Give credit where credit is due.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:58 PM Eli Says:

What a strong, factual column. And, much to my shame and embarrassment, the anti-Obama responses here are full of emotionalism and ignorance -- but short of facts. Saying you "believe with all my heart" that Obama is a Muslim just makes you look foolish and confirms the feelings of every non-frum Jew who looks down on us as ignorant haters. I'm not saying we should vote for Obama's reelection, but the way the frum -- especially the yeshivish and chassidish -- community has demonized this man and ignored everything positive he's done (the writer of the column lists a number if those positive things) with regard to Israel is disgusting. Other presidents -- even the ones recognized as very pro-Israel -- have had ups and downs with Israel and major disagreements and even confrontations with Israeli leaders. It didn't mean those presidents were "anti-Israel," just as Obama's relationship with Netanyahu doesn't make him "anti-Israel." We sound like overemotional crybabies who have no grounding in history and who ignore any facts that contradict our prejudices.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:30 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

"Obama’s pro-Israel accomplishments compare favorably with any Republican president. Yet we keep complaining."


Yes, but how many of those "haters" are gonna come on here & REFUSE to even read this article to maybe get a different perspective, and will just jump on to bash him right & left?! (lol)

I guess we'll see!

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 01:27 PM 1189 Says:

This article speaks the truth. Every US president has been against the pointless settlements and have supported the 2 state solution.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

In all fairness to former President George W. Bush, he did visit Israel prior to being President; while he was Governor of Texas, he visited Israel, and met with a number of political figures, including Ariel Sharon. Secondly, former President Richard Nixon visited Israel in 1974, and previously hosted Prime Minister Golda Meir at the White House, on several occasions. In addition, during the Yom Kippur War, Nixon supplied EY with fighter jets (some of which were flown off aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean, tanks, rockets, artillery pieces, ammunition, etc.). It was the massive airlift, which turned the tide of the Yom Kippur War in Israel's favor. Even Golda Meir stated "For generations, all will be told of the immense planes from the United States, which meant life for our people".

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 03:10 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #21  
1189 Says:

This article speaks the truth. Every US president has been against the pointless settlements and have supported the 2 state solution.

There was no two "state" solution prior to Mrs Clinton supporting it. It was "autonomy"on 45% that was always discussed.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 03:51 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #2  
Longwave Says:

This article and this writer are Purim jokes. His is a democrat from Chicago who cites 'facts' but forgets others.
President Obama's first move on peacemaking was to call for a complete freeze of Israeli settlements, including natural growth. No previous U.S. president had made this demand and the Arabs never demanded a complete freeze as a precondition to negotiate. Netanyahu agreed to an unprecedented ten-month moratorium on the settlements. Instead of engaging in negotiations, the Palestinians refused to come to the table. Aside from this being poor policy, it was a bad strategy, and it strained U.S. relations with all sides. But it made Obama more beligerent in his demands on Israel.

Well, boys and girls, it seems that the Muslim president is now in campaign mode and those poor unafiliated Jews in Florida will buy anything if it has a democrat stamp on it. Just look at the last election. How many Jews voted for Obama in Florida? Now take away the orthodox and see how many really voted for him .......

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:02 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #8  
chaimme Says:

Why wont obama release Pollard. so many congressmen, former attorney generals and even secretaries of state etc have written to him. He would not let Pollard attend his fathers funeral. At least explain to us why he wont release Pollard.Is he still a threat to national security? I dont believe so but could be wrong shame on all those who sit with kippot and listen to the President. Do they not know the halacha of pidyon shvuim.?

Did you voice the same complaint about George W Bush three years ago? Was Pollard more of a danger three years ago? (If yes, please explain in detail.)

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
victorg Says:

Yes, I agree that once Obama realized what he had to lose, he suddenly became very pro Israel. But let's not forget who planted the stick at pre 67 Borders. And let's not forget who was caught complaining that he he to deal with Netanyahu every day.

20 years from now Obama will have taken up the "jewish apartheid" mantle from Jimmy i"sh Carter

Bill Clinton called for a peace settlement based on land swaps along the pre-1967 borders.

And I know plenty of Israeli politicians who complain about having to deal with Bibi every day.

As for your 'prophecy' regarding the president's opinions in twenty years, I seem to recall a gemara about nevua being taken from the navi'im and being given to.............

Are you a koton? Do your parents know that you post comments on VIN?

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:09 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #14  
Facts1 Says:

"Relations between Israel and the United States are warmer under President Obama than under previous administrations" and "Maybe it’s our nature to complain."

Hogwash! President Obama is dealing with a terrible economy and low ratings, he cannot afford to offend anyone, especially a voting base. Give him a second term you'll see his true colours.

He embarrassed the Israeli PM on many occasions including releasing a photo with him speaking to the PM with his feet on the desk, gave him a chilling reception and led him out through a back door. His policy on settlements are far more worse then any other president. G.H. Bush wasn't even considering a Palestinian state, just autonomy. They had no weapons, no army and definitely anything close to 1967 borders, not even 45% of that. Obama's gestures are small and minute compared to the offenses.

Tell me who your friends are and I'll tell you what you are.

Dear Mr. "Facts":

Yes, there is a photo of Obama with his feet on his desk while talking to Netanyahu. Yet, showing the soles of your shoes to someone is only disrespectful in MUSLIM culture. So what's the problem? There's pics of Bush and Ford with their feet up on the same desk.

Now, you're right... George W. Bush didn't call for a return to the 1967 border. He called for a return to the 1949 armistice lines!

You can find video of the following speech by Bush, made 1/10/2008 on YouTube:

"I shared with these with these 2 leaders, a vision of 2 Democratic states living side by side in peace and security. Both of these leaders believe that this outcome is in the best interest of their peoples, and are determined to arrive at a negotiated solution to achieve it...." he then states that "there must be an end to the OCCUPATION which began in 1967".... he then goes on to say "I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the armistice lines of 1949, to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous".

If you are going to call yourself "Facts1" I suggest you learn what a FACT is first.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:18 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #8  
chaimme Says:

Why wont obama release Pollard. so many congressmen, former attorney generals and even secretaries of state etc have written to him. He would not let Pollard attend his fathers funeral. At least explain to us why he wont release Pollard.Is he still a threat to national security? I dont believe so but could be wrong shame on all those who sit with kippot and listen to the President. Do they not know the halacha of pidyon shvuim.?

We need to recognize a few things.

1. Pollard is not languishing in some horrible torture prison somewhere. He is in a clean prison, where he is free to daven, learn and even enjoy kosher food (although he doesn't seem to be interested in any of those things). He is in Club Fed, as they call it. The Rambam gives states that pidyon shvuyim is critical because prisoners are often left starving, thirsty, unclothed, and in danger of their lives (from disease and torture). There is an argument to be made as to whether pidyon shvuim applies here. He is not a "captive"... he is a prisoner who has more comforts and resources afforded to him than millions of people in society do.

2. The President is the only one with the security clearance to know all of the details. Every President since his arrest has refused to even consider Pollard's release. That includes ultra-liberals like Obama right up through hardcore death-penalty advocates like GW Bush.

Let's not fool ourselves. The boys arrested in Japan for smuggling drugs needed us. They were in the kind of trouble that the Rambam writes about. Pollard? Not so much.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Facts1 Says:

"He’s done more than "any" president to thwart Iran’s nuclear ambitions."

1)This issue is about 5 yrs old and America was at war in Iraq at the ime this began floating. 2)Doing more but barely anything, its gonna be a done deal soon.

From the beginning of 1990s, the Russian Federation formed a joint research organization with Iran called Persepolis which provided Iran with Russian nuclear experts, and technical information. Five Russian institutions, including the Russian Federal Space Agency helped Tehran to improve its missiles. The exchange of technical information with Iran was personally approved by the SVR director Trubnikov.[70] President Boris Yeltsin had a "two track policy" offering commercial nuclear technology to Iran and discussing the issues with Washington.

In 1990, Iran began to look outwards towards new partners for its nuclear program; however, due to a radically different political climate and punitive U.S. economic sanctions, few candidates existed.

In 1992 Argentine officials disclosed that their country had canceled a sale to Iran of civilian nuclear equipment worth $18 million, under US pressure.

In 1996, the U.S. convinced the People's Republic of China to pull out of a contract to construct a uranium conversion plant.

New problem, huh?

The first president to try to halt the Iranian nuclear program?

JIMMY CARTER! (ym"s)

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:21 PM Facts1 Says:

"Maybe it’s our nature to complain."

Disgusting! Maybe its engrained in our blood to be sold out and persecuted by leftist Jews like this author from Chicago.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:23 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #24  
PMOinFL Says:

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

Please stop confusing people with the facts.

Limbaugh, Hannity, Levine, Grant, Beck, and Savage all say the president hates Israel so it must be so.

After all, if you can't trust talk radio entertainers who can you trust?

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:25 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #7  
Obama BLUFF Says:

It's quite evident that Obama does not love Jews or Israel at all. In fact in his first 4 years, until now he did everything he can to get Israel to hold off on Bombing Iran by using his silly totally ineffective 'sanctions' which obviously have no value at all yet are very effective in stopping Israel form bombing Iran.

His sudden new born imaginary love for Israel NOW is not even because time is running out to bomb Iran. In fact even at this late hour he is just BEGINNING his new ineffective plan to stop Iran's Oil Shipments. It took Obama 4 year to even THINK of that and now it will take him another 9 months NOW to get it to work (that's how long it will take the Saudis to be able to up their oil production to compensate the shortage of Iranian Oil) and by the time 9 months are up, Iran already has therm Bomb, beyond the point of no return.

So what's Obama's sudden new love of Israel all about?

It's all 100% pure BLUFF.

Did anyone forget Obama only needs to PRETEND he loves Israel for a few more months until Election time and the Obama can go back to his old ways to love his Birth Brothers instead.

Everyone knows Obama's "secret" that he can't win without the Jewish vote.

His Birth Brother is Jewish. Google it if you dont know. He has no arab Birth Brother if that what you trying to say

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:26 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #24  
PMOinFL Says:

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

If Rush says Batman is real, he's real.

No need to think for ourselves.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
PMOinFL Says:

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

The Best lie is a half true, and that is what you just did.

I will agree that Clinton was the worst President when it comes to Israel, but that was pure irresponsibility, Obama hates Natanyahu and the loves Arabs.

"I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama"

Non have them have really expected it and definitely not complained as much. Most of all, non have them have demanded a freeze in Jerusalem and surrounding communities. You have no idea how these communities as struggling the last 4 years.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Barry521 Says:

1. Sen. Kerry: While in a hosp., waiting to see the Dr., struck up a conversation with another patient. Kerry came on the TV, and I said , another liberal. The man sitting next to me, turned and said he personally served in Viet Nam in Kerry Swift boat division on another boat. And everything stated in the Corsi book on Kerry was and is TRUE.
2. Any Yid thinking Obummer is a friend to Israel, is a FOOL. I personally think with all my heart he is a closet Muslim, and his hatred for our Country knows no limits. He has decimated our Military, our Economic system, Have no energy policy, and the list goes on. He is the messiah in chief of food stamps, unemployment, and the list goes on. His Obummer health care, green energy, and the list still goes on.
How much more needs to be said???

You think with all your heart he is a closet Muslim? I sure hope you are right. The Muslims have never killed us like the Christians for thousands of years,Hitler,Russia Kozacs,Spain,Poland etc. Ever vent to dave on Tisha Beav? Said the Ejcho. Obamas Health Care? Wohavto reacho Komajcho. The basis of our Torah. Green energy? Lo Saschis. Its in the Torah

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 04:38 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Its time to admit it based on all this facts. Some of the frumme hate Obama for having a different skin color, the same way they hate the Sefardim for their color

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:21 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

The Best lie is a half true, and that is what you just did.

I will agree that Clinton was the worst President when it comes to Israel, but that was pure irresponsibility, Obama hates Natanyahu and the loves Arabs.

"I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama"

Non have them have really expected it and definitely not complained as much. Most of all, non have them have demanded a freeze in Jerusalem and surrounding communities. You have no idea how these communities as struggling the last 4 years.

From what I understand, Netanyahu is a narcissistic, arrogant blowhard. However, I'm guessing that most national leaders probably are. If Obama doesn't like him, that is not because he is "anti Israel". Obama has supplied more arms and given more aid to Israel since taking office than Bush did in 8 years.

If you insist on spreading lies, I will go find more quotes for you, but EVERY President since Reagan has asked, at one point or another, for Israel to cease building and any idiot can look on Google or YouTube to find the text of those speeches. It really isn't difficult.

I understand full-well how these communities are suffering, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Your choice of words shows that you get your news from propagandist blogs, radio or TV entertainment programs. Why don't you try looking up the FACTS instead of just believing this drivel... you might be surprised at what you find and the country might take REAL Conservatives like the ones I support (NOT Republicans) a bit more seriously.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:24 PM Anonymous Says:

author based in chicago--------interesting, why so secretive?

a shame that vosianeis would even print this article

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

Its time to admit it based on all this facts. Some of the frumme hate Obama for having a different skin color, the same way they hate the Sefardim for their color

your comment is totally ridiculous and negligent

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 07:26 PM chaimme Says:

Reply to #17  
Sociologist Says:

And why didn't Bush? Clinton? There is a lot more to this story then we know.

Pollard is very sick now. His father died. members of congress wrote to obama> At least have the decency to explain to the jewish community why he wont release him as his health has deteriorated. Its makes feel better to say "there is a lot more ....." Surely its time to hear the truth

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 07:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
PMOinFL Says:

We need to recognize a few things.

1. Pollard is not languishing in some horrible torture prison somewhere. He is in a clean prison, where he is free to daven, learn and even enjoy kosher food (although he doesn't seem to be interested in any of those things). He is in Club Fed, as they call it. The Rambam gives states that pidyon shvuyim is critical because prisoners are often left starving, thirsty, unclothed, and in danger of their lives (from disease and torture). There is an argument to be made as to whether pidyon shvuim applies here. He is not a "captive"... he is a prisoner who has more comforts and resources afforded to him than millions of people in society do.

2. The President is the only one with the security clearance to know all of the details. Every President since his arrest has refused to even consider Pollard's release. That includes ultra-liberals like Obama right up through hardcore death-penalty advocates like GW Bush.

Let's not fool ourselves. The boys arrested in Japan for smuggling drugs needed us. They were in the kind of trouble that the Rambam writes about. Pollard? Not so much.

Not True- He is in very poor condition. More then ever members of congress from both sides have written to the president. Why wont he at least tell us why he refuses to listen to pleas for a pardon.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 07:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
qazxc Says:

Did you voice the same complaint about George W Bush three years ago? Was Pollard more of a danger three years ago? (If yes, please explain in detail.)

Yes i did. Surely you will agree that under obama there have been more calls from congress , former secretaries of state and former attorney generals to release him. then ever before

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:05 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #27  
PMOinFL Says:

Dear Mr. "Facts":

Yes, there is a photo of Obama with his feet on his desk while talking to Netanyahu. Yet, showing the soles of your shoes to someone is only disrespectful in MUSLIM culture. So what's the problem? There's pics of Bush and Ford with their feet up on the same desk.

Now, you're right... George W. Bush didn't call for a return to the 1967 border. He called for a return to the 1949 armistice lines!

You can find video of the following speech by Bush, made 1/10/2008 on YouTube:

"I shared with these with these 2 leaders, a vision of 2 Democratic states living side by side in peace and security. Both of these leaders believe that this outcome is in the best interest of their peoples, and are determined to arrive at a negotiated solution to achieve it...." he then states that "there must be an end to the OCCUPATION which began in 1967".... he then goes on to say "I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the armistice lines of 1949, to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous".

If you are going to call yourself "Facts1" I suggest you learn what a FACT is first.

Cut it out!

Bush said "to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous" Everyone knows that meant that Israel gets to keep every large settlement and everything in Jerusalem and that they were entitled to build there, its a fact and there was never any issue with that.

Israel had a hell of a time under G.W. Bush, they did the hell what they wanted, including eliminating (or at least confining) Arafat and many of Hammas's leadership. They fought two wars with American support and was considered the most supportive of any president in the past. He loved and adored Sharon or whomever was the PM. Gave them respect as they are the leader of Israel. He didnt back door them out like Obama.

BTW - Please get me a picture of G.W. Bush with his feet on the desk in the Oval office, or any President while talking to a foreign leader.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:41 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

author based in chicago--------interesting, why so secretive?

a shame that vosianeis would even print this article

Secretive??

It has the author's name and home town.

What else would you like? His home address? Cell phone number? His mother in law's meedical records???

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:42 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #39  
Anonymous Says:

your comment is totally ridiculous and negligent

Why? Because you don't approve of his opinion?

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:49 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #24  
PMOinFL Says:

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

Thank G-d you are a person of sound judgement & who likes FACTS, PMOinFL, or all I'd see on here are conspiracy theories & total misinformation!

People WILL say you aren't really a "conservative" becuz you are daring to state these facts on here, rather than to engage in smear tactics & nonsense. But don't let the haters get you down!

You're one of the few REAL conservatives I see on here! The old-school William F Buckley conservativism - the kind that even a rather Liberal gal such as myself can relate to!

It's not your fault the "conservative" movement in this country...is anything BUT!

And now they're all so far-gone, they don't recognize REAL conservative principles, even when it's being screamed in their faces! (LOL) They live for conspiracy theories & ONLY watch media that feeds on their almost pathelogical hatred for the President.

There's no way a rational person can even have a conversation about the man, w\these whackos bringing up some new rumor they heard, that Obama is really an ALIEN MUSLIM FROM ANOTHER PLANET!

How can U have a conversation w\these kinds of people?! Seriously?! (LOL)

Don't me wrong...some of my Liberal friends had "Bush Derangement Syndrome" as well. But I gave them the SAME lectures!

Come back down 2 reality I told them! Bush isn't Hitler, he shouldn't be compared to Hitler...and neither should our current President!

It's time for ALL Americans to respect the office of the Presidency & to be a little more rational about these people!

Obama isn't a "Communist"... anymore than folks like Newt Gingrich & Donald Trump are decent men of integrity, know what I mean?! (LOL)

Neither are true! It's time for people to wake-up & think for themselves for a change, instead of allowing conspiracy nutcases like Glenn Beck to do all their thinking for them!

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:58 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #24  
PMOinFL Says:

Let me start by saying that I am a Conservative who typically votes 3rd party. I have never supported Obama, nor will I.

I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama. There is video evidence of speeches from all of them. The idea that this is "new" from Obama is just another piece of propaganda the entertainers on radio and TV are selling to the ignorant masses.

This nonsense about about Obama being so anti-Israel doesn't even come close to factual reality.

So, when you call Obama the "Muslim President", what exactly do you mean? Do you mean that belonging to a UCC church that represents more than 2 million Americans in over 7100 churches (for 20 years no less) makes him a Muslim? Is that it?

When you repeat the nonsense and propaganda of the infotainment media, regardless of whether it is FNC or CNN, Maddow or Limbaugh, you only make yourself look stupid by believing that the fantasy and entertainment is fact. You may as well believe that Batman is real.

Thank G-d you are a person of sound judgement & who likes FACTS, PMOinFL, or all I'd see on here are conspiracy theories & total misinformation!

People WILL say you aren't really a "conservative" becuz you are daring to state these facts on here, rather than to engage in smear tactics & nonsense. But don't let the haters get you down!

You're one of the few REAL conservatives I see on here! The old-school William F Buckley conservativism - the kind that even a rather Liberal gal such as myself can relate to!

It's not your fault the "conservative" movement in this country...is anything BUT!

And now they're all so far-gone, they don't recognize REAL conservative principles, even when it's being screamed in their faces! (LOL) They live for conspiracy theories & ONLY watch media that feeds on their almost pathelogical hatred for the President.

There's no way a rational person can even have a conversation about the man, w\these whackos bringing up some new rumor they heard, that Obama is really an ALIEN MUSLIM FROM ANOTHER PLANET!

How can U have a conversation w\these kinds of people?! Seriously?! (LOL)

Don't me wrong...some of my Liberal friends had "Bush Derangement Syndrome" as well. But I gave them the SAME lectures!

Come back down 2 reality I told them! Bush isn't Hitler, he shouldn't be compared to Hitler...and neither should our current President!

It's time for ALL Americans to respect the office of the Presidency & to be a little more rational about these people!

Obama isn't a "Communist"... anymore than folks like Newt Gingrich & Donald Trump are decent men of integrity, know what I mean?! (LOL)

Neither are true! It's time for people to wake-up & think for themselves for a change, instead of allowing conspiracy nutcases like Glenn Beck to do all their thinking for them!

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 08:59 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

The Best lie is a half true, and that is what you just did.

I will agree that Clinton was the worst President when it comes to Israel, but that was pure irresponsibility, Obama hates Natanyahu and the loves Arabs.

"I agree with your sentiments about the author, however the "freeze on settlements" has been asked by Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama"

Non have them have really expected it and definitely not complained as much. Most of all, non have them have demanded a freeze in Jerusalem and surrounding communities. You have no idea how these communities as struggling the last 4 years.

"Non have them have really expected it and definitely not complained as much."

So you are a mind reader and know what each president has expected from Israel, even if they all sound alike. Got it.

"Most of all, non have them have demanded a freeze in Jerusalem and surrounding communities."

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. (Or to be less polite, LIE, LIE, LIE.) They all called for a halt to building on the disputed lands of the West Bank and 'East Jerusalem'.

"You have no idea how these communities as struggling the last 4 years."

What does the extent of their suffering, have to do with the narishkeit of frum people believing President Obama is anti-Israel just because Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Grant and Beck shout it?

Think for yourselves. He shipped bunker buster bombs, (Bush refused), he used our veto power to stop UN Security Council recognition of PLO statehood, has lead the international community's efforts Iranian nuclear threat seriously, allocated an 'extra' quarter billion dollars to develope and build Iron Dome and has told Iran no option is off the table if they keep working on nuclear weapons.

With enemies like Obama, who needs friends?

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 09:01 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Yes i did. Surely you will agree that under obama there have been more calls from congress , former secretaries of state and former attorney generals to release him. then ever before

Better lobbying.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 09:05 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #43  
Facts1 Says:

Cut it out!

Bush said "to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous" Everyone knows that meant that Israel gets to keep every large settlement and everything in Jerusalem and that they were entitled to build there, its a fact and there was never any issue with that.

Israel had a hell of a time under G.W. Bush, they did the hell what they wanted, including eliminating (or at least confining) Arafat and many of Hammas's leadership. They fought two wars with American support and was considered the most supportive of any president in the past. He loved and adored Sharon or whomever was the PM. Gave them respect as they are the leader of Israel. He didnt back door them out like Obama.

BTW - Please get me a picture of G.W. Bush with his feet on the desk in the Oval office, or any President while talking to a foreign leader.

I don't care if GW Bush loved and adored Sharon or if Obama dislike Bibi (as do most Israelis).

I care that Bush (with all his adoration and love for Sharon) refused to ship Israel the weapons it will need if it is forced to destroy Iran's underground nuclear plants and Obama (with all his Bibi issues) did ship them.

Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton and Bush Jr talked the talk.
Obama is walking the walk.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 09:13 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #43  
Facts1 Says:

Cut it out!

Bush said "to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous" Everyone knows that meant that Israel gets to keep every large settlement and everything in Jerusalem and that they were entitled to build there, its a fact and there was never any issue with that.

Israel had a hell of a time under G.W. Bush, they did the hell what they wanted, including eliminating (or at least confining) Arafat and many of Hammas's leadership. They fought two wars with American support and was considered the most supportive of any president in the past. He loved and adored Sharon or whomever was the PM. Gave them respect as they are the leader of Israel. He didnt back door them out like Obama.

BTW - Please get me a picture of G.W. Bush with his feet on the desk in the Oval office, or any President while talking to a foreign leader.

I notice you keep forgetting to mention that the converation with Bibi during which he had his feet on the desk WAS OVER THE PHONE.

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 Jan 12, 2012 at 09:14 PM SherryTheNoahide Says:

Reply to #43  
Facts1 Says:

Cut it out!

Bush said "to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous" Everyone knows that meant that Israel gets to keep every large settlement and everything in Jerusalem and that they were entitled to build there, its a fact and there was never any issue with that.

Israel had a hell of a time under G.W. Bush, they did the hell what they wanted, including eliminating (or at least confining) Arafat and many of Hammas's leadership. They fought two wars with American support and was considered the most supportive of any president in the past. He loved and adored Sharon or whomever was the PM. Gave them respect as they are the leader of Israel. He didnt back door them out like Obama.

BTW - Please get me a picture of G.W. Bush with his feet on the desk in the Oval office, or any President while talking to a foreign leader.

Well, I don't have a photo of Bush putting his feet up on the desk (although I'm willing to bet he has)... but I DO have much circulated pics of him holding hands w\a Saudi Shiek in the Rose Garden AND him kissing that same Shiek right on the mouth! No joke!

Now let me ask you this: if Barak Obama walked hand-in-hand w\a Saudi Shiek in the Rose Garden of the White House...what would the reaction be?

Better question yet: why was there NO reaction when Bush did it? Maybe it's because of the color of his skin? It's the only way I can explain why Bush can get away w\such nonsense...and Barack Obama would be totally vilified if he did it!

Face it! You believe the conpiracy theories! You think the man is a secret Muslim, probably foreign-born, and is now come into power to make us all live under Sharia Law! (LOL)

I'm SO GLAD folks like you have all the "inside info" or none of us would be able to figure out who this scary black man really is!

*eyeroll*

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 10:07 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #43  
Facts1 Says:

Cut it out!

Bush said "to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous" Everyone knows that meant that Israel gets to keep every large settlement and everything in Jerusalem and that they were entitled to build there, its a fact and there was never any issue with that.

Israel had a hell of a time under G.W. Bush, they did the hell what they wanted, including eliminating (or at least confining) Arafat and many of Hammas's leadership. They fought two wars with American support and was considered the most supportive of any president in the past. He loved and adored Sharon or whomever was the PM. Gave them respect as they are the leader of Israel. He didnt back door them out like Obama.

BTW - Please get me a picture of G.W. Bush with his feet on the desk in the Oval office, or any President while talking to a foreign leader.

So let me get this straight. Bush said that "I believe that any peace agreement between them will require mutually agreed adjustments to the armistice lines of 1949, to reflect current realities, and ensure that the Palestinian state is viable and contiguous". The ONLY difference between what Bush said and what Obama said was that Obama said the lines would be drawn "BASED on the 1967 borders".

As for the feet on the desk, you sound so silly. There are MANY pictures of MANY Presidents with their feet on the desk doing all sorts of things. There is a photo of Gerald Ford with his feet on the desk while talking on the phone. Sadly, nobody documented who he was on the phone with at the time.

Harping on this makes you look dumb.

That fact that THIS is what you have to complain about only shows that you have no understanding of the real issues (like most in America's idiot-class), so you buy into the ridiculous propaganda of the entertainment media. They'll skip all of the honest, intellectual and factual discussion and just give the bits that are easy to swallow for ignoramuses with a lower-than-average IQ to understand.

How sad for you to be the victim of such propaganda.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 10:18 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

Not True- He is in very poor condition. More then ever members of congress from both sides have written to the president. Why wont he at least tell us why he refuses to listen to pleas for a pardon.

1. He is in "poor condition"? Prove it. Is he starving? Is he sick and not getting proper medical attention? Is he being tortured? Is he experiencing ANY of the things that the Rambam lists as reasons for this mitzvah? No, and you cannot honestly say that he is. He lives in a glorified hotel and should thank H" everyday for the mercy of this nation.

2. The President, like his predecessors, owes you no explanation. Pollard committed the worst possible crime against his country and got FAR LESS than the punishment he deserved and could have gotten. Pollard KNEW the information was secret. Pollard KNEW he could get the DEATH PENALTY for his actions. Pollard accepted those risks when he committed treason and he is there because of his own choices.

None of us truly knows the depths of the damage done to the US by Pollard's actions. However, EVERY person who knows ALL the details (both liberal and conservative) has refused to hear it. That speaks volumes.

There are Jews in prisons all over the world who are genuinely SUFFERING in terrible ways who need our help. Pollard is not one of them. He is a filthy traitor who knew exactly what he was doing when he did it.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Why don't you put your name down?

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 10:36 AM Sekhel Says:

Reply to #36  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

Its time to admit it based on all this facts. Some of the frumme hate Obama for having a different skin color, the same way they hate the Sefardim for their color

You are 100% correct! So many Orthodox hate Obama because he is black. Blacks are supposed to be janitors or maids, busboys or welfare mothers, but they are not supposed to be President of the United States.
I know life long Jewish Democrats (frum and non-frum) who voted against Obama in 2008. In explaining why they voted against Obama (they didn't vote for McCain, they voted against Obama), they hem and haw, but the bottom line is that Obama is a schvartza, and schvartzas should know their proper place in the White House (cleaing up after white folk). And you know our yeshivas justify this by saying this is the curse that Noah gave Ham, Canaan and their (black) descendents.
This anti-Obama stupidity will end only when we outgrow our bigotry and prejudice.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 01:16 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #54  
PMOinFL Says:

1. He is in "poor condition"? Prove it. Is he starving? Is he sick and not getting proper medical attention? Is he being tortured? Is he experiencing ANY of the things that the Rambam lists as reasons for this mitzvah? No, and you cannot honestly say that he is. He lives in a glorified hotel and should thank H" everyday for the mercy of this nation.

2. The President, like his predecessors, owes you no explanation. Pollard committed the worst possible crime against his country and got FAR LESS than the punishment he deserved and could have gotten. Pollard KNEW the information was secret. Pollard KNEW he could get the DEATH PENALTY for his actions. Pollard accepted those risks when he committed treason and he is there because of his own choices.

None of us truly knows the depths of the damage done to the US by Pollard's actions. However, EVERY person who knows ALL the details (both liberal and conservative) has refused to hear it. That speaks volumes.

There are Jews in prisons all over the world who are genuinely SUFFERING in terrible ways who need our help. Pollard is not one of them. He is a filthy traitor who knew exactly what he was doing when he did it.

You obviously have no idea what Federal "super max" looks like.

And for the record, he was charged with espionage, not treason, so put your hatred of the idiot back in your pocket.

He did commit a serious crime but he was tricked into pleading guilty for a lesser sentence which he did not receive.

He deserved to be punished but spies who sold secrets to the USSR (remember them - the Evil Empire, who were so evil we had to spend ourselves into a hole to build thousands of missiles for our defense from them?), secrets that cost the lives of American agents in hostile countries served 1/3 the time he has served.

Sounds rotten, to say the least.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 02:37 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #57  
qazxc Says:

You obviously have no idea what Federal "super max" looks like.

And for the record, he was charged with espionage, not treason, so put your hatred of the idiot back in your pocket.

He did commit a serious crime but he was tricked into pleading guilty for a lesser sentence which he did not receive.

He deserved to be punished but spies who sold secrets to the USSR (remember them - the Evil Empire, who were so evil we had to spend ourselves into a hole to build thousands of missiles for our defense from them?), secrets that cost the lives of American agents in hostile countries served 1/3 the time he has served.

Sounds rotten, to say the least.

So, you are saying that in this prison, people are mistreated, starved of food and water, deprived of their religious freedom and are physically tortured and kept in unsanitary conditions? Because, if that is true how come his lawyer has never sued the prison? Why? Because you made that up. You lied.

Secondly, comparing him to others is foolish. He TRIED to sell the info to America's enemies, but they would not pay. Don't make it sound like he was "spying for Israel". Israel was the eventual buyer of what he was selling, but he tried to sell to Russians first. The fact that he caught on his first try and had no information to bargain with for a lighter sentence means he was an incompetent traitor. That doesn't get you a lighter sentence.

What he DID was treason. In his "deal" they only charged him with espionage so he would avoid the death penalty.

You have NO IDEA what he really did. He & his wife are proven liars who spread propaganda. She doesn't have the security clearance to know of all the damage he caused.

The point, at the end of the day, is that EVERYONE, both liberal and conservative, that knows ALL of the details has said "NO!". That speaks VOLUMES to me.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 02:40 PM Facts1 Says:

Reply to #56  
Sekhel Says:

You are 100% correct! So many Orthodox hate Obama because he is black. Blacks are supposed to be janitors or maids, busboys or welfare mothers, but they are not supposed to be President of the United States.
I know life long Jewish Democrats (frum and non-frum) who voted against Obama in 2008. In explaining why they voted against Obama (they didn't vote for McCain, they voted against Obama), they hem and haw, but the bottom line is that Obama is a schvartza, and schvartzas should know their proper place in the White House (cleaing up after white folk). And you know our yeshivas justify this by saying this is the curse that Noah gave Ham, Canaan and their (black) descendents.
This anti-Obama stupidity will end only when we outgrow our bigotry and prejudice.

Using the race card, how petty.

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 Jan 13, 2012 at 03:18 PM chaimme Says:

Reply to #58  
PMOinFL Says:

So, you are saying that in this prison, people are mistreated, starved of food and water, deprived of their religious freedom and are physically tortured and kept in unsanitary conditions? Because, if that is true how come his lawyer has never sued the prison? Why? Because you made that up. You lied.

Secondly, comparing him to others is foolish. He TRIED to sell the info to America's enemies, but they would not pay. Don't make it sound like he was "spying for Israel". Israel was the eventual buyer of what he was selling, but he tried to sell to Russians first. The fact that he caught on his first try and had no information to bargain with for a lighter sentence means he was an incompetent traitor. That doesn't get you a lighter sentence.

What he DID was treason. In his "deal" they only charged him with espionage so he would avoid the death penalty.

You have NO IDEA what he really did. He & his wife are proven liars who spread propaganda. She doesn't have the security clearance to know of all the damage he caused.

The point, at the end of the day, is that EVERYONE, both liberal and conservative, that knows ALL of the details has said "NO!". That speaks VOLUMES to me.

why cant you be honest . There are members including attorney generals and comgressman who have called for his release. Surely they woull not have called for his release if they agreed with the vomit you are spewing. shame on you. I hope you call your self a secular jew because there is no way inthe world you could call your self a yirei shamyim

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 Jan 14, 2012 at 07:06 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #59  
Facts1 Says:

Using the race card, how petty.

Avoiding the topic by pulling the "you're playing the race card".

How petty.

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