New York, NY – Do Torah Values Belong In The Voting Booth?

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    Bob Turner (left) and Assemblyman Dov Hikind at the latter's home when he endorsed Turner for Congress on September 7.New York, NY – Bob Turner’s historic victory over David Weprin in the 9th Congressional District on September 13 was a victory not only for Republicans but also for Orthodox Jews who played a large part in electing a Republican to a congressional seat that had been held by Democrats since the 1920s. A new political reality has emerged as the Jewish community proved that it will come out in force to support the candidate whose views it feels most closely match its own, regardless of the candidate’s religion or political party.

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    At the same time, however, the election also brought to the forefront an issue that has increasingly become the subject of debate among Orthodox Jews – the propriety of mixing politics with religion. In other words, should a Torah observant Jew bring his or her religious values into the voting booth or leave them at home?

    According to many observers, David Weprin’s outspoken support of gay marriage cost him the election. Weprin’s identification as an Orthodox Jew made his support of gay marriage especially egregious for many. “The issue here was beyond just supporting gay marriage,” said New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who crossed political lines to support Turner. “This was him getting up and using his Orthodoxy as a way to say that supporting gay rights was okay. That is something that is so beyond the pale that it really rallied Orthodox Jews, even those who would ordinarily never get involved, telling their followers not to vote for Weprin.”

    Weprin tried defending his stance on gay marriage before the election, telling a largely Jewish audience at a candidate forum, “It has nothing to do with my personal religious beliefs. I am not running for rosh yeshiva.”

    Clearly, the election results showed that many disagreed with that statement. Indeed, shortly before election day, a letter signed by forty prominent rabbanim, including Rabbi Yisroel Belsky and Rav Shmuel Kaminetzky, circulated which declared it “forbidden” to vote for Weprin campaign because of his stance on gay marriage.

    “There is no question that an Orthodox Jew cannot vote for a candidate who comes out in favor of an act that is clearly an abomination,” said Rabbi Menachem Shayovich, who chaired Agudath Israel’s Commission on Legislation and Civic Action and was a special assistant to former Governor Hugh Carey. “Many people, not just Orthodox Jews, felt that this was definitely a reason to vote against David Weprin. This is wrong from both a religious and a civil rights perspective and I would feel just as strongly about this issue for a non-Jewish candidate as well.”

    Rabbi Michael Broyde, professor of law at the Emory University School of Law in Atlanta, disagreed. “Politics is very complex,” he told The Jewish Press. “We want to be against government regulations that coerce people to go against their religious beliefs even if that means allowing for things that we might not agree with. You can’t tell the government we need you to accommodate our religious beliefs but not those of someone else. We need to have people in government who will protect our rights as religious Jews, and who they have to join in alliance with to protect our needs is not a halachic decision, but a practical one.”

    Rabbi Gil Student, author of the popular Torah Musings blog, suggested that while politicians need to decide if they will adopt the liberal approach of allowing for maximum freedom in our society or the more conservative approach of expecting the government to build a moral society, they must realize that their decision can cost them votes.

    “Like many others of my generation who have never faced religious discrimination, I do not see an intense need to support liberal policies. We vote with our conscience for whichever politician, regardless of religion, we believe will contribute to this country by building a society that is morally and economically sustainable. Orthodox Jewish politicians can legitimately choose either approach, but they cannot expect the support of Orthodox Jews who choose differently.”

    While in this election, the conservative viewpoint represented by Turner was in sync with Torah values, that is not always the case. “Just because a position is taken by right-wing Christians doesn’t make it a Torah position,” advised Howie Beigelman, director of state affairs for the Orthodox Union. “That is especially true in the case of abortion where halacha often permits, and sometimes even requires, an abortion. We cannot assume that just because there is a generally conservative political view that it is Torahdik. God didn’t register with a political party. We can’t be so parochial as to carve out Orthodox friendly bills. We are too small a minority in a pluralistic democracy. If someone else’s rights are trampled, we know too well from history, ours could be next.”
    Ezra Friedlander, CEO of The Friedlander Group With Sen. Lieberman, and David Weprin
    Ezra Friedlander, CEO of The Friedlander Group, a non-partisan public affairs company based in New York and Washington that represented Weprin’s campaign, warned that mixing politics with religious beliefs is dangerous. “Your own religious faith and beliefs should be just that, your own,” he cautioned. “Not only should we be careful as voters not to bring religion into the political discourse, but candidates who share your religion should be careful not to appeal for your support because of that shared allegiance.

    “Additionally, influencing the public discourse with one’s private religious beliefs is both wrong and counterproductive and would set a dangerous precedent for other religious faiths. What if it was a Muslim imam or Catholic priest that dictated to their communities that their vote on certain issues should be in accordance with their religious beliefs? The greatness of our democracy is our ability to express our positions on every issue, but bringing our religious perspective into the political process will only encourage others to do the same, which can be both to our benefit and our detriment. We may identify allies in other religious communities whose beliefs mirror our own but once we have let the genie out of the bottle and espoused religious doctrine as part of a political campaign, we may find the results disturbing and sometimes quite dangerous.

    “We have the right to advocate for what we believe in as individuals and as a community but we must do so wisely. Bringing our sacred Torah into the murky waters of political campaigning is not a practice we should be engaged in. Politics is inherently not pure, while the Torah is the epitome of purity and holiness. Why mix the two? Keep religion out of politics because when you bring the Torah into the political process you are sullying something that is holy and pure.”


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    Darek
    Darek
    12 years ago

    I will continue to vote for conservative lawmakers no matter what the “askunim” instruct us to do. Voting for leftist politicians helps the left gain power, what happens then is they pass more socialist laws and slowly we go from a democracy to a soft tyranny to communism. History repeats itself. Once we are under communism there is no more religious freedom no more Judaism. Think Stalin think Hitler think Venezuela think Cuba.

    DRE53
    DRE53
    12 years ago

    i agree that torah values isn’t something to consider when voting but on the same grounds there’s no reason to vote for a candidate merely because he shares the same religion as the voter.
    so yes, it should’t matter if weprin supported gay marriage or not but it also shouldn’t matter wether turner is jewish or not.

    dspiegel
    dspiegel
    12 years ago

    Rabbi Broyde said: “… is not a halachic decision, but a practical one. …”
    Since when is Halacha not for practical decisions?

    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    FinVeeNemtMenSeichel
    12 years ago

    there is so much to say about this. for starters, the issue is not religious issue but that of moral values. true, our morals and values are shaped by our religious beliefs. but think about it – if legalization of murder was a “referendum issue,” who in his right mind would back a candidate who backed it? I am also quite sad to see that rabbis are now telling us to ignore concepts such as Torah values and chillul hashem, the latter which would be caused by Jews voting for gay-marriage proponents. gay marriage is a very hot topic in the news and has become a common household discussion everywhere. everybody’s waiting to see what will be the political fallout for those candidates who voted in favor thereof. we jews are always “under the microscope. to the average american, jews are liberals. I am quite proud that we have placed ourselves on the political map on the right side of moral issues .

    newtransplant
    newtransplant
    12 years ago

    I feel that someone whose moral values are close to what the Torah dictates, then he is the better one for the ofiice. Because he lives and promotes a morally pure life, his agenda will therefore, be mostly what is good for the Yidden.

    Facts1
    Facts1
    12 years ago

    Yes that’s what Avraham did, spread the word of Hashem and we should follow in his footsteps and be a light onto others.

    12 years ago

    I can’t believe that a frum jew would say “Not only should we be careful as voters not to bring religion into the political discourse” the torah is our way of life in ALL aspects!

    eighthcomment
    eighthcomment
    12 years ago

    Aren’t heavenly values supposed to be internalized into the way we live? The way we are supposed to light the nations? Isn’t that what we are here for? Its not just “up in Heaven” but the best way to live! As such, because we all don’t run the world- but how morally we live and act determines our destiny- I will choose a candidtae who’s views are similar to my religion because that will be the best outcome- that’s my choice as a voter in a democracy

    12 years ago

    If a so called “frum” candidate support the socially regressive policies of the Republican right wing and fails to provide help to the truly needy in our society and rips apart the safety net built over decades, than his torah values are worthless and he/she deservies to be defeated. There is zero correlation between the tea party values an daas torah.

    12 years ago

    In our government system, we vote to have representation in office who most closely reflects our own positions. Even the concept of “favorite son” is based on the expectation that favors from government will filter down with preference to that candidate’s home state. We vote our own conscience, what is ultimately better for me or us. I do not place much confidence in someone’s religious affiliation, but only in the positions that will be exercised in office. My stand on gay marriage is that it legitimizes immorality, and this is unacceptable. If enough voters feel otherwise, they are free to vote their conscience, and I will need to find another way to cope with the difference between the elected official’s position and my own. Yes, we do need to be careful, but this situation was quite clear.

    leahle
    leahle
    12 years ago

    It is appropriate to take your morals into account when deciding for whom to vote. However, this is but one factor to consider. Is it better to vote for a candidate with whom you agree on moral issues, but who will otherwise be an incompetent representative who might cause harm to the district? Do you choose your dentist or doctor only by their morals or by their skill? It is not, however, appropriate for religious leaders to tell their followers how to vote. The IRS has banned political activity by religious groups who take advantage of the federal tax exemption, so this could be a violation of the law. It is also just a really bad idea. Just think of what will happen if special interest groups start throwing large amounts of money at rabbis to try to buy their followers’ votes. The last thing we need is another scandal about charity funds.

    12 years ago

    where was everyone by the NYS govener elections. Cuomo siad straight out that he supports gay marrage

    YonahLevi
    YonahLevi
    12 years ago

    “That is especially true in the case of abortion where halacha often permits, and sometimes even requires, an abortion. We cannot assume that just because there is a generally conservative political view that it is Torahdik. God didn’t register with a political party. We can’t be so parochial as to carve out Orthodox friendly bills. We are too small a minority in a pluralistic democracy.”

    “Orthodox-friendly bills” = moral bills, we must encourage these…and our values aren’t solely held by us, but by many non-Jewish americans, and while we may differ on certain exceptions and small points (ie abortions to women who are in physical danger), on the bulk of these moral issues we are in agreement. The main thing should be outlawing murder (ie abortions) and toeivah marriages and then (at least in the case of the former) for extenuating circumstances exceptions can be made. It shouldn’t work the other way (that because of the exceptional cases we support legalization of it for cases of convenience).
    The OU can’t show us an American group that supports abortion where Halacha would require it. Our Torah values belong everywhere, in everything we do. That is what a Kiddush Hashem is.

    SherryTheNoahide
    SherryTheNoahide
    12 years ago

    One could argue that the Torah concerns itself w\the needs of the poor, much more than it does even immorality!

    Also, one could argue that in a fair, free, prosperous, well-educated & healthy society, one would see a drop in things like violence, crime, domestic abuse, abortions, unwanted pregnancy, STD’s, anyway, w\out needing to *legislate* those issues!

    But unfortunately, the people who scream “Keep the gov’t out of our business!”…

    Are the SAME people who want to legislate morality in ALL aspects of life, including even who gets to serve in the military openly, who gets to apply for a marriage license in this country, etc., so I’m not really sure they know WHAT they want! (And no, I’m not *advocating* gay marriage – just trying to make a point that you can’t really legislate who people want to go into marital contracts with… and then turn around & say you want gov’t to stay out of people’s personal lives! It’s a total contradiction.)

    Personally, I believe the gov’t is responsible for the welfare of the people *on the whole* & not just ONE particular group of people. (The very wealthy or the very straight- lol)

    But bugging us all *individually*? No.

    And religion? No

    rationalman
    rationalman
    12 years ago

    gay marriage is a very very serious issue…the gemarah 92 chulin when discussing various laws and actions of the b’nai noach it discusses that although they may participate in mishkav zochor even they would not offer a marriage contract between two men. you see the level or moral depravity that this issue contains. it is the beginning of the end of a civil society. the great ones all had their downfall when introducing similar behaviors…..roman ….greek…and certainly biblical times….it is a big issue …it is not just on par with having the ten commandments in a federal building it is greater than that…

    Member
    12 years ago

    If you read Tanakh, it discusses attention to the poor and the needy’s cause. Do we do this in the polls? If we vote for tax breaks for the rich, are we really Torah observant as we are really not considering the cause of the poor are we. I guess politics will be politics, but Torah is always right. And of course, unless the sides are the same on social issues and help for the poor and weak and sick, there might clearly be a True Torah Vision for whom you might wish to elect. But don’t think I am going to let a rabbinical leader tell me how or to whom to give my vote. I’ll be listening though! Thanks.

    shtill
    shtill
    12 years ago

    I’m not sure what the Torah perspective is, but one thing is certain – our constitution and legal system does not accomodate it. If the Anti-gays would like a ban based on religion they should first amend the constitution.

    12 years ago

    I dont really agree with eveything in this article there are times like for example when there was an election in the 11th district to fill simcha felder’s seat that the Jewish population did not necessary listen to the rabbamin they voted for what they thought was a good candidate for our area. I also dont think that as a religious person you can seperate Jewish beliefs when you vote they are always a part of you