Israel – Public leaders should call on the ultra-Orthodox and on Arabs to reduce their birth rate, the finance minister’s senior adviser, Dr. Avi Simhon, said Tuesday at a conference in Sderot, according to Army Radio.
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Simhon said they should be told that its irresponsible and that “you cause harm to your children and to your community.”
He added that, “An ordinary person checks how many children he can support, and the taxes he pays go to those who have eight children without being able to support them.”
That reminds me of a coworker many years ago who he and his wife were each making six digits a year, and he once told me that he cannot afford to have a second child!
We Jews believe that “Mahn Deyohiv Chaya Yohiv Mezoina”.
He speaks emes. The practice among most normal yidden is to have as many children as the ebeshter allows for them to care for properly and nurture without having to beg for tzadakah from others (or the government) to support. Unfortunately, a small percentage of yiddin ignore the welfare of their children and their social responsibilities and keep pushing out babies as if were some kind of contest where the prize is a bigger chelek of olam haboh. They will be sorely disappointed but also are condemning their yinglach to a lifetime of poverty. They also force the rest of klal yisroel to pay their way in terms of subsidies for children they cannot afford to feed, clothe or educate.
Egypt is on the other side of the border –
yeah, like thats gonna happen
(Reply to #1 and #6 ):
Divrei Pi Chochom Chein!!!
“An ordinary person checks how many children he can support”
We are far from ordinary. We are the Am Segulah. The secualr criminal Israeli government better get its collective out of its tuchus.
The lack of Emunah and Bitachon these days in our circles is scary! And we’re all guilty of it!!!
I suggest we all hear some shiurim from R’ Lazer Brody or R’ Bentzion Shafier on these subjects just so we realize how deficient we are in these areas…
let him move to china where they would kill his second child if it’s a girl. everybody is entitled to have as many children as they desire and the government should stop thinking that they’re responsible to feed them. b”h the frum community is well organized and someone in need to feed their kinderlach has many places to turn for help.
they should not tell us what to do with our lives and our money.
Reply to No. 8
It is because we are the “Am Segulah” that we have a special responsibility NOT to be like India or Bangladesh or other backward societies where parents have more children than they can afford to feed and and educate. If frum yidden can afford 10 children, much hatzlacha. If they cannot, than simply exercise some “self control” and not behave like a bunch of behamos and have children without regard to their resources. Research shows that even some behamos are known to adjust their mating habits to the availability of food in a given year and not reproduce if they will not be able to properly nourish their children.
“We Jews believe that “Mahn Deyohiv Chaya Yohiv Mezoina”
If that is the case, please explain why when I go to shul I can’t daven for five minutes strait without being approached by a “yingerman with a big Mishpacha” that needs
money because they can’t pay the bills, the same thing happens were ever Jews congregate, a chasuna Bar Mitzvah or Bris Etc. please help me understand.
Afraid of demographics, they are. Care for us they do not.
Something is not right when someone studies all day, and doesn’t work, while at the same time having a large family. They should not have to depend on food stamps and/or welfare, or subsidized housing.
When a contestant with a dozen children came on the old You Bet Your Life Show with Groucho Marx said he liked children that’s why he had so many, Groucho replied he likes smoking cigars, but he takes it out of his mouth once in a while!
#17 Thank Hashem that you are the one giving and not the one shnorring. The money we have is from Hashem, so that we are gabbai tzedoko. The Torah says to give, and does not have restrictions not to give to those with big families with no money.
arabs & haredim: have as many children as you want, but don’t expect me to support you
Im more of a Socialist when it comes to money. Other people’s money, lol. I believe that as Jews we are responsoble for each other, especially financially. So if you make 6 figures, and I make half of that, and I can’t afford my mortgage any longer, I think you should help me pay it, because you really don’t need all that money anyway. I also think that if you win the lottery for say, 10 million dollars, you definitely don’t need all that. So you should support about a hundred yeshivaleit who are poor.
To # 24
Thank Hashem that you are the one giving and not the one shnorring. The money we have is from Hashem, so that we are gabbai tzedoko. The Torah says to give, and does not have restrictions not to give to those with big families with no money.
So the meaning of “Mahn Deyohiv Chaya Yohiv Mezoina” is that hashem provides for us by giving us the option to shnorr, thank you very much, now I understand.
Mr. Simhon, someone should’ve suggested this to your mother before you were born!
To all the “tzadikim” that think that “they” support poor people – I will tell you a big secret – there is “Aibishte” in the world, and only reason that you exist might be is to help those poor, and if you won’t – arbe shluchim l’Mokom, but your time might be up, since who needs you in a world after all?
For Torah? You sound like apikores!
For mitzvos? You don’t do!
What good are you?
You should be looking for those poor youngerlite to help them, to give you z’chus in oilom abo and not to look downn at them!
They are the one’s that whole world was created for, to learn and do mitzvos!
And not to work whole day and become baley gaiva!
To #28confused. Yes you’re confused. Hashem is giving people with means a chance to give tzedaka. The money will reach the poor man. Harbe Shlichim LaMokom and if you don’t give it, someone else will and you will lose out on the Mitzvah.
The rasha in the article says:
“An ordinary person checks how many children he can support…”
Shmuel’s translation:
An ordinary person, presumably secular, is too selfish and too attached to what he thinks of as “good life”. So he ends up having one child, later in life, sometimes two but often none at all. And he wants to continue that way. But there is this one inconvenient ‘chareidi’, who by his very existence, and the large family he is raising with limited resources, makes our ‘ordinary person’ feel very guilty, and makes it very vivid to him how wrong he is, and how meaningless his life is. Thus the solution. Let’s force these inconvenient ‘chareidim’ to become more like us, the ‘ordinary’.
There are a few chareidi rabbonim who still hold that there is a chiyuv for yiddin to continue cranking out babies regardless of their income, age, child-rearing capabilities, issues with developmentally challenged kids, etc. as long as the woman is biologically capable but thank god most rabbonim today show common sense and will assure a woman she is not obligated to be a baby machine once she and her husband no longer feel capable of having or caring for more children.
The request of the Finance Minister does not have a halachic basis. He might as well be asking Haredim to throw children into the Nile (G-d forbid)!
To #38 , Which Chareidi Rabbonim hold differently?
Besides the halacha side. We are being outnumbered by the arabs as is, now if we listen to this nut we’ll be speaken arabic.
To 43, true. It took 43 posts until someone thought of this.
To #41 confused. Hashem can cause your salary to increase substantially. I wish that on you, so that you can support all your family. Hashem takes care of us.
At least the large chareidi community’s birthrates offset the arab ones. Otherwise in the next few gennerations the Jews will be a small minority in their own land of Israel……scary to think.
So what should a guy do who was making enough to have 18 kids and he had 18 kids, and he lost his money, how many should he kill? Lo nivra haolam ela bshvil pru urivu!!! La’arev al tanech yadecha! I have 4 kids I hope to be zoche to have many many many more!! The problem is that a lot of posters here don’t believe that hashem gives everyone what they need therefore telling them man diyahiv chaya yahiv mezoneh is useless!! It takes a retard not to believe that hashem runs the show! Whoever really believes that egg and sperm make a baby without hashems help is really really dumb!! Better yet for all you baby haters if u loose ur job y don’t u just kill youreselfs!!