Kiryas Joel, NY – In Fiery Speech, Satmar Rebbe Attacks Zionism Says Blood Of The Three Slain Boys Is On Parents’ Hands

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    FILE - Rabbi Aaron Teitelbaum addresses the crowd at a gathering for Satmar Hasidic Jews in New York December 4, 2012.  ReutersKiryas Joel, NY – Just one day after the burial of the three murdered teenage boys, the parents of three boys became the subject of criticism from an unexpected source: the Satmar Rebbe.

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    The Satmar Rebbe’s words came tonight with no prior warning at the yeshiva in Kiryas Joel, with Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum blaming the parents of the slain teens for their deaths, saying that the boys died because they lived in the Israeli settlements, places that are inhabited by “predatory animals.”

    The speech is aired on the Satmar news line Kol Satmar.

    Click below to listen to it.

    Speaking in Yiddish, the Rebbe began his words expressing his deep sorrow over the tragedy.

    “I want to speak about an incident that happened in Eretz Yisroel where three Jewish lives were taken in an extremely brutal manner, Hashem yeracheim. When something tragic happens in our holy land, every heart bleeds and Hakadosh Baruch Hu feels the pain of his nation and Jews everywhere feel tremendous sorrow over what happened here.”

    The Satmar Rebbe went on to describe the widespread sense of mourning that has blanketed the Jewish community worldwide and said that he has no doubt that this tremendous sorrow will bring even strangers to come and be menachem aveil.

    “But with all the pain and devastation that is part of this terrible incident, we have to examine the circumstances from a wider perspective and with wisdom with eyes that are open to true daas Torah.

    During the funerals, the parents eulogized their sons, but I think it would have been preferable if they had done teshuva, if they had said viduy with tears, in the nusach that is used on Yom Kippur, to repent for their decision to live and learn Torah in a place of barbaric murderers.

    Who gave them a heter to live in a place like that, where they were living among known murderers? Is there no place in Israel to live and to learn other than in a place of tremendous danger?

    Who gave them permission for themselves and for their children to live and to learn Torah in the midst of the lion’s den? To put their lives at risk, and the lives of their families at risk? It is all because of the yetzer hara and the desire for Jews to inhabit the entire State of Israel. It is Zionism for the mehadrin min hamehadrin.”

    Placing the blame for the deaths of the three teens squarely on the shoulders of their parents the Rebbe continued, “it is incumbent upon us to say that these parents are guilty. They caused the deaths of their sons and they must do teshuva for their actions.”

    Discussing the death today of a Palestinian teen, the Satmar Rebbe observed that the revenge had already begun.

    “There is a suspicion that this murder was an act of vengeance and who knows if Jews all over the world are not in danger now from the Arabs. I hope that this youth was killed by another Arab but it is wise to be afraid. It is already 2,000 years that we are in exile and during that time millions of Jews have been killed. Jews have always been the ones who were killed, not the ones doing the killing.”

    The Satmar Rebbe said that the truth must always be said, even when it is difficult.

    “My holy uncle (Reb Yoel) taught us to love the truth and to despise falsehood.

    In the generation prior to Moshiach, truth will be a scarcity and he taught us to fight with all our might against lies and to say the truth even when times are difficult, even if it will bring great troubles, even if we are face to face with arrows and catapults and if people will say that we are the enemies of Israel.

    But it is not we who are the enemies. It is the Zionists, who place the lives of the Jewish people at risk for the sake of Zionism. The enemies are those who take revenge and who awaken the ire of the murderers who will surely take revenge and the cycle of vengeance will continue.

    This is what Dovid Hamelech meant in Tehillim when he said ‘I hate falsehood and am disgusted by it.’”

    Urging the Chareidi world to stand strong and to distance itself from the settlements, Zionism and revenge, the Satmar Rebbe concluded his remarks with a prayer.

    “Hakadosh Baruch Hu should watch over the entire Jewish nation wherever they may be, in Israel and all over the world from all sorrow and all sadness and he should break the yoke of the gentiles, the wicked and the evil Jewish Zionists.”


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    9 years ago

    Was it the zionim’s fault also why the Nazi’s killed 6 million?

    9 years ago

    Nebech, nebech, he had to utter such terrible words.

    PowerUp
    PowerUp
    9 years ago

    I do believe he is right, they are putting themselfs and their families at risk by living there, and no, a jewish person should not have to sleep next to an M-16 gun, “al charbechu tichya” was eisuv.

    With that said, I think its too early to say that in such a sensitive time!

    9 years ago

    Always blame the victim?? How about blame the actual murderers?? Or blame the Israeli govt for not being strong enough against the terrorist

    hopeful
    hopeful
    9 years ago

    A. How does he know they didn’t have an heter?
    B. Is this a psak? Is he posek hador?
    C. His great uncle would never have said that. So he shouldn’t use him as cover for his own agenda.

    earlichayid
    earlichayid
    9 years ago

    B”h we have an earlicha yid in our days to tell us the right hashkufa!!!

    zoifunny
    Active Member
    zoifunny
    9 years ago

    He has a nerve!

    9 years ago

    With no respect, the blood of these three bochurim is on the hands of this Rav and others who blame the parents for living in EY, engage in this hatred of the Medinah and sinas chinam against Tziyonim. How can one express how despicable these comments by the Satmar are. One can only wish that someone will find a way of shutting the mouth of this Rav and restrain him from making further comments. I also suspect that Rav Yolish, Z’TL, would be turning in his grave to see his memory so desecrated by the hateful words of his nephew.

    9 years ago

    The rebbe is 100% right but it’s not made to say it in public now.

    bennyt
    bennyt
    9 years ago

    VIN – Take this garbage down! It is an affront to the memories of the 3 boys and their families!

    akraus88
    akraus88
    9 years ago

    Very well said.

    yoyoyo
    yoyoyo
    9 years ago

    He should be ashamed of himself. All of satmar should be ashamed of Satmar. Where was the satmar rabbi when the boys were missing? why didn’t he announce that all satmar yeshivas should say a kapitel tehilim for the 3 bucherim?? they don’t deserve a kapitel tehilim? why becaouse they don’t have a biber hit?? Satmar is a disgrace to yidishkeit….

    JacobN
    JacobN
    9 years ago

    At least he waited until the day AFTER the boys were buried…

    yoyoyo
    yoyoyo
    9 years ago

    3 Yidishe Nefashes??? is this what you call these holy bucherim? nefashes? you should call your KJ chasidim nefashes. These bucherim were “Holly Neshumas”

    YiddisheKup
    YiddisheKup
    9 years ago

    We are living in dark times, in times where there is no leader to stand up and comfort the nation. No leader to stand up and combat these words with equally strong words.

    zackk
    zackk
    9 years ago

    What a sad response. EY is safer because of the settlements.

    yid18
    yid18
    9 years ago

    How does someone have the audacity to blame the parents when they are going through hell?! That kind of talk is enough to turn one off from being a frum yid. Someone ought to inform this Rebbe that ERETS YISROEL WAS GIVEN TO US BY NONE OTHER THAN HASHEM WE THEREFORE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE ANYWHERE IN OUR OWN LAND!!! Would this holy Rebbe also blame his parents or other relatives deathes on his parents? because they lived in a country with nazi’s?? He needs to ask them serious mechilla!!! for being so callous and outright mean.(almost as mean as those monsters!!!!!

    9 years ago

    Everyone has the right to say their Daas Torah. But why blame the parents after such a tragedy. I am no more a chusid!!!

    GevalDigeh
    GevalDigeh
    9 years ago

    Chillul Hashem befarhasia. Ein lo chelek leolam Habah. Who is he to say why three pure innocent lives where killed. Can he also say comments about leiby kletsky? Perhaps boro park is also a dangerous place to live ? Does he have any idea what he’s talking about ? Does he know what the danger is to live in Brooklyn ? Who is he to criticize three jewish parents that are tsadikim!!!!!!

    NarishGeret
    NarishGeret
    9 years ago

    Doesn’t sound like a political speech. He’s basically saying that the parents were not having safety in mind when choosing where to live. Timing though is a bit insensitive.

    charliehall
    charliehall
    9 years ago

    This is a truly disgusting blaming of the victims. Does he think that the victims of the Shoah are to blame for being in Poland or Hungary? This is something I expect from MK Zoabi, not a Jew. Even the clueless Jewish leftists aren’t going this far.

    Sholi-Katz
    Sholi-Katz
    9 years ago

    Very Smart, Brilliant observation. Can’t argue with Brightness. He claims he is using Daas Torah and ‘Open eyes”
    I hope he is not using the same ‘OPEN EYES” they used 70 years ago to tell the Yidden in Europe to stay put and not run. It would be very beneficial to K’lal Yisroel if they “closed” their eyes once in a while.

    Goldy
    Goldy
    9 years ago

    I am shocked to read this. When the Jews were being persecuted in Europe before/as the Holocaust began, why did some rabbinic leaders tell the Jews to stay? They knew it was dangerous. Should we now say that the rabbinic leaders who advised the Jews to stay in Europe have blood on their hands?

    OyGevald
    OyGevald
    9 years ago

    Scary stuff. The Rebbes are not taking a back seat to this story. And they shouldn’t. Three precious Yidden lost. Hundreds of future generations wiped out. All because of Zionism. The Rebbe called it like it is. And it is.

    I-SAY
    I-SAY
    9 years ago

    A barrage of venom will definitely be posted here against the Satmar Rebbe Shlit’a… You are not the first, your Grand-father did the same against the Old Satmar Rebbe since 1948 when the leaders of Israel formed their Government. Satmar Rebbes heart was the true lover of Yidishe Kinderlech and Eretz Yisruel. . His heart was broken every time when he heard that Yiddishe Kinderlech were Nebech killed. The current Rebbe echoed the words what was heard at every gathering by the Old Satmar Rebbe. Every Shalush Seudos when he said Mussar, he cried about Jewish Children getting murdered on the Battle Field for the sake of Zionism. The question is why did he have to say it so close to the tragedy. The answer is, now it hurts and when it hurts you scream and tell the truth. When things calm down then it is only a discussion, not from the heart. Hashem Yerachem we should all be Oisgelizt from Golus

    DovidTheK
    DovidTheK
    9 years ago

    The Rebbe should know the geography of Eretz Yisroel a little better. Only 1 of the 3 boys, hyd, lived in the “settlements.” The other two lived inside the green line.

    9 years ago

    Oh boy. This is going to generate an unbelievable response.

    jaycee01
    jaycee01
    9 years ago

    The following is the Satmer Rebbes opinion why Advocating Herzl’s plan to establish a Jewish government without Messiach is in violation with 2 of the 13 principles of the Jewish religion

    A) Hashem punishes, B). Waiting for Meshiach,

    1) It is important to remember that Jewish Sovereignty over Eretz Yisroel is CONDITIONAL!!!!

    2) It so happened that in the covenant of Hashem with our father Abraham it was agreed that the
    punishment for violating the Jewish faith, would be Exile/Gules,

    3) Hashem told us thru our NeVeim that the redemption of the Jewish people will be by
    Mesihach.

    4) The Amoira Shmuel the biggest Poisek in his Generation says: That Hashems decree on us to WAIT
    for Meshiach, is meant for Mesihachs SOLE ACTION to Restore A Jewish Sovereignty and to reestablish a Jewish Government ,””All other attributes to Meshiach can be (and are)disputed””,

    5) The Rambam brings down LeHalucha the words of Shmuel as impartial: “Umri Chacumim” and states that
    whoever does not WAIT for Meshiach (as described by Shmuel) is an Apikoires

    jaycee01
    jaycee01
    9 years ago

    6) The ReShab Writes a warning for our days: “That even if the Hertzel plan would achieve their
    goal, we must not listen to them in this matter “to make our redemption with our own power”

    7) So any one who is ONLY in the OPINION that Meshiachs JOB may be achieved without him, is JUST
    Not Waiting for Him and is an Apikoires , and The punishment for contemplating the Herzel plan is pre warned,

    To illustrate the above, envision yourself with the following Mushel:

    You see a group of people waiting at a bus stop, it is assumed that these people are waiting for a bus to arrive and to take them to a certain
    destination,

    A taxi drives by, and yells out: You people are waiting for noting, no bus will arrive and the bus shelter will collapse on your head, hop into my taxi,

    First group of Non Waiters

    A few people pass by and say we have been waiting at another stop, and the bus broke down in front of our nose so we started to walk, join us

    Second group of Non Waiters
    Another group of people come by and say: Come help to push the broken bus

    Third group of Non Waiters

    jaycee01
    jaycee01
    9 years ago

    SUMMERY
    In the beginning of the common era the Amoire Shmuel formulated his successful campaign against early Christians and devised a slogan that said “” The ONLY difference between before Meshiach and after Meshiach is HIS establishing of a Jewish Independent Government””” , which yoshke failed to do do,

    Bavli prods 5 times the soundness and scope of Shmuels slogan by analyzing 5 statements that broadens the scope of Meshiachs Actions/Era , but all 5 statements agree that the reestablishing of a Jewish government is exclusive Meshiachs role for the Jewish people,(V”Yoel Moshe) and the Rambam Codifies this as Halacha by Proclaiming for us today :

    1) Jews wait for Meshiach to be free of non Jewish governments, by Meshiach Himself establishing a Jewish sovereignty,

    2) All other objectives that might result at the era of Meshiach does not necessarily have to happen by Meshiach personally,

    3) Do not talk about the OTHER OBJECTIVES when highlighting Meshiachs objective (as Shmuel has done in his campaign),

    4) Whoever does not believe the above or does not wait for Meshiach to do the creation of the Jewish State is an

    A P I K O R E S

    ermn8
    ermn8
    9 years ago

    He is correct. We should all do teshuvah! Especially bein Adam lchavero! And especially in our families. Especially two brothers who can’t even share in each other simchas it talk to each other or make shalom between groups of yidden they control. Could it be that this also caused Jewish blood to be spilled?? Maybe?

    Samckatz
    Samckatz
    9 years ago

    So rabbi kindly explain it to me.
    The 6 Million killed was Gods doing but the state of Israel is the work of the devil? Also rabbi. Do you have any idea what kind of antisemitism and Chilul Hashem your chasidim are causing with cheating the government, child abuse, etc etc etc? Do you have any idea what humongous Chilul Hashem you caused by taking your brother to court because of some real estate and all the physical and violent fights that followed and was all over the media? How many people were and are harassed in your own community by your goons for simply not goose stepping to your tune? How dare you put salt on the wounds of the choshiva parents of the murder victims? Repent dear rabbi

    9 years ago

    A very, very ugly comment. One that will unfortunately give Chizuk to the Palestinians and anger to Yidden who doesn’t paskin like the Satmars.

    Ben613
    Ben613
    9 years ago

    Keeping in the spirit of the rules / Quote:
    “New York – The goal of Vosizneias is to be a positive means of growth for Klal Yisroel. Our readership needs to engage the issues, discuss them respectfully, and hopefully the products of these discussions would be fruitful to help improve Klal Yisroel, even one or two people at a time, for the better.”

    Please take this down.

    Please…….please…..please!!!!

    We have just witnessed a surge of Achdus throughout klal yisroel. For once we put aside our differences and unified as a nation. I’m not big enough of a person to condone or criticize the Satmar Rav, but this was a message for his kihillah. We need to find ways to unify not divide and this article is just going to make things worse.

    lamdan
    lamdan
    9 years ago

    i as a lamdan think they were killed due to all food stamps,medicaid and vouchers when you are not 100 eligible lo churvah yerushaliam elu bishvil gezel

    9 years ago

    Why the ruv deemed it necessary to promote sinas chinim at a time when 99.9 percent of the rest of Jewry were brought together in grief is beyond even most of his own followers.

    JoeField1
    JoeField1
    9 years ago

    I applaud the courage of Rebbe to speak out. Regardless how asinine and hurtful his diatribe are, at least once in a while we get a shock from a cattle prod, to remind us who and what Satmar stands for.

    Deveee
    Deveee
    9 years ago

    He should have stayed quiet. סייג לחכמה.

    Mark Levin
    Mark Levin
    9 years ago

    Vin, hate to say it but you shouldn’t have posted this. There is nothing good to gain from it.

    9 years ago

    The Rebbe is using this tragedy ( vs. other tragedies where the same argument can be made) to share his ideology, at the same time his point should not be lost. There are dangers in living in the settlements and according to his believe it isn’t one the Torah allows us to sacrifice lives for. Others disagree.

    cool-3931
    cool-3931
    9 years ago

    Hesitant to talk against a rebbe of his stature, but trying to understand his logic – would like to respectfully remind the rebbe that there were all too many yidden r”l blown up on buses and inside pizza stores and while sitting at a seder table inside the heart of Yerushalayim

    fiftyseven
    fiftyseven
    9 years ago

    Dear Rebbe of Satmar,

    When Menachem Stark was abducted and murdered in Wiliamsburg have you told your followers to move away from Willi, a neighborhood infested with criminals?

    When a child gets run over and killed חס ושלום by a car or school bus in Monroe or in New Skvere is that an indication that they should move out to another city or neighborhood?

    The “heter” the Zionists settlers rely on is known as… מסירת נפש , for the torah one believes in.
    Yes of course you could blame Zionism, because like everything else they have their weaknesses and limitations but why discount an entire group of serious well-intentioned people because a single tragedy.

    If heinous murders,and the dangers are the driving force behind your objections against Zionisms then perhaps with peace your argument would collapse and so peace is a threat to your radical ideology.
    Yes, many Muslims hatred is directed at Zionists and the State of Israel but the Koran preceded Zionism, I believe

    ELEPHANT
    Member
    ELEPHANT
    9 years ago

    Kol hakovod Rabbi

    LionofZion
    LionofZion
    9 years ago

    What a wretched man. At some time, Klal Yisroel is going to have to make a choice. Do we turn our backs on our history as a light onto nations, as honest, intelligent G-d fearing, hard working people who are admired by all we come into contact with, or, do we retreat into the insular worlds of New Square, Kiryas Yoel and Williamsburg? These communities have time and again showed their preferences, glorifying criminals, spending time and energy to milk the system and show greed at the expense of ethics and morality. The leaders condemn their followers to poverty and illiteracy as if these are Jewish virtues.
    I get it. I understand that the various Rebbes have their agendas and even that Malkiel Kotler has finally showed his true colors by embracing them. My question is on the the pulpit Rabbis. It is on the more sensible rabbis, like Shmuel Kaminetski, who is a decent man. Someone needs to stand up and declare that Satmar is Satmar and is going to do things their way, we are proud Frum Jews who have a better way. We have the way of our parents and grandparents who understood that a man pursues a career and works hard at a job to support his family.

    9 years ago

    What a self-righteous, ignorant and insensitive fool.
    The polar opposite of what a Jewish leader, a Rebbe no less, should be.
    This proves unequivocally to all, what a fraudster and charlatan he really is.

    9 years ago

    Are Satmar people:

    Cancer-free?
    Heart-disease free?
    free of crime?
    free of molestation?
    free of Shalom Bayis issues?
    free of Parnassa problems?
    free of all serious physical illness?
    free of all serious mental illness?
    free of all serious Tzaros in the world?

    Clearly no!

    Why is this Rebbe focusing on one problem as if his followers don’t die all the time, young and old?

    Hashem has many ways to kill young people, when its Hashem’s will, and Satmar Chassidim aren’t immune, Israel or no Israel, Zionism or no Zionism!

    Hotveggie
    Hotveggie
    9 years ago

    How can he make such a hateful and insensitive comment, the parents just buried their children, they are still sitting shiva and for him to blame the parents is utter stupidity . He is blaming the victim for what happened to them and not the perpetrator. According to his warped logic if someone lives in New York City and gets robbed or G-D forbid worse , he would blame the victim or their family for putting themselves in that situation. Does that make any sense?

    Insider
    Insider
    9 years ago

    Please see Shulchan Aruch Orech Chairm 239:6-7. With all due respect, Reb Aaron is astoundingly WRONG. Further, how dare he criticize the parents while they are in the midst of Shiva. Not only is he wrong on the Halacha, but also fails miserably in sensitivity and Yiddishkeit. Sad to say, these utterances reveal him as a Rasha. It is he that must do Teshuva – and ask for Mechila !!

    fiftyseven
    fiftyseven
    9 years ago

    This reminds me of the recent New York Post Headline “WHO DIDN’T WANT HIM DEAD?” in relation to the Menachem Stark Murder.

    naisgal
    naisgal
    9 years ago

    Was going to the world trade center a sakana? Were the people in China “occupiers”? What about the children who lost limbs by watching the Boston Marathon? Sinat Chinum means there is no reason for the hate, it is just there and seeks some way to express itself. I wish the reason was a settlement as then we would give it up and live in peace ( even though it is ours). But there were wars before there was ever a settlement built. So, we are safe when Hashem watches us, though we have to do what is safest. learning in a yeshiva should have protected these helige neshamos whose eyes and smiles, even in a flat picture, indicate their purity. And what about the rockets that are fired into major cities not settlements? What could be done there to prevent this? I am not on the level of a leader or learned, but my seichel is struggling to understand how this helps, as surely when a Rebbe says something there is a meaning of it more than meats the eye.
    The parents are sitting shiva and I hope are given comfort, not blame, by those who visit them. Why is the Rebbe mentioning that strangers will come, too? Every Jew is family. 3 boys, 2 terrorists, that is disturbing. Train all to defend.