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London - Children Of Belz Sect Banned From U.K. Schools If Mothers Drive Them There

Published on: May 28, 2015 11:21 AM
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London – The British leaders of the Belz Hasidic sect in the U.K. have publicly stated that women are not allowed to drive, and that children whose mothers drive them to school will be banned starting in August.

Leaders from Belz schools sent out a letter last week stating that allowing female drivers is against the modesty rules of the sect and goes against the “norms” of general Hasidic organization, and that the increase of mothers driving their children to school has fostered resentment among other parents at the school, according to the Jewish Chronicle (http://bit.ly/1PQ5hqk ).

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The letter was endorsed by Belz rabbis, specifically, by the Belzer Rebbe in Israel, Rabbi Yissachar Dov Rokeach, who suggested the introduction of the policy banning students.

Dina Brawer, U.K. Ambassador of the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance, called the ban is “shameful and disturbing.”

Information taken from The Jewish Chronicle



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 May 28, 2015 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

I don't think if anyone wants to leave Belz will stop them. This is the rules they require if u don't like it leave. Same as anyone can make rules in their company they can also.

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 May 28, 2015 at 11:57 AM fat36 Says:

Women driving should be there only problem when those rabbis and men in general look at themselves in the mirror to see how they conduct their lives then we can get down to the women driving

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:01 PM Anonymous Says:

hmmm. not rly sure the Belzer Rabbi endorsed this because Belzer women most definitely drive. my grandfather, a big belzer chossid since R' Aharon's times, encouraged driving for women. Something's off.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Disgraceful. Making women's life harder banning driving to grocery store and school. You want them to work, take care of family without help from husband who past nisht to do women's work when you are making women do men's work by going out to work.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:10 PM Mark Levin Says:

Wonderful, give the lovers of Yisroel more fodder for their shtussim.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

I know that there are a lot of Arabs in the U.K. but it is not Saudi Arabia. These people are going to go so far to the right, they are going to fall off.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:14 PM Sholi-Katz Says:

How ridicules is this whole thing. What is Un-Tzneisdik about driving???.
Here in Monsey they don't let the Chasidisha women drive. But the irony is - they let these young wives and daughters get into car services with some lowlife driving.
I watch and shudder outside Rockland Kosher how these pretty dressed up young chasidisha ladies getting into a car where the driver is black as coal, undocumented, from some African county (I understand not to judge by color and most are fine and kind people ), Monsey is not the city, here there are deserted places everywhere. It is also known that in our circles these " things" are swept under the carpet. These guys can head back to Africa and now go find them. There is also going around the grapevine stories that already happened.
So let your wives and daughters drive around with these guys.... but g-d forbid don't let them drive themselves. A bunch of meshogoyim, un-logical idiots. What about Pikeach Nefesh?

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:15 PM lostinCA Says:

it's a private school, and if u don't like it, find a different school
whatever happened to freedom of association?

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:15 PM judith Says:

Yes the ban is shameful and disturbing, but there are many other schools to choose from. Why go to a school that has such rules?

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:22 PM HighIQ Says:

I can't wait to read all the caustic comments on this piece of news! (If I may add, you don't have to agree but you don't have to put down other people's views and opinions)

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM HighIQ Says:

This picture is taken on Egerton Road, outside the Yesodey Hatorah Senior school (a building that was mostly paid for by the government,) what is the connection between this and Belz?

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:29 PM Just Wondering.... Says:

So instead of driving and no one notice them now they have to walk (regardless of weather) and have all the men stare at them. How is this more Tznius???

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:30 PM Mazal1 Says:

Rybiny shel olum we are not the Taliban! The rabbis are ruining judism.!!

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:35 PM Come on Says:

Seriously? This is news? It must be a quiet news day.
This is a typical rule in many chassidish schools around the globe and really, who cares?
Don't send there if you don't like the rules!

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 May 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Yes, sir, keep those of the opposite gender BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT is how they think.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

This is why many yungerleit are ABANDONING the chasidish lifestyle.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:44 PM bubii Says:

OY GEVALT SIZ TAKE GEFERLEH,WHATS HAPPENING WITH OUR SANITY.

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:47 PM Der Lita Says:

Just another reason I'm glad to be a LITVAK!!!!!

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 May 28, 2015 at 12:55 PM huvsa Says:

Sometimes you have to know what not to print. This article was one of them. Sonei Yisroel don't need more reasons to ridicule Jews.

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 May 28, 2015 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Oh, please, like this has anything to do with modesty! It is all about control.

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 May 28, 2015 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

female should stop working to support the family If they are not allowed to
dr ive the famly car They should pull the children from schools run by Belz
The rabbis should not be given money They should go to work like everyone
else

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 May 28, 2015 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
huvsa Says:

Sometimes you have to know what not to print. This article was one of them. Sonei Yisroel don't need more reasons to ridicule Jews.

You are mostly correct, but unfortunately some Sonei Yisroel are Jews... which unfortunately is why this article was published.

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 May 28, 2015 at 01:53 PM Mazal1 Says:

Reply to #19  
huvsa Says:

Sometimes you have to know what not to print. This article was one of them. Sonei Yisroel don't need more reasons to ridicule Jews.

On npr they said half the news stories are written by computers who have no feelings or sechil and I knoe,

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 May 28, 2015 at 02:05 PM judith Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

You are mostly correct, but unfortunately some Sonei Yisroel are Jews... which unfortunately is why this article was published.

Why should the truth be censored?

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 May 28, 2015 at 02:07 PM judith Says:

Reply to #12  
Just Wondering.... Says:

So instead of driving and no one notice them now they have to walk (regardless of weather) and have all the men stare at them. How is this more Tznius???

Soon they will be forbidden from walking outside. It has already happened in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan.

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 May 28, 2015 at 02:23 PM DenverYid Says:

The upside is that there's a revolt within the school by the women to buck the system and drive anyway, something that the school never had to deal with. Hopefully the women won't give into scare tactics and continue to drive their kids to school.

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 May 28, 2015 at 02:52 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #19  
huvsa Says:

Sometimes you have to know what not to print. This article was one of them. Sonei Yisroel don't need more reasons to ridicule Jews.

BLAME THOSE THAT CREATE SITUATIONS WHERE THE NONJEWS CAN RIDICULE THE JEWS, YOU ARE ONE GIGANTIC SHOITE IF YOU DONT SEE THAT

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 May 28, 2015 at 02:54 PM honestbroker Says:

Something is missing here. Unless there's more to this story, they might as well be living in Saudi Arabia

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:13 PM Monsey/NY Chassidim Says:

Attn: Monsey/NY Chassidim -
Why is it more modest for your wives to be driven around by seedy/low-life's in taxis all day/night long, than for your wives to drive themselves in your own cars?

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:19 PM Ina Says:

I don't mind if Belz wishes to enforce its rules. What I do mind is the manner in which it is being done. Banning is for the Taliban and it is for this reason that our youth are becoming more and more disenfranchised. How different it would be if someone got up and communicated with love. However, I fear that we are no longer capable of kindness and love.

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:20 PM yankee96 Says:

this might be the best way to alleviate traffic in chasiddishe neighborhoods such as monsey,willyb and ,boro park

. the next trick is to get all the Litvishe, & Sephardic women to stop driving as well as ALL MEN under 25 and over 65 and we should all donate these cars to the liberal/progressive/democratic party

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:29 PM stamfordhilly Says:

One thing I know is that the Belzer Rebbe is extremely smart and lives very much in today's world, there must be a very good reason why he does not allow the mothers drive, and btw out of a whole congregation about 10 women drive so it seems like one can manage without it. In London they have a great public transport and all schools are local so perhaps driving is not so important.

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:34 PM yossie Says:

not sure when the charedi world will wake up from all this nonsense
no women driving
no blue shirts
no colored socks
no internet
no no and no

then they shake their head when kids are off the derech

ladies cant drive
then let the rebbe give one of his many drivers to the ladies!!!!

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 May 28, 2015 at 04:00 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
bubii Says:

BLAME THOSE THAT CREATE SITUATIONS WHERE THE NONJEWS CAN RIDICULE THE JEWS, YOU ARE ONE GIGANTIC SHOITE IF YOU DONT SEE THAT

Jewish children suffer hunger in the heilige medina and check the assets of Belz. The amount of money Belz has accumulate is obscene

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 May 28, 2015 at 04:08 PM moisha Says:

please check in sheivet haleivy from rav vosner ztl i think its cheilek 4 simen 1 regarding women driving... the gudul hador agreed to the belza ruv

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 May 28, 2015 at 04:35 PM sane Says:

How about if they put a kupka on the car roof?

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:41 PM YossiMustShveig Says:

Of course, this new gezairah is not applicable for women going to the mikveh

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 May 28, 2015 at 03:55 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
bubii Says:

BLAME THOSE THAT CREATE SITUATIONS WHERE THE NONJEWS CAN RIDICULE THE JEWS, YOU ARE ONE GIGANTIC SHOITE IF YOU DONT SEE THAT

I vowed to stay away from the website due to the frime rishis displayed. However you posting is so true . Yes I lived through the the crematorium and davened in concentration camp and davened in the Belzer Klaus. My dear bubii this is not torah this Sedom with a strajmel

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 May 28, 2015 at 04:31 PM Mazal1 Says:

Reply to #35  
moisha Says:

please check in sheivet haleivy from rav vosner ztl i think its cheilek 4 simen 1 regarding women driving... the gudul hador agreed to the belza ruv

Only in Israel nisht in hootz lauretzi

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 May 28, 2015 at 05:42 PM Rafuel Says:

In addition to the tznius, the extremely important consideration in and of itself, there are others: women are usually not good drivers, drive sloooooooooow, have poor spatial perception, take looooooooooong time to park and often take up two parking spots. Several times, when I saw a parked car encroaching into what would be available parking spot if they parked well, I squeezed my car into what is left from that parking spot, so closely to the offender that she couldn't possibly walk between our cars, much less get into hers. Why did I say "she" you may ask? Because the offender had to wait until I am done with my chore and return to my car, and invariably the perpetrator is a married woman or a girl.

So, to get to the point, maybe we also need to rethink allowing our women to drive. But here is the dilemma: if I indeed we go that way, my wife will give me a shopping list. So I am very ambivalent...

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 May 28, 2015 at 05:50 PM judith Says:

Reply to #32  
stamfordhilly Says:

One thing I know is that the Belzer Rebbe is extremely smart and lives very much in today's world, there must be a very good reason why he does not allow the mothers drive, and btw out of a whole congregation about 10 women drive so it seems like one can manage without it. In London they have a great public transport and all schools are local so perhaps driving is not so important.

So, the men shouldn't drive, either.

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 May 28, 2015 at 05:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

This is why many yungerleit are ABANDONING the chasidish lifestyle.

REALLY

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 May 28, 2015 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Der Lita Says:

Just another reason I'm glad to be a LITVAK!!!!!

Don't get so excited yet you have your own crazy rules as well

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 May 28, 2015 at 06:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
anonymous Says:

Jewish children suffer hunger in the heilige medina and check the assets of Belz. The amount of money Belz has accumulate is obscene

Totally irrelevant to the subject at the moment

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 May 28, 2015 at 07:46 PM zeide Says:

if you want to know the Halacha from a previous Poisek Hador look in Oz Nidberi from Rav Binyomin Silber Chelik Yud Gimmel Teshuva Pei. There are no other Teshuvos that I know of relating to this subject,.

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 May 28, 2015 at 07:46 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

Totally irrelevant to the subject at the moment

I knew about Belz before you dirtied your diapers. The relevancy is that Yiddishe are going hungry. Belz has tremendous assets and the "subject" should women drive, nonsense. It is AN OBSCENITY

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 May 28, 2015 at 08:02 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

Totally irrelevant to the subject at the moment

I say that Hitler ymach shmoi not only murdered Yidden in Birkenau, Majdanek and Treblinka but destroyed a hashkofo what a chusid should be and your statement confirms my assertion. The issue is whether women should drive children not whether children go hungry. You are not a chusid or a Yidd

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 May 28, 2015 at 11:44 PM stopandthink Says:

Unfortunately the people making these rules (Rebbes, the Belzer Rebbe in this case) don’t live in the same world we (their Chasidim) do.
They are driven around in luxury cars and private jets whenever they feel like it. Have they ever, even once had to run do the doctor with their children and get back home to prepare dinner? And so on…
Another point: information being blocked from Rebbes by their Gaboim who feed them selective information, Rebbes probable have no clue the tremendous resentment rules like these create within their own Chasidim.
Worse yet, the rule does not make any sense and that is exactly why it is not followed without the use of intimidation and threats, hence the threat of evicting innocent children from school. Rules like these come from ignorance and a penchant inclination for control at all costs, even if its evident for all how senseless rules like this are.
Rebbes need Gaboim who will tell it to them as it is and Rebbes need to grow up like the rest of us, in the real, harsh, cash strapped, time limited, means limited world we live in before they become leaders and make binding decision on the rest of us.

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 May 29, 2015 at 02:21 AM lazerx Says:

Belz is one of the promenent chassidic groups that seem to put an over emphasis on the externalization of being Jewish and do not seem to make any emphasis on what being a Jew is inside one's own being.

I am happy not to have a deep connection to them.

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