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Published on: July 1, 2013 09:29 PM
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German Economy Minister Philipp Roesler (L) and Israels Finanzce Minister Yair Lapid chat in Tel Aviv, Israel, 24 June 2013. EPA/MAURIZIO GAMBARINIIsrael - The housing cabinet led by Finance Minister Yair Lapid approved a new set of criteria for public housing on Monday, scaling back many provisions that primarily aided the ultra-Orthodox community.

“We’re keeping our promises and fixing distortions that have been present for years,” Lapid said. “The distortions created advantages for those who did not serve in the army and those who don’t work.”

The cabinet canceled a provision that gave benefits to couples based on years of marriage, which had been helpful to the haredi couples, who tend to get married earlier on than the general population.

Housing advantages for large families were scaled back to match those of families with just three children.

Further, only those families that work full-time under existing housing definitions are to be eligible for long term leases or reduced purchasing prices.

“The new criteria for affordable housing put the working man in the center, but, at the same time, do not harm the haredi public or minorities, and encourage them to enter the labor force in a gradual and appropriate way,” said Housing Minister Uri Ariel.

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The cabinet also decided to put public purchase law into effect on August 1, which would allow long-term residents of public housing to purchase their apartments at subsidized prices.

Water and Energy Minister Silvan Shalom, who carries the portfolio for developing the Negev and Galilee, urged the cabinet to approve additional steps to help the periphery at its upcoming July 23 meeting. Those steps include increased subsidies, setting objectives for marketing new apartments in the periphery, and building more rental housing in those areas.


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 Jul 01, 2013 at 09:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Why am I not surprised. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. This guy wants draconian cuts for anything frum. Neybach.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 09:51 PM Ahuvah54 Says:

Rasha.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 09:55 PM myownopinion Says:

sounds fair to me
let's hope us follows suit.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 10:18 PM Anonymous Says:

These changes are long overdue. Why should housing assistance be based on how long a couple has been married??? Such an absurd criteria creates an incentive for Chareidim to marry off their yinglach at even younger ages so the more quickly qualify for housing subsidies. The same with family size. Maybe give a small increment for the 4th or maybe even 5th child. But if you already have 5 children and cannot afford to pay the rent, don't expect the other taxpayers to dig into their pockets so you can continue to make more babies. There has to be some individual responsibility within the confines of halacha and not simply rely on the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 10:29 PM Willy boy Says:

Can anyone please explain why he is wrong, i think he is heading the right direction

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

It's about time disabled Israelis who still go to work in wheelchairs are equal to non working Hasidim. Thank you for making the playing field even! It's about time an Israeli family who only have 2 children because that is all they can afford, get the same benefits as a family with 16 kids with no one working to support these 16 kids!!

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 10:38 PM long island bubby Says:

I don't get the negative comments. All these draconian cuts are because the Israeli government is running out of money and does not want to end up like Greece !! For years and years, because of chareidi involvement in the government, they have gotten many, many benefits that the rest of the general population is not eligible for. From housing subsidies to reduction in Arnona taxes, to reduction in water & electric bills to childcare tax subsidies, etc., etc.

These cuts affect the Chareidim the most because of the size of their families which was the basis of all the subsidies. It is unfortunate, it is even scary, but it is not discriminatory, it is fair to the general population.

Stop screaming anti-semitism and anti-religion and start educating yourself about government economics !!

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 10:53 PM LionofZion Says:

If Yissacher spits in the eye of Zevulun he really does not have much of a complaint when Zevulun cuts back on his benefits. So keep rallying and protesting Chareidim. It wasn't as if folks in Brussels really had to worry about getting drafted.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 11:06 PM Reb Yid Says:

You can't get people to be dependent on a system and then yank the rug out from under them. It's like driving someone into the desert and then refusing to drive then back. Mamash murder.

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 Jul 01, 2013 at 11:57 PM berelw Says:

fellow charaidim go get a job like i do...mr lapid is not a rasha for managing israel's economy...thats his job...lets call a spade a spade....imagine if charaidim were the only ones working while others didnt,,,imagine what you would say....so to all the nay sayers go get a job and work hard like we do here.....zeit mir gezunt...

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 12:26 AM sechelyoshor Says:

Reply to #9  
Reb Yid Says:

You can't get people to be dependent on a system and then yank the rug out from under them. It's like driving someone into the desert and then refusing to drive then back. Mamash murder.

Who "got them dependent"? Their roshei yeshiva and their politicians who pushed for unreasonable benefits to the detriment of everyone around them.

When anyone complained, the response was always that these benefits came their way through democratic means. Now that it's not working out through democratic means, all of a sudden everyone's a rasha and unfair. You can't have it both ways and expect to be taken seriously.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 01:05 AM rebbe123 Says:

Reply to #8  
LionofZion Says:

If Yissacher spits in the eye of Zevulun he really does not have much of a complaint when Zevulun cuts back on his benefits. So keep rallying and protesting Chareidim. It wasn't as if folks in Brussels really had to worry about getting drafted.

is that so? those mafirei bris, and evil atheists they are in your eyes the zevulun lehavdil, and you really think that these schnorers who without support of the USA they can't exist one day! they are the supporters of klal yisroel? Yes we're unfortunately still in golus and golus by so-called Jews is much worse! but yeshuas hashem keheref ayin WE ARE THE WINNING TEAM! .

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 01:43 AM The_Beadle Says:

Reply to #9  
Reb Yid Says:

You can't get people to be dependent on a system and then yank the rug out from under them. It's like driving someone into the desert and then refusing to drive then back. Mamash murder.

They drove themselves into the desert under the assumption that there would be a petrol station there. They are then blaming the person who gave them the car for it.

Am I stretching the analogy too far?

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 02:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Reb Yid Says:

You can't get people to be dependent on a system and then yank the rug out from under them. It's like driving someone into the desert and then refusing to drive then back. Mamash murder.

They never forced them to be dependent. It's a lifestyle choice that ended up hurting the general population. Their choice not to enter nachal charedi. Their choice to not get an education. Their choice to not enter the workforce at any point in life. The charedim are the ones who created a system in which they chose to be the yissaschar and the zevuluns had no choice but to pay. When you then scream at zevulun because he isn't doing enough to cater to your choice of lifestyle, what do you expect but for him to find any way possible to yank his money away??

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 03:04 AM gabe_e12 Says:

Guess what HUD uses as it's formula to determine sizes of housing subsidies......if you guessed family size, you win! Now imagine telling all those larger families living in subsidized housing in the US that they're subsidy was going to be cut to match that of the 3-4 person family, and watch the riots begin.
Now all the liberal, anti-chareidi sheep's heads can explode due to the cognitive dissonance

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 04:14 AM Pony Express Says:

I have not been critical of Yapid as he seems to have a dignified trust in the way that Jews can indeed perform and function in a society; but in this case I think he is not going to be breaking apart the bonds of wickedness in so much as he is likely going to limit the feasibility of a society to progress in the home. They should do their best to provide true adequate housing even in light of the high birth rates and limitations in persona space.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 06:09 AM WiseDude Says:

Lion of Zion is right, as usual. Furthermore the Chareidi world's concept of always living on the public dole has wrecked that community and caused a lot of resentment from everyone else, especially when, as Lion of Zion says, they continuously spit in the eye of their benefactors. There was a time when the Chareidi-garbed Jew was considered the standard for frumkeit and ehrlichkeit and even the gold standard for Torah Judaism. Those days are now gone and the Chareidim have only themselves to blame for this loss of status in the eyes of fellow Jews and everyone else as well.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 06:23 AM Anonymous Says:

These people are against the Medina, but want the taxpayers of the Medina to pay for their housing, and most everything else, as well as provide security. I am surprised that the Israeli public has tolerated this behavior for so long and I am supremely disappointed that the Chareidi leadership has encouraged this.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 07:52 AM BaruchBendit Says:

Reply to #5  
Willy boy Says:

Can anyone please explain why he is wrong, i think he is heading the right direction

Very simple.

The Haredi world - including North America and Eretz Yisroel - has become accustomed to living on entitlements. Have a look at Lakewood, Passaic, Williamsburg, New Sqvare . . . it is all about Section 8; HEAP, WIC, Food Stamps and Families First.

They believe that they are due these handouts because "they are holding up the world with their Torah learning".

They are going to learn a very hard lesson.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 07:55 AM Babishka Says:

Yair Lapid is just applying policy that far-right politicians like Rand Paul, Ron Paul and Paul Ryan want to implement in the United States. Harming the poor is not going to make them go out and find good jobs, it will just cause the poor to suffer even more.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 08:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

These changes are long overdue. Why should housing assistance be based on how long a couple has been married??? Such an absurd criteria creates an incentive for Chareidim to marry off their yinglach at even younger ages so the more quickly qualify for housing subsidies. The same with family size. Maybe give a small increment for the 4th or maybe even 5th child. But if you already have 5 children and cannot afford to pay the rent, don't expect the other taxpayers to dig into their pockets so you can continue to make more babies. There has to be some individual responsibility within the confines of halacha and not simply rely on the taxpayers to pick up the tab.

why did you even bother to add the words 'within the defines of halacha'? We understood where you are coming from. Don't try to water down your venom.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 08:18 AM huvs Says:

Reply to #17  
WiseDude Says:

Lion of Zion is right, as usual. Furthermore the Chareidi world's concept of always living on the public dole has wrecked that community and caused a lot of resentment from everyone else, especially when, as Lion of Zion says, they continuously spit in the eye of their benefactors. There was a time when the Chareidi-garbed Jew was considered the standard for frumkeit and ehrlichkeit and even the gold standard for Torah Judaism. Those days are now gone and the Chareidim have only themselves to blame for this loss of status in the eyes of fellow Jews and everyone else as well.

NOTE: There are Chareidim who take nothing from the government, despite the consequence of poverty. Tzaddikim like Rabbi Aryeh Levin, ztl, wasn't a parasite or a schnorrer, chas v'shalom.

Everyone here is looking at it through Western eyes.

What a shame. The study of Torah is essential to the existence of the world, and the land of Israel is the G-d given best place for this to happen -- and without it, woe is us.

But you can't measure or quantify it

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 08:21 AM DavidCohen Says:

Long overdue, and a major step in the right direction. The only way to slow parasitic dependence is to wean the populace off of it.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 08:50 AM gabe_e12 Says:

Reply to #23  
DavidCohen Says:

Long overdue, and a major step in the right direction. The only way to slow parasitic dependence is to wean the populace off of it.

David #23 I laugh at how you use the term "wean". Have you any clue what that word means?

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 08:56 AM gabe_e12 Says:

Reply to #19  
BaruchBendit Says:

Very simple.

The Haredi world - including North America and Eretz Yisroel - has become accustomed to living on entitlements. Have a look at Lakewood, Passaic, Williamsburg, New Sqvare . . . it is all about Section 8; HEAP, WIC, Food Stamps and Families First.

They believe that they are due these handouts because "they are holding up the world with their Torah learning".

They are going to learn a very hard lesson.

Or, alternatively, they realize that everything anyone in this world gets is a "hand out" from the almighty, and instead of treating it as an "entitlement", they are opting to "earn" it by serving him the best way they know. And quite possibly, it is you who are in for a rude awakening......just another theory

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 09:02 AM long island bubby Says:

I have been reading all the comments and I see a major disconnect. It is NOT about Torah is is about economics
There are no entitlements in this world. We earn what we need, and if we find a way to take advantage of government programs enjoy them while you can, BUT, when the system cannot sustain the huge financial drain of so many programs, you have no right to complain. You are NOT OWED government subsidies, you are allowed government subsidies. And when you are no longer allowed, then find another way to support your family.
I resent all the Frum Americans who do not work and use my tax dollars (which go up all the time) to support themselves. All these programs are supposed to be stop-gap measures, not permanent support. There are now states in the USA, that have time limits on government support. They will train you for a job, pay for childcare, BUT when the training is over, there is no more funding available to you forever !! I wish they would set up programs like that in NY & NJ. I am tired of paying for free rides, when I work hard, pay full tuition and pay ma-aser. My father always taught me, first pay your mortgage, then your tuition, and then eat !!

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 09:07 AM yaakov doe Says:

Using family size as a criteria is logical, but what's the reasoning behind the provision that gave benefits to couples based on years of marriage?

Reductions is spending are necessary, but it it unfortunate that the frum will be severely impacted.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 09:20 AM IronMaiden Says:

Reply to #12  
rebbe123 Says:

is that so? those mafirei bris, and evil atheists they are in your eyes the zevulun lehavdil, and you really think that these schnorers who without support of the USA they can't exist one day! they are the supporters of klal yisroel? Yes we're unfortunately still in golus and golus by so-called Jews is much worse! but yeshuas hashem keheref ayin WE ARE THE WINNING TEAM! .

If that is how you feel about your fellow Jews, then stop taking money from them. Stop taking housing, food, services, and security from the evil rishoyim which is what you consider your fellow Jew. Stop coming to houses and banging on doors and shaking fists full of coins in shul. You really shouldn't be going anywhere near these evil rishoyim fellow Jews, as they may be a bad influence on you. Perhaps you should learn to be more self-sufficient to protect yourself from, for instance, my evil grandmother who naively gives out tzaddaka every time a shnorrer bangs on her Flatbush door.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 09:40 AM IronMaiden Says:

Reply to #24  
gabe_e12 Says:

David #23 I laugh at how you use the term "wean". Have you any clue what that word means?

He used the word "wean" correctly.

From the dictionary;
Wean
/wēn/
Verb

Accustom (an infant or other young mammal) to food other than its mother's milk.
Accustom (someone) to managing without something on which they have become dependent or of which they have become excessively fond.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 10:29 AM Simple jew Says:

I have a problem with Lapid's plan that has nothing to do with Haredim. Yidden are supposed to be rachmanim bnei rachmanim. Who cares which Yid needs help, a haredi or someone who has not yet come to Torah and mitzvos. I don't see the various haredi charity organizations turning away non haredim. If the haredim need help Mr. Lapid, then help them. Don't simply cut their arms off and walk away complaining that they don't work..

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 11:22 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #24  
gabe_e12 Says:

David #23 I laugh at how you use the term "wean". Have you any clue what that word means?

Actually, yes, I do know the meaning of the word "wean", as well as how to use the word properly.

Merriam Webster gives three definitions of wean, the second being "to detach from a source of dependence".

Oxford Dictionary uses this primary definition, "accustom (someone) to managing without something which they have become dependent on".

But, feel free to continue laughing if that makes you feel better about your sorry self.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 11:26 AM WiseDude Says:

Reply to #30  
Simple jew Says:

I have a problem with Lapid's plan that has nothing to do with Haredim. Yidden are supposed to be rachmanim bnei rachmanim. Who cares which Yid needs help, a haredi or someone who has not yet come to Torah and mitzvos. I don't see the various haredi charity organizations turning away non haredim. If the haredim need help Mr. Lapid, then help them. Don't simply cut their arms off and walk away complaining that they don't work..

There's more than "help" involved. Help implies that if a person is in a pickle, you try to help them out of it. IN the situation in EY, you have entire segments of society living full time on the public dole because they have been told they are entitled to it because they learn Torah. You have political parties for the Haredim that exist solely to siphon off as much money and benefits as possible for their voters and themselves. You have vast numbers of people who don't think they need to work or serve in the IDF because they "learn Torah". It is not a question of rachamim. Jews are by nature full of rachamim. But rachamim can be abused.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 11:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Babishka Says:

Yair Lapid is just applying policy that far-right politicians like Rand Paul, Ron Paul and Paul Ryan want to implement in the United States. Harming the poor is not going to make them go out and find good jobs, it will just cause the poor to suffer even more.

No. When you take away incentives to stay home, people work. I know people who are on these programs (non Jews and Jews) who say that if they would work, they would actually lose money. They wouldn't be able to get all the freebies and handouts that they now qualify for. So they doing even try. Their family business is standing in government offices looking for different programs to latch on to.
That is a broken system. That is what these politicians are trying to fix. The other side is just saying "give them more stuff" so why should they ever work?

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 11:48 AM DavidCohen Says:

Reply to #30  
Simple jew Says:

I have a problem with Lapid's plan that has nothing to do with Haredim. Yidden are supposed to be rachmanim bnei rachmanim. Who cares which Yid needs help, a haredi or someone who has not yet come to Torah and mitzvos. I don't see the various haredi charity organizations turning away non haredim. If the haredim need help Mr. Lapid, then help them. Don't simply cut their arms off and walk away complaining that they don't work..

Azov T'Azov IMO, you help those who want to help themselves, not those who sit waiting for others to take care of them.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 01:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

why did you even bother to add the words 'within the defines of halacha'? We understood where you are coming from. Don't try to water down your venom.

Because there is nothing in halacha that tells poor families they must continue to have babies they cannot afford to feed, house, clothe and educate with the understanding the public sector will keep paying their bills. That some Chareidi rabbonim keep perpetuating this insanity that keeps chareidi families in a perpetual state of poverty and saps the strength and vitality of bnos yisroel who have to assume the major burdens is an especially cruel act.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 01:49 PM rebbe123 Says:

Reply to #28  
IronMaiden Says:

If that is how you feel about your fellow Jews, then stop taking money from them. Stop taking housing, food, services, and security from the evil rishoyim which is what you consider your fellow Jew. Stop coming to houses and banging on doors and shaking fists full of coins in shul. You really shouldn't be going anywhere near these evil rishoyim fellow Jews, as they may be a bad influence on you. Perhaps you should learn to be more self-sufficient to protect yourself from, for instance, my evil grandmother who naively gives out tzaddaka every time a shnorrer bangs on her Flatbush door.

it's below the dignity of any normal human to have a discussion with a disgusting lowlife that calls his own grandmother EVIL!
YOU ARE THE LOOSER!

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
gabe_e12 Says:

Guess what HUD uses as it's formula to determine sizes of housing subsidies......if you guessed family size, you win! Now imagine telling all those larger families living in subsidized housing in the US that they're subsidy was going to be cut to match that of the 3-4 person family, and watch the riots begin.
Now all the liberal, anti-chareidi sheep's heads can explode due to the cognitive dissonance

Guess what for HUD you have to work. Its for low income families not no income.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 02:42 PM gabe_e12 Says:

Reply to #29  
IronMaiden Says:

He used the word "wean" correctly.

From the dictionary;
Wean
/wēn/
Verb

Accustom (an infant or other young mammal) to food other than its mother's milk.
Accustom (someone) to managing without something on which they have become dependent or of which they have become excessively fond.

"Accustom", exactly, not cut off at the knees! How long would a baby survive if you cut it off its mothers milk with no time to get accustomed to another source of nourishment? It is the commentor's gloating over "those damn chareidi parasites finally getting their due" , phrased as a weaning process that I found funny

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:

The charedi parasites who have 7, 9, 12 or more children; not like the people who only have the number they could afford.I read it differently The so call responsible ones who only have what they can afford as rather what they care to afford; meaning giving only so much for children and the rest for the so call good life. Also I have not read once where this rasha is cutting from sports, theatre, arts, travel etc etc, only from the evil haredi.

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 04:14 PM posaikacharon Says:

the issue here is not if lapid is right or wrong. even if he is right the fact of the matter is; NOBODY has done as much in the last few decades (since the yossele affair) to divide and pit up yid against yid, and ignite the flames of hatred, like this rasha! by calling them parasites who don't shoulder the burden (according to his opinion. but even if he isn't wrong) the animosity that charedim feel today is all his horrible doing. AND his clear intention!! there is no gehenom big enough for this ocher yisroel, and his cronies!

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 Jul 02, 2013 at 07:20 PM myth buster Says:

what the "benevolent" lapid and co. so conveniently forgot is; that medinat yisroel was "built ENTIRELY from handouts by Billions of diaspora dollars (a huge chunk of it from frum yidden). they are getting handouts from Uncle Sam to the tune of Billions of dollars a year. by their own definition, the whole state is one big tremendous parasite, and has no right to exist! what a shamefaced hypocrite!

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