New York – Op-Ed: What’s The Deal With These Protestors?

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    New York – Tuesday evening, a charming and sincere young man who is a survivor of childhood abuse shared with me that he had driven 7 hours each way in order to attend a protest at the “Internet Asifa” in CitiField. He mentioned how gratifying it was and how pleased he was to have made the trip. This was the second rally recently organized by abuse victims – the first was held at a Williamsburg fundraiser for an individual who is under indictment for allegedly molesting a child over a period of 4 years.

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    These protests have elicited a wide range of emotions among members of our community along a continuum ranging from sorrow and sympathy to bewilderment and bemusement and even to hostility and anger.

    Moreover, many members of our community have been asking those of us who are advocates for abuse survivors, “What’s the deal with these protests? What exactly do they [the survivors] want?

    Others are asking more basic questions, like, “Why can’t they just move on with their lives?” or “Someone messed around with a friend of mine, and he got over it. Why can’t they?”

    Well, my friends, it will serve us well to better understand the survivors and what exactly it is they want. We ought to because this conversation is very long overdue. But in a practical sense, it is imperative that we do because in all likelihood these protests will grow and intensify in the weeks and months ahead. The survivors are finding their voices and they will only gain traction now that the national and even international media is covering the abuse matter as it relates to our community.

    To begin with, one needs to really understand why abuse is so destructive to its victims. For that, a careful and thorough review of Abraham Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs might be a good place to start.

    In a nutshell, Maslow divided all human needs into 5 groups and suggests that they are sequential in nature — meaning that until all Level 1 needs are met, it is impossible to move on to Level 2 needs, and that Level 3 needs cannot be realized until Level 2 needs are met.

    Here are the groups of needs as Maslow sees things:

    • Level 1 – [The Most] Basic Needs (such the need for food, water and shelter)

    • Level 2 – Safety and Security (the need to feel protected from danger)

    • Level 3 – Socialization (the need to bond with family and friends)

    • Level 4 – Self Esteem (the need to feel self-confident and respected)

    • Level 5 – Self Actualization (the need to “be all you can be.”)

    For a practical example of Maslow’s theory in action; just imagine that your car breaks down on the wrong side of the tracks and you are fearful for your safety. Just then a childhood friend calls and says, “Hi, Yankie, I’m in town for the week. Can we get together and catch up on things?” However, much as you would love to enjoy the Level 3 need of socialization under regular conditions, your brain quite literally cannot even contemplate engaging in that pleasure when your life is in danger.

    Child abuse destroys innocent children’s lives in so many ways. But perhaps the most damaging component of all is the fact that is that it totally destroys their Level 2 security — without which it is quite literally impossible for them to rebuild their lives. How can they ever feel safe again after they were violated? Just imagine what it would be like having a childhood where you were living 24/7 like that fellow in the dangerous neighborhood who had a broken-down car noted above? And this is all the more damaging when it is perpetrated by a family member, friend or educator whom the children were depending on to keep them safe. For if the adults in whose care they rely on are hurting them, who in the world can they ever fully trust again?

    It is also important to note that just like people celebrate sports victories and/or losses in diverse manners, so too do they have different time frames in which they can successfully recover from the incredible trauma of childhood abuse.

    All of this is exacerbated when the children come forward and are not believed or worse yet, punished or threatened for reporting their molester. It is quite literally a second round of abuse and it just reinforces their feeling of being rootless and wind-driven. In fact, so many victims report that they were more devastated by not being believed than they were from the original abuse.

    Speaking of not believing the victim, research indicates that the overwhelming majority of children who come forward with abuse allegations were telling the truth. Think about it. Why would anyone in their right mind come forward with a claim of being abused if it didn’t happen? (The exception to this rule is in messy custody battles where one party clearly stands to gain if the other is maligned.) All the more so in our community where there is unfortunately a stigma attached with those who do so. Going public and helping to get the perpetrator apprehended, in order to protect the lives of other innocent children, often comes at great personal cost to the survivors and their families.

    About five years ago, as awareness in our community about the matter of child abuse began to rise, many of the long-suffering victims began to hope against hope that things would finally change. People would finally “get it” they believed, and they would once again feel welcome and nurtured instead of being treated as pariahs who ruined the sterling reputations of their abusers. Who knows, they might even get their Level 2 security back again.

    Then they pick up a charedi publication one weekend and see a picture of a group of distinguished rabbis visiting a monster in a Virginia jail cell, who was serving a 31-year prison sentence for raping his daughter in three continents over a period of many years. More than 10 survivors contacted me as soon as that picture ran in the paper. “How could they do that to us?” they asked me. “Don’t they know that supporting the perpetrator they are stabbing us in the heart?” they cried. Well, they are. They really are.

    And what in the world should survivors in our community think when they see a huge fundraiser for someone accused of molesting a child? Many of them viewed the very public nature of this effort as clear warning of what is in store for anyone who might dare report a predator to the authorities.

    For many of the survivors, though, the final straw was the Internet Asifa. Why were they so upset? Let me count the ways for them.

    To begin with, the kids in the street know the truth — that the Internet is a firecracker compared to the atom bomb of abuse as far as going off the derech is concerned. Just ask any of them — or any of the adults in our community who work with the at-risk teen population, what the main reason is for children leaving Yiddishkeit.

    Moreover, many of these kids credit the connectivity of the Internet for finally raising awareness of abuse in our community, and as we all know, there is more than a kernel of truth there. “Why are the people running the Asifa blaming the Internet for causing children to go off the derech and saying nothing about the matter of child safety?” they wonder.

    Bottom line, there are hundreds and hundreds of abuse victims and survivors who were once part of our kehilos. Some left completely while others exist on the fringes – misunderstood, marginalized, and hurting.

    Trust me, the vast, overwhelming majority of them are nice kids who want neither vengeance nor revenge. They do, however, want to see that today’s children don’t suffer the way they did and they desperately want to see that things are changing as it relates to child safety.

    Now that the lid has blown off, these young men and women, who had their innocent childhoods stolen from them by vicious predators masquerading as upstanding members of the community, will have their voices heard and their stories told. We have two stark choices. We can reach out, engage them and really listen to what they have to say. Or we can continue to give them the back of our hands and then we will hear their tortured messages through the front pages of the newspapers and under the glaring lights of television cameras.

    Rabbi Yakov Horowitz is the founder and dean of Yeshiva Darchei Noam of Monsey, and founder and Director of Project Y.E.S. (Youth Enrichment Services). He is recognized throughout the Jewish community as an authority on raising children in these troubled times.


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    Rabbi Yair Hoffman
    Admin
    11 years ago

    An excellent and very intelligent analysis that gets to the heart of the issue. Although people may disagree with the following point, the issue of molestation and the devastating effects it has on people is no different than other issues that need further explanations such as hygiene issues. Many doctors 120 years ago were unaware that hands needed to be sterilized before working on a patient. Well-meaning people died because of the lack of knowledge. President Garfield also died for the same reason – not because of the assassin’s bullet but because of the infections of the medical personnel that worked on him.

    Rabbi Horowitz’s article informs and does so respectfully which is exactly what we need to create a change in attitudes. Please keep up the good work.

    AuthenticSatmar
    AuthenticSatmar
    11 years ago

    I want to begin by saying that I sympathize with the victims, and I too was inappropriately touched by a trusting adult.

    That said, I am sick of those who use that abuse as an excuse for blaming yiddishkeit for all their problems and use this as an excuse to go off.
    By them using every public opportunity to voice their protests they accomplish little. In fact I believe they further hurt their cause with the immature slogans.
    Yes 3$ million could save a lot of kids, but that doesn’t mean we’re wrong for making an asifa. Are we going to stop every minyan in every shul until every case of abuse is solved? By throwing their cause into every occasion they are weakening their standing.
    They need to learn that the person hurting them are not representatives of yiddishkeit. By allowing them to be off the derech yet come protest my way of life we are compounding their belief that what was done to them is yiddishkeit and they cannot not get past Stage 2.
    For some reason all we are hearing from are the off-the-derech victims attacking our way of lives. Where are the frum victims? Maybe they realize that its not yiddishkeits problem and they can heal and go from stage 2 to stage 3.
    Going of the derech and having meaningless sex with random strangers does not help them heal.

    Ben_Kol
    Ben_Kol
    11 years ago

    Brilliant and moving article. Essential reading for all rabbis and community leaders.

    Extremewx
    Extremewx
    11 years ago

    Extremely well written and spot on.

    If anyone needs a clear example of the idiocy and naivety of the frum community -who not only deny the existence of the abuse disease but also defame the victims- just read comment #2 as well as the many sure to follow

    blackandwhite
    blackandwhite
    11 years ago

    Kudos for Rabbi Horowitz once again. This is most meaningful and focused.

    Torahjew
    Torahjew
    11 years ago

    How about not honoring abusers or those who defend abusers as one speaker at the asifa is known to have done. How about placing a cherem and not allowing their children in yeshiva it is time to tun the tables on the abusers and their protectors

    kolemes
    kolemes
    11 years ago

    I think the protest had the opposite effect it showed that they are using the (legit)molesting issue as a stick to undermine and blacken the whole frum community I and 99 percent of people at the asifa have nothing to do and are disussted my the molesting stuff but WHY RUIN SUCH ASPECIAL GATHERING.
    all you did was make most people to distance themself from the issue as We became very suspious of your motives.

    kehati
    kehati
    11 years ago

    This article is truly remarkable. Bottom line- I think the genie has been let out of the bottle, and going forward, just like in secular society, those who abuse or molest children r’l, will have a much more dfifficult time walking away from the consequences than in the past.

    ncsyncsy
    ncsyncsy
    11 years ago

    Rabbi Horowitz is someone who has done so much for so many.That being said i believe he missed a golden opportunity to advance the cause of these unfortunate kids. Can you imagine the impact if Rabbi Horowitz, who works for the Agudah, and who is a Rosh Yeshivah in the same town where the featured speaker at the asifa is a Rosh Yeshivah ,would have stood with these protesters at the asifa? Trust me this would have been NY TIMES FRONT PAGE NEWS! This would have really helped us. Unfortuntaely an opportunity missed!

    ifti99
    ifti99
    11 years ago

    Authentic Satmar: With all due respect, you are incredibly misguided. Let me ask you this: Do you remember the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza? Who does the Talmud blame for the destruction of the second bais mikdash? (Hint: It’s not Bar Kamtza). If you were a member of a shul and were insulted in front of the whole olam, and the Rav and Askanim stood by and did absolutely nothing, would you be angry at them? I would!

    Do you know that so many secular people harbor tremendous hatred for rabbis due what happened in Russia with the children being dragged off to serve in the Russian army over 100 years ago? Why blame the rabbis? After all, isn’t it the Czar’s fault? Yes, but in most cases, the rabbis sons were not taken. It was the poor and orhan children who were.

    To have rabbis visiting child molestors while ignoring the victims is beyond the pale!

    So what’s the problem with the Asifa? Nothing except that it ignores reality. It’s sort of like having muggings and rapes going on in your neighborhood, and having the police hold a seminar on learning not to cross on red lights!

    Do you get it now?

    NiesNow
    NiesNow
    11 years ago

    Thank you Rabbi Horowitz, it’s unbelievably shocking how most people within our community have been so brain washed, When I ask a friend of mine in Shul, is there anyone working for the victims? is there a place for a victim to go to get help and get back on track? the answer is no, not without a loving family’s support and lots of money, yet the molesters they have the groups and backing of the majority, is this normal? every victim gets labeled, either as a liar and opportunist or just a lost soul looking for who do blame, our people don’t understand what abuse does to a person, WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP ?

    Jothar
    Jothar
    11 years ago

    Why does it have to be fighting molesters OR fighting the harmful effects of the internet? Why can’t we do both?

    AuthenticSatmar
    AuthenticSatmar
    11 years ago

    Many of you have obviously misread my words.
    I do have empathy for victims, and I do know what they’re going through – as I am a survivor. I overcame the victim phase and became a survivor. That does not mean I am no longer affected, it means I no longer blaming anyone and taking charge of my destiny.

    The asifa – whether you hold of it or not, had a meaningful purpose – and its debatable whether it achieved anything at all. For victims to use that as a forum, I felt it was inappropriate.
    I am not saying that it should be ignored, I am arguing that it should be done at appropriate times and places.
    As for going off the derech, I was arguing that by continuing to recognize them in our commmunity we are not helping the victims.
    As for the name calling, if you can’t argue intelligently the facts, then please just remain silent. Because my opinion is not the same as yours, that doesn’t automatically make me drek.

    NiesNow
    NiesNow
    11 years ago

    Mr Authentic Satmar, me too are an Authentic Satmar Yingerman, and I am shocked that you would write such utter non-sense, 1) do they really come to EVERY EVENT Really? 2) has ANYTHING BEEN done for them so that can finally say ok let’s move on? have they been healed? or have they been HURT more and MORE ? WE MOST HELP THEM MOVE ON, we most help them cope not shame them and push them further away

    kolemes
    kolemes
    11 years ago

    The asifa was a tremendes success I have spoken to a lot of people who put un filters after the kinus if it could even save one neshoma it is worth not 3 miilion but 100 MILLION.
    Regarding molesting it did not belong there, especialy after I heard the protest was paid for by an OTD Org. As the saying goes: you want a motive FOLLOW THE MONEY. Rabbi H I respect your work but please don’t become a “useful idiot” to those that look to undermine Klal yisroel

    11 years ago

    My abuser abused me when I was 7 living in Brooklyn. I found out many years later, he had abuse over 26 kids. We are all getting help for what happened to us, but it’s a shame he got away with it for so many years and more of a shame that our families tried to keep it quiet. Just removing us from our Yeshivas didn’t solve any problem, obviously. My kids know to come to me immediately if anything happens and we will go straight to the police. I have made them totally aware that one of their teachers or Rabbis could do “bad things” and not to be afraid to come to me.

    Butterfly
    Butterfly
    11 years ago

    To #2 How about just keeping the abusers far away from children? If this means that they cannot teach, so be it!! Then they will have to find another means of livelihood. Maybe, if they taught in a Yeshiva High School ( Grades 10, 11, 12 ONLY) they might not be tempted to touch, because these young men might hit back!! At least some of them might!! But they must be kept away from kids!!

    Mendy162
    Mendy162
    11 years ago

    > I am not saying that it should be ignored, I am arguing that it should be done at appropriate times and places.< It was: Victims’ parents went to menahelim to report the abuse—an appropriate time and place—and were not believed, and told nothing would be done. Then went to rabbanim, and were told that it’s assur to maser, and to go home. Then threatened to go to police if nothing was done, and were threatened with the expulsion of their other children. And here was an asifa of 50,000 Yidden—who might hear of their pain and do something—and you say that’s not an appropriate time and place? If it’s not, exactly what IS and hasn’t yet been tried? > As for going off the derech… by continuing to recognize them in our commmunity we are not helping the victims.< You should embrace and help them. I’m surprised you don’t just shoot these pesky victims, who refuse to go silently into the dark night that is their future because of attitudes like yours.

    ifti99
    ifti99
    11 years ago

    Authentic Satmar: “I am not saying that it should be ignored, I am arguing that it should be done at appropriate times and places. “

    First of all, if you really were molested, I’m sorry. Second of all, please tell us all what time and place is appropriate. And please list the rabbis that will attend such an asifa? Other than Rabbis Horowitz and Eisenman, it would seem to be a rather short list. The rabbis are supposed to lead the community. Where are they????

    I repeat. It is rather ridiculous to hold an asifa against the internet when there are much more inportent problems facing the Jewish community today.

    bewhiskered
    bewhiskered
    11 years ago

    It has been argued by those who would like the rest of us to ignore the epidemic of child molestation in ישיבות, that there is no mentioned איסור of pedophilia anywhere in all of ש”ס and פוסקים. But, nothing could be further from the truth. The משנה at the top of קידושין פ”ב ע”א learns that a bachelor should not teach in a ישיבה קטנה. The first reason the גמרא gives for this הלכה is אילימא משום ינוקי. Or, as רש”י learns in his own words משום דחשידי רווקים אמשכב זכור דתינוקות. Or, bachelors are suspect of relating carnally with children. Now then, while the actual מסקנא of the גמרא to why bachelors should not teach is משום אמהתא דינוקי, or, because of the mothers who bring their children to ישיבות, there is still a very strong איסור of molesting a child- משום ינוקי. Regrettably, this גמרא is not very well known to the enablers.

    maxedout
    maxedout
    11 years ago

    “Regarding molesting it did not belong there”

    100% it belonged there. Where better then the place where so many Rabbonim (and I use that term loosely) came together? The same Rabbonim who visit molestors in jail; the same rabbonim that protect the molestors; the same rabbonim who publicly say “protect the dignity of the (molesting) rebbie”, etc. Did just one of these rabbonim have the decency to say one nice word to these souls? NO! it was more important to get 40000 sheep like you to come together and give them the kovod that they demand. Perhaps its time for them to start earning the kovod.

    OYVY2
    OYVY2
    11 years ago

    Thank you Rabbi Horowitz, on the mark as usual. The frustration that the abused feel, must be tremendous. Public focus is just one of the ways to get this in the forefront of our minds. I feel ashamed of most of our “frum” community, when organizations such as Agudah and Rabbonim and principals of schools,who threaten and harass parents not to go the police, do not address the situation for the serious one it is. Molesters are sick people the sickness crosses all religious , economic lines, even with therapy, often the sickness goes on for generations. Whatever way that we can finally get the leaders to try to do something effective, that is the way to go. Hopefully, respected leaders will speak out as you do and champion our children and grand children

    zh100
    zh100
    11 years ago

    Abuse is an epidemic in our community and I doubt that any of the das torah will deny it. I believe the yeshivas and the community are no longer ignoring this issue and are quietly trying to address it. The community my not like to air their laundry in public and their are definitely those that are in total denial. These people won’t change. As a parent my kids get the speech and every parent is obligated to teach their child/children that its not OK to be touched by another child or an adult in areas that are covered.
    In regard to the internet many people don’t understand the dangers of it. I believed the plot of the asiifa was to educate the public and because the internet is part of most peoples daily lives. The internet has tons of good and just like the good is a click away so to is that bad. Although I do feel the asifa missed their target. I believe its important for people to understand how to safely work it. I believe a proper metaphor is a car. you won’t let your teenager just go into a car with out drivers ed or someone showing them how to use it. There are many marriages that have been broken up
    Therefore I don’t think the internet issue can be ignored. Its important to educate our people of both the dangers and soultions. What suggestions do you suggest for abuse?

    ayinglefunadorf
    ayinglefunadorf
    11 years ago

    Great!! Rabbi Horovitz you 100% right, but we have to start doing somethyng. You are well qualifed to do it. Once you start thousand will be with you, including many rabbis. I think most of the rabbis are good people just not enough leaders to start it. Many will join you. How can anyone oppose an Asifa for troubled/abused youth. Call it ASIFA 2 or any other name you wish. Asifa 1 started very small 8-10 weeks ago and become huge because it had a good cause. If you start it now by Shabbos Nachmu i think it could become huge. I think 100.000 People Maybe more. Monticello racetrek or similar. Time to do it Good Shabbes and Yom Tov.

    kalman1
    kalman1
    11 years ago

    I find it quite sad that no one seems capable of having a reasoned discussion with authenticsatmar. I disagree with much of what he said, but all the responses were in a nutshell “you are evil, you lack empathy etc.”. I think a more important criteria than your anonymously expressed opinions (although the blogosphere has a small affect) should be your actions. Get up and do something for these kids. Donate money, join the protest but make reasoned arguments. There is really no direct logical relationship with the asifa. The asifa was not inherently wrong. They should have protested there because it was a large gathering, but the points made were off the mark. It would have been harder to ignore logic than emotional based arguments. By directly attacking the asifa they declared war, instead of making a passionate logical based point.

    11 years ago

    Thank you Rabbi Horowitz! We need more positive awareness like this.
    I am frum and have been sexually molested as a child for 4 years. I can attest that every word written in this article is true. my friends and family consider me a very positive successful person. What they don’t know, is that I deal with this pain that will never leave on almost a daily bases. It has effected my life in so many ways I can’t even count. Many times I feel like I am that helpless 9 yr old boy and simply don’t have the strength to go on in my life! Sometimes the depression and feeling of worthlessness is so great, I can not cope and avoid people for days! Most of the time I keep up appearances and pretend as if life is great.

    It is not! All because some sicko who is very well known in the community, couldn’t control his urges I was effected for life. Quite possibly he is still doing this to other victims! I don’t know if professional help can help me “get over it”. In any case I have kept this secret for long enough I am not about to reveal it to anyone and can’t afford the cost anyway…

    The reason you mostly hear from non frum victims is because they have no reputation to uphold in the community, where as frum victims have too much to lose to come forward!!!! Don’t think for a second that they are not there! They are, and probably in numbers that would make your hair fall out! Silently we are chairing for these protesters “please oh please continue doing what you are doing” hopefully it will have enough impact and one day we all can look back and thank these brave neshomos for what they have done for our community and yidishkiet.

    Ah frielichen Shavous.

    More_Keys_on_Belt_Than_You
    More_Keys_on_Belt_Than_You
    11 years ago

    Any one that supports Weingarten the rapist pig deserves gehennim mamish, even if they act and talk like a “Ruv” remember they are not raboonim they are p’ere odom.

    11 years ago

    Awareness of the dangers on the internet is very real However, we need to be very thankful for the internet for allowing victims to anonymously come forward allowing themselves to feel empowered and therefore find support. Moreover, because of the internet, the yeshivas and camps have been forced to take a very active stance to avoid abuse at all costs. Awareness of abuse is more prudent than awareness of the internet. My hope is that those of you who were active in organizing the Asifa, now go on to advocate for victims and the prevention of abuse. Then those of us who questioned the importance of that gathering in relation to one addressing abuse can be made to feel we can trust the Rabbonim once again. Otherwise they have missed their opportunity to reach out to those who need it most. Unfortunately, recent history has shown us not to put our hopes up too high in that respect. Rabbi Horowitz is a hero. May he continue to be the true advocate we all need.

    GEULA
    GEULA
    11 years ago

    There are many professionals that help such victims, courts that try these criminals and mostly, rabbanim that advise. This is an issue that is IRRELEVANT to many people. There’s no reason why it should be creamed and thrown all over our face when so many innocent did nothing to cause it. By taking their case to citi field where an issue very relevant to all of klal yisroel was discussed they are pushing people away from having any interest in their issues. Pple took citi field very seriously and in essence the chore of the issue stressed was that am yisroel is not a media nation. We do things differently. And these protesters had one thing in mind; getting their message out to the media; which they did because on most channels only the protest was mentioned. And getting enough support from the media community so that AG Hynes opens cases up against rabbanim that may have been overlooked. As it is unfortunately there are many protesters that join in with baseless claims; only as a tool for revenge to their community and because of them doing that it affects the sympathy that the real victims should be getting from the community. It;s indeed asensitive issue but citifield x the place