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Published on: October 21, 2014 05:27 PM
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Photo courtesy Pix11 newsBrooklyn, NY - The death of an outspoken advocate against sexual abuse, who was himself the victim of molestation as a child, has been classified as an accidental overdose by a Manhattan medical examiner, according to VIN News sources.

34 year old Joey Diangello, born Yoel Deutsch, was found dead on October 15th.

Diangello, who left the Satmar community at age 17, first began sharing his story of being abused in a Marcy Avenue mikvah in Williamsburg at seven years of age in 2009. 

Since then, Diangello, who was featured in television interviews, attended the trials of several accused rapists within the Chasidic community.  According to reports on PIX 11, he lobbied state legislators to make changes to the statutes of limitations for molestation victims in order to give them more time to come to terms with their abuse.

Prominent community activist Zvi Gluck, said that in recent years Diangello had begun getting his life back on track and Diangello described himself on Twitter as a runner who followed both the Yankees and the NFL.

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Gluck had sharp words for those who refused to believe Diangello’s accounts of his abuse.

““I am personally classifying Joey Diangello’s death as a homicide,” Gluck told VIN News. “He was murdered by those who abused him and did nothing to help him.” “We as a community have so many beautiful institutions to help people but when it comes to something as blatant as this, something that kills people, we sit by idly and do nothing.  In the words of Irish statesman Edmund Burke, ‘all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.’”

Diangello was buried on Sunday afternoon at the Monsey Cemetery on Brick Church Road. A small group of friends gathered at the graveside after the funeral and shared their thoughts.

“There was a person who was there, a heimishe Chasidishe man who told me quietly, ‘I have a son who is an abuse victim and I am terrified that I will be at one of these graves one day burying my son,’” said Rabbi Yakov Horowitz, director of Project YES.

Rabbi Horowitz noted that he often encountered Diangello at abuse trials and he would share how the abuse continued to haunt him on a nightly basis.

“He said to me, ‘Rabbi you have to stop this. You have to make sure that the kids are safe,’” remarked Rabbi Horowitz. “He was just a nice kid, who was in pain.  People who are suffering must reach out for help. I can’t say that if you go for help you will live happily ever after but without help it is just too much for anyone to cope with.”

Diangello spoke publicly about his abuse at an Erev Yom Kippur program at Passaic’s Congregation Ahavas Israel in 2009.

Rabbi Ron Yitzchok Eisenman, rabbi of Ahavas Israel, who has spoken out publicly in his shul on the topic of sexual abuse, recalled that the evening’s program included a panel of five speakers, all of whom were Orthodox Jews who had been molested by members of the Jewish community.

“Truth be told we had a planned group and he just showed up and said he wanted to speak,” said Rabbi Eisenman.  “He spoke on the spot and he sort of brought the house down.”

Diangello said that he was rejected by the Williamsburg community who refused to accept his reports of abuse, labeling him a bum and saying “things like that don’t happen here.”

Diangello’s appearance in Ahavas Israel marked the first time he had been in a shul since leaving Williamsburg twelve years earlier and he said that being asked to speak publicly about his abuse was “the first time in my life I have ever been validated by the Orthodox community.”

Rabbi Eisenman was in contact with Diangello for two years before losing touch with him in 2010.  Diangello reconnected with Rabbi Eisenman this past summer and the two spoke on the phone and exchanged emails.

“I guess the one thing we can learn from this is to attempt to reach out more to people in pain because you never know what tomorrow may bring,” said Rabbi Eisenman.  “I think anyone who met Joey was touched by him.  Under all the tattoos and the heavy metal there was a precious neshama and I think a lot of people who heard him speak and kept up with him saw that.  What happened to him is a tragedy.”



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 Oct 21, 2014 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Missing from this article is - Did this young man ever undergo treatment for his trauma? It is all too common that the trauma goes untreated, and in desperation to cope with the many feelings of pain, suffering, fear, alienation, etc., that the victims go one to explore ways to escape from themselves. One cannot blame them for trying to escape the community and the people in it than wronged them, especially when the perpetrators go undetected, unfettered, while victims are left vulnerable to repeated attacks, and others are also at risk. Worse yet when known molesters are protected and defended, while victims are shunned and revictimized. If the victims would seek help, there is much they can accomplish to continue their lives with at least less pain. The excursions into the worlds of drugs, other addictions and altered states of mind, even their abandonment of Torah life might be understandable, but provide no benefit. While the frum world must get its house in order, there must also be help to deal with the trauma. Every day this man was away from Yiddishkeit was torture for him. Joey DiAngello was not the answer for Yoeli Deutsch.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:20 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

I would like to clarify something here and I hope readers can accept it with open minds and hearts.
I knew Joel/Yoilish well – very well. He was a broken, confused, tormented soul from his baby years. I don’t want to go into the painful details of his early years, his toddler years, his little boy years, prior to age 7 when he was supposedly raped in the local ritual bath. He was problematic, psychopathic and a social misfit from day one. Unfortunately, his sick mind was never able to differentiate between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy. Hence, his concocted stories of molestation. When confronted by a sibling years ago, he admitted that he lied about the rape allegations and responded, ‘Well, if it didn’t happen to me, it happened to somebody else.’ He jumped the molestation bandwagon in order to be perceived as a person with a cause and perhaps to be seen in some sort of positive light, whereas otherwise there was unfortunately nothing positive about his life and nothing for him to associate himself with where he would be perceived as a ‘mentsch’.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:

"Gluck has sharp words against those who refuse to believe his accusations of being molested"
Why should he be believed? according to his claim it happened when he was a seven year old kid, he left the community at 17 and he waited till he was 28!???? who was he kidding? Unfortunately he was a twisted individual to the extreme of tattooing himself with a cross rach"l and living a lifestyle of the lowest of the lowest till the end even requesting to be cremated!
Can someone please explain why so many followers of R' Horowitz from monsey end up committing suicide?
TEHEY MISOSO KAPOROSO

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:21 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Continuation of my post above:
While I strongly condemn all forms of molestation within any and all communities, and all coverups of these heinous crimes, Joel Deutsch was never a victim of such. He was a victim of his own mind and of his resistance to appropriate psychological and psychiatric interventions during his younger years.
May he rest in peace, finally.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:25 PM Wise-Guy Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Balderdash!

1) There is no "Big money" to be gained by simply inviting a Yid for a Shabbos meal.
It's a beautiful thing. (Even if you somehow knew for sure that the guest will never actually become religious!)

2) We are very capable of "Multi-tasking".
We can support the "Baal-Tshuvah movement" AND the "Anti-abuse movement" simultaneously.
The two are not mutually exclusive....

3) There are tons of active worthy organizations helping Frum people!
Ignoring their existence is (IMHO) almost as bad as ignoring abuse victims....

p.s. It's difficult for me/us to judge people, but whoever molested this guy, and whoever denied him help and support, will have to answer for that.
Frankly, I do not envy them, and I wouldn't trade places with them for all the money in the world.
Oy, are they in trouble.....

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't be ridiculous. One thing has nothing to do with the other. There are plenty of volunteers working on both causes, and just because you feel the issue of child abuse is more important than Kiruv Rechokim does not mean there should be no other projects or work done for other worthy causes.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

They are called Chabad. Your welcome.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:

He was buried in a church ? What's that sign in Hebrew about a Jewish chapel?

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:34 PM ChareidiMan Says:

Shame on his family that distanced themselves from him all these years, yet they grabbed his body AGAINST HIS WILL and buried him!

This community will eventually have to wake up to the fact that there are hundreds being abused and scarred for life. This poor neshuma did nothing as an 8 year old but was grabbed by a Jewish man and was abused, and messed up his life forever.

may he rest in peace

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:40 PM brooklynjew Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Nothing to do with money, not everything that people in our community do or dont do is because of money!
the reason why nothing is being done in our community is because, this painful subject is very little understood...
Klal yisrael is a nation like no other, most of us strive to abide by the torah laws and see our children lead holy lives...
we try keeping our thoughts pure and not perverting our minds...
this is why we know very little about the horrible effects of abuse...
As a result the orthodox community was and is the last community on the planet to have learned about the terrible psycological pain a victim must deal with...
this is why so many of the community are against the harsh sentences of predators...
this is why victims are labled by many as bums looking for attention...
and yes, you always have the occasional community memeber coming out claming that they themselves were abused as a kid and see! Nothing happened to me...
and that is another problem, not because they are lying, no! They actualy might be telling the truth, but what they fail to understand is that every person is effected differently, no to people are alike...
just like an accident, some come out clean and others go through terrible traumas afterwards, no two psyches are alike...
Education and only that, will help our community understand that this is vital and even more important then other organizations, its simple pikuach nefesh...

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 06:49 PM A Yid Says:

As if changing name like Deutsch to Diangelo wasn't bizarre enough, we now know that he's been abusing substances and almost inevitably overdosed. Now we can't be sure, and should keep an open mind on whether what he said happened to him actually did happen, or was it all a product of his drug addled overly active imagination.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 07:08 PM Anonymous Says:

He was abused repeatedly and yet he still tried to help others. May he rest in peace. I hope his detractors do not damage his burial site. Most of our molested boys turn to drugs, alcohol or another addiction to fight the memories. We do what we do best....protect the molester and blame the children. His molester continued to molest dozens of other little boys. When will it stop??

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 07:22 PM shvigger Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Oh really... so all the chesed organizations out there are for the non-frum?

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

bde I feel terrible for his family.
what does the "project Shabbos" have to do with this???????

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Indeed, in some Shuls even if you are frum, but are not in the clique, you will be shunned, and eventually hounded out the shul altogether. These are the very same shuls participating in this PR show. Hypocrites.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:57 PM YUDA20 Says:

I've never met Joey and know him only trough the Pics in the media, You can tell immediately upon looking at his face that the rest of his body attire is just wearing a costume, trough his eyes you can seep deep down there's a craving soul that is in a mental anguish and deep in pain, his face is entirely not in conjunction with his Hairstyle and body aromour...

Her is a boy that was a victim of someone else's

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:48 PM ShmutzVesh Says:

BDE may his soul find peace.May he find a special place in Gan Eden. I hope he will be a maylitz yosher for all of klal yisroel.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Even the most corrupted district attorney as Charles Hynes didn't believe his story when he started his campaign against the Hasidic community, He was interviewed numerous times by detectives at the DA office and changed his story on hourly basis, that's why no charges where filed in this case

If you believe he is a victim you can believe the story that he had died accidental.......

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:08 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

C"V, don't say that. Many of us are VERY interested and are VERY involved. However there is NOT enough involvement and the "Gedolim" are not involved enough and are NOT interested in meeting and listening to the stories of those victims who have been terribly harmed and damaged. The first thing a person has to do to help another person is to "lighten their burden" by listening to them and sharing their pain. By refusing to listen to them because their own ears are way too delicate to hear such horrendous stories is truly against Torah values and concepts and is a selfish character flaw.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 07:46 PM villyamsburger Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

What a naughty comment.

Are you saying that we can't acknowledge and understand victims of abuse while hosting guest? Yes we can.

We must acknowledge that this was a accidental overdose and we must acknowledge that Yoely U"H suffered greatly.

We cannot sit with our hands tied and claim suicide.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:07 PM lisa cornell Says:

i never met joey but i knew of him. i am not from his former life, i would be more of a rock and roll child, more of what he looked like recently. a goy shiksa actually. i would like to know why the outrage and attention to the spying rabbi and so little for abuse of people young and old? sadly this crap cuts across all races, religions, etc. no one is immune. you people in charge, the ones who can tell your flock this has to stop need to step up and tell them to report it to the police and not to a bunch of people that have no idea really how to deal with this. your silence is killing people. killing them with your neglect and utter disregard. how many more will be lost because you did nothing? how can you deny this pandemic? how can you not address it? joey's blood is on your hands. joey is a hero. and he is gone far too soon. i will take black flowers to his grave as soon as i can. i will dress in black. i think he would like that. black also for the cold black hearted people who shunned him and tried to deny him and shut him up when all he was doing was trying to stop what happened to him. you black hearted people...his blood is on your hands. shame on you.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 08:12 PM Sherree Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Joey was a mentch! All he wanted is for people to understand this machlah and to stop it!!! He wanted to be believed and wanted other victims to be believed. He waned everyone to be respected and to understand that "respect" is a two way street. Is that too difficult to understand? It is NOT a person's levush that command's respect, nor is it a person's public actions. It is one's private actions that show their true colors. Someone that can pretend to "purify" themselves in the mikveh and at the same time rape and destroy a young child who is there supposedly under the protection of their own father, trying to do the same mitzvah, is worse than a goy or someone who has gone off the derech. Because such a person sins under Hashem's very nose while pretending that Hashem doesn't exist.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

They are called Chabad. Your welcome.

Chabad rabbis should stick to running Chabad shuls and Chabad houses. Young Israel type shuls should NOT be hiring Chabad rabbis. It's a disaster for all concerned when they do.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
anonymous Says:

I would like to clarify something here and I hope readers can accept it with open minds and hearts.
I knew Joel/Yoilish well – very well. He was a broken, confused, tormented soul from his baby years. I don’t want to go into the painful details of his early years, his toddler years, his little boy years, prior to age 7 when he was supposedly raped in the local ritual bath. He was problematic, psychopathic and a social misfit from day one. Unfortunately, his sick mind was never able to differentiate between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy. Hence, his concocted stories of molestation. When confronted by a sibling years ago, he admitted that he lied about the rape allegations and responded, ‘Well, if it didn’t happen to me, it happened to somebody else.’ He jumped the molestation bandwagon in order to be perceived as a person with a cause and perhaps to be seen in some sort of positive light, whereas otherwise there was unfortunately nothing positive about his life and nothing for him to associate himself with where he would be perceived as a ‘mentsch’.

You speak lashon Hara against someone who is now dead and can't speak for himself. Your community is notorious for defending molestors, otherwise I might believe you. Now I don't believe one word you said.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:31 PM esther Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Even the most corrupted district attorney as Charles Hynes didn't believe his story when he started his campaign against the Hasidic community, He was interviewed numerous times by detectives at the DA office and changed his story on hourly basis, that's why no charges where filed in this case

If you believe he is a victim you can believe the story that he had died accidental.......

was there really a campaign against chasidim or is it simply that the DA politically could no longer allow all the chasidic cover ups!?

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

"Gluck has sharp words against those who refuse to believe his accusations of being molested"
Why should he be believed? according to his claim it happened when he was a seven year old kid, he left the community at 17 and he waited till he was 28!???? who was he kidding? Unfortunately he was a twisted individual to the extreme of tattooing himself with a cross rach"l and living a lifestyle of the lowest of the lowest till the end even requesting to be cremated!
Can someone please explain why so many followers of R' Horowitz from monsey end up committing suicide?
TEHEY MISOSO KAPOROSO

Let us take a wild guess, you also believe that 'reb' Nechamia is innocent, right, right?

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

He was buried in a church ? What's that sign in Hebrew about a Jewish chapel?

SHOYTA. That is the name of the cemetery. It has NOTHING to do with a cloist!!

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:02 PM Anonymous Says:

There are some out there who live off these things. It seems they actually despise kids who actually live normal lives DESPITE being abused. Yes, it sounds really strange but that is emes. There are many BH who actually are okay despite being abused. And when you have someone who r'l dies by questionable methods such as a drug overdose in this case, there are those who WISH it to be suicide instead of accidental.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:13 PM DoctorD Says:

I Went

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:17 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

Excellent comment. I feel EXACTLY the same way as you. this stupidity, instead of working on our ahavas yisroel,we spend time with this Flatbush(y) shtus. There are many more problems that come before project shabbos. Let's work on those first.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:22 PM schwartzi Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

Indeed, in some Shuls even if you are frum, but are not in the clique, you will be shunned, and eventually hounded out the shul altogether. These are the very same shuls participating in this PR show. Hypocrites.

you said it right. total hypocrite these shuls. another flatbush shtus.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:43 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

You speak lashon Hara against someone who is now dead and can't speak for himself. Your community is notorious for defending molestors, otherwise I might believe you. Now I don't believe one word you said.

Why do you assume that you know which community I am from? My post has no bearing on any community's opinions or behaviors. My post is solely about revealing the truth. Molestation victims should be dealt with the greatest compassion and support and care. Joel Deutsch was NOT a victim of molestation. Everybody out there - get this into your heads!! Don't glorify a person because you love to hate the people he bashes. Please separate the two.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Speaking ill of the dead? Those of you doing it should be ashamed of yourselves. Inappropriate, disgusting, offensive and embarrassing. Shame on you.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Let us take a wild guess, you also believe that 'reb' Nechamia is innocent, right, right?

What a question? 100% innocent no witnesses no proof! just word against word

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

You speak lashon Hara against someone who is now dead and can't speak for himself. Your community is notorious for defending molestors, otherwise I might believe you. Now I don't believe one word you said.

Why is loshon hara on an entire community more acceptable than on someone who left yidishkeit totally.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:

The way some people are commenting is wrong. Lashon Hara, against a dead man. Shame.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 11:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
anonymous Says:

Why do you assume that you know which community I am from? My post has no bearing on any community's opinions or behaviors. My post is solely about revealing the truth. Molestation victims should be dealt with the greatest compassion and support and care. Joel Deutsch was NOT a victim of molestation. Everybody out there - get this into your heads!! Don't glorify a person because you love to hate the people he bashes. Please separate the two.

His doctors disagree with you. At 8 he told the truth to his parents about what happened in the mikvah. Other 10 year old boys told the same story. The DA refused to listen as usual. There are hundreds of boys and men with the identical story and they are all at risk of overdose. We are experts at denial while our pedophiles are honored. Weber man and the others are not heroes despite what you claim.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 11:41 PM Heartrending... Says:

What a tragedy. You can see the pain in his eyes. What a heartbreak.
I hope that his neshama can find some rest. This story is like the Egla Arufa. We are called upon to do bear witness that our hands did not shed this blood. Too many are falling to the wayside. So sad. All they need is a little love, acceptance, warm yiddishkeit and guidance. What an absolute tragedy.

PS- For those of you worried about kiruv: More likely that a family that does not judge a person who practices differently would help a boy like Yoel/Joey. In fact, I know of several chabad houses that help young chassidishe guys who fell off the way get back on.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 09:31 PM YUDA20 Says:

I've never met Joey and know him only trough the Pics in the media, You can tell immediately upon looking at his face that the rest of his body attire is just wearing a costume, trough his eyes you can seep deep down there's a craving soul that is in a mental anguish and deep in pain, his face is entirely not in conjunction with his Hairstyle and body aromour...

Here you have a boy that was a victim of someone's lack of self restrained, probably a chain reaction to the molester himself being abused as a child who refused to let thug chain of molestation continue, it stopped by him.

Joey refused to allow himself to become a molester himself and it causes unimaginable pain and suffering.

On the contrary we have great success stories of people who have been greatly victimized as children only to move on and become he gear scholars, parents, business people, and lead a fulfilling life.

Unfortunately Joey did have in himself to do what it takes to overcome abuse, instead he surrounded himself with the wrong crew who's only mission was for sure not to help him but to use him as a vehicle to gain negative media attention by trashing an entire community as if sexual crimes are so rampant that it is systematically being shoved under the table to enable all rabbis and educators to continue abusing all the children in our communities.

This group of self hating under-accomplished ex-hasidic jews, who thrive on the only thing they do best by feeding the media's frenzy of negativity towards Hasidic Jews, refused to allow Joey to really heal, they have now won, Joey is dead now, they're ecstatic, they're running on full throttle, selling this story to the highest bidder in the market.

Don't allow yourself do be fooled, had Joey chosen to surround himself with the right people who meant his best this wouldn't have come to this, no one has to choose to live as a Hasidic Jew everyone can choose the type of community he wishes to join, however when you abandon your faith as some form of self therapy due to grievances on a particular community and lack of believe in the God who created you then you can never find peace and until you die your soul will demand its spiritual pleasures, you can't shut that down regardless whether you were molested or not.

To all of you who've been molested as a child a beg you for your own sake, do not seek redemption at the kinds of "Footsteps" and their likes, you will have temporary relive, the ultimate help cannot come by abandoning your maker, and your family, family is a big part of healing, you need to get in touch with the right professionals, may it be people from outside your community who seek your true healing.

And again no one has to stay stuck in a place especially when he was victimized in that particular community, whoever to use abuse as a reason to escape and betray the spiritual needs of ones soul will lead to the ultimate fall of the physical body as the soul dies down inside you and takes along your body.

Choosing to escape God due to an injury to your mentality is like going out drinking at the bar after getting yourself shot in the head.

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 Oct 21, 2014 at 11:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

"Gluck has sharp words against those who refuse to believe his accusations of being molested"
Why should he be believed? according to his claim it happened when he was a seven year old kid, he left the community at 17 and he waited till he was 28!???? who was he kidding? Unfortunately he was a twisted individual to the extreme of tattooing himself with a cross rach"l and living a lifestyle of the lowest of the lowest till the end even requesting to be cremated!
Can someone please explain why so many followers of R' Horowitz from monsey end up committing suicide?
TEHEY MISOSO KAPOROSO

Many victims of abuse do not report what happened to them until years later for fear that they will not be believed, or for other reasons. Maybe he left the community because of what he said happened to him? There are probably other victims of abuse in Satmar but they are afraid of speaking out because of fear of community reprisal against them or their family.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 12:08 AM wondering Says:

Reply to #3  
anonymous Says:

I would like to clarify something here and I hope readers can accept it with open minds and hearts.
I knew Joel/Yoilish well – very well. He was a broken, confused, tormented soul from his baby years. I don’t want to go into the painful details of his early years, his toddler years, his little boy years, prior to age 7 when he was supposedly raped in the local ritual bath. He was problematic, psychopathic and a social misfit from day one. Unfortunately, his sick mind was never able to differentiate between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy. Hence, his concocted stories of molestation. When confronted by a sibling years ago, he admitted that he lied about the rape allegations and responded, ‘Well, if it didn’t happen to me, it happened to somebody else.’ He jumped the molestation bandwagon in order to be perceived as a person with a cause and perhaps to be seen in some sort of positive light, whereas otherwise there was unfortunately nothing positive about his life and nothing for him to associate himself with where he would be perceived as a ‘mentsch’.

tormented soul from his baby years? from his toddler years?
Just the fact that you accuse him of being tormented even at that age shows your level of intelligence and compassion. If he was 'tormented' as a bay or toddler then it was due to his parents neglect or worse. If they are that bad then how can you blame him for anything that happened afterwards?
Your comment makes no sense at all.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 01:00 AM Mentsch613 Says:

reply to #32
Having served as a president of a Flatbush shul, I quickly learned that most of a shuls members can be grouped into two categories, the "doers" and "the complainers". There were always members I could count on to help on any project the shul implemented, and there was always the other group telling the doers how they were doing it wrong.
I'm guessing you are a complainer who always manages to find a reason why you aren't participating.
Here is some advice
Roll up your sleeves and help out on a chesed project. Go against your nature and tell people what a great job they are doing.
And for all you complainers about the Shabbos project and flatbush shuls, maybe the reason you don't find yourself accepted in a shul is because you never learned how to be a participating shul member.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 01:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
anonymous Says:

I would like to clarify something here and I hope readers can accept it with open minds and hearts.
I knew Joel/Yoilish well – very well. He was a broken, confused, tormented soul from his baby years. I don’t want to go into the painful details of his early years, his toddler years, his little boy years, prior to age 7 when he was supposedly raped in the local ritual bath. He was problematic, psychopathic and a social misfit from day one. Unfortunately, his sick mind was never able to differentiate between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy. Hence, his concocted stories of molestation. When confronted by a sibling years ago, he admitted that he lied about the rape allegations and responded, ‘Well, if it didn’t happen to me, it happened to somebody else.’ He jumped the molestation bandwagon in order to be perceived as a person with a cause and perhaps to be seen in some sort of positive light, whereas otherwise there was unfortunately nothing positive about his life and nothing for him to associate himself with where he would be perceived as a ‘mentsch’.

I love the way you know that he was not molested. As if u have connections up in the sky and know for sure what's going on. U probably don't even know him and u think because u saw hin once or u ate once a tuba bagel in the same restaurant as his uncle you know already that he is making up stories. Well I also don't know. But it's pretty obvious that a person in such pain is usually a victim fron child abuse. Talk to any educated man that knows a little bit. And he might have been a troubled boy before but that doesn't mean that getting molested makes a things 10 times worse. So slow down and and face it that u have really no idea that he was not molested.....

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 01:54 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
wondering Says:

tormented soul from his baby years? from his toddler years?
Just the fact that you accuse him of being tormented even at that age shows your level of intelligence and compassion. If he was 'tormented' as a bay or toddler then it was due to his parents neglect or worse. If they are that bad then how can you blame him for anything that happened afterwards?
Your comment makes no sense at all.

Sorry - change the word to 'tormenting'. Yes, Joel was a child who caused pain and anguish from when he was very very little and he certainly was not neglected or worse. He was raised with love and devotion but was never able to return it and he turned against anybody and everybody who showed him any measure of kindness, unfortunately. He was never able to hold onto friendships because he fought off all attempts. He was the terror on the block, the terror in the bungalow colony, the terror in the cheder class and the terror in the family. He fought all attempts to get him proper therapy and counseling and continued to lash out at those nearest and dearest to him. Unfortunately, such is the story of his life, among many other colorful details :(

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
anonymous Says:

I would like to clarify something here and I hope readers can accept it with open minds and hearts.
I knew Joel/Yoilish well – very well. He was a broken, confused, tormented soul from his baby years. I don’t want to go into the painful details of his early years, his toddler years, his little boy years, prior to age 7 when he was supposedly raped in the local ritual bath. He was problematic, psychopathic and a social misfit from day one. Unfortunately, his sick mind was never able to differentiate between truth and lies, between reality and fantasy. Hence, his concocted stories of molestation. When confronted by a sibling years ago, he admitted that he lied about the rape allegations and responded, ‘Well, if it didn’t happen to me, it happened to somebody else.’ He jumped the molestation bandwagon in order to be perceived as a person with a cause and perhaps to be seen in some sort of positive light, whereas otherwise there was unfortunately nothing positive about his life and nothing for him to associate himself with where he would be perceived as a ‘mentsch’.

The first person who is stating the truth. I too know him and his family well. He was trouble/troubled at a very early age; stealing in school, etc. He jumped on the molestation bandwagon several years ago when it became "hip" to say you left the fold because you were abused. He comes from a very fine, intelligent family who are suffering as a result of his deviant behavior.
People should not be so quick to believe everything they hear, without getting the other side of the story.
B"H we (chasidish jews) have Chesed Shel Emes, who gave him a proper jewish burial. May his soul rest in peace.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
ChareidiMan Says:

Shame on his family that distanced themselves from him all these years, yet they grabbed his body AGAINST HIS WILL and buried him!

This community will eventually have to wake up to the fact that there are hundreds being abused and scarred for life. This poor neshuma did nothing as an 8 year old but was grabbed by a Jewish man and was abused, and messed up his life forever.

may he rest in peace

Absolutely not! He was home at one point but then left again. He was a very disturbed child and his mother still loved him and would have taken him back if he had behaved in a proper manner. Wearing a cross and doing drugs is not accepted behavior in any Jewish home.
They grabbed his body?? He wanted to be cremated, r"l. They gave him a proper dignified jewish burial.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:15 AM voice of reality Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

You speak lashon Hara against someone who is now dead and can't speak for himself. Your community is notorious for defending molestors, otherwise I might believe you. Now I don't believe one word you said.

you obviously didn't know him or his family. Every word #3 said is true. Anyone who knows the family can vouch for that. This was a troubled kid whom the parents could not control. He gave them grief from an early age and in his teens he left, started wearing a cross and changed his name to spite them. the molestation story followed, when nuchem Rosenberg and pearl engelman made it the call of the otd community.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:49 AM TheVoiceOfTheIndividual Says:

Reply to #40  
YUDA20 Says:

I've never met Joey and know him only trough the Pics in the media, You can tell immediately upon looking at his face that the rest of his body attire is just wearing a costume, trough his eyes you can seep deep down there's a craving soul that is in a mental anguish and deep in pain, his face is entirely not in conjunction with his Hairstyle and body aromour...

Here you have a boy that was a victim of someone's lack of self restrained, probably a chain reaction to the molester himself being abused as a child who refused to let thug chain of molestation continue, it stopped by him.

Joey refused to allow himself to become a molester himself and it causes unimaginable pain and suffering.

On the contrary we have great success stories of people who have been greatly victimized as children only to move on and become he gear scholars, parents, business people, and lead a fulfilling life.

Unfortunately Joey did have in himself to do what it takes to overcome abuse, instead he surrounded himself with the wrong crew who's only mission was for sure not to help him but to use him as a vehicle to gain negative media attention by trashing an entire community as if sexual crimes are so rampant that it is systematically being shoved under the table to enable all rabbis and educators to continue abusing all the children in our communities.

This group of self hating under-accomplished ex-hasidic jews, who thrive on the only thing they do best by feeding the media's frenzy of negativity towards Hasidic Jews, refused to allow Joey to really heal, they have now won, Joey is dead now, they're ecstatic, they're running on full throttle, selling this story to the highest bidder in the market.

Don't allow yourself do be fooled, had Joey chosen to surround himself with the right people who meant his best this wouldn't have come to this, no one has to choose to live as a Hasidic Jew everyone can choose the type of community he wishes to join, however when you abandon your faith as some form of self therapy due to grievances on a particular community and lack of believe in the God who created you then you can never find peace and until you die your soul will demand its spiritual pleasures, you can't shut that down regardless whether you were molested or not.

To all of you who've been molested as a child a beg you for your own sake, do not seek redemption at the kinds of "Footsteps" and their likes, you will have temporary relive, the ultimate help cannot come by abandoning your maker, and your family, family is a big part of healing, you need to get in touch with the right professionals, may it be people from outside your community who seek your true healing.

And again no one has to stay stuck in a place especially when he was victimized in that particular community, whoever to use abuse as a reason to escape and betray the spiritual needs of ones soul will lead to the ultimate fall of the physical body as the soul dies down inside you and takes along your body.

Choosing to escape God due to an injury to your mentality is like going out drinking at the bar after getting yourself shot in the head.

Unfortunately,there are people who have been raised in environments that were so toxic,that they have lost all touch with their sense of self. (not the good kind of selflessness)



They have been abused mentally,emotionally,and spiritually,even to the extent,that they have had to become numb to their very own thoughts,emotions,beliefs,and perceptions,that they have had to become numb to their very own ideas,opinions,insights,and creativity,that they have had to become numb to their freedom of choice,that they have had to become numb to their very essence and truth.

Cont.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 07:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
YUDA20 Says:

I've never met Joey and know him only trough the Pics in the media, You can tell immediately upon looking at his face that the rest of his body attire is just wearing a costume, trough his eyes you can seep deep down there's a craving soul that is in a mental anguish and deep in pain, his face is entirely not in conjunction with his Hairstyle and body aromour...

Here you have a boy that was a victim of someone's lack of self restrained, probably a chain reaction to the molester himself being abused as a child who refused to let thug chain of molestation continue, it stopped by him.

Joey refused to allow himself to become a molester himself and it causes unimaginable pain and suffering.

On the contrary we have great success stories of people who have been greatly victimized as children only to move on and become he gear scholars, parents, business people, and lead a fulfilling life.

Unfortunately Joey did have in himself to do what it takes to overcome abuse, instead he surrounded himself with the wrong crew who's only mission was for sure not to help him but to use him as a vehicle to gain negative media attention by trashing an entire community as if sexual crimes are so rampant that it is systematically being shoved under the table to enable all rabbis and educators to continue abusing all the children in our communities.

This group of self hating under-accomplished ex-hasidic jews, who thrive on the only thing they do best by feeding the media's frenzy of negativity towards Hasidic Jews, refused to allow Joey to really heal, they have now won, Joey is dead now, they're ecstatic, they're running on full throttle, selling this story to the highest bidder in the market.

Don't allow yourself do be fooled, had Joey chosen to surround himself with the right people who meant his best this wouldn't have come to this, no one has to choose to live as a Hasidic Jew everyone can choose the type of community he wishes to join, however when you abandon your faith as some form of self therapy due to grievances on a particular community and lack of believe in the God who created you then you can never find peace and until you die your soul will demand its spiritual pleasures, you can't shut that down regardless whether you were molested or not.

To all of you who've been molested as a child a beg you for your own sake, do not seek redemption at the kinds of "Footsteps" and their likes, you will have temporary relive, the ultimate help cannot come by abandoning your maker, and your family, family is a big part of healing, you need to get in touch with the right professionals, may it be people from outside your community who seek your true healing.

And again no one has to stay stuck in a place especially when he was victimized in that particular community, whoever to use abuse as a reason to escape and betray the spiritual needs of ones soul will lead to the ultimate fall of the physical body as the soul dies down inside you and takes along your body.

Choosing to escape God due to an injury to your mentality is like going out drinking at the bar after getting yourself shot in the head.

Absolutely! Stay in the same communities that protect molesters , give them kovud, enable them and persecute the victims. Anyone who's been a victim of molesters in Hassidish communities would have to be crazy to stay. They're worse than the Catholic Church!

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 07:50 AM brooklynjew Says:

Reply to #40  
YUDA20 Says:

I've never met Joey and know him only trough the Pics in the media, You can tell immediately upon looking at his face that the rest of his body attire is just wearing a costume, trough his eyes you can seep deep down there's a craving soul that is in a mental anguish and deep in pain, his face is entirely not in conjunction with his Hairstyle and body aromour...

Here you have a boy that was a victim of someone's lack of self restrained, probably a chain reaction to the molester himself being abused as a child who refused to let thug chain of molestation continue, it stopped by him.

Joey refused to allow himself to become a molester himself and it causes unimaginable pain and suffering.

On the contrary we have great success stories of people who have been greatly victimized as children only to move on and become he gear scholars, parents, business people, and lead a fulfilling life.

Unfortunately Joey did have in himself to do what it takes to overcome abuse, instead he surrounded himself with the wrong crew who's only mission was for sure not to help him but to use him as a vehicle to gain negative media attention by trashing an entire community as if sexual crimes are so rampant that it is systematically being shoved under the table to enable all rabbis and educators to continue abusing all the children in our communities.

This group of self hating under-accomplished ex-hasidic jews, who thrive on the only thing they do best by feeding the media's frenzy of negativity towards Hasidic Jews, refused to allow Joey to really heal, they have now won, Joey is dead now, they're ecstatic, they're running on full throttle, selling this story to the highest bidder in the market.

Don't allow yourself do be fooled, had Joey chosen to surround himself with the right people who meant his best this wouldn't have come to this, no one has to choose to live as a Hasidic Jew everyone can choose the type of community he wishes to join, however when you abandon your faith as some form of self therapy due to grievances on a particular community and lack of believe in the God who created you then you can never find peace and until you die your soul will demand its spiritual pleasures, you can't shut that down regardless whether you were molested or not.

To all of you who've been molested as a child a beg you for your own sake, do not seek redemption at the kinds of "Footsteps" and their likes, you will have temporary relive, the ultimate help cannot come by abandoning your maker, and your family, family is a big part of healing, you need to get in touch with the right professionals, may it be people from outside your community who seek your true healing.

And again no one has to stay stuck in a place especially when he was victimized in that particular community, whoever to use abuse as a reason to escape and betray the spiritual needs of ones soul will lead to the ultimate fall of the physical body as the soul dies down inside you and takes along your body.

Choosing to escape God due to an injury to your mentality is like going out drinking at the bar after getting yourself shot in the head.

Your comment is at # 40 which signifies bina...
You got it right, and explained it beutifuly...
thank you

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 07:54 AM brooklynjew Says:

Reply to #43  
Mentsch613 Says:

reply to #32
Having served as a president of a Flatbush shul, I quickly learned that most of a shuls members can be grouped into two categories, the "doers" and "the complainers". There were always members I could count on to help on any project the shul implemented, and there was always the other group telling the doers how they were doing it wrong.
I'm guessing you are a complainer who always manages to find a reason why you aren't participating.
Here is some advice
Roll up your sleeves and help out on a chesed project. Go against your nature and tell people what a great job they are doing.
And for all you complainers about the Shabbos project and flatbush shuls, maybe the reason you don't find yourself accepted in a shul is because you never learned how to be a participating shul member.

Right on brother...

A voice of reason in the wilderness...
thx

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 09:29 AM Realist77 Says:

To those that state he could not be believed because he was using drugs, educate yourselves. People who are not in treatment ( and even in treatment) search for substances to reduce their pain and anguish. Many drug/alcohol abusers use their substance of choice to be able to live "normally" and numb themselves to their emotional pain. Do not be so quick to judge.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 10:33 AM lisa cornell Says:

^^^^ you see that name? that's my real name. I am not postings Anonymous like all you cowards who are disrespecting and denigrating joey. He had plenty of friends and people who loved him in his new life. how dare you say he didn't. how dare you blame him and not the abusers. how dare you ignore and hide your head in the sand. how dare you desecrate what the Torah says. shame on you. shame shame shame. his blood is on your hands.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

There are some out there who live off these things. It seems they actually despise kids who actually live normal lives DESPITE being abused. Yes, it sounds really strange but that is emes. There are many BH who actually are okay despite being abused. And when you have someone who r'l dies by questionable methods such as a drug overdose in this case, there are those who WISH it to be suicide instead of accidental.

Sorry but taking a lot of drugs, enough to potentially cause overdose, IS suicide, no matter how you slice it. Anyone who doesn't want to die doesn't take that much drugs.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

Sorry but taking a lot of drugs, enough to potentially cause overdose, IS suicide, no matter how you slice it. Anyone who doesn't want to die doesn't take that much drugs.

"Anyone who doesn't want to die doesn't take that much drugs."

First of all, it's that "many" drugs and not that "much." Secondly, you are not a medical expert. He was getting these drugs from the Frum community and it doesn't take much to have an adverse reaction.

Thirdly, stop defaming one of our precious boys whom we threw away. I hope you aren't a parent.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 01:42 PM Mentsch613 Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

"Anyone who doesn't want to die doesn't take that much drugs."

First of all, it's that "many" drugs and not that "much." Secondly, you are not a medical expert. He was getting these drugs from the Frum community and it doesn't take much to have an adverse reaction.

Thirdly, stop defaming one of our precious boys whom we threw away. I hope you aren't a parent.

You accuse others of defaming one boy but then you go right on ahead and defame an entire community
"He was getting these drugs from the Frum community ". Of course the irony escapes you.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 12:44 PM Maven Says:

Nebach such a broken confused tormented soul died so young.

We may never know if he was really abused or not. Lets say that he was abused and still i and many wont buy it.And here is why:
There is a certain so called child activist who has a hotline and a blog and this individual claims on his blog and hotline that it was one of two brothers which he mentions by name who abused joey in the Marcy Avenue mikvah in Williamsburg.

Any sane normal person knows that this is a total fabrication and all he is trying to do is to slander and defame these two brothers. Thats why i believe the entire abuse story is made up.Chances are that this activist took advantage of Joey to make up the abuse story .
I know many of you will say that the most revered and respected holy people are capable of abusing kids.Yes its true. Still what this activist claims is a lie and shame on him and shame on anyone who listens to him.

VIN please post my comment

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:49 PM rebbe123 Says:

Reply to #54  
lisa cornell Says:

^^^^ you see that name? that's my real name. I am not postings Anonymous like all you cowards who are disrespecting and denigrating joey. He had plenty of friends and people who loved him in his new life. how dare you say he didn't. how dare you blame him and not the abusers. how dare you ignore and hide your head in the sand. how dare you desecrate what the Torah says. shame on you. shame shame shame. his blood is on your hands.

Someone who disrespected and denigrated Hashem VeToroso does NOT deserve any respect whatsoever in the contrary

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
villyamsburger Says:

What a naughty comment.

Are you saying that we can't acknowledge and understand victims of abuse while hosting guest? Yes we can.

We must acknowledge that this was a accidental overdose and we must acknowledge that Yoely U"H suffered greatly.

We cannot sit with our hands tied and claim suicide.

And how do YOU know that it was an "accidental" overdose?

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
schwartzi Says:

Excellent comment. I feel EXACTLY the same way as you. this stupidity, instead of working on our ahavas yisroel,we spend time with this Flatbush(y) shtus. There are many more problems that come before project shabbos. Let's work on those first.

And who are you to decide which causes should take precedence, or that numerous causes can be worked on simultaneously? So there should be no Kiruv rechokim or work on other worthy causes until child abuse is completely eradicated? Dumb.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

Why is loshon hara on an entire community more acceptable than on someone who left yidishkeit totally.

Excellent point ! YASHER KOACH. The answer is, because all those who have an ax to going with all Rabbonim, use the issue of child abuse to further their own sinful agendas!

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

I love the way you know that he was not molested. As if u have connections up in the sky and know for sure what's going on. U probably don't even know him and u think because u saw hin once or u ate once a tuba bagel in the same restaurant as his uncle you know already that he is making up stories. Well I also don't know. But it's pretty obvious that a person in such pain is usually a victim fron child abuse. Talk to any educated man that knows a little bit. And he might have been a troubled boy before but that doesn't mean that getting molested makes a things 10 times worse. So slow down and and face it that u have really no idea that he was not molested.....

Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 03:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Absolutely not! He was home at one point but then left again. He was a very disturbed child and his mother still loved him and would have taken him back if he had behaved in a proper manner. Wearing a cross and doing drugs is not accepted behavior in any Jewish home.
They grabbed his body?? He wanted to be cremated, r"l. They gave him a proper dignified jewish burial.

If he made his wishes to be cremated known, how can anyone doubt that he committed suicide?

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 03:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
rebbe123 Says:

Someone who disrespected and denigrated Hashem VeToroso does NOT deserve any respect whatsoever in the contrary

"Someone who disrespected and denigrated Hashem VeToroso does NOT deserve any respect whatsoever in the contrary"

How about the Rabbis who molested him? Do you respect them more?

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 03:59 PM lisa cornell Says:

Reply to #59  
rebbe123 Says:

Someone who disrespected and denigrated Hashem VeToroso does NOT deserve any respect whatsoever in the contrary

I feel so sad for your ignorance. I hope you don't have any kids because you are too blind to see. you are destined to perpetuate the abuse and by turning a blind eye to what is right in front of you is an abomination. my god I pray you have no children.....shame on you. what is your real name anyway rebbe123? I am not afraid or ashamed to post my name, why are you?

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested.

"Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested."

His parents told the DA when he was 8. No 8 year old makes this up and others came forward from the same mikvah at the same time with the same story. It was the same Rabbi with many different little boys. Sort of like the same Rabbi peeping at many different women in the mikvah, only the women were not touched.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 09:31 PM PMOinFL Says:

I've read all the comments and I just want to make a few points.

1. There is a LARGE amount of evidence that he was sexually assaulted on many occasions and there are witnesses and others who were assaulted by the same men.

2. Nobody is out to make Satmar or any other group look bad. Bringing attention to a fact that SOME communities openly engage in grotesque practices of shaming and defaming victims who report incidents of rape and sexual assault is not about making anyone look bad. It is about stating facts. We have SOME communities that believe that calling the police is mesira. We all get it. But if that will be your stance, you have to be prepared for people to challenge that stance. When you take that position, you must know that the rest of the civilized world will find your beliefs and practices to be abhorrent, disgusting, vile. They are also CRIMINAL. You don't get to complain about people judging you when you openly commit sex crimes or cover them up.

3. This poor boy was broken by people he was supposed to trust: The molesters, thugs and their co-conspirators. Make no mistake - what he became, was his choice... but WE tipped the scales against him.

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 Oct 22, 2014 at 11:58 PM naisgal Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

Indeed, in some Shuls even if you are frum, but are not in the clique, you will be shunned, and eventually hounded out the shul altogether. These are the very same shuls participating in this PR show. Hypocrites.

What you say is absolutely TRUE. There are so many widows, older singles, and divorces NEVER invited to anyone's home for a single meal and cannot afford a hotel so eat alone for SHABBOS every week and for all or most Yom Tovem. I do not think they are bad company or a threat to anyone, but they are frum so no new donations will be coming to the community or no WOWS that you made someone frum. Sorry, it is what it is.Tthere were too many disgusting allegations about this young man RIP, of 34, who was clearly disturbed emotionally, whether it was because he had a chemical imbalance from time he was a baby that caused it or because his obvious confusion and vulnerability drew a molester/child rapist to him. Either way he is dead and no truly frum person would need to kick him even now to ruin his memory. Some just cannot stop bullying even after a person is in the grave. Those who did this likely fear their own misconduct may be brought to light and believed. Just take a bow that you won, your ridicule and loshon hora was piled onto this young boy who may have needed help, not blame and finger pointing and tongue wagging. Hypocrites is right word for those with no mercy. RUN away!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

"Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested."

His parents told the DA when he was 8. No 8 year old makes this up and others came forward from the same mikvah at the same time with the same story. It was the same Rabbi with many different little boys. Sort of like the same Rabbi peeping at many different women in the mikvah, only the women were not touched.

The community is sick to deny this and cover it up. Never take a young boy to a mikva and leave him unattended with anyone, or do not take at all.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:04 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

"Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested."

His parents told the DA when he was 8. No 8 year old makes this up and others came forward from the same mikvah at the same time with the same story. It was the same Rabbi with many different little boys. Sort of like the same Rabbi peeping at many different women in the mikvah, only the women were not touched.

Re the person who taped is worse as he can sell the video or watch over and over, worse than a peeping Tom. Some of these same deniers say the Rabbi had to do so to check if things done right ( Ummm No) or was to be thought of as a Dr. ( Double no as there is consent with a DR. and a benefit to the patient, not the Dr.s need to be prurient). This whole thread shows perverse thinking throughout. IF a kid needs attention at 7 and even knows what rape is, please explain how to help him not shun him.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Maven Says:

Nebach such a broken confused tormented soul died so young.

We may never know if he was really abused or not. Lets say that he was abused and still i and many wont buy it.And here is why:
There is a certain so called child activist who has a hotline and a blog and this individual claims on his blog and hotline that it was one of two brothers which he mentions by name who abused joey in the Marcy Avenue mikvah in Williamsburg.

Any sane normal person knows that this is a total fabrication and all he is trying to do is to slander and defame these two brothers. Thats why i believe the entire abuse story is made up.Chances are that this activist took advantage of Joey to make up the abuse story .
I know many of you will say that the most revered and respected holy people are capable of abusing kids.Yes its true. Still what this activist claims is a lie and shame on him and shame on anyone who listens to him.

VIN please post my comment

How foolish you are. The ones who are most tormented are the ones taken advantage of. The others, yourself included, do not believe it because it did not happen to them. 7 year old do not know what rape is, even. They are not manipulated to lie. They fear telling and their molesters warn them to stay silent or else. Unless YOU change you will have this keep happening. Nazis threw babies onto fire also and that is denied still! DENIER ALLOW THIS!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Mentsch613 Says:

You accuse others of defaming one boy but then you go right on ahead and defame an entire community
"He was getting these drugs from the Frum community ". Of course the irony escapes you.

Drugs is an addiction. Rape is a crime

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
anonymous Says:

Sorry - change the word to 'tormenting'. Yes, Joel was a child who caused pain and anguish from when he was very very little and he certainly was not neglected or worse. He was raised with love and devotion but was never able to return it and he turned against anybody and everybody who showed him any measure of kindness, unfortunately. He was never able to hold onto friendships because he fought off all attempts. He was the terror on the block, the terror in the bungalow colony, the terror in the cheder class and the terror in the family. He fought all attempts to get him proper therapy and counseling and continued to lash out at those nearest and dearest to him. Unfortunately, such is the story of his life, among many other colorful details :(

You are a bully. Your post blames a small child and continues to blame till his death. Classic bully.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 01:45 AM Meilitzyosher Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

"Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested."

His parents told the DA when he was 8. No 8 year old makes this up and others came forward from the same mikvah at the same time with the same story. It was the same Rabbi with many different little boys. Sort of like the same Rabbi peeping at many different women in the mikvah, only the women were not touched.

Totally fabricated!! we can only believe up to what he claims. In his interview on TV he says that he never told a soul until after he left the community. So before you want to say something get your facts right!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 01:58 AM Tzippy Says:

All of you should be ashamed, denigrating the memory of a fellow Human Being. Your Day of Reckoning will come when you will face those you slandered and shamed

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 07:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

"Nor can you be sure that he WAS molested."

His parents told the DA when he was 8. No 8 year old makes this up and others came forward from the same mikvah at the same time with the same story. It was the same Rabbi with many different little boys. Sort of like the same Rabbi peeping at many different women in the mikvah, only the women were not touched.

You are lying through your teeth, or is it your fingertips. His parents never went to the DA and never reported that he was molested. He was NEVER molested! He admitted it to his psychiatrist and to his sibs - he fabricated the whole story and was egged on by people who have an agenda and actually wish more kids were molested so they can continue to spew their hate. Joel was a heavy heroin user - his mind couldn't differentiate between fantasy and reality. When he was 'convinced' by some 'good friends' that he was molested, it became a new battle cry for him.
Stop spewing all this hatred. Get out of your garbage cans, including VIN News, and start living.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 09:23 AM monishmo Says:

Reply to #10  
ChareidiMan Says:

Shame on his family that distanced themselves from him all these years, yet they grabbed his body AGAINST HIS WILL and buried him!

This community will eventually have to wake up to the fact that there are hundreds being abused and scarred for life. This poor neshuma did nothing as an 8 year old but was grabbed by a Jewish man and was abused, and messed up his life forever.

may he rest in peace

I know the family personally and you have no idea how involved and supportive his family was whenever he allowed them to be. He had loving parents that left no stone unturned. Shame on you that can condemn innocent hurting parents. Obviously you don't have your own tzoras that can condemn them this way. Joel was a troubled soul and they dealt with his issues with no success. May hashem give nechoma for his wonderful parents and siblings.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 09:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

His doctors disagree with you. At 8 he told the truth to his parents about what happened in the mikvah. Other 10 year old boys told the same story. The DA refused to listen as usual. There are hundreds of boys and men with the identical story and they are all at risk of overdose. We are experts at denial while our pedophiles are honored. Weber man and the others are not heroes despite what you claim.

that he told his mother at age 8 is one of his lies. He did not walk into a mikvah with his father till age 12

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
anonymous Says:

Sorry - change the word to 'tormenting'. Yes, Joel was a child who caused pain and anguish from when he was very very little and he certainly was not neglected or worse. He was raised with love and devotion but was never able to return it and he turned against anybody and everybody who showed him any measure of kindness, unfortunately. He was never able to hold onto friendships because he fought off all attempts. He was the terror on the block, the terror in the bungalow colony, the terror in the cheder class and the terror in the family. He fought all attempts to get him proper therapy and counseling and continued to lash out at those nearest and dearest to him. Unfortunately, such is the story of his life, among many other colorful details :(

SHAME ON YOU. LEAVE HIM IN PEACE.

How dare you insult and demean a dead man??

If you were really on the block, or in the bungalows, or in the cheder, or among his family, you would NEVER speak like this. You are tormenting his soul. Your language is appalling. Shame on you.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 11:25 AM Ina Says:

Reply to #68  
PMOinFL Says:

I've read all the comments and I just want to make a few points.

1. There is a LARGE amount of evidence that he was sexually assaulted on many occasions and there are witnesses and others who were assaulted by the same men.

2. Nobody is out to make Satmar or any other group look bad. Bringing attention to a fact that SOME communities openly engage in grotesque practices of shaming and defaming victims who report incidents of rape and sexual assault is not about making anyone look bad. It is about stating facts. We have SOME communities that believe that calling the police is mesira. We all get it. But if that will be your stance, you have to be prepared for people to challenge that stance. When you take that position, you must know that the rest of the civilized world will find your beliefs and practices to be abhorrent, disgusting, vile. They are also CRIMINAL. You don't get to complain about people judging you when you openly commit sex crimes or cover them up.

3. This poor boy was broken by people he was supposed to trust: The molesters, thugs and their co-conspirators. Make no mistake - what he became, was his choice... but WE tipped the scales against him.

"This poor boy was....."

Joey Diangello was not a boy. At 34 years of age, he was an adult who had ample opportunity to grow up and make mature choices!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:

What causes a little boy to be "tormented" from a "very very young" age? What causes a little boy to be a "tormentor" from a "very very young" age, as commenters here insist?

Biological or situational, genetic or environmental, nature or nurture. Whichever it is, and whatever his story may have been, truth or lie, the answer is one of those two. If he was emotionally disturbed from a "very very young" age because of genetic or chemical issues, or if he was emotionally disturbed because of situational, environmental conditions, then everyone here must examine the root causes of his illnesses rather than assail and attack him. Period.

If a "very very young" boy's illness was due to chemical or biological damage, like schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder or delusion, then how could any fair person assail him? If a "very, very young" boy's illness was due to situational or environmental damage, like emotional trauma of any sort, up to and including the horrific possibility that he was physically assaulted as he maintained, how could any fair and compassionate person assail him?

No more victim blaming. Let this poor boy rest. Address whatever caused his illnesses.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
Anonymous Says:

What causes a little boy to be "tormented" from a "very very young" age? What causes a little boy to be a "tormentor" from a "very very young" age, as commenters here insist?

Biological or situational, genetic or environmental, nature or nurture. Whichever it is, and whatever his story may have been, truth or lie, the answer is one of those two. If he was emotionally disturbed from a "very very young" age because of genetic or chemical issues, or if he was emotionally disturbed because of situational, environmental conditions, then everyone here must examine the root causes of his illnesses rather than assail and attack him. Period.

If a "very very young" boy's illness was due to chemical or biological damage, like schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder or delusion, then how could any fair person assail him? If a "very, very young" boy's illness was due to situational or environmental damage, like emotional trauma of any sort, up to and including the horrific possibility that he was physically assaulted as he maintained, how could any fair and compassionate person assail him?

No more victim blaming. Let this poor boy rest. Address whatever caused his illnesses.

Go open all prison doors wide and let everybody run free.
Ever heard of bechirah? A person can choose to better himself, even if born with evil and warped inclinations. Especially if offered all the help and tools.
You are right; let's let him rest in peace, but do not give life to his lies.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 01:13 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #82  
Anonymous Says:

What causes a little boy to be "tormented" from a "very very young" age? What causes a little boy to be a "tormentor" from a "very very young" age, as commenters here insist?

Biological or situational, genetic or environmental, nature or nurture. Whichever it is, and whatever his story may have been, truth or lie, the answer is one of those two. If he was emotionally disturbed from a "very very young" age because of genetic or chemical issues, or if he was emotionally disturbed because of situational, environmental conditions, then everyone here must examine the root causes of his illnesses rather than assail and attack him. Period.

If a "very very young" boy's illness was due to chemical or biological damage, like schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder or delusion, then how could any fair person assail him? If a "very, very young" boy's illness was due to situational or environmental damage, like emotional trauma of any sort, up to and including the horrific possibility that he was physically assaulted as he maintained, how could any fair and compassionate person assail him?

No more victim blaming. Let this poor boy rest. Address whatever caused his illnesses.

"Let this poor boy rest."

Is a 34 year old adult a "poor boy"?!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #83  
Anonymous Says:

Go open all prison doors wide and let everybody run free.
Ever heard of bechirah? A person can choose to better himself, even if born with evil and warped inclinations. Especially if offered all the help and tools.
You are right; let's let him rest in peace, but do not give life to his lies.

Babies are not born with evil or warped inclinations. They are either chemically or congenitally damaged or their are psychologically damaged after birth.

And you need to re-read my post. I do not give life to his lies at all. His story is irrelevant to the treatment he is receiving here.

My point is to say that children, do not have such behavioral issues, unless they have either chemical, congenital and/or psychological ailments. Even assuming that he did "lie" as you seem to be so convinced, the question of his behavior; the "lying," the "tormenting" that he allegedly inflicted on those around him as a very very little boy, as a previous commenter claimed, point to either chemical/biological, or a psychological ailment.

Stop passing judgment on whether he lied or not. Only he and his accused will ever know. Strive to understand why someone would behave like this from a "very very young" age, and what would cause it.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 04:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
Ina Says:

"Let this poor boy rest."

Is a 34 year old adult a "poor boy"?!

YES, even at 34, someone as troubled as he was, for as long as he was, is still a "boy" and someone that we should all have pity on. And you know it. Let the poor boy rest.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 06:26 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #86  
Anonymous Says:

YES, even at 34, someone as troubled as he was, for as long as he was, is still a "boy" and someone that we should all have pity on. And you know it. Let the poor boy rest.

The only thing I am certain of here, is that he was a 34 year old adult. All adults have the ability to get help and to make mature decisions. If he couldn't, there was likely much more than a molestation issue at bay.

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #82  
Anonymous Says:

What causes a little boy to be "tormented" from a "very very young" age? What causes a little boy to be a "tormentor" from a "very very young" age, as commenters here insist?

Biological or situational, genetic or environmental, nature or nurture. Whichever it is, and whatever his story may have been, truth or lie, the answer is one of those two. If he was emotionally disturbed from a "very very young" age because of genetic or chemical issues, or if he was emotionally disturbed because of situational, environmental conditions, then everyone here must examine the root causes of his illnesses rather than assail and attack him. Period.

If a "very very young" boy's illness was due to chemical or biological damage, like schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder or delusion, then how could any fair person assail him? If a "very, very young" boy's illness was due to situational or environmental damage, like emotional trauma of any sort, up to and including the horrific possibility that he was physically assaulted as he maintained, how could any fair and compassionate person assail him?

No more victim blaming. Let this poor boy rest. Address whatever caused his illnesses.

It is not Joey who we are lashing out at. there are people here lashing out at all the people Joey accused in his lifetime and we are disproving all his accusations. Remember!! A liar isn't believed even when he says the truth so we cannot judge what he said

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

No one in the community is interested in helping those that are frum. They are only interested in this foolishness called project shabbis where they are looking for new converts. The first thing that needs to be done is shore up your current base and then seek baal tshuvis.

But there is big big money in the baal tshuva movement. That is the cause and effect of this shabbis of inviting people into the homes.

They push some out and take others in. And they neglect the people who are neediest, the widows, singles, divorced. Chassidem comes from word Chesed, so where is the chesed?

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 10:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

If he made his wishes to be cremated known, how can anyone doubt that he committed suicide?

More than 50% choose cremation, it is cheaper and it takes less space. No, they did not commit suicide. DUH!

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 Oct 23, 2014 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88  
Anonymous Says:

It is not Joey who we are lashing out at. there are people here lashing out at all the people Joey accused in his lifetime and we are disproving all his accusations. Remember!! A liar isn't believed even when he says the truth so we cannot judge what he said

Gut in himmel you do not get it at all. You disproved his lies? Not to anyone but your community who will keep calling EVERY accuser a liar. You disproved one thing only, that you have a heart that cares when someone says OUCH! You think they just shout for nothing.

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 Oct 24, 2014 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Ina Says:

The only thing I am certain of here, is that he was a 34 year old adult. All adults have the ability to get help and to make mature decisions. If he couldn't, there was likely much more than a molestation issue at bay.

You are also certain that he made allegations at a very young age as that has been acknowledged as fact by all sides of this issue. And, surely you do understand that a child of such a young age who makes allegations such as he did, whether truth or lies, is clearly an ill child. You are very likely correct that "there was likely much more than a molestation issue" here. Issues affecting his judgment and ability to reason. Issues preventing him from making "mature decisions." Issues that preventing him from maturing from the troubled boy he was, into the adult you expect him to be. Simply because a troubled person is unable get the help you believe he should/could have, it doesn't mean that person deserves scorn and derision in death. Period.

My interaction with you is based on your reply, for some reason, questioning whether a 34year old could be called a "poor boy." I stand my my original comment. Leave the poor boy to rest in peace. And shame on the others who continue to defame the dead.

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 Oct 24, 2014 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
Anonymous Says:

More than 50% choose cremation, it is cheaper and it takes less space. No, they did not commit suicide. DUH!

So you're saying it's common for a 34 year old physically healthy individual to already be planning how he wishes to be buried, and you are sure that couldnt have indicated that he was suicidal???? Duh.

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 Oct 24, 2014 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Look, we will obviously never know whether he was molested or not. The fact remains though that he was a deeply troubled young man mentally. There is help out there for those who seek it and living a normal life after such a terrible occurrence l"a is possible as well, if you were normal to start with.

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 Oct 24, 2014 at 03:33 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #92  
Anonymous Says:

You are also certain that he made allegations at a very young age as that has been acknowledged as fact by all sides of this issue. And, surely you do understand that a child of such a young age who makes allegations such as he did, whether truth or lies, is clearly an ill child. You are very likely correct that "there was likely much more than a molestation issue" here. Issues affecting his judgment and ability to reason. Issues preventing him from making "mature decisions." Issues that preventing him from maturing from the troubled boy he was, into the adult you expect him to be. Simply because a troubled person is unable get the help you believe he should/could have, it doesn't mean that person deserves scorn and derision in death. Period.

My interaction with you is based on your reply, for some reason, questioning whether a 34year old could be called a "poor boy." I stand my my original comment. Leave the poor boy to rest in peace. And shame on the others who continue to defame the dead.

I have not heaped upon him any scorn. And I too, stand by my view. A 34 year old adult is not a poor boy. There does come a time in everyone's life where they become responsible for their own destiny.

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 Oct 26, 2014 at 01:05 AM anonymous Says:

The bottom line is that Joel was never molested. The bickering can continue forever here, but it won't change the truth. Yes, we should all move forward and let him rest in peace and news sites like VIN, and bloggers like many on VIN should be ashamed of themselves for being the conduit to one of the biggest recent chillul Hashem's.

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 Oct 26, 2014 at 04:10 AM pacelattin Says:

I am amazed by the complete lack of compassion and the extensive victim blaming.

Whatever happened, he clearly was suffering. Many survivors self Medicate and make bad decisions.

This is an example of attempting to whitewash the fact there are child molesters being protected often by leaders.

Attacking someone who just died with anonymous posts only proves my point.

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 Oct 26, 2014 at 04:45 PM Common Says:

Reply to #93  
Anonymous Says:

So you're saying it's common for a 34 year old physically healthy individual to already be planning how he wishes to be buried, and you are sure that couldnt have indicated that he was suicidal???? Duh.

It is a mitzvah for long life to arrange a burial site and I know a couple who on their first anniversary were given a burial plot as a present. Cremation is not an unusual topic among the non Orthodox. But surely he was a pained soul taking drugs and knowing the consequences thereof, so yea he discussed his choice of what to do with his body. Look it up and many feel being in an urn is better than worms eating body. No we do not agree here but just to let you know that this community is unaware of many things common to outsiders. I believe his parents tried, as most would, but that is why the right professional help is sought, not unprofessional help give and which adds to the flames as was the case with Weberman ( and your community even raised money to continue the cover up). PLEASE learn from mistakes. A "very very" young boy with evil inclinations can still use that to benefit a community somehow. The way you talk here it is like you are saying good riddance to bad rubbish. You may lack what to do to help someone as we are limited humans, but where is te3h emotion for another of your own. Lucky you that you had no illness. Uch un Vey otherwise.

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