Jerusalem – New research by the Bank of Israel has found that cancellation of child allowances would lower the overall birthrate in the Bedouin and Haredi sectors. The research found that the Haredi birthrate would drop an average of 0.2 less children, in other words 1 child less for every five families, while Negev Bedouin women would have a birthrate of 0.4 less children, or two children less for every five families.
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The research also found that cancellation of child allowances would make no change to the birthrate of non-Haredi Jewish women and Druze women.
The Bank of Israel examined the connection between the level of child allowance payments between 1994 and 2007 and its effect on the birthrates of Israeli women in various population sectors. The research proved what many have instinctively felt for many years, that the level of child allowances does influence women in sectors with high birthrates.
The research also found that paying an allowance of between NIS 500-560 for each child from the fourth child to the seventh child as happened between 1994 and 2004, increased the birthrate of Arab women by 6%-7% and of Haredi women by 3% compared with a situation in which they would receive no child allowance.
A study done to determine the effects of giving away land to the Arabs and evacuation of Gush Katif and the like would show that it is these government policies which contribute to Israel’s failing economy because it directly discourages Aliya and Turism in a country which favors Arabs more than Jews.
And School tuition does the job in the USA. This research is nothing new.
People should not have children they know they cannot afford. If you want to have “bitachon” in Hashem that is fine, but bitachon in hashem doesn’t mean taking welfare, food stamps and WIC from money coming out of my paycheck.
The article is deigned to make one think that the relatively high birthrate is financially motivated.
If you THINK about it, you realize that it actually proves the exact opposite.
If a reduction in financial aid could only affect 1 birth in 5 families it proves that much more than 80% are completely not financially affected.
Actually much less than 80% because 1 birth per 1 in 5 reduction means that this 1 family (with 1 child less) would still have 12 children instead of 13 and so it may only be able to cause a 1% reduction, overall).
Furthermore, if you punish parents to starve their children even more, perhaps a higher degree of deliberate malicious torture against frum parents can possibly give you better results in further birth rate reduction but that Nazis were the worlds greatest experts at how to accomplish this evil goal of birth rate reduction Chas Vesholom.
This is what happens when the taxpayer is the “breadwinner” for a family and not the husband.
This research only reinforces the common knowledge that a large percentage of chareidi families keep having babies not “lashem mitzvah” but rather for “lashem money”…i..e more kids, more charity and welfare from others. Since they can always rely on others to clothe, feed and school their children, they can hide behind some “paru uravu” argument to not control themselves and have a normal size family.
ha ha!
they make me laugh. it seems as if they have no clue of the hareidy mentality. There are many families, especially in jerusalem, who don’t take any government programs because they don’t want their children to grow up on “non-kosher” money. or as the toldos avrom yitzchok rebbe said it in a recent interview posted on VIN: because the zioninsts are mechalel shabbos……
However, their birth rate is no less than the ones who do take it.
the people doing the survey are so out of touch with reality!
Anyone who thinks that people are having children because of benefits is a fool.
Raising a child in the United States comes with nearly $300,000 price tag.
You can look it up online:
And so, if anyone gets a child tax credit or food stamps or even welfare it doesn’t even cover 1% of that cost.
All government benefits don’t cover the real cost of living and no where near the real cost.
To all those who work, pay taxes and don’t “Fargin” a poor person who collects a few cents of Tzedaka I suggest to you that YOU TRADE with the poor man.
Let the “working taxpayer” go to Kolel and collect $50 per child in food stamps and give the Kolel Man YOUR JOB and your paycheck of $70,000 per year (before taxes.
All poor people would LOVE to change places with all the GREEDY “taxpayer” complainers here.
Indeed Chazal say to all such greedy people who earn a good living and or to greedy to give Maaser: Chazal predict that YOU will end up collecting Tzedaka YOU will have the 10% and the 90% of your salary will go to those who deserve it and NOT you.
even the birds dont breed if there isnt enough food for them to give their offspring its a kal vehoimer that humans should also rely on their own 2 hands and not have children on others account if this handout continus then we are all in trouble as we already are because of the medical practices ,this country of usa is killing its population with kindness
The fallacy of this “research” is most obvious.
A. For the Hareidi (whatever that means, I assume that alludes to traditional i.e. Nonstop Nonhypocritical Torah Observant Jews) who won’t use any birth control method (via the pill, nor via spermicide, fetuscide or infanticide etc.) except in a case prescribed by the Torah (financial distress not among them), how in the world does the measly few shekels the goverment grants them affect their birthrate?
Except if they’re suggesting that by cutting the allowances, they left the kollelim in masse and started working 18 hours per, hence they practicing abstinence?
These claims of child benefits affecting the birth rate are merely wishful thinking. These articles pop up all the time in the secular news, and sometimes they actually quote “statistics”. Then they really make fools of themselves, because the authors of these articles never studied statistics, and anyone who has studied statistics realizes right away that the claimed “statitics” are not possibly true, but are rather made up.
The fallacy of this “research” is most obvious.
The birthrate among “Hareid” (whatever that means, I assume that alludes to traditional i.e Nonhypocritical Constant Torah Observant Jews) across the world, is quite uniform. Whether in Bnei Brak or in Boro Park, London or Lakewood, Monsey, Montreal or Meiah Shearim, you’ll find the same sized families B”H. Notwithstanding the fact that there’s no financial gain per child born into the family (Food Stamps goes toward food, which is a neccecity by those “hareidis” too, and the amount received per child hardly covers the added food expense required by that child, EIC doesn’t change after the 2nd child).
B. This report may be true for the Arab sector, but I got news for you. Those “hareidis” happen to care for their kids, resulting in a far bigger expense per child, than the few shekels received from the Goverment per child. Actualy given the abhorently high VAT on virtualy any item (excluding fruit – for now :-), I believe the government actualy gets the better part of the deal per child .
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C. For the traditional Torah observant Jew who won’t use any birth control method (via the pill, nor via spermicide, fetuscide or infanticide etc.) except in a case prescribed by the Torah (financial distress not among them), how in the world does the measly few shekels the goverment grants them affect their reproductiveness?
Except if they’re suggesting that by cutting the allowances, they left the kollelim in masse and started working 18 hours per day, hence they where forced to practice abstinence .
Never happened and never will.
Kollelim were around in E”Y before these measly few shekels, and will stay till all of k’lal yisroel will take share in the amount of torah needed to continue protecting the continuation of klal yisroel, as it did for the last 3000 years – without a standing military.
Only then will the “Hareidi” be able to take the liberty and discontinue the Kollel system – at least as in its present form, and take equal part in other aspects of national security, like the IDF, which since Hashem wants the world to act in a natural way, is indeed an integral part of the national defense system.
Ah Freilichen Chanikeh
all studies are not created equal . there is a vast difference between an intellectualy honest study and one that is not so . where as one that is intellectualy honest , the writer assumes no prescribed outcome of his study rather he embarks on a journey in a quest for the truth . the conclusion of such a study requires us at a minimum to give pause and rethink positions and beliefes no matter how long we have had them . versus the other kind of study where the writer already believes in a particular outcome even before starting his study , then the study autamatically becomes a search for confirmation of his prior belief rather then a real quest for the truth . and then it is no longer something to be rekoned with at all because the writer then has a vested interest in a particular outcome . [to prove that he had the right answer all along] so in regards to this issue it is practically impossible for someone who is not deeply religous and is not ingrained with real emunah and bitochen to comprehend that there might be a whole community that would willingly be ready to put themself deeper and deeper into poverty by having more and more children without any means to support them therefore the result of this study was a forgone conclusion in the mind of the writer even before starting the study and thus could not be trusted .
Reply to 24 why do you belive he won them without singing tehilim if that’s the case than right here is the falacy of your side of the story please reread our holy Torah and it’s battales and tell me how chazal teach us the Jews won wars starting with Abraham and the 4 kings throwing stones sounds almost as a big miracals as saying tehillim yakove ki vecharbi which is explaind by rashi to mean tefilah and whfn he met his brother again he said tehilim the chashmonaim so on and so forth go Learn and you’ll see yes dovid won by saying tehillim
Reply to 3 beside the falacy of this whole argument which is not my point others have tried that all I want to ask you is ” and who told you that’s not bitachon maybe that’s hashems way of suporting this poor children ever heard of the man who was drowning and Somone threw him a life jacket he wouldent take couse god would save him than somone swam to get him but he said no again than a boat came by but again he wouldent board couse only god can save him do he drowns when he got up to heaven he askt why dident god save me god said I came three times you rejected me so this might just be gods way of suporting this kids and at the same time giving you the chance to do the mitzva of tzedakah as chazal say that’s the reason for poor peppol and the rich should thank the poor for the opertuneety this is not me it’s chazal and before you just blame me for being another snhorer I’ll assure you I make over a six figure income a year
Reply to 9 realy where in the Torah dose it say that please show me and you are corect that we don’t need to interject naziezm into this we can look at history and see what happend to nations that had no off-springs and we can go back to the sadomites who have been the first in history with your ideas of not giving and shearing the wealth hashem gave you thank him use what you need and share the rest as our Torah has tought us all allong that that’s the only way to retain your income ever heard of maser trumah ever heard of peiah why should I support that Levi let him get a Job or ever heard of yissuchor zevulan but it’s ok couse all this who write and think of you belive that it’s your hard work and god got nothing to do with it so in that case it’s not a religess Jew talking with a simmeler minded peer it’s a religess Torah fearing man talking to a non beliver and in that case no more explenation needed at all
You mean they may have to actually WORK now?????????