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FILE - Tolna Rebbe (Wikimedia)Jerusalem - A recent mussar shmooze in Yidish given by the Tolna Rebbe of Jerusalem, Rabbi Yitzchok Menachem Weinberg, discusses with a sense of humor why Chazal tell us, (Jerusalem Talmud, Megillah 1:11) that the third Bais Hamikdash will descend from the heavens, fully built.

As audio tape posted by by Israeli news site, Bโ€™Chadrei Chareidim, (http://bit.ly/1obPbHk) the Tolna Rebbe describes what will happen in the times of Moshiach:

โ€œMy sons, Hakadosh Baruch Hu knows his yidden.  Imagine for yourselves that Moshiach is coming.  Letโ€™s try to picture for ourselves that we are standing now on a Motzei Shabbos and we all hear the sound of the shofar. Moshiach is here.

โ€œThe first thing that we need to do is to rebuild the Bais Hamikdash.  We all know how the chareidi world operates, Baruch Hashem.  Picture for yourselves how this Bais Hamikdash will be built.  Let me tell you what is going to happen.

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โ€œThe first ones who will enter the picture will be Agudas Yisroel who will say โ€˜Of course we are the ones who will build the Bais Hamikdash.  We are the ones who worry about all the needs of the chareidi community. Is there any doubt that we should be the ones in charge?โ€™  They will convene a whole assembly of gedolim in order to decide what needs to be done.

โ€œMeanwhile, Rโ€™ Meir Porush will come and say, โ€˜And what about me?  The Agudah represents everyone?  I want this to be under my auspices.โ€™  And then there will be a second group of Rabbonim discussing how to build the Bais Hamikdash.

โ€œThe Litvaks will come next and they will start to scream. โ€˜Gevald! The chasidism should build the Bais Hamikdash?  They will all be dancing because they donโ€™t know anything about the actual halachos of building the Bais Hamikdash.  They will offer to find one Kohein who actually knows the halachos of the avoda. But they will tell us:  โ€œfor this part, you are going to need the Kollel Chazon Ish.  For that part you are going to need the avreichim in Brisk.โ€  What are you, crazy?  We will build the Bais Hamikdash.โ€™

โ€œThen will come Satmar, from both sides, and they will say, โ€˜You are all Zionists!  You are unfit to build the Bais Hamikdash.โ€™

โ€œThe Chabadniks will also get involved.  โ€˜You are all crazy!  Moshiach is ours!  It is our Rebbe, our Moshiach, what are you talking about the Bais Hamikdash?  You are all insane.โ€™

โ€œYou understand that Moshiach will come and, nebuch, it will be another long galus just until we can all agree who will build the Bais Hamikdash.

Therefore, Hakadosh Baruch Hu has made the decision for us saying, โ€˜Listen to me, my children. It is enough for me that you will come to the Bais Hamikdash.  I will build it on my own, because there is no other way the Bais Hamikdash could ever be built.โ€™โ€

The Tolna Rebbe, Rabbi Yitzchak Menachem Weinberg, is a noted Scholar, leads the Tolna community in Jerusalem and is a sought after lecturer.



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1

 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:21 PM c Says:

It should only be soon in our days!

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:21 PM Moshe Says:

That is also the reason why ืœืขืชื™ื“ ืœื‘ื the ืกืขื•ื“ื” will be from the ืœื•ื™ืชืŸ, a fish, so there won't be any fighting over the ื›ืฉืจื•ืช.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:22 PM bubii Says:

The rebbes fantasy scenario overwhelms me oy gevalt.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:25 PM mossad Says:

Hahaha! Well said!

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:28 PM yochtzel Says:

Oiy vee git er zugt!!
if these Gedoilim would only see what joke they are!!
But the Tulna Rebbe would also think that for all reasons that he mentioned every 1 but him should be excluded from building.
We are all in big trouble, We are a flock of sheep in the wilderness with a bunch of drunk shepherds (if they are shepherds at all).

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:45 PM Facts1 Says:

No need to be so pessimistic, everyone will work together.

The light of Moshiach is a light to all nations and klal yisroel will be the first one to benefit.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

The Tolna is a smart man!

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 02:55 PM Sol Says:

Shlomo Hamelech said, that his father ordered him to eliminate all of his opponents and competitors, as soon as possible.
Then he went to a few Non-Jewish nations and had them build the Bais Hamikdosh.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 03:15 PM Mishelanu Says:

Couldnt agree more! The mishkan was built while all jews where one. They had no sects only some trouble makers called "erev rav".
But now we have more sects then jews.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 03:16 PM Shmagegie Says:

This is why Moshaich is going to be so hard to come bec the 3rd bais hamikdosh will only come when we'rea nnation. As 1. And if we keep on fighting like we hate each other it'll be hard for Moshaich to come bec we're not deserving of it. ย  we have to act as a team not against each other

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 03:36 PM grandpajoe Says:

it's a very sad thing but that is the truth - we have not grown at all - we have become wors than ever before - no one is worthy - there is soine yisroel anmoungt our own - Haraidi - no hareidi - frum not frum satmar not satmar - you have a nicer house why not me -
Until man is nicer to man - we will have all the problems taht we are exeperiencing from Shidduchim to ........

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 03:45 PM Zera Shel David Hamelech Says:

And what about us Sepharadim?
Baagala uBizman Karib.....

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 03:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Pray for a restoration of Temple Examples. We will not know if Hashem intends to make a third Temple in Jerusalem until it is done and it might be an asset of human understanding and trust in higher distinction. Words of the prophets are always a higher sorting of good hope and the words of true vision convene to indicate that Hashem has a better plan for our futures than just an era with the Temple for our own use. We can indeed observe our Laws and continue our Existence as Israel in The planet as Hashem has designed it today.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 04:09 PM AlbertEinstein Says:

The Rebbe's words would be funny, were they not sadly true.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 04:33 PM Anonymous Says:

the rebbe forgot the what king david said:
ื”ื™ื•ืฆืจ 'ื™ื—ื“ ืœื‘ื' ื”ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžืขืฉื™ื”ื

also what yermuyahu said:
ื ื—ืžื™ ื ื—ืžื™ ื™ืืžืจ 'ืขืžื™' ื“"ื, ื“ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ืงื‘"ื” ื™ื‘ื•ื ืขืžื• ื”ืžืœืš ื”ืžืฉื™ื—. ื‘"ื‘

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 04:34 PM RebKlemson Says:

he makes a good point. unfortunately i dont think the jews of today are ready or worthy of mashiach. we cant get along and were full of ourselves. its a chilul hashem just to watch how the chareidim operate, even the frummest and ehrlich of them fight like cats and dogs in all matters of religion and hashkafa.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 04:48 PM Anonymous Says:

What about the Conservative movement in Israel, you think they are going to be quiet? Of course not!

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 04:55 PM Secular Says:

It's an old Joke.


Reminds of the one where Hashem goes to the nations of the world and asks if they will receive the Torah...

He goes to Satmar..and they ask what's written in it ?and He answers Lo Tigzol.

He then goes to Chabad...they ask what's written in it? and He answers Lo Yihye LeCha Elohim Acherim...

He then goes to the Litvaks..they ask what's written it? and He says Six days you shall work...

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 05:03 PM "Chilukey Deos" is not a bad kind of "Machlokes" Says:

Throughout Jewish history, there were always different opinions among all Gedolay Yisroel. This difference in opinion, is not a bad thing. It's Hashems INTENTIONAL design to be that way and "Eilu Vaelu Dvrey Elokim Chayim" - all opinions are welcome and valid and are all part of Torah's Hashem and are not to be ridiculed nor to be looked down at as a "sad machlokes"

All of Mishen, Talmud Bavli and Talmud Yerushlmi have Machlokes and they are all part of Toras Hashem and should all be respected and welcomed

Today, too we have different elements of Yidden, Sefardim, Ashkenazim, Litvakes and Chassidim and non are "in error" - all are there by Hashgacha Protis, because it is Hashem's will, BY DESIGN (not an unfortunate accident) that Yidden serve Hashem in a DIVERSITY of different ways,and Kulam Ahuvim, by Hashem

But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself! and it will be one of the last things Moshiach will do. So the real "Machlokes" will not be about the Beis Hamikdash, rather the Machlokes will be "WHO IS MOSHIACH?", with each "party" wanting their own leader as Chazal say in Sanhedrin Daf 98b

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 05:14 PM VeyIzMir Says:

Not a problem. All things are made in China these days anyway...

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
yochtzel Says:

Oiy vee git er zugt!!
if these Gedoilim would only see what joke they are!!
But the Tulna Rebbe would also think that for all reasons that he mentioned every 1 but him should be excluded from building.
We are all in big trouble, We are a flock of sheep in the wilderness with a bunch of drunk shepherds (if they are shepherds at all).

at least one honest comment, thank you

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
yochtzel Says:

Oiy vee git er zugt!!
if these Gedoilim would only see what joke they are!!
But the Tulna Rebbe would also think that for all reasons that he mentioned every 1 but him should be excluded from building.
We are all in big trouble, We are a flock of sheep in the wilderness with a bunch of drunk shepherds (if they are shepherds at all).

notice how this Rebbe only mentions charedei people.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 05:50 PM Who is Moshiach? That's not even a question! Says:

Reply to #19  
"Chilukey Deos" is not a bad kind of "Machlokes" Says:

Throughout Jewish history, there were always different opinions among all Gedolay Yisroel. This difference in opinion, is not a bad thing. It's Hashems INTENTIONAL design to be that way and "Eilu Vaelu Dvrey Elokim Chayim" - all opinions are welcome and valid and are all part of Torah's Hashem and are not to be ridiculed nor to be looked down at as a "sad machlokes"

All of Mishen, Talmud Bavli and Talmud Yerushlmi have Machlokes and they are all part of Toras Hashem and should all be respected and welcomed

Today, too we have different elements of Yidden, Sefardim, Ashkenazim, Litvakes and Chassidim and non are "in error" - all are there by Hashgacha Protis, because it is Hashem's will, BY DESIGN (not an unfortunate accident) that Yidden serve Hashem in a DIVERSITY of different ways,and Kulam Ahuvim, by Hashem

But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself! and it will be one of the last things Moshiach will do. So the real "Machlokes" will not be about the Beis Hamikdash, rather the Machlokes will be "WHO IS MOSHIACH?", with each "party" wanting their own leader as Chazal say in Sanhedrin Daf 98b

Who is Moshiach, can't be a Machlokes.

Just go out in to the streets today, and ask anyone who he thinks (that "perhaps"), Moshiach is.

You will only find 1 candidate.

It's not a matter if you agree or not, because to begin with, there aren't even multiple candidates as stated in Sanhedrin 98b

Back in the days of Sanhedrin 98b, there were multiple candidates and multiple hopeful opinions among the followers, of different groups.

But today, there isn't even any Machlokes about who is the candidate? - there is only 1, which people talk about - even if they are not happy about it and even if they disagree.

The story is told (several decade ago) about a Poilishe Rebbe, (in the USA), where one of his prominent Chassidim complained to him, how can it be that there are "some yidden" who claim that "so and so" is the potential Moshiach of this generation?!?

The Poilishe Rebbe answered:

I know (for sure) that I am not Moshiach,

and you know (for sure) that you are not Moshiach,

and we ALL know that "someone" has to be Moshiach,

so why should anyone care?, if someone claims that it's "so and so", who will be Moshiach!

24

 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:

The Tolna Rebbe, shlita is incredibly smart and understands that the Ebeshter would never rely upon our current crop of so called "gadolim" to accomplish anything that requires achdus, cooperation and common sense. He discretely trashes them all saying the Ebeshter will bypass their predictable petty bickering and backstabbing and get it done efficiently on his own.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:07 PM Secular Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

the rebbe forgot the what king david said:
ื”ื™ื•ืฆืจ 'ื™ื—ื“ ืœื‘ื' ื”ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžืขืฉื™ื”ื

also what yermuyahu said:
ื ื—ืžื™ ื ื—ืžื™ ื™ืืžืจ 'ืขืžื™' ื“"ื, ื“ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื”ืงื‘"ื” ื™ื‘ื•ื ืขืžื• ื”ืžืœืš ื”ืžืฉื™ื—. ื‘"ื‘

Please, if you qoute Pesukim, quote them correctly!!

The Pasuk states: tehilim (33:15)

ื”ึทื™ึผึนืฆึตืจ ื™ึทื—ึทื“ ืœึดื‘ึผึธื; ื”ึทืžึผึตื‘ึดื™ืŸ, ืึถืœ-ื›ึผึธืœ-ืžึทืขึฒืฉื‚ึตื™ื”ึถื.


Furthermore it is Yishayah' (40:1) NOT Yirmiyah

ื ึทื—ึฒืžื•ึผ ื ึทื—ึฒืžื•ึผ, ืขึทืžึผึดื™--ื™ึนืืžึทืจ, ืึฑืœึนื”ึตื™ื›ึถื


Yo discredit your Rebbe's Torah by not quoting it correctly !

26

 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Pray for a restoration of Temple Examples. We will not know if Hashem intends to make a third Temple in Jerusalem until it is done and it might be an asset of human understanding and trust in higher distinction. Words of the prophets are always a higher sorting of good hope and the words of true vision convene to indicate that Hashem has a better plan for our futures than just an era with the Temple for our own use. We can indeed observe our Laws and continue our Existence as Israel in The planet as Hashem has designed it today.

Could you just please speak plain English....goodness, I've seen you before, you make me think....

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Who is Moshiach? That's not even a question! Says:

Who is Moshiach, can't be a Machlokes.

Just go out in to the streets today, and ask anyone who he thinks (that "perhaps"), Moshiach is.

You will only find 1 candidate.

It's not a matter if you agree or not, because to begin with, there aren't even multiple candidates as stated in Sanhedrin 98b

Back in the days of Sanhedrin 98b, there were multiple candidates and multiple hopeful opinions among the followers, of different groups.

But today, there isn't even any Machlokes about who is the candidate? - there is only 1, which people talk about - even if they are not happy about it and even if they disagree.

The story is told (several decade ago) about a Poilishe Rebbe, (in the USA), where one of his prominent Chassidim complained to him, how can it be that there are "some yidden" who claim that "so and so" is the potential Moshiach of this generation?!?

The Poilishe Rebbe answered:

I know (for sure) that I am not Moshiach,

and you know (for sure) that you are not Moshiach,

and we ALL know that "someone" has to be Moshiach,

so why should anyone care?, if someone claims that it's "so and so", who will be Moshiach!

Can't think of anyone....wonder who you have in mind.

28

 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:43 PM Ariel_Gold Says:

What terrible parroting cliches I see in the comments.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 06:50 PM The Tolner Rebbe wants us to relate to Moshiach, not as a Dream but as a Current Day Highly Probable Reality Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

The Tolna Rebbe, shlita is incredibly smart and understands that the Ebeshter would never rely upon our current crop of so called "gadolim" to accomplish anything that requires achdus, cooperation and common sense. He discretely trashes them all saying the Ebeshter will bypass their predictable petty bickering and backstabbing and get it done efficiently on his own.

I agree with #24 that the Tolna Rebbe is very smart, but for a different reason.

I think he wanted to get everyone focused on Bias Hamoshiach and be Mechazek everyone's Emuna and Bitochon and the Iker that it should a "Al Haseder Hayom" for everyone to talk about the subject so that people keep this subject in the foreground of their mind and as a living memory and even more so that we think about it in a very realistic, and down to earth present day potential reality, rather than far fetched dream, only in the background of our mind and only as a dream.

Picturing it all, how it would play it's self out, today, if it happened today, makes you feel the reality of it.

What better way, to get everyone to relate to Moshiach and to the Binyan Beis Hamikdash, as a current, very REAL potential reality, which could REALLY take place today, than by his presentation, which gets everyone to relate to it and to picture it, how it would realistically play it's self out, today, since it's very likely to happen today.

The Toler Rebbe has very effectively accomplished the above and for this effective achievement, he is indeed very smart.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 07:46 PM esther Says:

Reply to #29  
The Tolner Rebbe wants us to relate to Moshiach, not as a Dream but as a Current Day Highly Probable Reality Says:

I agree with #24 that the Tolna Rebbe is very smart, but for a different reason.

I think he wanted to get everyone focused on Bias Hamoshiach and be Mechazek everyone's Emuna and Bitochon and the Iker that it should a "Al Haseder Hayom" for everyone to talk about the subject so that people keep this subject in the foreground of their mind and as a living memory and even more so that we think about it in a very realistic, and down to earth present day potential reality, rather than far fetched dream, only in the background of our mind and only as a dream.

Picturing it all, how it would play it's self out, today, if it happened today, makes you feel the reality of it.

What better way, to get everyone to relate to Moshiach and to the Binyan Beis Hamikdash, as a current, very REAL potential reality, which could REALLY take place today, than by his presentation, which gets everyone to relate to it and to picture it, how it would realistically play it's self out, today, since it's very likely to happen today.

The Toler Rebbe has very effectively accomplished the above and for this effective achievement, he is indeed very smart.

there are other ways to promote awareness of moshiach's eminent arrival. the above comments seem to praise this rebbe for his honesty but really,not every truth needs to said,kal v'chomer by a rebbe. insulting different groups of yidden can only cause more divisiveness.

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 07:54 PM why-not Says:

Interesting to see how many of the above comments continue to bash all the different groups. Very few positive comments

32

 Feb 10, 2014 at 08:44 PM HankM Says:

We all know the real truth, only the Syrians will build the Bet Hamikdash

33

 Feb 10, 2014 at 09:57 PM anon Says:

Sad, this is a rebbe nowadays? A person whose entire schmooze is lashon harah. How far have we fallen?

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 Feb 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM c Says:

Reply to #23  
Who is Moshiach? That's not even a question! Says:

Who is Moshiach, can't be a Machlokes.

Just go out in to the streets today, and ask anyone who he thinks (that "perhaps"), Moshiach is.

You will only find 1 candidate.

It's not a matter if you agree or not, because to begin with, there aren't even multiple candidates as stated in Sanhedrin 98b

Back in the days of Sanhedrin 98b, there were multiple candidates and multiple hopeful opinions among the followers, of different groups.

But today, there isn't even any Machlokes about who is the candidate? - there is only 1, which people talk about - even if they are not happy about it and even if they disagree.

The story is told (several decade ago) about a Poilishe Rebbe, (in the USA), where one of his prominent Chassidim complained to him, how can it be that there are "some yidden" who claim that "so and so" is the potential Moshiach of this generation?!?

The Poilishe Rebbe answered:

I know (for sure) that I am not Moshiach,

and you know (for sure) that you are not Moshiach,

and we ALL know that "someone" has to be Moshiach,

so why should anyone care?, if someone claims that it's "so and so", who will be Moshiach!

Who, pray tell, is this one obvious candidate? No one else aside from you seems to find it so obvious.

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 01:34 AM Shmagegie Says:

Reply to #19  
"Chilukey Deos" is not a bad kind of "Machlokes" Says:

Throughout Jewish history, there were always different opinions among all Gedolay Yisroel. This difference in opinion, is not a bad thing. It's Hashems INTENTIONAL design to be that way and "Eilu Vaelu Dvrey Elokim Chayim" - all opinions are welcome and valid and are all part of Torah's Hashem and are not to be ridiculed nor to be looked down at as a "sad machlokes"

All of Mishen, Talmud Bavli and Talmud Yerushlmi have Machlokes and they are all part of Toras Hashem and should all be respected and welcomed

Today, too we have different elements of Yidden, Sefardim, Ashkenazim, Litvakes and Chassidim and non are "in error" - all are there by Hashgacha Protis, because it is Hashem's will, BY DESIGN (not an unfortunate accident) that Yidden serve Hashem in a DIVERSITY of different ways,and Kulam Ahuvim, by Hashem

But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself! and it will be one of the last things Moshiach will do. So the real "Machlokes" will not be about the Beis Hamikdash, rather the Machlokes will be "WHO IS MOSHIACH?", with each "party" wanting their own leader as Chazal say in Sanhedrin Daf 98b

But within all these groups there's more groups and in those groups thers more. If it was like back in the day that would be true. But now adays all these groups bend the rules a little bit. Your telling me that back in the day everyone would have agreed to all the things we're doing now? I mean I dont and im not the most kosher guy out there or I wasnt the most kosher guy out there but common you cant compare those days to these days

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 02:36 AM Tolna Says:

the tolna rebbe also gave recently a shmooz how crazy the rebbe's have become, all fighting to make it on the front page of kol holom kilo...

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 04:35 AM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #19  
"Chilukey Deos" is not a bad kind of "Machlokes" Says:

Throughout Jewish history, there were always different opinions among all Gedolay Yisroel. This difference in opinion, is not a bad thing. It's Hashems INTENTIONAL design to be that way and "Eilu Vaelu Dvrey Elokim Chayim" - all opinions are welcome and valid and are all part of Torah's Hashem and are not to be ridiculed nor to be looked down at as a "sad machlokes"

All of Mishen, Talmud Bavli and Talmud Yerushlmi have Machlokes and they are all part of Toras Hashem and should all be respected and welcomed

Today, too we have different elements of Yidden, Sefardim, Ashkenazim, Litvakes and Chassidim and non are "in error" - all are there by Hashgacha Protis, because it is Hashem's will, BY DESIGN (not an unfortunate accident) that Yidden serve Hashem in a DIVERSITY of different ways,and Kulam Ahuvim, by Hashem

But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself! and it will be one of the last things Moshiach will do. So the real "Machlokes" will not be about the Beis Hamikdash, rather the Machlokes will be "WHO IS MOSHIACH?", with each "party" wanting their own leader as Chazal say in Sanhedrin Daf 98b

"But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself!"

Do you actually utilize the terminology of ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ for this event which has nothing whatsoever to do with ื”ืœื›ื”? We generally use the term ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ only when it refers to ืžืฆื•ื•ืช and ืื™ืกื•ืจื™ื that are ื ื•ื’ืข to us Jews, not when it refers to what ืžืฉื™ื— ืฆื“ืงื ื• will do with a ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ. Correct terminology to a ืชืœืžื™ื“ ื—ื›ื is very important.

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 04:54 AM bewhiskered Says:

"Then will come Satmar, from both sides, and they will say, โ€˜You are all Zionists! You are unfit to build the Bais Hamikdash."

You know, real ืชืœืžื™ื“ื™ ื—ื›ืžื™ื have better things to talk about.

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 01:28 PM Rambam'y Yad Hacahzak is ONLY Hlacha and only "Piskey Dinim" Says:

Reply to #37  
bewhiskered Says:

"But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself!"

Do you actually utilize the terminology of ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ for this event which has nothing whatsoever to do with ื”ืœื›ื”? We generally use the term ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ only when it refers to ืžืฆื•ื•ืช and ืื™ืกื•ืจื™ื that are ื ื•ื’ืข to us Jews, not when it refers to what ืžืฉื™ื— ืฆื“ืงื ื• will do with a ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ. Correct terminology to a ืชืœืžื™ื“ ื—ื›ื is very important.

The Rambam's Yad Hachazaka, is only Piskey Dinim and you can be Medayek in every single word, as All Poskim build even on Diyukim of one word in the Rambam, al achas kama vekama an Inyan Ikry of the Halochos of Moshiach which are in many ways even more important than any other Halochos

In any other Halochos, if a person unfortunately has an issue of Emuna in it, he is considered a Kofer only in regard to the one thing but the Rambam's Paskens that anyone who is lacking in Emuna in Moshiach, is not only a Kofer in Moshiach but a Kofer in Kol Hatorah Kula - and as such and theretofore the correct Emunah and it's Halachic criteria are even more important LEHALACHA, than anything else

At the end of Hilchos Melochim, the Rambam PASKENS LEHALACHA all the criteria of Moshiach which are nogea LEHALACHA (because anyone who will not accept it, is a KOFER LEHALACHA)

The Rambam mentions only those aspects which are for sure LEHALACHA and leaves out anything pertaining to Moshiach, which is not nogeah Lehalacha

The Klal in Poskim is that any Halacha in the Rambam's Yad Hachazaka, where no other Posek argues against the Rambam - all Poskim agree the Halacha is like the Rambam

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 Feb 11, 2014 at 04:46 PM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #39  
Rambam'y Yad Hacahzak is ONLY Hlacha and only "Piskey Dinim" Says:

The Rambam's Yad Hachazaka, is only Piskey Dinim and you can be Medayek in every single word, as All Poskim build even on Diyukim of one word in the Rambam, al achas kama vekama an Inyan Ikry of the Halochos of Moshiach which are in many ways even more important than any other Halochos

In any other Halochos, if a person unfortunately has an issue of Emuna in it, he is considered a Kofer only in regard to the one thing but the Rambam's Paskens that anyone who is lacking in Emuna in Moshiach, is not only a Kofer in Moshiach but a Kofer in Kol Hatorah Kula - and as such and theretofore the correct Emunah and it's Halachic criteria are even more important LEHALACHA, than anything else

At the end of Hilchos Melochim, the Rambam PASKENS LEHALACHA all the criteria of Moshiach which are nogea LEHALACHA (because anyone who will not accept it, is a KOFER LEHALACHA)

The Rambam mentions only those aspects which are for sure LEHALACHA and leaves out anything pertaining to Moshiach, which is not nogeah Lehalacha

The Klal in Poskim is that any Halacha in the Rambam's Yad Hachazaka, where no other Posek argues against the Rambam - all Poskim agree the Halacha is like the Rambam

"At the end of Hilchos Melochim, the Rambam PASKENS LEHALACHA all the criteria of Moshiach which are nogea LEHALACHA "

In your prior post, you wrote, "But he forgets the Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself! "

Is ืžืฉื™ื— going to build the ื‘ื™ืช ื”ืžืงื“ืฉ (if that's what the ืจืžื‘"ื really meant) a matter of a ืคืกืง ื“ื™ืŸ? My post as to your incorrect usage of ืœืฉื•ืŸ ื—ื–"ืœ was addressed to your statement of, "Psak Din of the Rambam LEHALACHA that the Beis Hamikdash will be built by Moshiach himself!" That's not a matter of ื”ื•ืจืื”. .

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 Feb 19, 2014 at 08:15 AM LisaLiel Says:

What's bothering me is the reference to Yerushalmi Megillah 1:11. Nowhere there does it say anything about the Mikdash "falling from Shamayim". On the contrary, we are obligated to build it.

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