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Published on: May 30, 2014 03:55 PM
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New York - Following a barrage of publicity in both the Jewish and secular media, Agudath Israel of America has released an official statement this afternoon clarifying the Novominsker Rebbe Rabbi Yaakov Perlow’s address at the organization’s annual dinner this week.

The Agudah took the New York Times to task for its suggestion that the Novominsker had criticized Conservative and Reform Jews, saying that Rabbi Perlow, who is a member of the organization’s Council of Torah Sages and serves as the Rosh Agudath Israel, was misquoted.

“Rabbi Perlow’s focus was on Reform and Conservative Judaism, not on Reform and Conservative Jews - on ideologies, not on people.  Indeed, the main focus of his remarks was on a movement that calls itself Orthodox - “Open Orthodoxy” - yet has also crossed boundaries that have long established the parameters of normative Jewish practice and belief.”

The Agudah reiterated its belief that there can be no Jewish future for those who forsake the foundations of Judaism and expressed its view that the Novominsker’s remarks came out of his love for his fellow Jews, even those who may be misled by their religious leaders.

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“Precisely because of such love and concern, Agudath Israel believes that it is incumbent upon those who care about their fellow Jews and the Jewish future to call attention to the dangers of deviation from classical Judaism, to prevent what Rabbi Perlow referred to as Jews “fall[ing] into an abyss of intermarriage and assimilation.”



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 May 30, 2014 at 04:02 PM charliehall Says:

"has also crossed boundaries"

Yeah, they disagree with Rabbi Perlow.

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:15 PM HeshyEmes Says:

This is the e-mail I sent to the writer of the NYT article who criticized Di Blasio for not "walking out" of the Agudah Dinner after the Novominsker Rebbe spoke:

Sir,

I am no fan of the Agudah, but what did Rabbi Perlow say that you find issue with, and expect Mayor De Blasio to walk out on or at least object?

Rabbi Perlow condemns the Conservative and Reform leadership for subverting and destroying the eternal values of Judaism & predicts their relegation to the dustbins of Jewish History. Rabbi Perlow cites intermarriage & assimilation as the reason for his conclusion.

Regardless if one is in the minority in NYC & practices Orthodox Judaism, or is in the majority who does not, can any intelligent person believe that assimilation and intermarriage will NOT cause the practice and future of a religion's demise?

Certainly the "eternal values" of Judaism, (whatever they may be, one assumes that they are specific to Judaism) will terminate if future generations of today's Reform and Conservative Jews continue assimilating and intermarrying.

H S

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:19 PM HeshyEmes Says:

This is the e-mail I sent to the writer of the NYT article who criticized Di Blasio for not "walking out" of the Agudah Dinner after the Novominsker Rebbe spoke:

Sir,

I am no fan of the Agudah, but what did Rabbi Perlow say that you find issue with, and expect Mayor De Blasio to walk out on or at least object?

Rabbi Perlow condemns the Conservative and Reform leadership for subverting and destroying the eternal values of Judaism & predicts their relegation to the dustbins of Jewish History. Rabbi Perlow cites intermarriage & assimilation as the reason for his conclusion.

Regardless if one is in the minority in NYC & practices Orthodox Judaism, or is in the majority who does not, can any intelligent person believe that assimilation and intermarriage will NOT cause the practice and future of a religion's demise?

Certainly the "eternal values" of Judaism, (whatever they may be, one assumes that they are specific to Judaism) will terminate if future generations of today's Reform and Conservative Jews continue assimilating and intermarrying.

H S

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:23 PM Anonymous Says:

It's pretty straight forward: conservative and reform promote assimilation. Their 'rabbis' perform intermarriges with glee. They pander to what society wants. This is not Judaism. It's a made up one that has taken certain outward customs of Judaism. Let's be honest here for a sec. But alas we live in a world where falsities reign supreme. Hence we need statements on top of statements.

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:30 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #2  
HeshyEmes Says:

This is the e-mail I sent to the writer of the NYT article who criticized Di Blasio for not "walking out" of the Agudah Dinner after the Novominsker Rebbe spoke:

Sir,

I am no fan of the Agudah, but what did Rabbi Perlow say that you find issue with, and expect Mayor De Blasio to walk out on or at least object?

Rabbi Perlow condemns the Conservative and Reform leadership for subverting and destroying the eternal values of Judaism & predicts their relegation to the dustbins of Jewish History. Rabbi Perlow cites intermarriage & assimilation as the reason for his conclusion.

Regardless if one is in the minority in NYC & practices Orthodox Judaism, or is in the majority who does not, can any intelligent person believe that assimilation and intermarriage will NOT cause the practice and future of a religion's demise?

Certainly the "eternal values" of Judaism, (whatever they may be, one assumes that they are specific to Judaism) will terminate if future generations of today's Reform and Conservative Jews continue assimilating and intermarrying.

H S

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:48 PM charliehall Says:

Reply to #2  
HeshyEmes Says:

This is the e-mail I sent to the writer of the NYT article who criticized Di Blasio for not "walking out" of the Agudah Dinner after the Novominsker Rebbe spoke:

Sir,

I am no fan of the Agudah, but what did Rabbi Perlow say that you find issue with, and expect Mayor De Blasio to walk out on or at least object?

Rabbi Perlow condemns the Conservative and Reform leadership for subverting and destroying the eternal values of Judaism & predicts their relegation to the dustbins of Jewish History. Rabbi Perlow cites intermarriage & assimilation as the reason for his conclusion.

Regardless if one is in the minority in NYC & practices Orthodox Judaism, or is in the majority who does not, can any intelligent person believe that assimilation and intermarriage will NOT cause the practice and future of a religion's demise?

Certainly the "eternal values" of Judaism, (whatever they may be, one assumes that they are specific to Judaism) will terminate if future generations of today's Reform and Conservative Jews continue assimilating and intermarrying.

H S

This was clearly not what Rabbi Perlow was trying to say. There would have been no reason to invite a whole lot of non-Jewish politicians had this been his message. His message was really that the non-Jewish politicians had better follow him and not his religious enemies.

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 May 30, 2014 at 04:58 PM WITW Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

what has one to do with the other. Promoting and allowing intermarriage etc. is openly going against the torah. No one said that the're are no problems within the orthodox community.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:03 PM ?????? Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

The whole idea that the're are people who think they can criticize the Novominsker Rebbe shlit"a is mind boggling. A person who besides being a masmid nifloah (up at 4 AM!!!), and an Eved hashem, the Rebbe is dedicated to Klal Yisroel at a level that's amazing. I can go on and on but I think you get the point.

I understand why Agudah felt a need to send out a "clarifying", but to see people talk about one of the gedolei hador like that is scary.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:07 PM favish Says:

novemisnsker rebbe doesn't need 'defending' just like he wouldn't need defending if he'd talk against those who propegate chillul shabbos etc. and yes he should expose individuals....'meisis umadiach have to be exposed. remember what happened to to tanaium who were chinef yanai hamailech

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:09 PM favish Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

It's pretty straight forward: conservative and reform promote assimilation. Their 'rabbis' perform intermarriges with glee. They pander to what society wants. This is not Judaism. It's a made up one that has taken certain outward customs of Judaism. Let's be honest here for a sec. But alas we live in a world where falsities reign supreme. Hence we need statements on top of statements.

is that the only aveirah? they don't believe in relavation misini, not even in divinity . thy are les than Christians who believe

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:12 PM frimeyid Says:

Reply to #6  
charliehall Says:

This was clearly not what Rabbi Perlow was trying to say. There would have been no reason to invite a whole lot of non-Jewish politicians had this been his message. His message was really that the non-Jewish politicians had better follow him and not his religious enemies.

That was clearly not his message. You really think that he was telling BdB to "follow him" whatever that means?!?! It was a dinner to support and promote the Agudah as one of the leading organizations representing Orthodox Judaism, not to tell any non-jewish politicians to do anything. Stop hating on him and Agudah. If you have legitimate gripes with Orthodox Judiasm or Jews, grow up and state them clearly. We don't read minds.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:15 PM favish Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

your kind of statement which we find in these kind of topics is so dumb. if there is such organization that come out as their policy that molestation is ok, that stealing is ok etc etc of course we'd condem it.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:17 PM LShaimShamayim Says:

Our Rabbonim are supposed to stand up for what they believe is the Torah truth even when it will be frowned upon by Western society. The Novominsker Rebbe shlit"a did nothing more than that.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
charliehall Says:

"has also crossed boundaries"

Yeah, they disagree with Rabbi Perlow.

Charlie,

You are just being dishonest again.

What part of normative orthodox Judiasim includes having baptist ministers signing and dancing in the temple as part of services?

And that is just the small part.

Look at how the gedolim of the Modern Orthodox community speak out about the ליצנים of HIR and YCT. I am sure you have read what Rabbi Twerski & Rabbi Shachter hove written about the oo movement. Movement away from Torah.

The great OO whose פסקים are from their deep study of גוגל. False morality that is in absolute contradiction to the true morality as written in the Torah.

Feh on them and feh on you.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:18 PM out of town-er Says:

Reply to #1  
charliehall Says:

"has also crossed boundaries"

Yeah, they disagree with Rabbi Perlow.

don't worry so much , he did not crossed any boundaries , he just said so for

one simple reason ..........

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:25 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #11  
frimeyid Says:

That was clearly not his message. You really think that he was telling BdB to "follow him" whatever that means?!?! It was a dinner to support and promote the Agudah as one of the leading organizations representing Orthodox Judaism, not to tell any non-jewish politicians to do anything. Stop hating on him and Agudah. If you have legitimate gripes with Orthodox Judiasm or Jews, grow up and state them clearly. We don't read minds.

Orthodox judaism has to many faults of its own to lecture the majority of 90 per cent who are not orthodox,if orthodoxy would be a solution to what ails the jews then everyone would practice it, the reason 90 per cent dont practice it is because it is not practical with all its nonsensical chumras it is silly to say the least.

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 May 30, 2014 at 05:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
charliehall Says:

This was clearly not what Rabbi Perlow was trying to say. There would have been no reason to invite a whole lot of non-Jewish politicians had this been his message. His message was really that the non-Jewish politicians had better follow him and not his religious enemies.

Charlie,

Enough of the hogwash. Or are you really that stupid that you actually believe what you are saying?

Is it because that is the MO of the Ozo? To insert them sem selves in politics against the Torah as that avaryon, Avi Weiss did in Israel when they tried to stop him from creating ממזרים?

As he did when he wrote his article in the NY Slimes, that anti Israel, anti frum rag?
Though Avelah and his little pusillanimous sidekick Ari Hate are not sure what to do since the NY Skimes fired their female editirix. But I guess Ari Hate will continue to write in his favorite publication, al-Jazeera.

I am sure that those two low life's are the ones who got the NY Slimes in this as well.

Disgusting people.

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 May 30, 2014 at 06:02 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #12  
favish Says:

your kind of statement which we find in these kind of topics is so dumb. if there is such organization that come out as their policy that molestation is ok, that stealing is ok etc etc of course we'd condem it.

I would believe you more if you would not protect molesters or shelter them from the authorities otherwise you are a bald faced lier.

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 May 30, 2014 at 06:03 PM bewhiskered Says:

Reply to #12  
favish Says:

your kind of statement which we find in these kind of topics is so dumb. if there is such organization that come out as their policy that molestation is ok, that stealing is ok etc etc of course we'd condem it.

"if there is such organization that come out as their policy that molestation is ok, that stealing is ok etc etc of course we'd condem (sic.) it."

You may condemn it, but tell me, which notable מנהיג הדור has publicly condemned enabling child molesters while demonizing the victims, not mention the surfeit of money laundering and other עבירות שבין אדם לחבירו? Which one?

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 May 30, 2014 at 06:20 PM frimeyid Says:

Reply to #16  
bubii Says:

Orthodox judaism has to many faults of its own to lecture the majority of 90 per cent who are not orthodox,if orthodoxy would be a solution to what ails the jews then everyone would practice it, the reason 90 per cent dont practice it is because it is not practical with all its nonsensical chumras it is silly to say the least.

You obviously havent read who he was addressing or much less understand what he is saying. Your true color are showing. You're a disenfranchised OJ sick of the chumrah culture. I happen to agree with you on that point. However, the Agudah and the Rebbe are not the ones imposing the chumrahs. That would be the real chasidim who are anti-Agudah too.

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 May 30, 2014 at 06:35 PM OYVY2 Says:

ok so one of the issues that I have is what a shame it is and what a waste when you have the ear of so many people hanging on to every word you say, that it is not directed to more pressing matters that are hurting our "frum" society. We have so many problems that esteemed speakers should get with the program.

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 May 30, 2014 at 07:49 PM Deveee Says:

Thank you Rebbe for slamming the kofrim and reshai'm!!

And charliehall, please go back to your comments on daily kos.

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 May 31, 2014 at 02:35 PM BarryLS1 Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

I'm not defending the Novominsker Rebbe, since he needs no defense and certainly not mine, but in fairness there is no group in existence that doesn't have issues that need "cleaning up." That doesn't mean that you can never take a stand on any issue because of it. Since the self described "Open Orthodoxy" uses the term Orthodox, which it clearly isn't by its stated beliefs, it would behoove all Orthodox people, irrespective of their level of Orthodoxy to speak out against it, as Rabbi Harry Maryles, who is Modern Orthodox, has done. It is far more of a concern than Reform or Conservative, since there is no pretense on their part of being a Torah based belief system.

Things are what they are and calling it something else doesn't negate what they are. It is not intellectually honest, no matter what your beliefs. It may be the political way of our times to misdirect an issue by calling it something its not, but it has no place where the Torah is concerned. Truth is all that matters.

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 May 31, 2014 at 10:00 PM TzviB Says:

Why does a speaker feel the need put down others groups? Isnt there enough to talk about?

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 May 31, 2014 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Seems the Agudah is always releasing press releases. Maybe they should carefully edit their speeches,so that they won't have to back track later.

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 May 31, 2014 at 11:00 PM bahby Says:

Reply to #1  
charliehall Says:

"has also crossed boundaries"

Yeah, they disagree with Rabbi Perlow.

Disagree with Rabbi Perlow?? They disagree with Hashem, their Creator!!!

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 May 31, 2014 at 11:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Some of the commenters above would benefit if IQ points were ever up for sale.

The Novominsker Rebbe shlit"a addressed a particular subject, and did so with eloquence and sincerity. The compromising of some ideologies in which the number of mitzvos is no longer 613, and in which the basic principles of faith are tailored to fit one's passions and desires is unworthy of being considered orthodox, nor is in true Judaism at all. The Torah specifically warns against trimming mitzvos. Mesora is clear about the Ikrim, and the the non-Torah ideologies trash the Ikrim with consistency. The Rebbe addressed that, and gave us a message that every one of us must repeat to ourselves as we prepare for Kabolas HaTorah. It would be undoubtedly foolish to believe that there are no other problems among us besides this chipping away at Emunoh. It is indicative of very low intellect to complain that the other subjects were not discussed.

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 May 31, 2014 at 11:47 PM favish Says:

Reply to #16  
bubii Says:

Orthodox judaism has to many faults of its own to lecture the majority of 90 per cent who are not orthodox,if orthodoxy would be a solution to what ails the jews then everyone would practice it, the reason 90 per cent dont practice it is because it is not practical with all its nonsensical chumras it is silly to say the least.

so 90% who don't believe in torah misina who don't follow the s'u those are the real practicing jews, but those who fpollow the s'u etc etc they are imposters? sir, what drugs do you take? And if majority are right in this case why don't you practice Islam or Christianity? Christianity were one of first refoerm jews, so whats wrong being Christian.what about inclusvness?

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 10:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Some of the commenters above would benefit if IQ points were ever up for sale.

The Novominsker Rebbe shlit"a addressed a particular subject, and did so with eloquence and sincerity. The compromising of some ideologies in which the number of mitzvos is no longer 613, and in which the basic principles of faith are tailored to fit one's passions and desires is unworthy of being considered orthodox, nor is in true Judaism at all. The Torah specifically warns against trimming mitzvos. Mesora is clear about the Ikrim, and the the non-Torah ideologies trash the Ikrim with consistency. The Rebbe addressed that, and gave us a message that every one of us must repeat to ourselves as we prepare for Kabolas HaTorah. It would be undoubtedly foolish to believe that there are no other problems among us besides this chipping away at Emunoh. It is indicative of very low intellect to complain that the other subjects were not discussed.

I venture to say young man that many of the commentators have a HIGHER IQ than YOU. Therefore you will score no additional points with Hashem insulting other Yidden.

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 10:47 AM honestbroker Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

"So what if they intermarry..." !!!
That is hands down the most repugnant sentence I have ever come across on the internet. Who are you, bubi? Are you a Jew? Can you not feel in your heart the unfathomable tragedy in a single case of intermarriage?
Trotting out the old canards about problems in Orthodox society does not for a second mitigate the ongoing tragedy of Jewish neshamos going astray and their generations irretrievably lost.

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 01:23 PM RifkaBeth Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

It's pretty straight forward: conservative and reform promote assimilation. Their 'rabbis' perform intermarriges with glee. They pander to what society wants. This is not Judaism. It's a made up one that has taken certain outward customs of Judaism. Let's be honest here for a sec. But alas we live in a world where falsities reign supreme. Hence we need statements on top of statements.

Conservative rabbis do not perform intermarriages. I've never piped in on VIN because as a non-frum Jew, I don't fit in. But I feel obliged to clear up misconceptions about liberal Judaism. I grew up completely secular. The only thing Jewish about us was that we didn't celebrate Christmas. I am so blessed that I discovered Judaism as an adult. My husband and I are on a journey towards being more religious, but it's REALLY HARD to suddenly become Orthodox. We started in a Reform shul, now we're Conservadox and send our kids to a Conservative Day School. For high school G-d willing we will send them to Orthodox high school, and at that point hope to join a MO community. If there were no Reform and Conservative to welcome us and teach us the basics, we would still be 100% secular. If Reform and Conservative are making the Orthodox less religious, that's a bad thing. But if they're helping secular Jews become more religious, that's a good thing, no?

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 02:29 PM esther Says:

Reply to #5  
bubii Says:

So what if they intermarry there are enough orthodox jews to carry on the legacy more then enough,orthodoxy should clean its own house first before preaching to others about anything,just look at the molestation and abuse among the orthodox that should wake you up to reality.

whoa!!! i highly doubt your so what attitude about intermarriage would continue if it were your own aineklach marrying a goy c'v.

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 03:37 PM bewhiskered Says:

"Trotting out the old canards about problems in Orthodox society does not for a second mitigate the ongoing tragedy of Jewish neshamos going astray and their generations irretrievably lost."

Canards about problems in Orthodox society? Tell me, does the term delusional have any special significance for you? It is those very problems of the so called Orthodox society (enabling molesters, money laundering, defrauding the government, etc.) that in their own manner cause other Jews to flee from the true values of the תורה הקדושה. Rather than being מודה על האמת, you choose to stick your head in the ground.

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 04:37 PM favish Says:

Reply to #31  
RifkaBeth Says:

Conservative rabbis do not perform intermarriages. I've never piped in on VIN because as a non-frum Jew, I don't fit in. But I feel obliged to clear up misconceptions about liberal Judaism. I grew up completely secular. The only thing Jewish about us was that we didn't celebrate Christmas. I am so blessed that I discovered Judaism as an adult. My husband and I are on a journey towards being more religious, but it's REALLY HARD to suddenly become Orthodox. We started in a Reform shul, now we're Conservadox and send our kids to a Conservative Day School. For high school G-d willing we will send them to Orthodox high school, and at that point hope to join a MO community. If there were no Reform and Conservative to welcome us and teach us the basics, we would still be 100% secular. If Reform and Conservative are making the Orthodox less religious, that's a bad thing. But if they're helping secular Jews become more religious, that's a good thing, no?

'#34 'ein oimrim leadam chet bishvill sheyizka chavairoch' the riboni shel oilom woud'lve provided you plenty venues to become shomrei torah. hayed hashem tiktzor

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 Jun 01, 2014 at 10:57 PM AYONEMAN Says:

Forget And Dispense With All The Specious Arguments Which Can Be Argued Until You Turn Blue. The Simple Truth About These Non Orthodox Movements; Is The Observation Made By Reb Yoelish Of Satmar 50 Years Ago: He Asked That He Be Shown ONE yid Who Knows That He Is A Yid And Says That He Is A Yid And He Be A TENTH Generation Descendant Of The Reform Movement. Ask Your Self; Where are the Grandchildren Of the Founders of The Reform Movement?? Mendelson; Wise? Etc.?
NOT ONE OF THE DECENDENTS EVEN AFTER 5-6 Generations EVEN KNOW THAT THEIR FOREBEARERS WERE JEWS. NOT ONE. UNLESS CHABAD GOT TO THEM IN TIME AFTER THE 3rd or 4th Generation. THATS IT. There is Your Proof.

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 Jun 02, 2014 at 12:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
AYONEMAN Says:

Forget And Dispense With All The Specious Arguments Which Can Be Argued Until You Turn Blue. The Simple Truth About These Non Orthodox Movements; Is The Observation Made By Reb Yoelish Of Satmar 50 Years Ago: He Asked That He Be Shown ONE yid Who Knows That He Is A Yid And Says That He Is A Yid And He Be A TENTH Generation Descendant Of The Reform Movement. Ask Your Self; Where are the Grandchildren Of the Founders of The Reform Movement?? Mendelson; Wise? Etc.?
NOT ONE OF THE DECENDENTS EVEN AFTER 5-6 Generations EVEN KNOW THAT THEIR FOREBEARERS WERE JEWS. NOT ONE. UNLESS CHABAD GOT TO THEM IN TIME AFTER THE 3rd or 4th Generation. THATS IT. There is Your Proof.

Reform starts around 1815.

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 Jun 02, 2014 at 03:04 PM favish Says:

Reply to #35  
AYONEMAN Says:

Forget And Dispense With All The Specious Arguments Which Can Be Argued Until You Turn Blue. The Simple Truth About These Non Orthodox Movements; Is The Observation Made By Reb Yoelish Of Satmar 50 Years Ago: He Asked That He Be Shown ONE yid Who Knows That He Is A Yid And Says That He Is A Yid And He Be A TENTH Generation Descendant Of The Reform Movement. Ask Your Self; Where are the Grandchildren Of the Founders of The Reform Movement?? Mendelson; Wise? Etc.?
NOT ONE OF THE DECENDENTS EVEN AFTER 5-6 Generations EVEN KNOW THAT THEIR FOREBEARERS WERE JEWS. NOT ONE. UNLESS CHABAD GOT TO THEM IN TIME AFTER THE 3rd or 4th Generation. THATS IT. There is Your Proof.

to add to that...did reform etc ever produce a noda beyahuda, a chasam soifer igros moshe vayoel moshe etcetc poalai yeshuous holy tzaddikum like the belzer reb arele and thousands of 1000's holtzaddikum..heh

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 Jun 03, 2014 at 03:13 AM FactsRule Says:

Would someone please quote any sentence this rebbe spoke that may have resulted in one person in any way coming closer to Judaism? You don't have to show me an example of anyone, just a sentence that would lead one to believe that someone not identifying as observant would have decided that it's all been a lie, now I'm going to become an observant Jew. Boy, I wish this Rabbi would have made this announcement years ago. I'm all in! Meanwhile, in reality, there are thousands of Lubavitcher Chassidim around the world working every day to help Jews in these movements by showing them an alternative. Some become fully observant. Of those, some remain Chabad, others go into different groups, but they go, usually, into observant groups, be they Litvish, Sephard, Moderdox, or whatever. The pain of watching high per-centages of intermarriage & assimilation among our Jewish family may be too much for the Rebbe to handle without crying out. But, I don't personally believe it did anything for anyone but the Rebbe who may feel better. I'm sorry for trying to be honest based on not having listened to his words & reading some of the comments & this article. I'm willing to be corrected.

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