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Published on: September 22, 2012 10:28 PM
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FILE - In this Sunday, July 29, 2012 file photo, Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, left, meets with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, second left, at his office in Jerusalem.  It is a taboo for Israeli leaders to give even the slightest hint of favoritism in politics in the United States, Israel's closest ally. So some Israelis are squirming over a perception that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is siding with Republican Mitt Romney in the U.S. presidential race, in the belief he would take a harder line on archenemy Iran. That, some fear, is putting Israel’s alliance with Washington at risk if Barack Obama wins. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)Jerusalem - It is a taboo for Israeli leaders to give even the slightest hint of favoritism in politics in the United States, Israel’s closest ally. So some Israelis are squirming over a perception that their prime minister is siding with Republican Mitt Romney in the U.S. presidential race, in the belief he will take a harder line on archenemy Iran if elected.

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With President Barack Obama holding a narrow lead in opinion polls, Benjamin Netanyahu’s perceived strategy looks risky to Israelis who fear their alliance with the U.S. could be in trouble if the incumbent wins.

“If our prime minister doesn’t get along with their leader, it will hurt our relations,” said Shai Hugi, 20, a car rental clerk in Jerusalem. “The United States is Israel’s best ally, and it’s always good that you have a strong friend behind you.”

Netanyahu, convinced that Iran is close to developing nuclear weapons, says Tehran must be stopped. Claiming international diplomatic efforts and economic sanctions have failed, Netanyahu says the threat of force must be seriously considered. He has urged Obama to declare “red lines” that would trigger an American attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, coupling his appeals with veiled threats of a unilateral Israeli attack on Iran.

Obama has rejected these calls, saying diplomacy and U.S.-led sanctions must be given more time and that Iran will never be allowed to obtain nuclear weapons. At the same time, American officials have pressed Israel not to attack unilaterally, a move that could set off regional mayhem just ahead of the November election.

Netanyahu has not backed down. In a message directed at the White House, he recently said: “Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”

Israeli leaders have relied on broad bipartisan support in the U.S. for decades, but Netanyahu has had a rocky relationship with Obama, underscored by public differences over Iran. These agreements, coupled with his longstanding friendship with Romney, have created a perception that Netanyahu backs the Republicans.

“Whether or not it is true that he is actively taking sides . I don’t know,” said Alon Pinkas, Israel’s former consul-general in New York. “But the pattern of behavior clearly suggests this perception is founded in reality.”

Eytan Gilboa, an expert on U.S.-Israeli relations at Israel’s Bar-Ilan University, said Obama, if re-elected, may seek payback from the Israelis by pressuring Netanyahu to make new concessions to the Palestinians to overcome a deadlock seen as a key failure of the U.S. administration.

Gilboa also said support for Israel is increasingly being seen as a Republican, not bipartisan, issue in America. Recent polls have shown that Republican support for Israel is significantly higher than Democratic support, a reversal from 10 or 15 years ago.

In interviews on American television this week, the Israeli leader vociferously denied he is meddling in Obama’s reelection campaign and said he appreciated the importance of American support.

“God, I’m not going to be drawn into the American election,” Netanyahu told NBC television. “What’s guiding my statements is not the American political calendar, but the Iranian nuclear calendar.”

Ari Shavit, a columnist for Israel’s liberal Haaretz daily, accused Netanyahu of misreading the American political climate.

“Netanyahu not only argued with Obama, but turned himself into the declared enemy of many of Israel’s friends in the United States. He pushed himself into America’s extremist right corner - he pushed all of us into it,” he wrote.

Obama aides have sought to portray relations with Netanyahu as unshaken. But privately, American officials have grumbled about a perception that Netanyahu is telling Obama what to do.

When Netanyahu travels to New York this week, he likely won’t even see Obama. The U.S. president turned down a request for a meeting, citing scheduling issues. A subsequent phone conversation appears to have done little to ease tensions.

Differences between the men run deep.

Soon after Obama and Netanyahu both took office in early 2009, they clashed over Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Under American pressure, Netanyahu reluctantly agreed to slow down settlement construction for nine months in order to restart peace talks with the Palestinians. When the moratorium expired, Netanyahu refused Obama’s appeals to extend it, and a fresh round of peace talks quickly collapsed.

In one tense encounter, Netanyahu appeared to lecture Obama on the pitfalls of peacemaking as they sat in front of reporters in the Oval Office. During that same trip to Washington, Netanyahu was warmly welcomed in a speech to a joint session of Congress, sending a message that the Israeli leader maintained strong support on Capitol Hill.

The U.S.-educated Netanyahu thinks like a Republican on many key issues, whether it be his support for free-market capitalism and disdain for big government, or his security-first approach to foreign policy. Obama’s first major foreign policy act, reaching out to the Muslim world in a landmark speech in Cairo while failing to visit neighboring Israel, is still seen as an insult by many Israelis.

Netanyahu’s inner circle includes Ron Dermer, a former Republican activist in the U.S., and Sheldon Adelson, the American casino billionaire who has contributed tens of millions of dollars to the Republicans.

Netanyahu’s friendship with Romney goes back to the 1970s, when they worked together at a Boston investment firm. During the campaign, Romney has accused Obama of throwing Israel “under the bus.” And in comments to a closed fundraiser that were captured on videotape, Romney sounded as if he had received many of his talking points directly from Netanyahu as he listed reasons why peace between Israel and the Palestinians isn’t possible.

Few believe any damage in relations is irreversible, and officials in both countries say defense ties remain close. Pinkas, the former Israeli diplomat, said the Iranian nuclear program is so critical that the countries will find a way to work together. He suggested that Netanyahu move quickly in the coming months to repair his relationship with Obama, either through a face-to-face meeting or quiet “back channel” discussions.

Netanyahu is required to call new elections in the next year or so. Many analysts believe he will do so much sooner, perhaps by the end of the year. Standing strong in the face of American pressure would play well to his hardline Likud Party.

“Bibi is doing what he should be doing,” said Jerusalem bike shop owner Yitzchak Weiss, 66, referring to Netanyahu by his nickname. “I don’t think (Obama) will throw us into the sea. America is our strongest ally. He can never erase that.”

The radio in Weiss’ bike shop was tuned to a local Jerusalem station. As he spoke, a broadcaster announced: “Mitt Romney - let’s hope he wins.”



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 Sep 22, 2012 at 11:03 PM yoilykokosh Says:

I don't understand what else he can do. Obama is not backing him with anything. So he's trying his best. Even if Obama wins (חס ושלום) nothing will change for him as Obama is obviously pro Iran/Palestinian!!

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 12:02 AM teshuva movement Says:

of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek.

with this in mind, he has been asisiting all muslim countries behind Israel’s back & does not even stop iran from getting closer & closer to nuclear. Last time i remember recently when Israel told Obama they're heading to iran, obama replied the USA will not join & backup Israel.

its tragic that anyone would say that they look forward to this & await for it to come C”V. BUT When a son knows his parents or a Talmid his rebbe’s cheshbon, he never questions them, we had so many years to change our ways before the Melech Malchei Ha’melochim had to bring us to this situation Rachmana L’tzlan.

Halevei if anyone knew the other side of the story & Hashems Cheshbon why this is Happening & why obama is president, then you will not be surprised if obama wins for president another 4 years C”V

May we all do teshuva ASAP so this does not need to happen C”V

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 12:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
teshuva movement Says:

of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek.

with this in mind, he has been asisiting all muslim countries behind Israel’s back & does not even stop iran from getting closer & closer to nuclear. Last time i remember recently when Israel told Obama they're heading to iran, obama replied the USA will not join & backup Israel.

its tragic that anyone would say that they look forward to this & await for it to come C”V. BUT When a son knows his parents or a Talmid his rebbe’s cheshbon, he never questions them, we had so many years to change our ways before the Melech Malchei Ha’melochim had to bring us to this situation Rachmana L’tzlan.

Halevei if anyone knew the other side of the story & Hashems Cheshbon why this is Happening & why obama is president, then you will not be surprised if obama wins for president another 4 years C”V

May we all do teshuva ASAP so this does not need to happen C”V

Perhaps you should get help. We have some regular Obama haters here but normally, they manage to weave a thread of logic into their rants. When someone makes Mark Levin look like a balanced and objective poster, you've managed to achieve somthing quite significant. Gmar t'ov and a refuah shelamah.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 02:38 AM Honest questions Says:

Please forgive my ignorance but: Can Israel drop a nuclear weapon on Iran? What could happen then? Can Nuclear weapons be quantified to small areas like just to hit Irans nuclear facilities? What are the possible implications? What does Iran mean when it says that it wants to wipe Israel off the map? What has Israel ever done to Iran that it should want to attack it? Intelligent answers please.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 05:47 AM TexasJew Says:

My prediction remains- Israel attacks Iran after the Chagim and before the elections.
If Barack doesn't support Israel 100%, he will lose the elections.
From my mouth to Hashems ears (strength).
Ksivah v'kesimah Tovah.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 06:55 AM victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 07:54 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

Perhaps you should get help. We have some regular Obama haters here but normally, they manage to weave a thread of logic into their rants. When someone makes Mark Levin look like a balanced and objective poster, you've managed to achieve somthing quite significant. Gmar t'ov and a refuah shelamah.

A g'mar tov to you hatred I learned in concentratin camp is illogical to the extent of self-destruction and the Nazis proved it, The President'sm Chief of Staff is a shomer shabbes and a brilliant economist. Recently a widely circulated German weekly reported that Mr.l Natanyahu owns 3 Audis, 1 is not enough. Yes, Hitler ymsh had it wrong had he forgone antisemtism some Jews would be have been his followers. Sad before we say al cheyt

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 08:13 AM Ovadia Says:

To #2- Your comments are off the wall. While it is true that Obama and Netanyahu can't stand each other, the same does not hold true for Obama and the people of Israel. Even Ehud Barak has stated that the defense cooperation between EY and the USA is the best that it has ever been. When Israeli diplomats and security staff were trapped inside the Israeli Embassy in Cairo several months ago, and a mob broke in, Obama intervened and had the Egyptian authorities gain control of the Embassy, saving the Israelis. Even the Israeli diplomats who were trapped, acknowledged that fact. Also, American economic and military aid, continues unabated to EY, despite differences between Netanyahu and Obama. Unfortunately, after Nov. 6th, when Obama is reelected, the lasting damage between Netanyahu and Obaba on a personal level, will be extremely difficult to repair!

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 08:38 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #8  
Ovadia Says:

To #2- Your comments are off the wall. While it is true that Obama and Netanyahu can't stand each other, the same does not hold true for Obama and the people of Israel. Even Ehud Barak has stated that the defense cooperation between EY and the USA is the best that it has ever been. When Israeli diplomats and security staff were trapped inside the Israeli Embassy in Cairo several months ago, and a mob broke in, Obama intervened and had the Egyptian authorities gain control of the Embassy, saving the Israelis. Even the Israeli diplomats who were trapped, acknowledged that fact. Also, American economic and military aid, continues unabated to EY, despite differences between Netanyahu and Obama. Unfortunately, after Nov. 6th, when Obama is reelected, the lasting damage between Netanyahu and Obaba on a personal level, will be extremely difficult to repair!

Even Mr.Oren the ambassador in Washington has made the remarks as you. Eyze chochom haroye eyz haneuled. I was taught that by my father A'H in Vienna

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 08:47 AM qazxc Says:

Reply to #2  
teshuva movement Says:

of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek.

with this in mind, he has been asisiting all muslim countries behind Israel’s back & does not even stop iran from getting closer & closer to nuclear. Last time i remember recently when Israel told Obama they're heading to iran, obama replied the USA will not join & backup Israel.

its tragic that anyone would say that they look forward to this & await for it to come C”V. BUT When a son knows his parents or a Talmid his rebbe’s cheshbon, he never questions them, we had so many years to change our ways before the Melech Malchei Ha’melochim had to bring us to this situation Rachmana L’tzlan.

Halevei if anyone knew the other side of the story & Hashems Cheshbon why this is Happening & why obama is president, then you will not be surprised if obama wins for president another 4 years C”V

May we all do teshuva ASAP so this does not need to happen C”V

Not liking Bibi does not make Obama an anti Semite.

In fact, it makes him a little more like most Israelis.

In a two party system such as ours, Bibi would be a congressman, at most.

He is distrusted my the majority of Israelis.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 08:53 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #6  
victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

I went through 7 years of Hitler of which 4 years of concentration camp. Germany never had a Washington, Franklin or Jefferson. Germany had a military which was itching for revenge of Versailles. It had Krupp, Thyssen and Opel waiting for Hitler's promise of revenge and Churches which sowed nothing but hatred against Jews. America recently complained against a Hungarian antisemtic website. It is financed in America probably some John Birch followers in Suthern California. It those "consrvatives" who would stir up the hatred against Jews and Jews are too dumb to realize it. Learn or read history

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 09:11 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #6  
victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

In Sept. 1942 the Lodz Ghetto had a Sperre[check on the internet]I was there and it was blue eyed blond SS Einsatzgruppen which rounded up Jews. It was Henry Ford who hated Jews and Lindberg and it was a wall street law firm Oliver and Cromwell who was pro-Nazi ,Jews were beaten by blue eyed blond SS

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 09:58 AM Poetic Justice Says:

Reply to #6  
victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

Poetic Justice perhaps, the state of israel which was founded on the slogan "never again" became the culprit of such thoughts by some, as a "Holocaust in America" israel by concentrating and isolating millions of jews in one place, became the source of anxiety for worldwide jews! By making israel a target of sorts, what a twist of fait, who where our visionaries! Who thought such a scenario would the solution to "never again"?

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:04 AM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #4  
Honest questions Says:

Please forgive my ignorance but: Can Israel drop a nuclear weapon on Iran? What could happen then? Can Nuclear weapons be quantified to small areas like just to hit Irans nuclear facilities? What are the possible implications? What does Iran mean when it says that it wants to wipe Israel off the map? What has Israel ever done to Iran that it should want to attack it? Intelligent answers please.

"Can Israel drop a nuclear weapon on Iran?" Of course it can. That is why they built it in Dimona. They have 200 of them. The Usa dropped it on Japan even when Japan didnt threaten the entire country, They started a war in Hiroshima ant we nuked them. What we do know is that when Israel feels threatened It will distroy its enemy, Nucklear reactor in Osirak,Iraq, Syria etc. Lets leave it to them what bobmbs to use. Regular, Bunker busting shipped by the Obama Administration, or nuclear. One thing is sure. It will not be preanounced in the USA newspapers or in Florida Billboards, that was a chip shot from Bibi.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:08 AM Howard Says:

Reply to #6  
victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

The problem with Jews who make analogies between Nazi Germany and America is that they usually have no inkling of world history other than what some lamdan (who knew little himself) told them in cheder. America has a 200-plus history of democracy, and if anything it has become more democratic, tolerant and diversified in recent decades. It also has a mixed population of races, religions and nationalities, unlike Germany, which had no tradition of democracy and whose populace was hardly the polyglot mix we have in America. Of course, many in the charedi/yeshivish community believe that every non-Jew instinctively hates non-Jews (yanking the verse about Eisav sinah l'Yaakov completely out of context to "prove" their claim), so for them every non-Jew is a Nazi just waiting to happen. And no amount of reason will convince such ignorant, closed-minded fanatics.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
TexasJew Says:

My prediction remains- Israel attacks Iran after the Chagim and before the elections.
If Barack doesn't support Israel 100%, he will lose the elections.
From my mouth to Hashems ears (strength).
Ksivah v'kesimah Tovah.

OK i am with you, Barack will 100% support Israel unlike the Republican Administration who strongly condemned Israel with the UN when they bombed Osirak in Iraq. Remember Barack Hussein Obama is the one approveed the bunker busting bombs to Israel. What do you think they needed it for? And Why did Obama approve it if he is aganst it?

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
victorg Says:

Any American who thinks a Jewish Holocaust in America is unthinkable, needs to read the history of Germany from 1933 on. All it takes is 1 rabble rouser like hitler, and a popular anti-jewish sentiment.

Between Madoff, Dwek, and all the "rich Jews" on Wall street, and with Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt etc being controlled by Islamics, and a clear sentiment in the Obama government that the poor Palestinians are being oppressed in Gaza, it is only a matter of time before the US moves to end all of the fighting by siding with the vocal majority of islamist states in the mid east.

We are at the dawn of another Holocaust and any Jew or noachide who votes for Obama is tantamount to firing up an oven for our own extermination.

Hashem yishmor alenu.

"Jewish Holocaust in USA" If i remember correctly Hitler was White not Black or Muslim besides all neonazis in USA are Republicans. So use your brain when you vote not your hatred against blacks who were oppressed with us Yidden for so long.If you are old enough you can still remember in the USA white racist signs No Blacks Jews. That is exactly why 75% of yidden vote Democrat

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:18 AM Kzler Says:

Reply to #8  
Ovadia Says:

To #2- Your comments are off the wall. While it is true that Obama and Netanyahu can't stand each other, the same does not hold true for Obama and the people of Israel. Even Ehud Barak has stated that the defense cooperation between EY and the USA is the best that it has ever been. When Israeli diplomats and security staff were trapped inside the Israeli Embassy in Cairo several months ago, and a mob broke in, Obama intervened and had the Egyptian authorities gain control of the Embassy, saving the Israelis. Even the Israeli diplomats who were trapped, acknowledged that fact. Also, American economic and military aid, continues unabated to EY, despite differences between Netanyahu and Obama. Unfortunately, after Nov. 6th, when Obama is reelected, the lasting damage between Netanyahu and Obaba on a personal level, will be extremely difficult to repair!

Ovadia you are drop of sanity among insanity

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 10:45 AM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #2  
teshuva movement Says:

of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek.

with this in mind, he has been asisiting all muslim countries behind Israel’s back & does not even stop iran from getting closer & closer to nuclear. Last time i remember recently when Israel told Obama they're heading to iran, obama replied the USA will not join & backup Israel.

its tragic that anyone would say that they look forward to this & await for it to come C”V. BUT When a son knows his parents or a Talmid his rebbe’s cheshbon, he never questions them, we had so many years to change our ways before the Melech Malchei Ha’melochim had to bring us to this situation Rachmana L’tzlan.

Halevei if anyone knew the other side of the story & Hashems Cheshbon why this is Happening & why obama is president, then you will not be surprised if obama wins for president another 4 years C”V

May we all do teshuva ASAP so this does not need to happen C”V

" Why this is happening & why Obama is President?" All this is happening because the KDB'H wants it this way. Obama is the President to protect the Yidden all over the world and most imortantly Eretz Yisroel. He is the first Amereican President saying it openly in Cairo/Egypt the biggest arab country that USA/israel friendship is unbreakable and the yidden have the right to Eretz Yosroel forever. His main Advisors not one but most are Yidden, and he will with Hashem help protect our interest in USA, low taxes for the working/middle class, Foodstamps for the poor, Section 8 for Kollel learners(and some not learners) Health Insurance for who cant afford it etc.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 11:36 AM Poetic Justice Says:

Reply to #15  
Howard Says:

The problem with Jews who make analogies between Nazi Germany and America is that they usually have no inkling of world history other than what some lamdan (who knew little himself) told them in cheder. America has a 200-plus history of democracy, and if anything it has become more democratic, tolerant and diversified in recent decades. It also has a mixed population of races, religions and nationalities, unlike Germany, which had no tradition of democracy and whose populace was hardly the polyglot mix we have in America. Of course, many in the charedi/yeshivish community believe that every non-Jew instinctively hates non-Jews (yanking the verse about Eisav sinah l'Yaakov completely out of context to "prove" their claim), so for them every non-Jew is a Nazi just waiting to happen. And no amount of reason will convince such ignorant, closed-minded fanatics.

I'm glad you state your knowledge of "world history" and of "American democracy" perhaps just a as a reminder... For many years while WWII was going on, America contemplating and preparing for war, millions of Jews got incinerated and killed because Democratic America wasn't ready... to intervene, and was looking for the broader picture of winning the "war"!. Could you see a scenario that while America of today is so deeply involved winning The middle east countries do democracy while keeping an eye on Russia and China, that little israel may be just a hindrance to that broad picture of real world politics!? Just like other world hot spots where genocide is going on under the nose of American world dominance, not to say America doesn’t care, but may just look or blink the other way for what ever reason justified or not?

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 11:57 AM victorg Says:

All it takes is one charismatic politician to rile the masses and become democratically elected.

Why should it be any difference from the Arab spring "democracy" occurring in the Mideast.

Nothing to do with being anti black (where did anyone get that idea in my post?). Obama, Clinton, they love jews but they internally favor Palestinians.

America is an antisemitic powder keg

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 12:01 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #20  
Poetic Justice Says:

I'm glad you state your knowledge of "world history" and of "American democracy" perhaps just a as a reminder... For many years while WWII was going on, America contemplating and preparing for war, millions of Jews got incinerated and killed because Democratic America wasn't ready... to intervene, and was looking for the broader picture of winning the "war"!. Could you see a scenario that while America of today is so deeply involved winning The middle east countries do democracy while keeping an eye on Russia and China, that little israel may be just a hindrance to that broad picture of real world politics!? Just like other world hot spots where genocide is going on under the nose of American world dominance, not to say America doesn’t care, but may just look or blink the other way for what ever reason justified or not?

"Could you see a scenario that while america involved democracy etc. " Ok and what happens to the 200+ atom bombs we have in Dimona? I am sure Ben Gurion built them for the same reason you mentioned. Biilboards by Bibi/Adelson Cassino billions for sure will not make America more pro yewish/Israel

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 12:59 PM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #2  
teshuva movement Says:

of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek.

with this in mind, he has been asisiting all muslim countries behind Israel’s back & does not even stop iran from getting closer & closer to nuclear. Last time i remember recently when Israel told Obama they're heading to iran, obama replied the USA will not join & backup Israel.

its tragic that anyone would say that they look forward to this & await for it to come C”V. BUT When a son knows his parents or a Talmid his rebbe’s cheshbon, he never questions them, we had so many years to change our ways before the Melech Malchei Ha’melochim had to bring us to this situation Rachmana L’tzlan.

Halevei if anyone knew the other side of the story & Hashems Cheshbon why this is Happening & why obama is president, then you will not be surprised if obama wins for president another 4 years C”V

May we all do teshuva ASAP so this does not need to happen C”V

"of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek."

You left out that he was born in Kenya, Gomer. Tell me, does the term delusional have a special significance for you?

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 01:29 PM Buchwalter Says:

Reply to #15  
Howard Says:

The problem with Jews who make analogies between Nazi Germany and America is that they usually have no inkling of world history other than what some lamdan (who knew little himself) told them in cheder. America has a 200-plus history of democracy, and if anything it has become more democratic, tolerant and diversified in recent decades. It also has a mixed population of races, religions and nationalities, unlike Germany, which had no tradition of democracy and whose populace was hardly the polyglot mix we have in America. Of course, many in the charedi/yeshivish community believe that every non-Jew instinctively hates non-Jews (yanking the verse about Eisav sinah l'Yaakov completely out of context to "prove" their claim), so for them every non-Jew is a Nazi just waiting to happen. And no amount of reason will convince such ignorant, closed-minded fanatics.

I had other choices after my liberation my choice wasd not the goldene medina but the soldiers of U.S. 3rd Army who liberated Buchenwald, the finest of the finest, Jews and non-Jews. Yes George Washington was a 23 rd degree mason and Franklin and Jefferson were deists not Catholics or born-again Christians. The flyers who flew over in the B 25 were "yeshivishe" boys and I said before Oliver&Cromwell; hated Jews with a passion. On their Allen and Foster Dulles

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 02:07 PM Buchwalter Says:

Reply to #23  
bewhiskered Says:

"of course Obama hates netanyahu & Israel, He is A muslim & they believe they have a mitzva to destroy jews just like we have a mitzva to destroy amalek."

You left out that he was born in Kenya, Gomer. Tell me, does the term delusional have a special significance for you?

Yes it stays for or is the synonym for bewhiskered

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 02:24 PM Poetic Justice Says:

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ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Could you see a scenario that while america involved democracy etc. " Ok and what happens to the 200+ atom bombs we have in Dimona? I am sure Ben Gurion built them for the same reason you mentioned. Biilboards by Bibi/Adelson Cassino billions for sure will not make America more pro yewish/Israel

Are you naive? 200 + bombs is nothing more than powder keg, which can be destroyed in their silos, or trigger a retaliation of a none precedence magnitude, if being used without the permission of the superpowers! not to mention of todays dirty bombs, and weapons of mass destruction, which any banana republic can activate! And which of iran is certainly capable of, God forbid.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 04:43 PM anelson Says:

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Anonymous Says:

OK i am with you, Barack will 100% support Israel unlike the Republican Administration who strongly condemned Israel with the UN when they bombed Osirak in Iraq. Remember Barack Hussein Obama is the one approveed the bunker busting bombs to Israel. What do you think they needed it for? And Why did Obama approve it if he is aganst it?

approved by Bush in 2008

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 05:06 PM Nachum Says:

To #14- I think that you need a lesson in history. You stated that "Japan was not threatening the USA", yet they were nuked. What you failed to mention is that Japan held thousands of Allied POW's, who were near death, because of starvation, and that Japan routinely perpetrated atrocities against the civilian populations of the Phillipines, Korea, and China, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. You also failed to mention that Japan refused to surrender, and would have fought to the last person, resulting in an additional 1,000,000 American casualties, in an invasion of Japan, if they were not nuked. Even after two atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese refused to surrender for a week, and during that period were still attacking our naval ships, and perpetrating other atrocities against our POW's. After 67 years, Japan still refuses to acknowledge the horrors that it perpetrated on civilians, including forcing men, women, and children onto the deck of a submarine, while the sub dove into shark infested waters!

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 06:22 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #28  
Nachum Says:

To #14- I think that you need a lesson in history. You stated that "Japan was not threatening the USA", yet they were nuked. What you failed to mention is that Japan held thousands of Allied POW's, who were near death, because of starvation, and that Japan routinely perpetrated atrocities against the civilian populations of the Phillipines, Korea, and China, resulting in hundreds of thousands of deaths. You also failed to mention that Japan refused to surrender, and would have fought to the last person, resulting in an additional 1,000,000 American casualties, in an invasion of Japan, if they were not nuked. Even after two atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese refused to surrender for a week, and during that period were still attacking our naval ships, and perpetrating other atrocities against our POW's. After 67 years, Japan still refuses to acknowledge the horrors that it perpetrated on civilians, including forcing men, women, and children onto the deck of a submarine, while the sub dove into shark infested waters!

OK I stand corrected, the Japanese are not Mother Theresa but they never been a threat to the existence of the USA. Iran does it daily. The point is we have the bombs,planes,missiles,atombombs etc if if and when we feel it will be needed.We have done it before without Billboards in Fla.It is a cheap-shot to meddle in USA election.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Poetic Justice Says:

Are you naive? 200 + bombs is nothing more than powder keg, which can be destroyed in their silos, or trigger a retaliation of a none precedence magnitude, if being used without the permission of the superpowers! not to mention of todays dirty bombs, and weapons of mass destruction, which any banana republic can activate! And which of iran is certainly capable of, God forbid.

You are very naive if you think "any banana republic can activate weapons of mass destruction" Osama Bin Laden and Co would have done it if they could have. They are gone now. The only reason there is no moro suicide bombings because theyB"H can not , not because they dont want.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 07:41 PM qazxc Says:

Reply to #27  
anelson Says:

approved by Bush in 2008

Approved but not delivered.

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 Sep 23, 2012 at 09:06 PM {Ploni Says:

Reply to #14  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Can Israel drop a nuclear weapon on Iran?" Of course it can. That is why they built it in Dimona. They have 200 of them. The Usa dropped it on Japan even when Japan didnt threaten the entire country, They started a war in Hiroshima ant we nuked them. What we do know is that when Israel feels threatened It will distroy its enemy, Nucklear reactor in Osirak,Iraq, Syria etc. Lets leave it to them what bobmbs to use. Regular, Bunker busting shipped by the Obama Administration, or nuclear. One thing is sure. It will not be preanounced in the USA newspapers or in Florida Billboards, that was a chip shot from Bibi.

" They started a war in Hiroshima ant we nuked them."

Oy, ayinglefunadorf #14, if only your knowledge of history was as good as your ignorance of basic facts.

The Japanese started a war at ***PEARL HARBOR***, and not as you have told us.

BTW, that was mighty white of you to allow the Israelis to decide for themselves what bombs to use. American armchair generals such as you usually dictate those things to the IDF leadership as if it was their right to do so.

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