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Berlin - After Bris Milah, Now Germany Wants To Ban Child Ear-Piercing

Published on: August 24, 2012 10:59 AM
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Berlin - Child ear-piercing has become the latest parental right under attack in Germany following the Cologne court’s determination that circumcision is illegal.

A Berlin court is now considering whether or not piercing an infant’s or toddler’s ears should be illegal as well.
The DIE WELT (http://bit.ly/Sw1Dlp) reports that the parents of a three-year-old girl who pierced their daughter’s ears at a tattoo studio may face criminal charges for causing their daughter an “inordinate amount of pain.” The tattoo studio which performed the piercing may be prosecuted for piercing the little girl’s ears instead of refusing to do the procedure. Doctors have said that “the child was still manifesting a traumatic reaction” even three days after the piercing. Many physicians have seized on this latest controversy to bolster their claims that like ear piercing, circumcision causes not only great physical, but also psychological harm to the child.

On Thursday, the German National Ethics Council unanimously agreed that circumcision should not be prohibited, but said that it must be conducted under “qualified medical supervision, with anesthetic,” and a full disclosure to parents about the potential risks.

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Council Member Reinhard Merkel said it was “bizarre” to allow religious groups to dictate how and when a human body can be wounded. Merkel said a “child’s right to bodily integrity” should be weighed against “religious requirements.” He added, however, that because the world has “indebtedness” to the Jews, a “special law” should enable Jews to practice circumcision.

Other council members such as Colonge-based Wolfram Höfling, said that the decision to circumcise a child should be left to the parents to determine what is in the best interests of their child and that their decision should be respected, especially since circumcisions have been performed numerous times without any suffering or difficulties.



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 Aug 24, 2012 at 11:17 AM Yakov Says:

This might sound far fetched, but L'Halacha, you must do Metzitza B'peh on an infants ear, after piercing. The reason is to avoid the Secanah of spreading infection just like by Milah.
And since it's Pikuach Nefesh, you're allowed to do the Metzitza B'peh even on Shabbos.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 11:28 AM 5TResident Says:

Now THIS I agree with. I really dislike seeing babies with pierced ears. There is no reason why a 6 month old child needs earrings.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM georgewashingtonbridge Says:

Why doesn't Germany just get it over with and ban children?

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM Avi Says:

Reply to #1  
Yakov Says:

This might sound far fetched, but L'Halacha, you must do Metzitza B'peh on an infants ear, after piercing. The reason is to avoid the Secanah of spreading infection just like by Milah.
And since it's Pikuach Nefesh, you're allowed to do the Metzitza B'peh even on Shabbos.

There's no Halachaic requirement to do Metzitza B'peh, though you have a point that Metzitza itself should be required.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 11:39 AM Nobody Says:

Reply to #2  
5TResident Says:

Now THIS I agree with. I really dislike seeing babies with pierced ears. There is no reason why a 6 month old child needs earrings.

It's called freedom.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM judith Says:

Only correct now if the child must turn 16 to consent to piercing.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM PMOinFL Says:

Why any Jew would live in this cesspool of socialism is beyond me. Do they not understand the concepts of FREEDOM and LIBERTY? Next thing you know, they'll just take your kid from you when he/she is born and bring them back at age 18 so that you can't do anything to them that the nanny state doesn't agree with.

The people advocate police (state) control over our personal lives are the REAL danger in this world.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 12:36 PM {Ploni Says:

Reply to #5  
Nobody Says:

It's called freedom.

Personally, I think it is sheer bad taste.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM Pro Lifer Says:

Reply to #1  
Yakov Says:

This might sound far fetched, but L'Halacha, you must do Metzitza B'peh on an infants ear, after piercing. The reason is to avoid the Secanah of spreading infection just like by Milah.
And since it's Pikuach Nefesh, you're allowed to do the Metzitza B'peh even on Shabbos.

In fact mpb is an integral part of ear piercing. If mbp is not done, the ear piercing is passul.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 12:48 PM Ken Zayn Says:

Reply to #1  
Yakov Says:

This might sound far fetched, but L'Halacha, you must do Metzitza B'peh on an infants ear, after piercing. The reason is to avoid the Secanah of spreading infection just like by Milah.
And since it's Pikuach Nefesh, you're allowed to do the Metzitza B'peh even on Shabbos.

Most of the posters on this site attributed the German ban on milah to anti-Semitism. I wonder how they will explain this new proposal to ban ear piercing?

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 01:00 PM shredready Says:

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Ken Zayn Says:

Most of the posters on this site attributed the German ban on milah to anti-Semitism. I wonder how they will explain this new proposal to ban ear piercing?

easy this is only a smoke screen to divert attention from their real goal to ban circumcision

PS I agree MP must be done even on shabbos so the baby does not get sick

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 01:14 PM ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 02:52 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

So it's not German anti-Semitism at work. It's a consistent legal principle of avoiding unnecessary invasive procedures on kids. Jews may not like it, but we can't scream about how we're being victimized. You'll also note the circumcision bans also apply to Muslims and traditional African cultures.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 01:51 PM judith Says:

Reply to #12  
ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

There is a difference between a private opinion and a public protest. i am unaware of any Jewish group publicly denouncing female circumcision. I don't think anyone cares enough to meddle.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 02:04 PM 5TResident Says:

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Nobody Says:

It's called freedom.

I guess people should have the right to be stupid.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

There is no reason for ear piercing to be painful if the right equipment is used. I have watched little girls get their ears pierced with the "gun" and they are so surprised it didn't hurt that they are grinning ear to ear right away.

They can do us all a favor and ban tramp stamps, though. (tattoos)

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 03:43 PM esther Says:

Reply to #12  
ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

there's a huge difference.if you read about what exactly female circumcision entails,especially in the regions where the surgerey is more drastic,you can only come to the conclusion that it's barbaric.also the reason is not to include girls in any covenent but to change female physiology.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 04:06 PM RalphWaldoEmerson Says:

Reply to #7  
PMOinFL Says:

Why any Jew would live in this cesspool of socialism is beyond me. Do they not understand the concepts of FREEDOM and LIBERTY? Next thing you know, they'll just take your kid from you when he/she is born and bring them back at age 18 so that you can't do anything to them that the nanny state doesn't agree with.

The people advocate police (state) control over our personal lives are the REAL danger in this world.

Freedom and liberty are concepts that apply to children too parents have a RESPONSIBILTY to raise their children in a safe environment not a RIGHT to use their children as pincushions

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 04:15 PM Sol Says:

Reply to #1  
Yakov Says:

This might sound far fetched, but L'Halacha, you must do Metzitza B'peh on an infants ear, after piercing. The reason is to avoid the Secanah of spreading infection just like by Milah.
And since it's Pikuach Nefesh, you're allowed to do the Metzitza B'peh even on Shabbos.

It's not a joke. You really have to do it even by an ingrown toe nail.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 04:31 PM Anonymous Says:

This (banning ear-piercing of a child), I agree with.

ChareidiMan, you need to read up more instead of spouting nonsense. Female circumcision is absolutely barbaric, in all ways.

Put simply, on a female, these savages don't circumcise foreskin, with relatively extremely few nerve endings, unlike what is done by a male. Just the opposite.

As well, there is no medical purpose in tampering with the female side (even in a sterile environment), whereas there is a medical benefit to male circumcision, even if there are studies on both sides.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 04:48 PM RobertS Says:

Reply to #12  
ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

As i understand it, FGM is not a requirement of Islamic law, it is a cultural practice, while male circumcision is part of Islamic law.. I'm not an expert, but repeating what I had previously read elsewhere.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 05:24 PM benny45 Says:

I have a great solution for Germany, why don't they kill all the children like they did 65 years ago and that way they'll get rid of all their problem Bris milah and ear piercings etc.?

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 05:26 PM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #21  
RobertS Says:

As i understand it, FGM is not a requirement of Islamic law, it is a cultural practice, while male circumcision is part of Islamic law.. I'm not an expert, but repeating what I had previously read elsewhere.

FGM is an Egyptian practice going back to the time of the early Pharaohs, long before the Exodus let alone the existence of Islam. In the parts of Africa where it's practiced it is found among Muslims, Christians and animinsts.

It is not practiced in most of the Muslim world. In fact, the only mention of it being permitted is a hadith which Islamic scholars consider to be "extremely unreliable", i.e. made up.

Male circumcision is required although it is not performed on infants. The timing varies according to local custom.

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 Aug 24, 2012 at 05:38 PM Queenbee Says:

Reply to #12  
ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

Please.........How can you compare? Do you know what Female genital mutilation entails? I do not wish to post details here and I don't think many people hear want to hear it anyway, it's that barbaric. Besides, the reason each one is done are at the opposite end of the spectrum....one is done with positive intentions, the other with intentions so negative that I so wish I hadn't read what it's all about.

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 Aug 25, 2012 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Sol Says:

It's not a joke. You really have to do it even by an ingrown toe nail.

My kids have had ingrown toe nails removed many times by different podiatrists and I doubt anyone of them ever heard of doing MBP on a toenail. (they were all jewish, but, not frum)

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 Aug 26, 2012 at 01:00 AM Anon Says:

Reply to #23  
Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

FGM is an Egyptian practice going back to the time of the early Pharaohs, long before the Exodus let alone the existence of Islam. In the parts of Africa where it's practiced it is found among Muslims, Christians and animinsts.

It is not practiced in most of the Muslim world. In fact, the only mention of it being permitted is a hadith which Islamic scholars consider to be "extremely unreliable", i.e. made up.

Male circumcision is required although it is not performed on infants. The timing varies according to local custom.

It was also practiced in the US in the nineteenth century. Its alleged purpose was, and remains in those cultures that practice it, to remove a woman's sexual desire to preserve virginity and promote chaste behavior. Only in a man's world would it be preferable to mutilate women than to have men simply exhibit self-control.

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 Aug 26, 2012 at 01:03 AM Anon Ibid Opcit Says:

Reply to #19  
Sol Says:

It's not a joke. You really have to do it even by an ingrown toe nail.

Even if the wound is septic and poses a risk to the person doing it?
Even if the physician has bleeding gums and AIDS or Ebola?
If you respond "Yes", you are condemning multitudes to death or disease
If you say "Of course not, that's dangerous", then you have just invalidated your argument against MBP as part of the bris.

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 Aug 26, 2012 at 03:33 AM hcmsc Says:

the "soft hearted" Germans who gassed, killed and maimed children want to outlaw bris or ear piercing?????? give us a break

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 Aug 26, 2012 at 05:46 AM NonniDev Says:

I am wondering what the point of the ChareidiMan's post is? Perhaps to garner negative attention? Chareidi, if you don't want to have your family in the fold, don't perform a bris and leave.

ChareidiMan Says:

I wonder how Jewish people would react to the some of the Muslim tradition of doing a Female genital mutilation. It has been called barbaric.

A bris, if not for the fact that we have to do it, can be called barbaric too, so besides for religions reasons, whats the difference?

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 Aug 26, 2012 at 11:16 AM Sol Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

My kids have had ingrown toe nails removed many times by different podiatrists and I doubt anyone of them ever heard of doing MBP on a toenail. (they were all jewish, but, not frum)

#27
But MbP is a part of the Bris, Thats why Yosef Hatazadik forced all the Mitzriyim to get themslves Maleh'd and do Metzitza B'peh. He used his Kishuf golden Becher to test the lips of the people whether the lips in-fact did the Metzitza on somebody.
Its part of Mitzvahs Miloh.

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