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Talk-radio host Zev Brenner poses with Brooklyn DA Charles Hynes after an Interview Dec. 4 2012New York - In an audio interview obtained by VIN News, to be aired on Zev Brenner’s Talkline program tonight, Brooklyn District Attorney Charles Hynes makes the unprecedented move of taking the Satmar Rebbe to task for his recent comments on the Weberman case, calling the Rebbe’s words “inappropriate.”

According to reports that have been circulating for the past few days, which were also quoted today in the New York Post, the Satmar Grand Rebbe, Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum, seemed to be voicing his disapproval for the victim at a fundraiser this past weekend.

Hynes expressed his disappointment at the Rebbe’s words, describing the Rebbe as a prominent religious leader, and urged the Satmar Rebbe to avoid statements of this kind in the future.

“If he had paid any attention to the objective reporting that was found in the daily newspapers and the facts on the table he would not have come to that conclusion,” said Hynes.

Hynes praised the leadership of the Crown Heights community for issuing a ruling stating that in cases of child molestation, everyone has an obligation to come forward and report the abuse and expressed his frustration that leaders in Williamsburg have not followed suit.

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“It is just not right to shun someone who has been sexually violated,” declared Hynes. “There should be support for the victims, not the defendants.”

DA Hynes also added that three of the four men who were arrested last week for photographing the victim while she was testifying on the witness stand will be prosecuted to fullest extent of the law for judicial contempt, a misdemeanor.  If convicted, each of the three men could be facing a one year jail term.

You can listen to the full 16 min. interview below:

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't believe everything you read.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weberman is the victim here, a victim of being falsely accused of a crime he did not commit by a vengeful girl. She should have all of the onesh of an eid zomem because by making up these stories she is putting real victims in danger, because real abusers can say they were framed just as she is framing Rabbi Weberman.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:25 PM ALTERG Says:

What's going on here? Aren't in the USA a law freedom of speach? Thanks satmar rabba for being the first one to come out & not be afraid this means a REAL leader

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:31 PM rikki Says:

It's always preposterous to make assumptions and comments when you haven't heard both sides of a story. It can come back to bite you....real hard!!!! it's hard to admit that a huge mistake was made. If the Satmar community would have just let the case be tried without all this hoopla, there wouldn't be such negative publicity for them on top of this horrible crime.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:50 PM lalakishkish Says:

What's going on here?????? Isn't it that "innocent until proven guilty"??? Isn't the first right of a person in the USA to express what he feels to???? This going over the boarder line!!! Whether Weberman is guilty or not NO ONE of us know! So what is this jumping to conclusions???

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:49 PM ChareidiMan Says:

Reply to #3  
ALTERG Says:

What's going on here? Aren't in the USA a law freedom of speach? Thanks satmar rabba for being the first one to come out & not be afraid this means a REAL leader

And how exactly is he a real leader if he does not know the facts? Lets say weberman is innocent for now, did he ever speak with the girl to hear her side of the story? does she not deserved to be heard?

Interesting point: Ask anyone in Satmar if there is abuse, they will tell you of course it happened but not him, and they say this every time there is a story on the streets. So please enlighten me, when IS IT happeneing?

Are you telling me that there is no intimidation by us? i am sure even Satmar Rabbi wants to get rid of the "real" molesters, how is he going to get it done after staements like this? Who will come forward now? or does he not want the "real" victims to come forward?

Do you see the slippery slope here, do you see why the community is taking a beating in the media? do you see a pattern?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:46 PM Moshe10 Says:

Go ahead Charles Hynes keep up the good work of putting the criminals and there sporters in jail.
The once who try keep in under the rugs are responsible for the Chulul Hsem

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:07 PM PowerUp Says:

right, only the post is allowed to call rabbi weberman creep and perv. and thats totally allowed, shame on you dr. hynes, sina mkalkeles es hashira

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:06 PM Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

It's my understanding - that this case differs from the majority of cases as Mr. Weberman has a clean record with no other people coming forward. Innocent until proven guilty should be the motto. Also, #6 - she didn't come to complain to the Rabbi so why should he need to listen to her side?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:05 PM Yossi10952 Says:

what i really don't understand is how can anyone in the world say what happened here?? not on the good side and not on the bad side!!
Anyone who takes a side here has no clue how wrong he can do if he protects the accuser can hurt the abuser so badly and the other way around!!
so everyone please shut up!! and wait till the verdict and then start talking!! including the big rabbi!!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:03 PM Rabbi_CS Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weberman is the victim here, a victim of being falsely accused of a crime he did not commit by a vengeful girl. She should have all of the onesh of an eid zomem because by making up these stories she is putting real victims in danger, because real abusers can say they were framed just as she is framing Rabbi Weberman.

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:01 PM totally confused Says:

If those youngster(bumas) out-there are allowed to run around and bash and bashmitz the hassidic community,why aren't we allowed to say what ever we want???is this fair ?
As bad people

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:01 PM enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:58 PM shlomogabai Says:

Reply to #4  
rikki Says:

It's always preposterous to make assumptions and comments when you haven't heard both sides of a story. It can come back to bite you....real hard!!!! it's hard to admit that a huge mistake was made. If the Satmar community would have just let the case be tried without all this hoopla, there wouldn't be such negative publicity for them on top of this horrible crime.

Do you really trust the court? I dont anymore! and I bet you many more people don't trust it either! The fact is, there are many people who whenever someone is accused of something, (that's not convicted), they "know" he's guilty. Listen here, I do know people who know both sides personally and he says its false. Now I dread the pain and suffering a victim suffers, but that doesn't mean that I would run to judge it did happen just cause someone cries victim! There is no evidence, only his word against hers. I implore you to fit this into the definition of "innocent until proven guilty", (except if a verbal statement by a single person (who is obviously looking for revenge, question is if for molestation, or other reason), is enough to be considered "proven guilty".

Now, horrible crime, If it were your son, daughter who has been accused, would you throw him for the wolves? now if you really truly believe in his innocense, would you still call it a horrible crime? Now if the ag is intent on "teaching these jews", would that justify it any more? (he is actually my brother, by faith).

Disgusting ag tries quieting peoples opinions! that's against the constitution! Public shmub

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Don't believe everything you read.

Yes but do believe everything you are told by our people! Real bright idea, and you will go far with this attitude. Are we really this dumb?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Objective reporting in the Media?

What a joke. Next he will say there is objective reporting on the blogs.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 04:55 PM Sherree Says:

If you want to compare the situation to the Parsha as he began to, then lets do so. Dina, the daughter of Yakov and Leah, our Holy Avos and Imahos, was raped by Shchem. Who witnessed that? Her word was good enough and her brothers avenged her not only by killing her abuser but by wiping out ALL the males of her community!!! Shimon and Levi were heroes, they got rewarded for defending their sister's honor!!! That is the story of the parsha!!!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
lalakishkish Says:

What's going on here?????? Isn't it that "innocent until proven guilty"??? Isn't the first right of a person in the USA to express what he feels to???? This going over the boarder line!!! Whether Weberman is guilty or not NO ONE of us know! So what is this jumping to conclusions???

Lalakishkish, the crime of witness intimidation is by its very definition when the perpetrator is on trial and therefore is" innocent until proven guilty"

Once the guy is convicted, or found not guilty, witness intimidation no longer is in play.

Therefore, unless the crime of witness intimidation is decriminalized, every single case of witness intimidation would be when "a person in the USA expresses what he feels" about a guy who is "innocent until proven guilty"

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:12 PM Williamsburger Says:

Why and how do you know Weberman is innocent? I can't say 100% about this case, but ask everyone who takes care of these issues. Therapists, rabbonim and more. There were A LOT of complaints against him but no one dared come out. How could they ?? Everyone says that more people should come fwd. REally?? With all this intimidation? With everyone assuming hes innocent just cause he looks like an erliche person?
WAKE UP. Not everyone who looks frum and pious really is. I know this from very painful personal experience. Not everyone can take their abuser to task for various reasons. It takes extreme courage to. Especially with the backlash from the community.
I have also personally spoken to more of his victims. There are a lot of people like me in the community who know the truth and its so painful and hurtful hearing everyone deny it. Especially a leader. HOw could he? Did he listen to her part of the story? Did he try to get evidence? Lots of victims would come fwd and anonymously tell him what happened. If he would want to hear. I can arrange it. Many others can. Some have tried to come fwd and nothing is being done to help.
Dont be stupid an do some research!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:13 PM yossi10952 Says:

Reply to #9  
Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

It's my understanding - that this case differs from the majority of cases as Mr. Weberman has a clean record with no other people coming forward. Innocent until proven guilty should be the motto. Also, #6 - she didn't come to complain to the Rabbi so why should he need to listen to her side?

after being intimidated i don't think anyone else will have the guts to come forward!!
look what happened to this family they made their life miserable without knowing anything because no one in the world really knows besides god and those 2 ppl

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:14 PM joana Says:

As someone who has been victimized badly in the community, I must say that this story is a situation that may just backfire and do the opposite that should be accomplished.
We all know about molesters in the community going around freely.
Taking this case on Weberman as an example for the community is just giving the real molesters a freeway.
There are so much external facts in this case that it’s very hard to believe that this is not a setup.
Look at her youth, her first boy friend, her second boyfriends arrest in Rodney, her father’s business fight, the other let go cases from the DA’s office, there protests, Rosenberg’s hotline, the press against Heinz etc……
The motive seems different here then a true abuse case.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:14 PM THE TRUTH ! Says:

I WAS THERE! All that the Satmar Rebbe said was that it's a very painful situation and a shameful chilul hashem and he did not give right to any side at all, I don't understand the stupidity of DA Hynes for taking some crap from enemies of the rebbe to blackmail him with this false accusations when all he said was that it's a painful story that is a terrible chilul hashem a disgrace to gods name. Isn't he correct? "DA HYNES YOU OWE AN APOLOGY TO THE SATMAR REBBE" As an experienced DA you should have better brains to understand that you are being used by the zalmonites for political reasons to blackmail the satmar rebbe with false accusations. I WAS THERE AND IT'S ALSO ON TAPE! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WHAT HE SAID! PERIOD!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:20 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weberman is the victim here, a victim of being falsely accused of a crime he did not commit by a vengeful girl. She should have all of the onesh of an eid zomem because by making up these stories she is putting real victims in danger, because real abusers can say they were framed just as she is framing Rabbi Weberman.

For starters, let me ask you why you refer to Webershmutz as Rabbi, from where does he get the right to have that title? Does he have smicha? Is he a Rebbe in yeshiva. For that matter does he even have a chavrusa? How about zman kavua l'itim?

The defense attorney verified the fact that he had Yichud with the victim. Do you know what that means, that means that his own attorney proved to the court that he had Yichud with the girl in question. Do you still want to call him "Rabbi"?

He sat "thisclose" to his bare armed attorney who's dress was lets say to be polite, short and low cut, oh yes and tight, and her hair was wild and tousled. Oh did I mention, for hours, while he had the option of asking the male attorney to sit next to him instead. And by the way, while his wife and son sat behind him. Is that how the head of the Modesty Police behaves? Do you still want to refer to him as "Rabbi"

His attorney proved in court that HE is a "moser" because he forced the girl's father to accompany him to where the girl met her boyfriend "the love of her life" and videotape them and then went to the DA with the tape to prosecute the boy. "Rabbi" feh!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:28 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #5  
lalakishkish Says:

What's going on here?????? Isn't it that "innocent until proven guilty"??? Isn't the first right of a person in the USA to express what he feels to???? This going over the boarder line!!! Whether Weberman is guilty or not NO ONE of us know! So what is this jumping to conclusions???

Why do you say NO ONE of us know? If you speak to the victim then you know! If you speak to more than one victim then you know even more. If you sit in court and hear the testimony, there is no question at all. If you see a man who pretends or presents himself to be a pious man and ignores the issur of Yichud, you cannot trust him or anything he says. He is a phony and totally untrustworthy! His own attorney proved to the court that he was oiver the issur of Yichud.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

Did i actually just read this comment or am i hallucinating??? Satmer people have no molesters? Huh?? Its like saying satmer people have no cancer patients! Holy people? What exactly makes them holy? The fact that the wives shave their hair yet the men see no wrong in spending their nights at a spa?? Or the fact that the whole chassidus is based on machlokes? What part of this is holy? I really hope your comment was sarcastic!!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Ayin_Tachas_Ayin Says:

It's my understanding - that this case differs from the majority of cases as Mr. Weberman has a clean record with no other people coming forward. Innocent until proven guilty should be the motto. Also, #6 - she didn't come to complain to the Rabbi so why should he need to listen to her side?

It all comes down to Education.

Like it or not, the court system is jam packed with yiddishe cases, including sex, fraud, civil and maney other felonies. It all starts with our children not getting an ecucation and then growing up to be all lost which leads into a life of crime.

We cannot survive todays life without an education, and your average guy must do crime ( food stamps, section 8, off the books, etc.) to survive. By changing the system and bringing in REAL education & high-school-grade teachings in the yeshivas, our lives will be better on so many levels, and at the same time people will have more confidence and be educated on how to handle themselves.

Most people i speak to, agree with me, yet are to powerless to change the system, and thats why it is a vicios cycle again and again!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:34 PM chaim14 Says:

As sad as the crime in question is, and whether the accused did anything wrong at all still remains to be seen, let's bear in mind that hilchos lashon hara l'toeles only allows when the punishment is in accordance with the Torah, not if it is worse. My Torah only entitles the girl to money (and to be married to this fellow, if she/her father choose). Getting even a guilty man (which he may or not be) thrown into prison is not so simple. Unless someone is accusing him of being a rodef, what is the heter to go to the police?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:46 PM BLONDI Says:

Reply to #13  
enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

so i guess if ch'v one of your daughters or grand=daughters, or even son or grandsons would come to you, you would just say, you want "attention'? good luck to your family.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:53 PM Yossi Says:

Tonight Kuf Alef Kislef is the day when the Satmere rebbes usually give their State of the Union speech...I am sure Reb Aron will definite talk about what he meant motzei shabbos when he gave his speech in KJ.
Ren Aron and any other rabunim are NOT looking for any confortation with Charles Hynes and i am sure he will defend his position..Meanwhile lets sit tight and hear his defense...The Rebbe was not afraid on Bloomie when it came to Metzitze Bepeh and he wasnt intimidated when all gedoyle hador tried to convince him to join in Citifield.
He has his Das Torah and when he speaks he talks to HIS people.
His speeches dosent condem Charles Hynes office and dosent defend any molesters.
This case is a tragedy for Klal Yisroel and especially for Satmar (both sides of satmar)...The media is having a ball by bashing Orthodox jews and i am sure this chilil hashem could of been avoided if the Yeshivas would of had a stricter supervision HOW and WHO give therapy to troubled kids in their school systems.
I think the gedoyle Hador should make a Yoim Tefillah and maybe half day Tanis or Pidyen Nefesh for this terrible horrible chilil hashem .......

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:56 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #14  
shlomogabai Says:

Do you really trust the court? I dont anymore! and I bet you many more people don't trust it either! The fact is, there are many people who whenever someone is accused of something, (that's not convicted), they "know" he's guilty. Listen here, I do know people who know both sides personally and he says its false. Now I dread the pain and suffering a victim suffers, but that doesn't mean that I would run to judge it did happen just cause someone cries victim! There is no evidence, only his word against hers. I implore you to fit this into the definition of "innocent until proven guilty", (except if a verbal statement by a single person (who is obviously looking for revenge, question is if for molestation, or other reason), is enough to be considered "proven guilty".

Now, horrible crime, If it were your son, daughter who has been accused, would you throw him for the wolves? now if you really truly believe in his innocense, would you still call it a horrible crime? Now if the ag is intent on "teaching these jews", would that justify it any more? (he is actually my brother, by faith).

Disgusting ag tries quieting peoples opinions! that's against the constitution! Public shmub

Lets put it this way, after hearing the testimony in court, would you allow him to take YOUR child for a ride in the country????? I will said it again. Once a Chassidic, Frum, Orthodox man is oiver the issur of Yichud and Moiser he can't be trusted. I don't understand why anyone would believe even one word that he says once that is established.

On the other hand, why would anyone, especially a young girl who B"H is married, and found the TRUE "love of her life" put herself, her husband, her and his family through all of this, if it weren't true? Why would her family sit in court and support her? Why would her cousins, aunts, uncles, friends come to court in support of her. Why would they all risk recriminations from the Rebbe and community?? It makes no sense at all unless she is telling the truth! It is so painful for the entire family to listen to 4 days of grueling and graphic testimony. In all honesty, who is there to support Webershmutz? It is so easy to write a check, but who shows their face in support of him? No one wants to be connected to that scum bag because they know she is telling the truth.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:58 PM SatmarGuy Says:

Reply to #17  
Sherree Says:

If you want to compare the situation to the Parsha as he began to, then lets do so. Dina, the daughter of Yakov and Leah, our Holy Avos and Imahos, was raped by Shchem. Who witnessed that? Her word was good enough and her brothers avenged her not only by killing her abuser but by wiping out ALL the males of her community!!! Shimon and Levi were heroes, they got rewarded for defending their sister's honor!!! That is the story of the parsha!!!

i guess u didnt learn the Ohr HaChaim hak' where is writes about Dina which had a baby from Shchem so thats how her brothers knew her story is right. but by this case there is no proof, ziltch zero nada

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 05:59 PM Wise-Guy Says:

Reply to #11  
Rabbi_CS Says:

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

The good news: You're funny and articulate.

The bad news: Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Question: Has the fact of his constantly being locked in his office with her been confirmed? Is he denying that too?

Factoid: Yichud with an unmarried girl is technically a Rabbinical prohibition, which is serious enough. But if the girl is a Niddah (which nowadays ALL girls over Bas-Mitzvah have a "Chazaka" of Niddah) then the prohibition is D'Oyraiysoh.

I can't understand how Weberman could have kept locking the door for YEARS and get away with it.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:02 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #10  
Yossi10952 Says:

what i really don't understand is how can anyone in the world say what happened here?? not on the good side and not on the bad side!!
Anyone who takes a side here has no clue how wrong he can do if he protects the accuser can hurt the abuser so badly and the other way around!!
so everyone please shut up!! and wait till the verdict and then start talking!! including the big rabbi!!

You know how we know he is guilty as hell, because no one would want to bribe someone with 500 thousand dollars if nothing happened ,can you understand that simple fact then you can come to a logicall conclusion that something horrible did happen to that young girl.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
joana Says:

As someone who has been victimized badly in the community, I must say that this story is a situation that may just backfire and do the opposite that should be accomplished.
We all know about molesters in the community going around freely.
Taking this case on Weberman as an example for the community is just giving the real molesters a freeway.
There are so much external facts in this case that it’s very hard to believe that this is not a setup.
Look at her youth, her first boy friend, her second boyfriends arrest in Rodney, her father’s business fight, the other let go cases from the DA’s office, there protests, Rosenberg’s hotline, the press against Heinz etc……
The motive seems different here then a true abuse case.

Stop right there "llok at her youth" thats clue number one what weberman did to her, everyone reacts diffrently to a cold, some people cough and some people cant swollow, some people cry in bed and some peopel just drink water.

this is how she reacted, whats the problem?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:13 PM Butterfly Says:

To #2 Innocent until proven guilty!! Let the court system do its job!!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:14 PM ChareidiMan Says:

Reply to #30  
Yossi Says:

Tonight Kuf Alef Kislef is the day when the Satmere rebbes usually give their State of the Union speech...I am sure Reb Aron will definite talk about what he meant motzei shabbos when he gave his speech in KJ.
Ren Aron and any other rabunim are NOT looking for any confortation with Charles Hynes and i am sure he will defend his position..Meanwhile lets sit tight and hear his defense...The Rebbe was not afraid on Bloomie when it came to Metzitze Bepeh and he wasnt intimidated when all gedoyle hador tried to convince him to join in Citifield.
He has his Das Torah and when he speaks he talks to HIS people.
His speeches dosent condem Charles Hynes office and dosent defend any molesters.
This case is a tragedy for Klal Yisroel and especially for Satmar (both sides of satmar)...The media is having a ball by bashing Orthodox jews and i am sure this chilil hashem could of been avoided if the Yeshivas would of had a stricter supervision HOW and WHO give therapy to troubled kids in their school systems.
I think the gedoyle Hador should make a Yoim Tefillah and maybe half day Tanis or Pidyen Nefesh for this terrible horrible chilil hashem .......

this is where you are very wrong!

Its not a tragedy FOR satmar, its a tragedy BY satmar. They hired this non-qualified man and thats was the worst part of it all. Lets not kid ourselves, we know why he got the job and how many people got kick backs, dont become the victim all of a sudden , when youare out of answers.

When will we EVER take responsibility for our actions, and grow up

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:32 PM charles11206 Says:

Reply to #11  
Rabbi_CS Says:

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

It is false that he was locked with her. period.
as can say eides all surrounding offices, and girls father who was at home when weberman visited them at home.
(which she tried first to lie about it! and was busted by cross exam!

(she testified first that non of her perents were at home at that time, but than admitted to defense that her father was home!!!)

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:34 PM TheRealJoe123 Says:

DA Hynes with his inside knowledge of the Frum community, and with the help of his Frum ADA's has managed to play everyone....
He's scared about possibly having a tough reelection fight he's used to cruising to victory. I don't believe the Satmer Rebbe word's where translated right so YES I hope he clarifies his statements. Tonight's protest is silly, Don't create an environment for Weberman to ask for a mistrial. Abuse is REAL problem in the Frum community, B"H we are moving in the right direction on the issue, however change doesn't happen over night, and we also need to be vigilant not to get into the witch hunt mentality.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Wise-Guy Says:

The good news: You're funny and articulate.

The bad news: Unfortunately, I think you're right.

Question: Has the fact of his constantly being locked in his office with her been confirmed? Is he denying that too?

Factoid: Yichud with an unmarried girl is technically a Rabbinical prohibition, which is serious enough. But if the girl is a Niddah (which nowadays ALL girls over Bas-Mitzvah have a "Chazaka" of Niddah) then the prohibition is D'Oyraiysoh.

I can't understand how Weberman could have kept locking the door for YEARS and get away with it.

Wise, it was proven in open court that he violated the Halachos of Yichud - by his own attorney. His attorney was under the impression that Yichud in a car is OK, and he actually asked that in court. He was then informed that taking long drives in seclusion is in fact Yichud.

Additionally, Halacha forbids being Misyached anywhere if the comfort of seclusion is there, EVEN WHEN THE DOOR IS UNLOCKED!! (A big misconception - people think that if the door is unlocked when a girl is babysitting your 12 year old boy is enough, it is NOT okay - UNLESS there is a reasonable expectation that somebody, like a neighbor, could pop in the door any minute.)

Therefore, in a therapists office, where the children would "Get Petch" if they interrupted the father in his office by going in there, the Issur of Yichud exists - even without the door being locked!!

Therefore, beyond SHADOW OF DOUBT he was Over the Issur of Yichud with a Niddah, making him Halachicaly a Porutz in Hilchos Arayos D'Oraisa, taking away ANY Chezkas Kashrus he may have had.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:42 PM Benny Says:

"Hynes praised the leadership of the Crown Heights community for issuing a ruling stating that in cases of child molestation, everyone has an obligation to come forward and report the abuse and expressed his frustration that leaders in Williamsburg have not followed suit."
I think all agree the molester has to be reported, just let the Bais Din first clarify that is the case, and not some kind of a distressed juror's decision based in his feeling, or some kind of a act of the official based on his emotions he got from last night "soap opera" or fight with his girlfriend.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:46 PM EinYid Says:

Reply to #11  
Rabbi_CS Says:

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

Rabbi CS. Right on the money! Gevaldig!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:47 PM curious Says:

Reply to #11  
Rabbi_CS Says:

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

Where do you get your facts? Was he proven to be in a locked room to which others can't access for 12 hours a week with her?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:57 PM EinYid Says:

Reply to #22  
THE TRUTH ! Says:

I WAS THERE! All that the Satmar Rebbe said was that it's a very painful situation and a shameful chilul hashem and he did not give right to any side at all, I don't understand the stupidity of DA Hynes for taking some crap from enemies of the rebbe to blackmail him with this false accusations when all he said was that it's a painful story that is a terrible chilul hashem a disgrace to gods name. Isn't he correct? "DA HYNES YOU OWE AN APOLOGY TO THE SATMAR REBBE" As an experienced DA you should have better brains to understand that you are being used by the zalmonites for political reasons to blackmail the satmar rebbe with false accusations. I WAS THERE AND IT'S ALSO ON TAPE! THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WHAT HE SAID! PERIOD!

To "THE TRUTH" You obviously don't seem to comprehend what your own Rebbe is saying.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 06:59 PM Normal Says:

#19 said "I have also personally spoken to more of his victims. There are a lot of people like me in the community who know the truth and its so painful and hurtful hearing everyone deny it. Especially a leader. HOw could he? Did he listen to her part of the story? Did he try to get evidence? Lots of victims would come fwd and anonymously tell him what happened. If he would want to hear. I can arrange it. Many others can. Some have tried to come fwd and nothing is being done to help. "

It is very important that other victims go to the police and make a statement if he is guilty and you don't want him to reoffend.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 07:02 PM georgewashingtonbridge Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Don't believe everything you read.

I don't believe you.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 07:41 PM The Truth! Says:

Reply to #44  
EinYid Says:

To "THE TRUTH" You obviously don't seem to comprehend what your own Rebbe is saying.

I understood it well and so did thousands who were there. "it`s very painful what`s going on" "klal yisroel has not had such a story with such chilul hashem" he said. listen to the recording yourself and prove it to yourself. DA Hynes is being played into blackmail politics by some enemies of the satmar rebbe. what a disgrace. the satmar rebbe is allowed to say that it bothers him the chilul hashem and kvod shomayim. there`s nothing wrong about it. DA HYNES owes him an apology!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 07:52 PM shredready Says:

Freedom of speech does not mean one cannot be criticized for their speech

in addition, can anybody quote the satmar Rebbie ever supported the accuser or even a known victim? Has there ever been a case when he spoke against the accused, Even after conviction?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 08:21 PM HF Says:

Reply to #13  
enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

I think his own brother would disagree with this description of him. Weberman is a choiteh who was miyached with girls and should be thrown out of the community for that. However Satmar would rather blame this on some kind of fake "chassid hatred" rather than what it is which is their failure to protect victims of abuse and cover up for the abusers.

If he is found guilty I am sure they will continue to protect him.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 09:12 PM Anonymous Says:

These days, going against any rabbi is considered the greatest act of selfishness in the world of any human being according to the ways of the illicit. Somewhere we need justice.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:

All everyone here has to know is this: The NYPD has a lot of experience in interrogation techniques and if they thought that the girl's accusations were inconsistent and would not hold up in court, Weberman would have never been arrested. That being said, why would anyone go thru the hassle of accusing someone for no monetary reasons whatsoever? Just to get revenge?? The fact is that the girl was offered $500,000 to drop the case and she refused. So it's obvious she has nothing to gain by her accusations. Now, looking at this objectively, a person just does not offer that kind of money unless he has something to hide. If Weberman is really as innocent as he claims, why doesn't he submit to a polygraph test and use the results as partial evidence for vindication? The girl may be off the derech, but isn't it also possible that the accused is just putting on a charade and is morally corrupt internally?

In most arguments, all you have to do is follow the money trail to determine motivations. Here, since the girl refused a half a million dollars to drop the case, it's obvious she is seeking justice and not revenge as the accused has claimed.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 09:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

You're not so an "enlightened-yid".
Better yet, your comment isn't worth responding to.
Frankly I don't believe you believe what you are saying.

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 10:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
enlightened-yid Says:

How dare you Mr. Hynes say something against the Satmar Rebbe? He is an omnipotent, saintly leader who always knows what comes out of his mouth because his holy wisdom is guided by Torah. The Satmar community doesn't have sexual abusers and victims don't exist. These victims are confused teenage girls who want attention and accuse holy men of wrong doing.

you apparently don't know the meaning of the word "omnipotent" - this is a description which can only be used to describe the Aibershter!!

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weberman is the victim here, a victim of being falsely accused of a crime he did not commit by a vengeful girl. She should have all of the onesh of an eid zomem because by making up these stories she is putting real victims in danger, because real abusers can say they were framed just as she is framing Rabbi Weberman.

how do you know that?

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 Dec 04, 2012 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Anonymous Says:

All everyone here has to know is this: The NYPD has a lot of experience in interrogation techniques and if they thought that the girl's accusations were inconsistent and would not hold up in court, Weberman would have never been arrested. That being said, why would anyone go thru the hassle of accusing someone for no monetary reasons whatsoever? Just to get revenge?? The fact is that the girl was offered $500,000 to drop the case and she refused. So it's obvious she has nothing to gain by her accusations. Now, looking at this objectively, a person just does not offer that kind of money unless he has something to hide. If Weberman is really as innocent as he claims, why doesn't he submit to a polygraph test and use the results as partial evidence for vindication? The girl may be off the derech, but isn't it also possible that the accused is just putting on a charade and is morally corrupt internally?

In most arguments, all you have to do is follow the money trail to determine motivations. Here, since the girl refused a half a million dollars to drop the case, it's obvious she is seeking justice and not revenge as the accused has claimed.

what is on trial here is not only weberman the whole system is on trial. This is state (satmar) sponsored terrorism that is on trial.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:23 AM aleph Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

what is on trial here is not only weberman the whole system is on trial. This is state (satmar) sponsored terrorism that is on trial.

Wow, so you're basically admitting that weberman isn't getting a fair trial. They are trying to besmirch satmar and weberman by association. In case you haven't noticed the jury doesn't approve of our lifestyle, so guilty or not weberman is likely toast. What's ironic is that all these frum haters mocking tznius and yiddishkeit are using yichud to "prove" his guilt.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:38 AM memberhere Says:

Since when does Charles Hynes quote the Daily News? Yaniv of Daily News sits in court and hears all testimony and knows the contradictions. . What he does is write what all like to read. Which is surely not TRUTH> He skips items of truth when he thinks it wont pull readership.

How Sad.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:45 AM aleph Says:

Cont... So the message to us is to strengthen our adherence to all mitzvos, including yichud in business etc. (which I'm not sure he violated) because hashem said so, and if we're not perfect it affects Jews everywhere and they slip even further.
tomorrow is another day, and despite the odds I still hope after all the defense testimony the jury will see the truth and acquit him. I especially can't wait to hear her former bf's testimony when all of a sudden the tables will turn and you'll be screaming it's "only revenge".
The "money trail" some keep on referencing is inadmissible in court for a reason. Either you believe in our justice system and don't bring it up, or think it's fallible and misguided so why bother going to court? (for those that don't know, those allegedly offering her husband the money were NOT doing so on weberman's bidding that's why it can't be mentioned in court. And they really felt he's innocent but probably doubted our justice system and wanted to avoid this chillul hashem of a trial, no guilty conscience at all.)

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Normal Says:

#19 said "I have also personally spoken to more of his victims. There are a lot of people like me in the community who know the truth and its so painful and hurtful hearing everyone deny it. Especially a leader. HOw could he? Did he listen to her part of the story? Did he try to get evidence? Lots of victims would come fwd and anonymously tell him what happened. If he would want to hear. I can arrange it. Many others can. Some have tried to come fwd and nothing is being done to help. "

It is very important that other victims go to the police and make a statement if he is guilty and you don't want him to reoffend.

Many have tried and the truth of their tale came out. Do you realize that there isnt evidence even in court with this start witness. Sorry He is being framed. All of a sudden he is called leader..Unfortunately a bunch of hurt people, who have their own agendas are sitting in court, each nursing their own problem and to them this is called uniting. Cheering on, against an innocent man. This is an example of why the real problems dont get addressed. Look at the money that goes into to this trial, and if you would be following it you would see the inconsistincies of the accuser. The rest see it for yourself

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 02:22 AM jacob Says:

Hynes should get into all the alter boys and priests instead of the .001 % in the Jewish Comunity. We have to stop making ez targets of ourselves. The satmar rebbe is right and according with Halacha. Stop the mesera now.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 04:45 AM Vey is mir Says:

AM I the only one who read this line in the article?
"“If he had paid any attention to the objective reporting that was found in the daily newspapers and the facts on the table he would not have come to that conclusion,” said Hynes."

Objective reporting??
Puleeze!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
aleph Says:

Cont... So the message to us is to strengthen our adherence to all mitzvos, including yichud in business etc. (which I'm not sure he violated) because hashem said so, and if we're not perfect it affects Jews everywhere and they slip even further.
tomorrow is another day, and despite the odds I still hope after all the defense testimony the jury will see the truth and acquit him. I especially can't wait to hear her former bf's testimony when all of a sudden the tables will turn and you'll be screaming it's "only revenge".
The "money trail" some keep on referencing is inadmissible in court for a reason. Either you believe in our justice system and don't bring it up, or think it's fallible and misguided so why bother going to court? (for those that don't know, those allegedly offering her husband the money were NOT doing so on weberman's bidding that's why it can't be mentioned in court. And they really felt he's innocent but probably doubted our justice system and wanted to avoid this chillul hashem of a trial, no guilty conscience at all.)

"I especially can't wait to hear her former bf's testimony when all of a sudden the tables will turn and you'll be screaming it's "only revenge".

Your timing is off. She confided in her school counselor before she even met her boyfriend, so stop with the revenge excuse. Why is it always revenge when a Jewish girl is molested and tells someone in authority? I hope you don't have any children living in your house. If one of them went to you with a true story that someone had molested them, what kind of revenge would you consider?

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 11:23 AM brooklyn mom Says:

I have a few things to say. Number 1--if he was in yichud with this girl with a locked door--not good, folks. Number 2--Satmar community as well as everyone else in Williamsburg, Boro Park, Flatbush, Lakewood, Monroe, New Square, Monsey and any other place that calls itself a frum stronghold--if you think for one second that there is no molestation in these communities, then you are all hiding under a rock and don't want to admit that the problem unfortunately exists in all communities--frum, non frum, muslim, christians. It is just there!!! The more these people are coddled, the more these disgusting and scarring for life episodes will continue. Number 3--How could the young girl go to the Rebbe when he doesn't meet with women? Her father couldn't go in her place since he didn't believe her either. Number 4--there were 2 other girls who said they were molested by him as well, however they were too intimidated to testify against him. Number 5--Someone tried to "pay" the girl off to get rid of the case. If that isn't an admission of guilt, then I don't know what is.
I hope and daven that this young girl can get on with her life and everyone gets what he deserves.Hashem Yerachem

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 11:43 AM neezoogshoin Says:

Reply to #11  
Rabbi_CS Says:

Anonymous, your choice of words, specifically "eid zomem" is so delightfully stupid, it basically undermines your entire "Shitah"

Se, in order to be an Eid Zomem, OTHER witnesses have to come forward and say "How can you testify to what happened at that time, you were with US!! (Imanu Hayisem)"

Here is your problem.

Weberman was LOCKED up with the girl for 12 hours a week!!!

NOBODY could say "Imanu Hayisem" since she was with HIM!! ALONE!!!

Which is AGAINST THE HALACHA!!!

A Tzaddik he definitely is not. He is an UNDISPUTED Parutz in the Halachos of Arayos. Being Misyached with a girl for 12 hours a week should be enough for you all to be disgusted with him, even if he never touched her.

If he did touch her, then you all in Williamsburg should be calling for his blood.

Yet, you are pretending that he is an upstanding citizen.

By the way, if you believe that he was with her for 12 hours a week, and kept his hands off of her, I have a bridge to sell you. Or a Chasidus.

Wow, excellent points.

I wish I could think or speak with the same clarity as you.

I don't know if Weberman is truly guilty or not, but neither does R' Aron or DA Hynes. To make all these presumptions is just so misguided, I am stunned about how one can take such a strong position on either side.

Also, all these people staunchly defending Weberman and portraying him as the victim, just wait until it is your child who is molested. Until then, please stop judging and coming to conclusions.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 12:43 PM Tzi_Bar_David Says:

Number 60, he should go after ALL of them. Even by your count the 99.99% goy (which is laughable) and the 0.001% Yidden. These are crimes that have been hidden in all communities for far too long. The only time people ridicule you is when you deny it is happening.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 12:48 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #56  
aleph Says:

Wow, so you're basically admitting that weberman isn't getting a fair trial. They are trying to besmirch satmar and weberman by association. In case you haven't noticed the jury doesn't approve of our lifestyle, so guilty or not weberman is likely toast. What's ironic is that all these frum haters mocking tznius and yiddishkeit are using yichud to "prove" his guilt.

What YOU haven't noticed is that the jury does approve of the lifestyle and the support of all the FRUM chassidic and not chassidic dignified NORMAL and Law Abiding people who have come out to support the victim who is telling the truth and is NOT guilty of anything but being an innocent child and victim at the time!

WE are not using Yichud to prove his guilt, his defense team used YICHUD to prove his guilt!!! They proved that HE was oiver Yichud. They proved that he was lying and they proved that since he was oiver Yichud he is NOT what he dresses up to make people believe he is! He is nothing but an actor. And his costume means nothing. The man behind the mask, does not follow the law of the land nor the laws of his own religion and therefor cannot be trusted! This actor who you choose to support proved his own guilt by spending hours on end in the courtroom sitting next to his non-tzniusdik female attorney. What a display of arrogance, what a busha to his own wife!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 12:52 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #57  
memberhere Says:

Since when does Charles Hynes quote the Daily News? Yaniv of Daily News sits in court and hears all testimony and knows the contradictions. . What he does is write what all like to read. Which is surely not TRUTH> He skips items of truth when he thinks it wont pull readership.

How Sad.

What is sad is the entire story of abuse. I agree that this is sad, but I say "Kudos to Yaniv for reporting the truth" and for having the stomach to sit there day after day and digest the horrific details of this crime. He is not the only one who is relaying the truth as they hear it straight from the courtroom. So sorry for you that you still have your head in the sand. When you decide to pull it out you will breathe fresh air and see the sunlight.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 12:55 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #58  
aleph Says:

Cont... So the message to us is to strengthen our adherence to all mitzvos, including yichud in business etc. (which I'm not sure he violated) because hashem said so, and if we're not perfect it affects Jews everywhere and they slip even further.
tomorrow is another day, and despite the odds I still hope after all the defense testimony the jury will see the truth and acquit him. I especially can't wait to hear her former bf's testimony when all of a sudden the tables will turn and you'll be screaming it's "only revenge".
The "money trail" some keep on referencing is inadmissible in court for a reason. Either you believe in our justice system and don't bring it up, or think it's fallible and misguided so why bother going to court? (for those that don't know, those allegedly offering her husband the money were NOT doing so on weberman's bidding that's why it can't be mentioned in court. And they really felt he's innocent but probably doubted our justice system and wanted to avoid this chillul hashem of a trial, no guilty conscience at all.)

Oy vey, were you in court or not? I was! The defense themselves established that your friend Mr. Webershmutz was oiver the issur of Yichud and Moiser. Those are the facts, everything else you mentioned is pure fiction and fantasy. If you really want to know the truth instead of fabricating fairytales take the time and show up in court or at least believe those who do!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:15 PM Rabbi_CS Says:

Reply to #64  
neezoogshoin Says:

Wow, excellent points.

I wish I could think or speak with the same clarity as you.

I don't know if Weberman is truly guilty or not, but neither does R' Aron or DA Hynes. To make all these presumptions is just so misguided, I am stunned about how one can take such a strong position on either side.

Also, all these people staunchly defending Weberman and portraying him as the victim, just wait until it is your child who is molested. Until then, please stop judging and coming to conclusions.

See, I agree that although I have a really strong "gut feeling" that he is guilty, I don't know for sure with absolute, 100% clarity what happened, and perhaps never will.

But, there is one thing we DO know "B'Vadoyus" - for sure.

He definitely played loosely with Hilchos Yichud when he forced her to go on long trips with her.

Therefore, in no way of thinking, could this man be considered "B'Chezkas Kashrus"

His supporters would like to say that it is "he-said-she said", that if you believe him, he is a Tzaddik, and if you believe her, he is a Rasha, and why should you listen to her.

The problem is that it is not the case.

In REALITY......

If you believe HER, he is a big Porutz. If you belive HIM, he is a little Porutz.

EITHER WAY he is a Minuval and a Porutz, no matter how you slice it. And any decent community should treat him as such.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 01:37 PM SamEiger Says:

Reply to #24  
Sherree Says:

For starters, let me ask you why you refer to Webershmutz as Rabbi, from where does he get the right to have that title? Does he have smicha? Is he a Rebbe in yeshiva. For that matter does he even have a chavrusa? How about zman kavua l'itim?

The defense attorney verified the fact that he had Yichud with the victim. Do you know what that means, that means that his own attorney proved to the court that he had Yichud with the girl in question. Do you still want to call him "Rabbi"?

He sat "thisclose" to his bare armed attorney who's dress was lets say to be polite, short and low cut, oh yes and tight, and her hair was wild and tousled. Oh did I mention, for hours, while he had the option of asking the male attorney to sit next to him instead. And by the way, while his wife and son sat behind him. Is that how the head of the Modesty Police behaves? Do you still want to refer to him as "Rabbi"

His attorney proved in court that HE is a "moser" because he forced the girl's father to accompany him to where the girl met her boyfriend "the love of her life" and videotape them and then went to the DA with the tape to prosecute the boy. "Rabbi" feh!

Just curious why is he a moser if he did that? If the boy was abusing her why shouldn't he tell if you always beleive in informing. Unless you make a distinction based on age?

Please explain.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
SamEiger Says:

Just curious why is he a moser if he did that? If the boy was abusing her why shouldn't he tell if you always beleive in informing. Unless you make a distinction based on age?

Please explain.

Sam. that is a very good question, with perhaps no clear answer, but I will do my best.

In this day and age, it is clear that having an adult molest a child causes irreversible harm to the psyche. That is why a molester is considered a Rodef by most leading Poskim.

When there is a Rodef, one may go to authorities without being "Oiver" the Issur of Mesira.

When two young teens are having relations, there is no clear Rodef here, if both are on the "same page"

Therefore, it is not an issue of AGE, it is an issue of RODEF.

And that makes all the difference in the world.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
aleph Says:

Cont... So the message to us is to strengthen our adherence to all mitzvos, including yichud in business etc. (which I'm not sure he violated) because hashem said so, and if we're not perfect it affects Jews everywhere and they slip even further.
tomorrow is another day, and despite the odds I still hope after all the defense testimony the jury will see the truth and acquit him. I especially can't wait to hear her former bf's testimony when all of a sudden the tables will turn and you'll be screaming it's "only revenge".
The "money trail" some keep on referencing is inadmissible in court for a reason. Either you believe in our justice system and don't bring it up, or think it's fallible and misguided so why bother going to court? (for those that don't know, those allegedly offering her husband the money were NOT doing so on weberman's bidding that's why it can't be mentioned in court. And they really felt he's innocent but probably doubted our justice system and wanted to avoid this chillul hashem of a trial, no guilty conscience at all.)

Even if what you say is true, why did the defense mention that there was yichud with the girl?? You know the saying, "modeh b'miksus, chaive". So al pi halacha, he is already guilty...

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 06:25 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #70  
SamEiger Says:

Just curious why is he a moser if he did that? If the boy was abusing her why shouldn't he tell if you always beleive in informing. Unless you make a distinction based on age?

Please explain.

He and his community are calling HER a "moser" and is basing his whole defense on the fact that she is OTD and a moser. Funny thing though, I don't know many OTD who wear sheitels to cover their hair after marriage. In addition, If he, the adult, the prominent, respected, chassid, a member of the Mod Squad, who holds himself to such a madreigah that he can counsel others, can be oiver two very important and stringent halachas such as Yichud and Moiser then it is a huge and important key to the validity of any of his statements. If he did NOT follow the rules of the the community and Torah by first going to a bais din to get a heter to go to the authorities to turn in another JEW then HE is a moser and it is HE who showed his young "client" how one must conduct themselves in such a case, by going straight to the authorities. After all he was guiding her for 3 years by his own admission and that of his defense team. He taught her what she must do in such a case. So yes he is a MOSER, he did it first and he influenced her way of thinking by teaching her how it is done!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 06:28 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #72  
Anonymous Says:

Even if what you say is true, why did the defense mention that there was yichud with the girl?? You know the saying, "modeh b'miksus, chaive". So al pi halacha, he is already guilty...

As the saying goes, he is his own worst enemy and he will be the cause of his own downfall. Today he admitted running a charity that used the money to purchase lingerie? Which charity that you know purchases lingerie and would you donate money to a charity that purchased lingerie. I would say that is geneivas daas to collect money for charity and then purchase lingerie with that money!!!!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 08:21 PM Sherree Says:

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charles11206 Says:

It is false that he was locked with her. period.
as can say eides all surrounding offices, and girls father who was at home when weberman visited them at home.
(which she tried first to lie about it! and was busted by cross exam!

(she testified first that non of her perents were at home at that time, but than admitted to defense that her father was home!!!)

Were you in the courtroom? All accounts of the testimony stated that she gave testimony that her parents were NOT at home. Had her father actually been at home he could verify that this mamzer was actually IN HIS DAUGHTER'S bedroom!!! What right would anyone visiting their home have to go anywhere but the entryway or basic living area? Had she admitted that her father was at home the prosecution would have definitely put him on the stand to make sure he testifies to the fact that he was in her bedroom.

Now about the falsehood that he was "locked with her period" his own defense established the fact that he was "locked" with her in the car alone all day!!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 08:24 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #49  
HF Says:

I think his own brother would disagree with this description of him. Weberman is a choiteh who was miyached with girls and should be thrown out of the community for that. However Satmar would rather blame this on some kind of fake "chassid hatred" rather than what it is which is their failure to protect victims of abuse and cover up for the abusers.

If he is found guilty I am sure they will continue to protect him.

I don't "hate" chassidim. I love every Jew who is truthful, honest and doesn't hurt anyone!!! I have no reason to hate anyone who behaves appropriately, Jew or Non-Jew!

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 09:10 PM SamEiger Says:

Reply to #71  
Anonymous Says:

Sam. that is a very good question, with perhaps no clear answer, but I will do my best.

In this day and age, it is clear that having an adult molest a child causes irreversible harm to the psyche. That is why a molester is considered a Rodef by most leading Poskim.

When there is a Rodef, one may go to authorities without being "Oiver" the Issur of Mesira.

When two young teens are having relations, there is no clear Rodef here, if both are on the "same page"

Therefore, it is not an issue of AGE, it is an issue of RODEF.

And that makes all the difference in the world.

I understand your point however I think we can apply the rule of "gadol hamachtio yoser min hahorgo" so being that he was causing her to sin
(A chiyuv kares) and if after speaking to his parents and mentors they were unable to get him to stop seeing her then I think there would be grounds to report it without being a moser.

Also let's not forget dina dmalchusa which makes it a crime for underage relations.

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 Dec 05, 2012 at 09:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #77  
SamEiger Says:

I understand your point however I think we can apply the rule of "gadol hamachtio yoser min hahorgo" so being that he was causing her to sin
(A chiyuv kares) and if after speaking to his parents and mentors they were unable to get him to stop seeing her then I think there would be grounds to report it without being a moser.

Also let's not forget dina dmalchusa which makes it a crime for underage relations.

Point taken

However, I am not sure that a "Ruchniusdige" redifus is a Heter to go to Arkaos. Physical redifus (like in weberman's case) is.
Additionally, they may have been violating dina d'malchusa, however that falls short of redifus as well.

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 Dec 06, 2012 at 12:27 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #77  
SamEiger Says:

I understand your point however I think we can apply the rule of "gadol hamachtio yoser min hahorgo" so being that he was causing her to sin
(A chiyuv kares) and if after speaking to his parents and mentors they were unable to get him to stop seeing her then I think there would be grounds to report it without being a moser.

Also let's not forget dina dmalchusa which makes it a crime for underage relations.

So then we go back to him who was the first to cause her to sin, so that rule would apply first to him, and then she would NOT be considered a Moser either!!! YOUR point is well taken! Furthermore, THEY did NOT speak neither to him nor to his parents they just took the tape to the DA. And we all agree with you that it is a crime for underage relations that is why Webershmutz is on trial right now.

Interesting revelations: the principal is his cousin, so we now know why he was supplying him with kids and why he blackmailed parents with expulsion and paying big bucks upfront! Why he forced the mom to write an apology to him when she insulted him by saying she wouldn't allow him to take her daughter on a field trip because it would be Yichud!

Another is that he ran a charity fund he used to pay his own children's tuition with & he also paid for lingerie from there. It would be interesting to find out if his wife owns that lingerie. It would also be interesting to find out if the IRS and FBI would be interested in investigating the charity account and his own bank accounts to see why he would be paying tuition through this account. Was he also "donating" money to it?

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 Dec 06, 2012 at 08:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #79  
Sherree Says:

So then we go back to him who was the first to cause her to sin, so that rule would apply first to him, and then she would NOT be considered a Moser either!!! YOUR point is well taken! Furthermore, THEY did NOT speak neither to him nor to his parents they just took the tape to the DA. And we all agree with you that it is a crime for underage relations that is why Webershmutz is on trial right now.

Interesting revelations: the principal is his cousin, so we now know why he was supplying him with kids and why he blackmailed parents with expulsion and paying big bucks upfront! Why he forced the mom to write an apology to him when she insulted him by saying she wouldn't allow him to take her daughter on a field trip because it would be Yichud!

Another is that he ran a charity fund he used to pay his own children's tuition with & he also paid for lingerie from there. It would be interesting to find out if his wife owns that lingerie. It would also be interesting to find out if the IRS and FBI would be interested in investigating the charity account and his own bank accounts to see why he would be paying tuition through this account. Was he also "donating" money to it?

If this all true, then it's nothing less than a mafia and since Satmar did nothing to shut this down, they are just as complicit as, as you say, Webershmutz.

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 Dec 06, 2012 at 10:23 AM Sherree Says:

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Anonymous Says:

If this all true, then it's nothing less than a mafia and since Satmar did nothing to shut this down, they are just as complicit as, as you say, Webershmutz.

Yeah, this whole thing is so sad AND disgusting. When they fall they fall in a big way. And he points his finger at this young girl and gets the masses to do the same and calls her OTD. HE this fraudulent character defiles her, degrades her, plays with her mind, makes her break halalcha and then LABELS her NOT FRUM! How many Non-Frum women do you know cover their hair after marriage?

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 Dec 06, 2012 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

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Sherree Says:

Yeah, this whole thing is so sad AND disgusting. When they fall they fall in a big way. And he points his finger at this young girl and gets the masses to do the same and calls her OTD. HE this fraudulent character defiles her, degrades her, plays with her mind, makes her break halalcha and then LABELS her NOT FRUM! How many Non-Frum women do you know cover their hair after marriage?

People who have never heard of Satmar now are learning all about them. Even outside NY, people are screaming for justice for this poor girl. I, myself, never knew what really goes on in their sect. Thank goodness, my kids are protected and we lead a clean, legal life.

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 Dec 06, 2012 at 06:43 PM from-here_to-there Says:

Sherree - you surely you understand. to some people what you wear on the outside is what counts and the inside feelings are meaningless. So a man or woman wears the right suit of clothes, the right style hat, speaks the right language with the right dialect and does it all for show is the superior person to a person who may have proper emunah, proper behavior, follows halacha (inside and outside the house) if this person has the unmitigated gall to not wear the same uniform.

These phony headlines "Religious man goes to jail for"... ponzi scheme or mortgage fraud... sorry he wears the suit but the suit does not make him religious - the behaviors and actions do and a thief and a rapist are not religious people.

If there are many young folks truly going off the derech - my speculation is because there are many older folks (role models - and I don't mean their parents) are OTD but not labeled because they still wear the garb and they think they are fooling others. they may fool there spouse and their Rebbe but they are not fooling the young folks.

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 Dec 07, 2012 at 10:58 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #83  
from-here_to-there Says:

Sherree - you surely you understand. to some people what you wear on the outside is what counts and the inside feelings are meaningless. So a man or woman wears the right suit of clothes, the right style hat, speaks the right language with the right dialect and does it all for show is the superior person to a person who may have proper emunah, proper behavior, follows halacha (inside and outside the house) if this person has the unmitigated gall to not wear the same uniform.

These phony headlines "Religious man goes to jail for"... ponzi scheme or mortgage fraud... sorry he wears the suit but the suit does not make him religious - the behaviors and actions do and a thief and a rapist are not religious people.

If there are many young folks truly going off the derech - my speculation is because there are many older folks (role models - and I don't mean their parents) are OTD but not labeled because they still wear the garb and they think they are fooling others. they may fool there spouse and their Rebbe but they are not fooling the young folks.

Kids can spot hypocrisy a mile away!!

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 Dec 07, 2012 at 02:44 PM Anonymous Says:

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Sherree Says:

Kids can spot hypocrisy a mile away!!

They can spot hypocrisy but are threatened if they do anything to question it. The poor kids accept the abuse because they feel no one will listen to them and they blame themselves. Hopefully, this trial will help more youngsters go to their parents and discuss what is happening in their lives.

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