Jerusalem – Charedi Girls Paid $265 Not to Wear Makeup at Their Wedding

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    Jerusalem – The Darchei Rachel seminary for girls in Jerusalem imposed a new regulation recently: Each girl agreeing not to put on makeup for her wedding will receive a scholarship worth NIS 1,000 (about $265).

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    Moshe, whose sister studies at Darchei Rachel, says the new plan was initiated by the institution following a rise in the use of makeup among ultra-Orthodox girls.

    According to Moshe, before their wedding the girls are exempted from the school’s strict rules, leading many brides to put on heavy makeup.

    The managers of the seminary, which is considered one of the most conservative education institutions in the ultra-Orthodox sector and has about 1,500 students, took notice of the trend and decided to try and change it.

    A source in the institution reported of a partial response to the scholarship, adding that not enough girls have gotten married yet in order to thoroughly examine the response.

    A haredi education official explains, “This education institution is for the sector’s most righteous girls, who are strict about everything. However, I remain skeptical in regards to the initiative’s success, in light of the fact that makeup is acceptable in the haredi society and because it’s a particularly exciting day.”


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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This is against what Judaism is about. Makeup for a Kallah is a very jewish thing. I can’t believe what I’m reading….
    These are probably the same people that are instigating the riots in Yerushalayim.

    Parent
    Parent
    14 years ago

    Undue pressure will be put on these Kallah’s who have waited for this auspicious day. Parents who are in great need of this money will be pressuring these girls to “sell themselves” on their wedding day.

    How Stupid
    How Stupid
    14 years ago

    Sure – go ahead and make the kallah look unattractive to their new husband that probably only met her once or twice before. How dumb can they get (and all in the name of frumkeit yet)
    These idiots have no place in chinuch

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Isnt a Kallah supposed to look her best for her Chosson, especially on their wedding night?! What halachic basis does this “chumra” have even for the “most righteous” girls? Provided that there is a proper mechitzah, only the chosson and the women will see her anyway. The money could be better spent on trivial things like food for starving kollel families.

    DizzyIzzy
    DizzyIzzy
    14 years ago

    Apparently some in the Charedi world believe that it’s a chumra to make Frum girls feel guilty about everything.

    It may just be a matter of time before this seminary offers a $265 incentive to girls who pledge to always be 26.5 pounds overweight, because “the most righteous girls” should never be allowed to feel attractive.

    whatever
    whatever
    14 years ago

    At what point will they pay the married women to wear robes instead of regular clothes (or has that not been instilled yet)? I see communism written all over these people. Thank God for AMERICA!

    FVNMS
    FVNMS
    14 years ago

    Please, someone, provide the name(s) of the organization that will be financing this idiocy.

    FVNMS
    FVNMS
    14 years ago

    I say bypass all of these amateurish, second-rate attempts at true kedusha and go straight to the burqa.

    iib001
    iib001
    14 years ago

    I see nothing wrong according to Halacha and modesty for a bride to apply make-up for one of the most important events in her life not to mention to make her self attractive to her future husband!

    Tznius
    Tznius
    14 years ago

    I would say perhaps more importantly would be a campaign against tightly fitted gowns for kallos as well as family members! Unfortunately even with regular clothing this plague has become all too common. And stop wearing flairy skirts that reveal the knees when walking! Why? Not because men can’t control themselves, but because that’s what Hashem wants! Ask any Rav!
    OK all you seculary influenced fanatics, you can start attacking me now!

    chossen
    chossen
    14 years ago

    Why? Couldn’t the money be put to better use?

    A. Nuran
    A. Nuran
    14 years ago

    Typical fanatic trash. One thing that cults and religious extremists all have in common is iron control over sexuality, especially women’s sexuality. These black-hatted sorts are no different. They just mumble their lies and poison in Hebrew instead of Arabic or Latin.

    make up your minds
    make up your minds
    14 years ago

    They r crazy down the rd from the hall r ppl who haven’t eaten a hot meal since shabbos and they R busy with this narishkiet -let her look good ! Let her wear make up every day and all year too and # 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Above you r all 100% correct !

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    These dreche yiddin want to squeeze out the last semblance of life and joy among their yinglach. They yearn for a dark and bland sameness to everyone in the warped name of daas torah. Let these girls LIVE and feel good about themselves, physically and spiritually, at least for one day of their life.

    benjamin
    benjamin
    14 years ago

    What is wrong with make-up? Women in BP wont take out the garbage without a full make-up application. If it is a school rule that they cant wear it in school then they should not make exceptions for students who are engaged, which is what i think the article says when they refer to girls being exempted from the strict rule before their wedding. There should, of course, without a doubt, be an exception for their wedding day – and exceptions made for any other girls who attend the wedding and are being looked over by prospective shadchans. After all, make-up has been used by women for thusands of yrs, this is not a ‘new” trend we need to watch out for.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Shulchan Aruch allows make-up for a Kallah even during periods where it might otherwise be prohibited le-halacha….but then again artscroll never made a shulchan aruch for the hassidic sector: hamenukad ve-hamevo-ar

    ibdo hadey
    ibdo hadey
    14 years ago

    Excellent rule! Let’s train the gurls to be unattractive to their hubsands, so they can have an excuse to “look” elsewhere. What a stoopid rule! No make up? Come on! And this is coming from a chinuch institution?

    Babishka
    Member
    Babishka
    14 years ago

    One of the takonos of Ezra HaSofer was that women should wear cosmetics in order to look attractive for their husbands. It is a mitzvah for a bride to make herself beautiful on her wedding day! Why don’t these idiots just give away free burqas while their at it?

    Use Your Head
    Use Your Head
    14 years ago

    Let’s just call them out on this very simple: It is against the Torah.

    PMO
    PMO
    14 years ago

    We should all make sure that none of our money goes to this place. This is clearly some kind of cult that has nothing to do with yiddishkeit. Additionally, they clearly have more than enough money already to be paying for this nonsense. People starve and they worry about makeup? These are evil people.

    Yossi
    Yossi
    14 years ago

    I see nothing wrong with a kallah putting on makeup on her most important day of her life..What i see wrong is the American way where we get makeup artists for 1800-2500 dollars and waste it to Fake up those kallahs faces..First they look like clowns with so much Fakeup and a shame of so mush yiddishe $$ put to waste…When you see the kallehs mother walk in to the hall she will throw a quarter for all those erliche ladies collecting tzedukehs for yesoymim or poor kallehs….

    mythoughts
    mythoughts
    14 years ago

    The talibanization of judaism continues. I guess queen esther would not have been “frum” enough for this institution. There is a time and place for everything and a wedding night is definitely the place for makeup.

    webmom
    webmom
    14 years ago

    WOW!!! come on!!!!!!! if they $1,000, it wouldn’t be worth it!!!!!!! A kallah should look beautiful!!! think of the term “kallah mekushetes”!!!!! (ok maybe if they offered $10,000 I’d think about it…….)

    Reality Check
    Reality Check
    14 years ago

    What is the actual long term goal?
    Is this supposed to make the women more tzanua?
    To who?
    Is this supposed to somehow protect the men?
    From who?
    From their own wife?
    If the husband is accustomed to women who don’t put on make-up, will that make him somehow immune from attraction to women?
    Is it really a mitzvah to make men lose attraction for women???

    This is so mixed up!

    In the Torah world in which I was raised, the basic concept was for a man and a woman to get married, and find spiritual, and physical love for each other – largely in private.

    The nisoyon of attraction to or jealousy of someone’s else’s spouse is part of the normal human experience.
    The Torah requires that we overcome these feelings in the process of growth.
    The process includes (but is not limited to)
    Focusing on the positive attributes of your own spouse.
    Appreciating the unique inner and outer beauty of your own wife.
    Finding the good in your husband, and letting him know that he is special to you.
    Maintaining a level of privacy about your own spouse, so as not to flaunt your good fortune.
    Developing an ayin tov, to be happy for your friend if you notice the positive attributes in their spouse.

    Dismissing and ignoring the attempts of the yetzer hora to make you jealous of someone else’s spouse, is a life-long avoda.
    Your focus needs to be re-directed to your own life, and how you can make it better.
    It takes work by two individuals devoted to each other to build something strong together.

    Blaming women (or men) for the reality of the yetzer hora is foolish.
    Giving the yetzer hora undue attention actually empowers it.

    Aizehu Gibor Hakovesh es Yitzro.
    Who ever said it’s supposed to be easy?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I’m confused, from all the comments in general on Chareidy related issues it appears as though the non chreidy community will be zocha to be the first that Moshiach will come to, and that they are the most beloved to Hashem, However the Chareidy community who invest so little sacrifice to Hashem and look ugly with those big beards, and fat make-up-less overdressed woman will be put in hell and all of us with Shaven beards and oversexed wives will be singled out for special treatment by Hashem and Moshach due to their major contribution for Am Yisroel……. Come on get real…..

    YH
    YH
    14 years ago

    Seems not in keeping with the Yiddishe approach to women and looks, “ein isha ela l’yofi.”

    “Ezra decreed for the Jewish nation that peddlers should go from town to town so that jewelry/cosmetics (both are translations of tachshitin) would be available to Bnos Yisrael.”

    Real Jew
    Real Jew
    14 years ago

    Pay!!!!! Such a secular idea!!!! Real chareidi tzadikim would only use sandpaper

    Sandpaper any girl’s face that dares to wear makeup.
    Just like our friends in Gaza & Teheran do. That works & costs less.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Good training; incentivize girls to do things for money!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Whichever deranged rebbe or rebbitzen came up with this rule should be immediately shown the door and never again allowed to come near children. It only serves to reinforce the steretypes of charedim as irrational zealots and encourages the type of behavior we tragically read about this am in another article. They almost beg to be treated in a sub-human way by these actions. They have lost all sense of the beauty and joy of yiddeshkeit.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Just curious how many boys they’ll be able to get to marry girls that won’t wear makeup to their wedding. Hey! Let’s start a new initiative: $265 for every bride that put on a models coat instead of a gown. Good going guys. Pretty soon it will be $1000 not to get married since it brings to so much lust in the world. If they can try to knock out makeup which has been used throughout the generations by all frum Jews than why not abolish marriage?? Take a look through the gemorah. It is actually a ciyuv on a wife to put on makeup just as much as it is a ciyuv for a husband to provide sustenance for his wife. So how’s this gonna work,the guests will all have makeup but not the bride?! I’m afraid maybe the choson will find someone more attractive in the crowd.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    what a stupid thing to do to a kallah. Let the men look their own deeds or the lack thereof, instead of telling women to do this and that.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    is this school in afghanistan ?

    formally
    formally
    14 years ago

    maybe the men should also wear old suits and look like hobos
    it should work both ways somewhat

    also am i missing something in many stories in the Torah didn’t they people buy jewelry and the woman look nice for their husbands

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This is like the Taliban. Where in halacha or minhag did this even come from? Yes, tzniys is “da’as yehudis”, and perhaps in that community, no makeup is the norm…and if that’s the worst thing these girls are doing, then it’s to their credit that the administration couldn’t find any worse behaviors to curtail. Yes this strikes me as something just like those “Ateres” tzniyus programs my daughters go to — where they are told that it’s entirely the fault of young girls like them that Moshiach isn’t here — because they haven’t outfitted their shirts with an extra “tzniyus” button — but they make no mention of the fact that a gaggle of girls shreiking in the streets is the furthest thing from tzniyus…nor is chutzpah — which is in my opinion is the worst threat to our girls…or that perhaps a general focus on bein adam le’chavero would be more in order….it’s as if everyone has the right priorities…but they just prioritize their priorities in the wrong order….

    OJoe
    OJoe
    14 years ago

    Lets make something clear. This “Chumra” is in fact against the values of the Torah. It is not an “stringency” it is a disrespect for Torah.

    As mentioned above, the halacha recognizes the importance of a Kallah wearing makeup and allows it (in other words, encourages it) even when others may not wear it.

    This “Chumra” is basically spitting in the face of Chazal and Torah.

    I recall once hearing a story that when R Moshe was mattir something relating to these matters, he got complaints from those who wanted to be stricter and he said that the reason he was comfortable being mattir while other weren’t was because others were exposed to the “street” and got their ideas of morality (both immorality and modesty) from the street, while he only looked at the Torah and found that it was muttar.

    This is just another anti-Torah move by these nuts who need to be considered Reform Jews. They are doing the exact same thing only in the other direction.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    This is chinuch – HORRIBLE chinuch!!! First of all, to imply that a young woman should not look her best for her chosson?? Secondly, to PAY her to do what they think is a mitzvah?? Third, this totally defies Halacha which says it is a mitzvah for a woman to wear eye make up.

    These people are SICK, SICK, SICK!!!

    A frum yid
    A frum yid
    14 years ago

    Why stop there? Offer another $265 for wearing a ski mask

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Looks like most of the comments don’t know that chassidishe schools here teach the girls against makeup on the street. The wedding is public. . In navi it says that one of the reasons of the chorban is because the girls colors their eyes. Rashi says with black and blue. . Check it out. You will find many women dont touch their eyes!

    Joel
    Joel
    14 years ago

    Yay! We accomplished something, that a girl will look a little (?) less attractive to her choson on the wedding night!! Yay! Allah hu akhbar!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    if i remember correctly it says in gemoroh that the husband has an obligation to see to it that his wife looks good – included in that is providing clothes, makeup, perfume, etc.
    (of course all this in a tzniusdik manner)

    Loshon Hora
    Loshon Hora
    14 years ago

    look at the gemorah of Aba Chilkiyah the grandson of Choiny Hameagel, whose wife was all dressed up, & he explained the chachomim that it was so that he shopuldn’t envy someone elses wife.The Gemorah in Kesuvos Rabon Gamliel gave a gold tooth to a girl & cried that the daughters of Israel are nice, but poverty makes them ugly.
    The night of the chasuna is the first impression you only get one chance at that.
    I personally believe that this project is against Torah & Chazal, someone should start a project to pay for the make-up & those who do it.
    Just my opinion.

    Alex
    Alex
    14 years ago

    Will they be paying the groom not to dress up as well? This way both of them will look like they just got out of bed.

    Gave A Get
    Gave A Get
    14 years ago

    Gemera says that If a husband does not allow his wife to wear makeup he is violation of the Kesubah. Does any Halacha matter anymore?

    yenta
    yenta
    14 years ago

    There is makeup and then there is makeup.
    There is makeup like my mother wore, and then there is makeup which is “professionally” done, and costs hundreds of dollars for the kalla (not to mention the rest of the family).
    I think this incentive is toward the ridiculous waste of money that makeup costs. I hope that flowers (which is essentially a goyishe tradition) is next out the window, two thousand (halevai) dollar gowns, entertainers (leitzim be”laaz), all get stopped, and we go back to having decent respectable heimishe weddings.
    My mother got married with a 50-couple wedding, Yom-Tov Erlich z”l zy”a music, and a family member (totally not professional – but did the job) as badchen, and a cousin snapping some pictures. And of course, applied by her mother zz”g as best as she could, but good enough. (Her parents did not have money issues, in case you ask).

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    Okay, so skirts are too long , wigs are not kosher, who sits and thinks up these things? Amazing how these men ,that do to look at women, notice everything women wear!!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    I put on my own make up for my wedding, using Maybeline and Cover Girl brands. I put it on sparingly. No one said I didn’t look beautiful. What does a young girl with good skin need gobs of makeup for? I would take the $1000 shekels and put just a tad of makeup on if I were a kalla.

    yeapb
    yeapb
    14 years ago

    The problem was that since they were prohibited from using make-up while in school they were ‘applying make-up very heavily’ – THAT is the problem, not the actual make-up!! My daughter also went to a seminary that forbad make-up, when she got married we got her made up with just a touch of make up, so light that it was hardly noticeable. Some kallos are so pale that without make up, especially when fasting all day, they look like they’re at death’s door!! What they could do with a few sessions on how to apply make-up so that it is not noticeable!!

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    The reason for this new rule is not that she should be unattractive to her future husband, but that she should not be a turn on to other men.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    14 years ago

    what does putting on makeup have to do with frumkeit? How is this not tzniusdik? I think this school has gone way too far. I also think that $265.00 is not enough money to give a kallah so that she should look unattractive at her wedding. Shame on this school!

    Come On
    Come On
    14 years ago

    If we are going to go against open Gemaras, supposedly in the name of frumkeit, how are we different from the Reform and Conservative Jews? One neededn’t go spend thousands on makeup, but of course the Kallah should look nice for her husband. If the school is concerned that some of their girls go overboard, teach them how to pur on makeup tastefully.