New York – Last night on the Zev Brenner radio show Dr. Avraham Pollack president of the Baltimore-based Star-K, was asked their position of, Chabad messianist shochtim. Would the Star K hire them? Approve their shechita?
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Dr. Pollack answered that we look for ‘Yerai Shomayim’ shoctim and chabad has many of them that are ‘Erlich’, however if one of the shochtim claim openly ‘Yechi Adoneinu Moreinu V’Rabbeinu Melech HaMoshiach’ that is definitely a red flag and will most likely not be hired by us.
didnt he learn this weeks pirkei ovos? binfoil oivechoo al tismoch……….. what a shame
Would “Dr.” Pollack eat at their Chabad House if he were stuck somewhere in Timbuktu?
Dr. Pollack might eat in a Chabad house, but that is a personal choice. As for the public, they are demanding that standard, and the StarK is obliging.
Anon 9:41 he was just responding to a question.
Rav Shach was way ahead of the curve on Chabad.
All the great Gedolim realized the major potential problem of the Lubavitcher Rebbe at least tacitly acknowledging his potential messianic status.
Dr. Pollak is a yerei shomayim.
yo meshichistan get ur act together and grow up first the shvatze r the problem now the star k go get urself a life and stop blaming and attaking the world
how many of shachs followers have taken adavantage of chabad houses or its facilities while traveling? please make a poll of all those that are antichabad and what uses they have made of chabad.
This ‘Chabad House’ talking point should be reserved for the worst case scenario.
I was stuck in Tenessee for a night w/out any food whatsoever, and was invited by a local Chabad Rabbi, but I didn’t eat a thing out of fear that he’s Meshichist (perhaps an Oived Avoideh Zura r’l) So don’t give me the “if you’re stuck” argument. We oughta do what’s right regardless to the ‘stuck’ point.
where does it say if I believe the rebbe is going to be mashiach that its avoida zoro
“Nisht Kein Chuchem” is an understatement. The Mishna says that one who lacks the qualities of a Chuchem… is a Gollem!
10:29 “how many of shachs followers have taken adavantage of chabad houses or its facilities while traveling? please make a poll of all those that are antichabad and what uses they have made of chabad.”
You know what I wish there would be a guide as to who the meschistim are and I would be willing to gaurantee tha most frum yidden would in fact not eat there unless the food is double wrapped
as in an airplane. It may be a good idea for all the gedolim to actually come out in public on this & have no fear of these off the derech cultist meshugoyim. Let’s call a spade a spade.
Till a list comes out, we need to assume that every Chabad House maybe a sofek Meschichist
& not trustworthy. There needs to be a BIG sign in front of every legitimate Chabad House “WE ARE NOT MESHICHISTIM WE ARE REAL JEWS” If they don’t denounce this garbage then nobody should even drink water there. We need to boycot these morons that dress like yidden they are in fact cultist missionaries.
wow! this is bad …why is evry lubob getting so bent up? rabbi pollack only said MOST LIKELYnot be hired by us!!!!! 25% od lubab believe that the mishichist position is wrong and destructive. im one of them.
10:45, I smell defeat by your attack on my alias rather than my concept… vd’l.
doesnt it say somewhere you should watch out for your life, ummmmmmmmmm oh dummy that doesnt count here because he starved himself?????????????????????????????????????????????????
i thought you guys beleived in everything it says everywhere not just selective beleiving.
stupid stupid stupid, its a shame more people like you dont starve themselves ona daily basis there would be less haters in this world.
that is one of the main problems with the Rubashkin shochtim!
Kudos to Rabbi Belsky & Rabbi Pollack & all those with some stature that have the backbone to say in public what needs to be said without fear regarding these dangerous meshichistim.
I think we need to have Hashgochas on meat that
also specifies that they only hire (lubav) Shochtim that denounce the meshichistim.
Let the consumers have the choice if they want to eat from shechita of meshichistim.
in reality I have a feW level headed shluchim friends who are closet mishchistim.. they do maintain kashrus (high-paying) assignmnts with the OU
All of you who are going against Chabad after the histalkus of the Rebbe; maybe you need a reminder, that while the Rebbe was around, you use to bash him with horrible nivul peh I witnessed this on many occasions.
Whats the difference now?
NOBODY bashed Chabad here.
Almost everyone is smart enough to differentiate between Chabad & Meschistism which is a new religion that is trying to hijack Chabad & is giving it a bad name.
Vin posts the news – this was news – that a prominent Rov came out & said in response to a very valid question the real emes.
I hope VIN continues to post the news & not just
weather.
I am addressing this to what we still hope are the minority who still think he is alivr & or that he is moshiach. This is not addressed towards any co-workers, friends, etc., who have remained sane.
Dead people buried under a major thick slab of concrete are NOT moshiach! Get that thru your uneducated in judiasm heads already.
Oh 1029, that would be Rav Shach to you as I am 1000% sure he forgot more than you you will ever know.
Face the facts, he was not a g-d and he is DEAD.
the rebbi may have been moshiach when he was alive. now that he has passed on I think they need rethink this status. and not just defend it because that is what they beleived all his life. hashem should give them the seichel hayoshor to see into this.
25% od lubab believe that the mishichist position is wrong and destructive.
SO THAT EQUALS %75 DON’T SEE A BIG DEAL WITH IT!!! MORE THAN ROV!!!
BESIDES ANYONE WHO DOESN’T SEE WHAT WRONG WITH MESHICHISM IS A SHOTEH AND THEREFORE PASUL, OR WORSE IS PROBABLY A CLOSET HIMSELF
To All the ignorant people attacking Lubavitch out there…
Why don’t you learn Mesechtes Sanhedrin and see for yourself that “Moshiach does NOT need to be from the living”.
If you don’t accept this basic concept you are a Koifer (heretic) B’torah U’Bmoshe Avdoi!!!
There is NO Halachik problem believing that Moshiach is from Olom Hoemes.
Look it up. See it for yourself. Learn what Toras Moshe has to say about it and only then can you form an opinion based on Daas Torah.
P.S. Snahedrin daf Tzadik Ches umud Beis: Im Meoison shechayin achshov haynu rabeinu hakodosh…….
It wasnt just Rav Shach. the Brisker Rav once said “Er shmekt fun moshiach”.
Put the Moshiach issue aside, all of you will find someway to find somethings posul with Chabad.
“Face the facts, he was not a g-d and he is DEAD.”
Do most of you people posting here think Moshiach is Hashem? You need to do a little reading. Start with the Rambam. Moshiach will be a man. It is NOT apikorsis to say that so and so is Moshiach.
It may be wrong, it may be silly, it may even be dangerously misguided to say ploni is Moshiach. But it is not avodah zorah and it doesn’t posul a shochet or anyone else.
As some have said, the problem with the mishichistim is that they are off the derech generally, not with the ikar inyan that the Rebbe of Chabad could be Moshiach. Who knows? I’m personally not a Lubavitcher and I’m not threatened by the possibility. I would rather Moshiach would come and I don’t personally care WHO he is only that Moshiach come ASAP in our days!
“Dead people buried under a major thick slab of concrete are NOT moshiach!”
Give us a mekor for this? I think you missed a couple of days worth of learning.
Stop bashing everyone else and start working on your own avodah….this will surely bring the REAL MOSHIACH and then we will all get to see who he is!
I just posted 11:44 wanted to say Litvak ben Litvak from Lakewood thanks for bringing that gemorah I couldn’t remember where it was. Shkoiach on your other comments.
if the rebe is moshiach y does he let the shvartze beet his followers??
Anyone who is alive or has died, has the potential of being the future Moshiach, as shall be determined by Hashem. Saying that ploni almoni WAS or IS the Moshiach, is an attempt to trump Hashem c”v. THAT is apikorsus. And to claim that someone was Moshiach, and died, and will return to complete his Moshiach job, THAT is xtianity!!
If we would LEAVE THE MOSHICH ISSUE ALONE FOR A WHILE and channel all that super energy and enthusiasm into ahavas yisroel ( nonetheless to our fellow lubavitchers!!!!! ) we would be a very pleasing force to all our fellow frum yidden , to the nations and to Hashem. WHAT PUZZLES ME THE MOST is : that years ago… I would always see people who would be asked to sum-up the Rebbe in one word it would “ he’s all about ahavas yisroel!!!!” SOMETHING SEEMS TO HAVE GONE TERRIBLY AMISS!!!!! Lets stop focusing so much on moshiach !!!
To 11:44 AM,
I think the problem people have with messianic Lubobs is not that the Rebbe can’t be Moshiach, it’s that a lot of these guys believe no one else can be the moshiach. This was not so problematic when he was alive, because everyone believes their leader to be the godol of the generation. But after he is dead why should he be the Moshiach as opposed to Moshe Rabbienu, the Avos, etc.? Whether they are Apikorsim, Mishigoyim or something else is up to debate, but if you could find more normal Shochtim, why hire these guys?
ALL THE CHABADNIKS USE THE RAMBAM AS THE FOREMOST TEXT DEALING WITH MOSHIACH!! AS FAR AS I REMEMBER (I DO LEARN RAMBAM EVERY DAY) RAMBAM EXPLICITLY STATES THAT IS NOT OUR PLACE TO THINK TOO DEEPLY INTO / OR TO FIGURE OUT WHO’S MOSHIACH .. IF WE DON’T STOP WE ARE GOING TO SELF DESTRUCT….
Once again the Hate Mongers have their food for the day.
BY THE WAY CAN ANY OF THE HATE MONGERS POST ONE (JUST ONE) MAREH MOKOM SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT IT IS BASED ON THAT LUBAVITCHERS WHO BELIEVE THE REBBE IS MOSHIACH ARE APIKORSIM
May Hashem help people start internalizing the Torah they learn.
That gemoro says that if moshiach if from someone that died it would be Doniel Ish Chamudos, no-one else.
To believe that the last rebbe is Moshiach,is avodo zoro. When the time comes,may it be soon,we will know.In the meantime we must do our mitzvohs,learn Torah and daven,and treat each other with respect. A Rov has every right and the responsibility to monitor the hashkofos of his shochtim. Those who believe in false philosophies cannot be properly trusted to do shechita and to teach Torah.
Anonymous Says:
Would “Dr.” Pollack eat at their Chabad House if he were stuck somewhere in Timbuktu?
05-25-2008 – 9:50 AM
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Are you asking a bedeeeved question or a lechatchila question . Getting stucj somewhere is a bideeeved. Would you eat a piece of pas palter if you were stuck and starving would u serve a piece of non glatt but kosher meat to your wife and kids if your were stuck in a dessert iosland? i hope your answer is yes other wise you fall into the category of a chasid shoytah.
Just about every chassidis today would love to think that thier rebbe is moshiach . The only difference is they dont verbalize the way the lubabs do and frankly halachikly thier is nothing wrong with that . And certainly does not make them kofrim.
If you just decide on your own who moshiach is or isn’t without Daas Torah than you could start your own religion, and leave yidishkeit out of it.
However the Lubavitchers have sources in Toras Moshe that says clearly Moshioach could be from the Olom Hoemes.
For Example: the gemora in sanhedrin.
SHACH WAS DENIED THE OPORTUNITY TO BE ROSH YESHIVA IN LUBAVITCH THERFORE HIS HATRED TOWARDS THEM.
Have y’all noticed, if you have any criticism for Chabad you are “ingorant” or a Chabad hater.
Regular Jews are not permitted to disagree with anything Chabad. We are not permitted to follow the opinions of OUR rebbes or rebbonim.
We must approve of Chabad or be evil.
And, yes, I do travel. I have davened at Chabad houses around the world. But, first I speak to the Shaliach. If he is a strong Meshichist, I avoid the place.
Even when they are not, I would NOT eat the food at most Chabad houses. I would rather eat a can of tuna for Shabbos, than eat Agri products.
And NO, I am not a Chabad hater. and NO, I am not a misnaged … but to Chabad I must be a snag.
Another way that I choose if I should daven at a Chabad house, is to ask how many people will be at the minyan. If there are at least 20 men, I can assume that 10 may be Jewish and Shomer Shabbos. If there are only 10 – 15 total men, I am afraid there may not be a truly kosher minyan.
The word ignorant is a great description for almost all of these posters.
Rav Shach was criticizing the rebbe long before any mishichist issues were around.
And the saying “Talk is cheap” is for everyone here saying that they wouldn’t eat at a shliachs house if he was a “suspected mishichist”.
I would rather believe the countless stories I heard of people eating at shluchims houses even if they fully disagreed with his beliefs.
people always had issues with chabad. moshiach is just another excuse & soon they will jump on the wagon. Look in the gmarah, all talmidim said their rebbe was moshiach (sanhedrin).
Where does it say believing the rebbe is moshiach is avoda zara?
Granted, Moshiach can be a dead person.
What about the claim that he’s still alive? Mature men staying in line with cups in their hands for an empty seat to pour kos shel brucha…!?! (what a sight..) The Rebbe is DEAD!! Isn’t this Avoideh Zura?? Then what is?
People doing that are not Lubavitch.
The Average Lubavitcher believes his Rebbe Is Moshiach, but they don’t wait in line as you describe it.
It’s non the less NOT Avoda Zora.
Just because somone sets up a Chabad outpost & has a beard doesn’t in any way make him reliable
& trustworthy if he is an apikorus.
I am sure all agree with that.
The question is only IS he an apikorus or not and what makes one an apikorus.
I think that if someone believes that the REBBE
IS STILL ALIVE and THAT HE IS MOSHIACH & GIVE HIM AN ALIYA etc (they haven’t tried hagbah yet)
Then this either is apikorsus or certainly borders on it At least they are certified idiots.
I assume a shochet can’t be an imbecile nor an apikorus. Even if this is not specifically codified in the shulchan oruch I think many if not most people would be uncomfortable relying
on a crazy person to do ther shechita.
I have no problem with a chabad fellow wishing that when Moshiach finally does come that he HOPES that the Rebbe will be it.
He was one of greatest gedolim in our times & I’m sure he would have had a chance had he not allowed and even perhaps encouraged his flock
to treat him like Moshiach.
The real Moshicach I think would be humble & protest his people from proclaiming him Moshiach prematurely. It is not a very bright thing to do as it leads to the misguided cultism which eventually inevitably will result in these Meschichistim breaking away (probably by force) from mainstream normal Chabad & they will be nebech lost to Yiddishkeit forever.
Who is responsible for that ?
Waiting for a Torah Written Mokor why Chabad are Apikursim? Anyone? It seems so strange that for all the talk no one can produce a single written Mokor.
???????? It makes me wonder whether the accusers are the ones distorting the Torah????????
About 2000 years ago, some people believed on someone to be the meshiach, & then he was crucified. And they still believe to this curent day that he will return as moshiach. Do u know who they are?!
yes u guessed: “notzrim” !
I’m not comparing anything, just pointing out, where this could get you!